If work was really so fucking wonderful then nobody would resent people living on meagre unemployment benefits. It might even be seen as a noble and selfless thing – to give up the wonderful opportunity that work offers – so that another can bask in the joys of daily toil.
The truth, that now goes almost unspoken, is that hardly anyone wants to go to work. Nobody who wins the lottery really carries on working in ASDA. For those at the lower end of the jobs market work is a shit deal – poverty pay for a lifetime of monotonous and often back-breaking labour. That is why the entire apparatus of the state is now being mobilised against those who can’t find work, or worst of all don’t want it. To be unemployed, or workless, is now akin to being a criminal. And if the economy doesn’t provide enough jobs, then that is the fault of the worker, for not working hard enough.
The capitalist class regards us all as nothing more than thieving scroungers, ever ready to skive if we are given half a chance. And it is not the payment of benefits that really irks the rich – it is the refusal to put our human capital – our minds and bodies – into their service that enrages them. How dare we not work to fatten their wallets.
As wages and working conditions decline then unemployment will be seen as an ever greater sin. The Victorian workhouse principle of ‘less eligibility’ – meaning the life of somebody unemployed must be less eligible (more shit) than the life of the lowest paid worker – must be maintained. The screw is being tightened for everybody and as benefits shrink so will wages. It is more important than ever that we start to question what’s wrong with work.
An evening at the Wellcome Collection in London will be doing just that this Friday 4th September. This will form part of the free Friday Late event at the museum which will explore noise, tumult, rest and relaxation. The organiser’s say:
Fed up with work? Don’t want to work? Actually hate work? Maybe work isn’t ‘good for you’. Explore and express what’s wrong with work: record your thoughts on tape, do a video or write a post card to your boss, the Chancellor, your work mates telling them what you think. Or just start a debate with the person next to you about everything and anything that’s wrong with work.
You can tweet about what’s wrong with work using the hashtag #wrongwithwork. The Friday Late will run from 7-11pm at The Wellcome Collection, 183 Euston Road, London NW1 2BE. Nearest station Euston, for accessibility information visit their website.
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The whole work fetish thing is disturbing. You get the impression that most people in work hate every minute of it and fantasise about what they would do all day if they didn’t have to work – unfortunately working has addled their brains to such an extent that all they can conceive of doing is to lie in bed half the day while watching TV. And they then attribute this fantasy to the unemployed, hence terms like lifestyle choice; they’re envious of a lazy fantasy which they themselves invented, and so hate the unemployed for living their pathetic dream.
Only when out of work does anyone realise the free time is useless without the means to exploit it fully ie unless you can afford to doss around it isn’t happening. Only when in a crap soul destroying job can one fantasise over free time doing nothing. Slavery is alive and thriving getting ever worse to fatten their profits and lifestyles. Oppression by means of vilification ostracism to ‘normal’ society. If you become ill or disabled criminals are treated better. Disgusting times.
I’m a working single mum with rheumatoid arthritis and a back problems, I spend 5 hours a day school cleaning which is heavy back breaking work
My take on it is I’ll work til I drop, I’ll drop doing the cleaning work I hate so much and I pray I’ll drop sooner rather than later!
You’re in a job that will only make your condition deteriorate, and it doesn’t only affect your joints, but your organs as well.
Yes, I was made to work until I was in such a state that I asked to be put in a care home. I obtained some help, and managed 3 more years of work, until I absolutely couldn’t do anything.
Now I also have heart problems due to all of the stress, and I believe that also being made to work for 13 years with chronic health didn’t help my heart either. You’re not left alone to try and cope with your illness, there are constant assessments of one sort of another. I have a ‘care’ reassessment today for example, and it will be a 4 month battle again of ‘computer says no’.
I saw the government documentation for tendering to do with the health and social care act, providing ‘volunteers’. I might interest you JV. Tendering closed in May. I’m wondering after ‘computer says no’ today, whether they will have a wonderful alternative for me: ‘volunteers’. Yes, they will find a way to legally make my carers redundant, then offer me people who are claiming JSA.
I thought of being sarcy and asking them if they would like me to volunteer to provide my own care, and they can pay me for it too!
Back on topic, sorry that you’re having to keep working. You really do have to be working until you drop, so that afterwards, even walking to make a cup of tea in the kitchen or washing yourself largely becomes impossible. I never realised that there was a whole other level of sickness for me to deteriorate to. If you’re still working; you’re not there yet, and it’s plain wrong when if you’re able to rest, get the help you need, you needn’t become so dreadfully ill so quickly.
That’s true and sorry for your similar problems, and I’ve also been diagnosed with microcytic anaemia apparently it’s more common in rheumatoid arthritis sufferers, I am literally so exhausted I feel like my legs are going from under me.. I’m up at 5.45. Every weekday…
If you’re at that stage Kat, then it’s really serious. Continuing to stress your body like this will badly affect your major organs. The horrific thing, as I’ve stated above, is that claiming benefits will not provide a stress free environment for you. That said, I have to engage in continual ‘self therapy’, and you’ll need to do that to withstand any further pressure on your body.
If you are struggling at home too, the first step I would take, is to request a social services assessment of your needs. If you do crash completely, you’ll need their help and backing (although this can be stressful at times).
Sorry again for your awful circumstances. Try to rest as much as you can in between your working periods.
Take care.
Thanks sasson 1 and bernadette, your words and advice mean a lot. I’m still on tax credits, basically I just force myself to keep going because I’m literally terrified of. Being assessed under the WCA or somehow ending up signing on again, I went through the system signing on as a lone parent when things weren’t as draconian as they are now!! Sasson 1. Thanks I’ll give serious thought to your suggestions and hope both u and bernadette improve!
Kat
Can’t believe you’re working in your condition. Use Kitty Jones at ECAP for advice on ESA.
Thanks sasson 1, I’ve just read your post and will check out the link you provided.. Hope things look up for you soon as well x
Hi Kat, just like you I too have arthritis in my knee, hip and hand and I clean for a living. I work in a sports venue and suffice to say, its more like industrial type cleaning. It truly is backbreaking. Having said that, I only work 12 hours a week, claim HB and have three days to myself. Its fucking great!!!!. On my days off I mostly lie in bed, check out the Void and look for different types of work. The main thing for me is that I am not signing on. I could not cope with Idi Amin’s cruel and vindictive shit. I would end up in a bad place, so I plod on. Fuck money, I just need to learn how to grow my own food. x
bernadette – I guess you’re just dreading Universal Credit then… 😦
Worked years ago for bent insurance brokers firm repeatedly reported nat ins deductions not handed over letters coming from Glasgow tax office whole fleets of hgv’s on the road uninsured, had to issue threats of violence (and get heavies as backup to escort them to collect cash at bank for salaries two months in arrears) finally insurers closed them down. Signed on..unbelievable persecution despite them knowing full well we were all still owed two months salary hol pay etc they hadn’t had business rates for ten years of unregistered premises occupation but the threat machine immediately kicked in.. Threats of eviction cos couldn’t pay all rent due as had child at school, threats of snatching goods as two months arrears over council tax….when finally I got a decent job went in to settle up (county court judge had refused them a possession order weeks before) they had the brass face to call me into internal office demanding to know home addresses of directors! Yes I told them to fuck off loudly and go whistle bastardised. One rule for them quite different to honest working folk.
The Victorian workhouse principle of ‘less eligibility’ – meaning the life of somebody unemployed must be less eligible (more shit) than the life of the lowest paid worker – must be maintained.
Progressives of the left advocated that the status of the unemployed and poor should be no better than that of a criminal – this thinking of the left is not hard to find you can find examples germinating in Labour Party welfare policy when they were in government.
I imagine we could get by as a society with far less work – say about fifteen to twenty hours a week for everyone fit enough and not having family responsibilities which keep them at home. We have the technology to produce much more with far less labour than even fifty years ago. In this scenario, ‘work’ would be activities which aren’t essentially pleasurable but undertaken to produce necessary goods or services. So that would leave considerable time for creative and more life enhacing activities.
Skilled/unskilled labour will be made worthless by immigration and technology the unemployed will have no bargaining power.
Are you the real Priti Patel or taking the piss? I really need to know as I am in the process of writing her a very nasty letter due to the lies and fabrication she has said about me (totally untrue) on behalf of her offices when my MP wrote to her?????????
For years (& years) I’ve thought three days working/four days off seems reasonable & wished it was do-able and ‘usual’/It would pay enough to live on (without being a neuro~scientist). No guilt feelings at all (everything feels different now). Work isn’t all it’s cracked up to be unless you can make a living doing something you love and believe to have value ~ and/or have the mythical supposed t’werk/life balancing act.
The IWW (Industrial Workers of the World) promoted a work week of four hours a day for four days a week way back in the 1920s or 30s, and William Morris predicted that industrialisation would reduce the working week to merely a few hours. It’s been something like 130 years since the campaign for an eight hour day, which established the ‘norm’ of the workday we still have today. It’s about time it changed, so how about ‘A Four Hour Day for No Loss of Pay’?
Your employer dosent give a shit about you ,you are a liveing unit and if you should fall ill or die …..you will be replaced byanother liveing unit……..
I once worked for a man who saw me as a human being and obviously did give a shit about me, we are still friends and he occasionally still hires me for freelance work, but he is a rare man.
@William Fogg, I once worked for a man who said ‘how much money do you want per hour/day’ Me being shy and totally at odds on discussing money, plucked up the courage and said; I do not like to earn less that £100.00 per day’. He said ‘How about I give you £130.00 per day’. When I got to know him better, he told he was a devout Christian and believed in spreading his income appropriately. A rare man indeed.
£130 take-home? is a pretty decent pay packet. Over a 7.5 hour day you would be taking out £17.33 an hour, and trousering a take home? salary of £33,800 – not to shabby!
Come to think of it – fuck working for a take home pay of less than £130 a day!
And that guy must be rarer than hen’s teeth. Compare and contrast with workfare provider placement providers who get paid £50 a day for having a slave toil for them for jack-shit!
Havent worked in a paid job for 4 years, I do voluntary work now, when and how often I choose. The funny thing is I used to get colds, and bouts of sickness, but nothing for four years. Work where youre not in control, and it makes you ill.
This is worth a watch, especially the first guy from NHS Scotland and his discussion on good/bad work, income and its effects on mental health and well-being. One for the DWP to stick up their arse.
It also repeats on BBC Parliament (Freeview 131) – next on 06:05, Friday 4th September
Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee – Scottish Parliament: 24th June 2015
Report here:
Click to access 20150624_Public_Papers.pdf
So shit ‘jobs’ i.e any old shitty task that some knob considers a ‘job’ are bad for your health, the same shitty jobs that jobcentre work roaches and their third-party collaborators try and bully jobseekers into.
And this report is spot on in saying that the rate of Jobseekers Allowance is wholly inadequate and is damaging jobseekeers’ health and should at current rates be raised to a minimum of £110 a week.
BBC Parliament – If only we had a Scottish style Parliament!!
The ruling class still sees us proles as serfs. They feel that our lot in life is merely to serve them, to skivvy for them, to wipe their dirt boxes clean after they have had a shit; and in some cases, if any of us are hung enough, to clandestinely fuck their wives up their arses once or twice a week. The fact is we should not stand for this shit. no fucking Sir. What we should do is go down the vagabond route. Become like John Healy in the sixties, living off our wits and opting out of the rat race : We could have our own communities, small communities out in a forest or a field, where we live in tents and get by through such entrepreneurial endeavours as shoplifting and all around thievery… When we need to we can up sticks and move to a different area. Many people reading this will think that I am being both unrealistic and extreme. All that I can say is that that is patently untrue.
I, Roger, am speaking from my heart…
Roger; I’ve said for years it’s going to get to the state where ordinary folk live in camps in the hills only venturing out for foraging thieving and essential medical visits to cadfael types as NHS won’t treat us. Any of their types even seen approaching will be shot dead on sight.
Will there be hairdryers?
roger – you mean like gypsies, but without the tv crew filming the weddings?
Perhaps because constitutionally we are still legally regarded as serfs – or ‘subjects’ until a certain T Blair played about with semantics a bit and we all became ‘citizens’ instead… It still didn’t really change our legal status though.
actually according to them we are now ‘stock’
No to Slave Driving Bastards and Down with Slavery
The way forward possibly is by eschewing all the poverty traps. No big TV no anything we are caught on the bloody treadmill to serve them by. These goods aren’t helping us rather they are baubles to entice us into their stinking regime. None of us are getting out of here alive and there’s no pockets in shrouds.
When you tot up your expenses ‘big tvs’ are only a small segment of the pie chart though. Your biggest expense on, especially on benefits, is going to be food which will swallow up most of your income. The ‘big TV’ pales into insignificance.
Eating cake as instructed – some tv series are ok
“When everything you love has been stolen from you, sometimes all you have left is revenge.Sometimes, the innocent get hurt. But one by one, the guilty will pay. Nothing ever goes exactly as you expect. And mistakes are life and death. Collateral damage is inescapable.”
― Emily Thorne, Revenge tv series
And of course, if you want to imagine a fictional time when the toffs used to care about their servants, there’s always Downton Abbey…
Fellow JCP sufferer; I agree entirely. If work is so good then why not make mandatory 15 hr week which will also tie in with free nursery provision at an hourly rate of say 20.00 then job sharing can become more regular and even their own cronies won’t baulk at that as employers nat ins will be lower? That way everyone able gets the therapy we are told work provides and independence and paid fairly. Watching obviously would still apply but at a lesser rate to these ‘hard working taxpayers’ ie the only ones suffering will be them cos plenty of labour available and willing but less profits due to training requirements. Also travel to work on public transport or mileage should be tax deductible as it is for their cars so ordinary folk can still afford a sandwich at lunch time. I’ve lost count of how many I’ve seen can’t feed themselves as skint. Disgraceful.
Food, heating, energy to heat food, water bills, essential travel costs, some clothing/footwear – the licence for the big tv is probably quite far down on the list of poverty traps…
shirley – now that I look more closely at your little owl gravatar, I see it looks incredibly sad…
So would you if you were about to have to go and live the woods with only a few sticks of furniture & no hot & cold running water…
… in the woods. She’s a bit disillusioned but whoo wouldn’t be by now?
shirley – you could always tell your son it was an extended camping holiday…After all, who needs toilet paper when there are dock leaves nearby? Who needs tv drama when tv crews are filming you/”you have let them into your close-knit community”?
If you’ve read either The Road the or The Pest House, this is why I’d be less-than-keen
keen.
Got some flick called “The Road” on a USB stick – need to check it out… 😀
Read “On the Road” instead, it will open your mind FAR more.
Interstella, I’d go for the cormac Mccarthy version of the road – it might lose some of its power as a film – nornot sure it got great reviews. The book, rhough, proceed with caution.
Easier to read than that last comment though, probably…
Those who Victimise the Poor and Vulnerable are Akin to Nazis in this
Regard
shirley – I haven’t read either, but I looked them both up re their content, and I can see why you might not think it’s such a fun idea…
🙂
Even looking for work is a chore.
That says it all about your attitude to work! Why don’t you ask your God for a job which doesn’t involve actually having to do anything? … or have you already tried that and got no answer!
Elbow Grease; I would rather put my bet on the omnipotent God than grovel to fucking Idi Amin Smith!!!!!!!
Bernadette – Yes, IDS just THINKS he’s God!
Bernadette – Fortunately those are not the only two options!
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I’m sorry but I have been out of work and in work and I would much prefer to be in work than out. I have suffered the humiliation of having to sign on each and every fortnight and it’s not nice but unfortunately people in this country take the piss and think they our owed something what happened to the good old English back bone that’s what I want to know
Andy – if you only had to sign on each and every fortnight you were getting off lightly. Consider the humiliation the unemployed suffer now..and some of us are Scottish and like the unemployed English have plenty of backbone.
What happened to the good old English back bone …
Behold food, good to eat, sufficient for my hunger!
unfortunately people in this country take the piss and think they our owed something
When I left school I started work 2 weeks later, most of the jobs I got first because of my interests, rather than qualifications, so I was good at them.
For the first 20 years I didn’t have to even think about benefits, even when swapping jobs.
I didn’t become stupid, lazy, or lose my ‘work ethic’ a few years ago, so as far as I’m concerned the country owes me a living.
you was lucky to have all that work and never needed the dole, as well as poor standard of living yes even five years ago, it destroyed your work ethic not because you wilfully didn’t want to work, but because the sheer number of times you tried and failed; it simply made looking for work absolutely pointless. Because one more rejection would kill you inside. I don’t like to think that someone was starving or extradited informally from society; just because there isn’t enough paid or now unpaid work to go around. It’s not fair and it is not right to allow someone to suffer on any occasion, least of all purposely and in such a peevish way.
Can I make sure that I haven’t misunderstood you?….. Are you saying that because you worked for the 20 years after leaving school, you think society owes you a living for the rest of your life?
the State owes us all a living.
research ‘how the English became a nation of landless peasants’
bollocks
yes they’ve sold off our jobs so few now have the opp of getting a decent income…some people have been benefactors of the property price boom and are holding many others to ransom by cause of their luck, not hard work @ all…
they fight desperately to keep their portfolio’s, by disparaging/crushing any attempts to get the truth out there…they’re claim to be socialist but are actually tory trojans….they keep their seats and constituencies sweet (strongholds) so as to hold onto power some deluded greedy other’s call the uk a democracy…which is why labour chase the tory tails…
http://wingsoverscotland.com/we-dont-not-need-no-education/ the uk demographic mean that labour can never get into power unless they do..labour are never going to make inroads into tory seats unless they do betray the precarious classes….so they try to convince the precarious classes they’re for them, when there is no way they can be for the rich and the poor @ the same time…
Mr. Bollocks – You’re a genius! That means EVERYBODY can stop working right now! Fuck work, nobody needs it.
Thanks to computerisation, automation and robotics most people don’t have to ‘work’ anymore.
BTA – Well said.
Fellow – You said “Well said” very well 😉
BTA, To fucking right, I never asked to be born!!!!!
I’m sure you think that if someone chooses to stay on benefits, rather than work that society doesn’t owe them a living.
So as I’m prepared to work for the rest of my life, yes it does, ‘this society’ doesn’t allow me to print my own notes!
AFM – Sorry, I missed your reply. If you work until retirement age then the question of society owing you a living doesn’t arise. Society should take care of the young, the old, the sick, and those who society itself has failed. Fellows who spend half the night posting messages on web sites, get up at lunchtime and then unashamedly lie about how they’re searching for jobs are not in any of those four categories.
AFM – Well said.
What stunning wit and wisdom! You’re on a roll!
Check out the anarco-punk band CRASS – Do they owe us a living? Course they fucking do. Some great music back in the 1980s. This band blended class war and music that inspired many others to follow.
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not sure, the button’s still there (I can still see it anyway)
I know I have to work, and I try and do the job properly. I may not always enjoy what I do but that’s life. What I really dislike is being badly paid – a fraction of my co-workers – and being unable to find anything but casual and irregular work (I am over 60 – which maybe explains it). Living like a rat in poverty and working is no fun. But for many this new normal has been quite a shock. No holidays, no social life, no days out, no pocket money and so on. The old days you worked hard, you got paid properly for it, you saved something, you bought stuff, you paid the bills and you planned for a holiday or thought about getting a new car or moving to a better house. Not any more. Oh, for some,that life goes on, I admit. But for many it does not. For us, permanent recession and austerity goes on and on.
Ah well Lee that was how it used to work back when the unions had some power. Witch Thatcher put paid to that. Back then everyone had pride and self respect. To pay poverty wages needs stopping although I don’t believe the national wage will help many. Those employers used to slave labour will apply for free labour of job centres or whatever is left then, making many staff redundant or less hours due to rationalisation or whatever. I’ve seen it in poundland poor sods sweeping floors etc it’d be interesting knowing how A4e etc are paid to set up proper training courses giving folk long term training and decent jobs at the end of it all. Time was plumbers etc were time served City and Guilds trained not some three weeks part time enforced course takers. Plenty of intelligence out there just waiting to be treated with respect and dignity.
The back bone bust working 40 hours a week for minimum wage ,
ARE YOU DISABLED, OR KNOW SOMEONE THAT IS?.
HAVE YOU BEEN AFFECTED BY THE GOVERNMENTS CUTS?.
Then please take note and read.
The “United Nations” will be sending a ‘Special Rapporteur’ to Britain in the non to distant future.
The ‘Rapporteur’ will be here to establish whether ‘Human Rights’ violations have taken place, which we know have.
The United Nations have contacted a consortium group known as:
“Inclusion Scotland”. Here are their contact details:
Telephone: 0131 281 0860
Typetalk calls welcome
**** Email: info@inclusionscotland.org ****
Edinburgh Office (Registered Office):
Inclusion Scotland
4th Floor Hayweight House
23 Lauriston Street
Edinburgh
EH3 9DQ
I STRONGLY SUGGEST:
You all write out an email detailing you own stories and send it to the email address above*. This will allow Inclusion Scotland to gather more evidence that can be presented to the UN Rapporteur.
This is your time to act, do not waste this opportunity.
……….NICE WORK AGES, KEEP THE PRESSURE UP MY FRIEND
Just sent three emails and a 280 page dossier……….
Geoff Reynolds.
Here is the direct contact for the UN.
****** Direct Address for UN rapporteur is : Catalina Devandas AguilarSpecial rapporteur on the rights of persons with disabilities
Address: OHCHR-UNOG; CH-1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland
Email: sr.disability@ohchr.org ********
Regards Ages
Contacted Geneva around 6 months ago my friend, thank you for the link, i appreciate your concern.
Thank you again, Ages.
Ages: that’s great but what about us ex pats marooned in England? Will they consider submissions from the wastelands?
Eating cake as instructed.
The UN are investigating the UK as a whole. It was just that “Inclusion Scotland” had a confirmed contact with the UN, hence the info given.
I have since posted a direct contact above. Here it is too: Email: sr.disability@ohchr.org
Hope this helps.
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Alienated wage labour that is
As Morrissey said, work is a four letter word. Work shouldn’t be about drudgery but about enrichment. I studied for a degree then went on to do a masters only to stand manning a gate for 12 hours a day as a so called security guard working “self-employed” for a pittance in one of the most expensive cities in the world. This drove me to depression. Why are only some people entitled to live a fulfilling life? How can that be?
If you work 60 hours a week as I did, but can barely afford the rent and to put food on the table, what s the fucking point? There are many who think like me. This is not how it ought to be but it is, You either accept a dead end job through coercion or you are demonzised for resisting your wage slavery. I was poor and had no peace of mind when I worked, and now have a relative peace of mind because I don’t.
It was the nature of my work that made me mentally ill and hence incapable of work. How will my demonization make me better? Creative thinkers are not welcome in this society only robots. I refuse to be a robot which is why I don’t fit in.
But it’s more than that. I’m incapable, mentally, of being a robot. I’ve had a life, I’ve travelled and lived but I am a nobody in somebody’s eyes and that somebody is a greater than me as far as the public is concerned. You see, we might blame the politician’s but ultimately, we only get the politician’s we deserve.
Why didn’t you go for a job with the air ambulance as a pilot flying helicopters, like Wills, surely that would have been a lot more ‘fulfilling’?
should be ‘job’… 😉
more like a fucking ‘jolly jape’ 😀
Why don’t you fuck off?
As someone said they want us smart enough to do the work and dumb enough to accept poverty wages, no healthcare, work till we drop, save off poverty wages to have a float when we are ill. They want human robots. They see themselves as a superior faction of capitalists and workers as flesh and bones to be exploited to the maximum. A nation of masters and slaves, something has to give. They are a ruthless bunch of plutocrats determined to create massive wealth for themselves and drive the rest of us to a precarious existence.
Indeed.Well said.
I actually like working, only thing is no one will offer me paid employment to do it, sack that even free work they would rather have someone else. I Think what is the best thing, is we all find what we were made for and have realistic expectations for ill and disabled people, and stop harassing people, when even if they can work and want to work, have realist expectations on whether they will get work, or like me being someone who no one wants to employ. Excepting for free, I can’t live on nothing and you can’t work and live on £20 a week and turn up to work bright eyed and bushy tailed everyday when you are half-staved and worn out just by being hungry. Work then will definitely make you ill, or as they do now, Squeeze as much work out of you by setting ridiculous targets on as little as possible. We all, expect the sick and disabled all have a talent and can be a job, that at least doesn’t make us ill, we are all made of different stuff, and if so many people hate their jobs, there is very few who are in the right one. That makes a weak and inefficient economy if nothing else. Little do the people care at the top as long as they are doing fine and rolls of money keep flooding in, what do they care, they aren’t hungry or living in damp and cold homes, dread getting up to their job everyday, or no job at all. Facing another hopeless day, doing paid work, unpaid work or caring for someone at home, you’ll find that most people in this country do some sort of work they just aren’t part of the economic structure. Do they get praise for that, for working but living on so little, by helping other people in the country so they can work and help the economy. No, they don’t, they get called lazy scroungers instead. That’s the state of our pitiful country. Work hating, as yes people have a right to hate work these days, as how they are treated when they do. I want change and it really, really is time things changed.
Well said, Maria.
I actually like working, only thing is no one will offer me paid employment to do it, sack that even free work they would rather have someone else.
Yep, I’ve been investigating lately, you can’t even get unpaid work now. It has to be done through a provider/parasite, where they get paid but you don’t. You couldn’t make it up!
Yeah, you can’t even do voluntary work ‘on-the-side’ now without the jokecentre finding out – it all has to go ‘through the books’ now so to speak, so that the jokecentre can use it against you/a private ‘provider’ can cream off a profit. No such thing as voluntary voluntary work any more in that you just like volunteer somewhere without being caught in a bureaucratic nightmare and some fuckers trying to make a quick buck. An what ever you are volunteering to do the jokecentre will sure as hell twist it and distort it fit their own purposes, instigate a sanction whatever. It is a fucking disgrace that jobseekers can’t genuinely volunteer without the jobcentre being on their back. The jokecentre are the biggest handicap in trying to get back into work. The won’t to keep you stuck in their trap. They are like a cat playing with a mouse – releasing it, then quickly catching it again. The jokecentre are like a farmer who kicks his cows in the legs and then mocks then and keeps kicking them as they try to get back up on their feet. Fuck the jokecentre and their third-party collaborators.
We all do some kind of ‘work’ even without realising it. Even commenting on a blog is a form of ‘work’ since it is providing ‘user-driven content’ for readers consumption. And all for free. If you provide content on a commercial basis you get paid!
Yeah, it’s like the ‘hard-working taxpayers’ who read this blog just so that they can see red then complain as they assume that the blog is written entirely by ‘benefit scroungers’ lol 😀
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so no victim’s should protest, others should protest for them/on their behalf…?? that way the masters get paid and control labour…wot the only reward for work is money and harvesting the glucose of others for money…the discussion here is working for monetary income to pay the bills and the exploitation by others so we pay their bills and so as we are unable to pay ours own bills… http://tlio.org.uk/welfare-reform-is-ending-the-bribe-for-the-theft-of-our-land/
OBD – We have an unfinished discussion……
obd – Please do what Fen Tiger advised in a previous post, and ignore Elbow Grease.
Why are you afraid of words?
f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzsOOLIsZ-U
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Andy Burnham is being interviewed on the BBC News Channel at the moment in a moving car, and the interviewer is DRIVING the car. How the fuck can anyone concentrate on driving a car whilst driving a car through busy traffic. Un-fucking-believable! If Joe or Josephine public tried this on the plod would try and get them on a ‘dangerous driving’ charge.
How the fuck can anyone concentrate on interviewing a Labour leadership contender whilst driving a car through busy traffic?
Because Andy Burnham is always going to trot out the same crap no matter what questions he’s asked, so what the interviewer asks is irrelevant.
It was an automatic, so a nice and smooth ride; it’s not like Burnham would be driven about in a car in a ‘boy racer’ manual car with a clutch and gearbox to contend with. It was funny when Burnham left the car and he complimented the driver on his smooth driving skills: “I bet you passed your test first time”, “Yes, I did indeed”. Yeah, bet he fucking did – in an automatic cos he could never figure out how to work a clutch and a gearbox! lol Burnham is a fucking knobhead!
And he looks like a fucking werewolf! At least we found out that he doesn’t wear mascara. And he leave manual cars to the proles!
This Chris Mason fucker is still at it: “It is an electric, automatic car which I am not quite used to”…. 😉 Today, he has picked up Liz Kendall. Liz had to be reminded to put on her seat belt: “The seat belt is over there, Liz”, just before some 200 decibel alarm went off. Seriously, why the fuck can nobody remember to put their fucking seat-belt on. Those fucking in-car seatbelt unfastened alarms must have cost the plod a fortune in spot penalties. And as a former driving examiner I can tell you that forgetting to put on their seat-belt is the most common mistake L-drivers make… we won’t let on… 😉 And, only recently I witnessed a guy sitting what must have been his bus test – he made a right turn, and as he turned the corner the indicator didn’t cancel, watched him disappear a mile up the road with the indicator flashing ; another common mistake – forgetting to cancel indicators especially when merging for instance onto a dual carriageway. I could go on and on, but will stop there…
What the fuck is Victoria Derbyshire and the BBC playing at providing a free taxi service to the Labour leadership contenders? Hardly had a fare all morning 😦 Good do with the business 🙂
Is Jeremy Corbyn going to get picked up, or is he going to do the ‘green’ thing and walk or cycle?
lol Jez has told the BBC to FUCK OFF!! Corbyn is having his meeting in a cafe in Finsbury Park 😀 Wonder if Jez will be expected to pick up the tab 😀
Nice one, Jez! You don’t want to be seen like some sort of CLASS TRAITOR swanning around in a flash electric automatic car, do you? 😉
Nice one, innit 😀
Even those I know who have jobs all fucking hate it. All of them are desperately hoping to reduce their hours, or are praying for redundancy or early retirement. My sister took early retirement this year at age 50, her partner is taking voluntary redundancy next year. My brother took early retirement from a highly paid management position in the local Council & is very happy now as it was effecting his health. My Ex only works 3 days a week but still complains that shes sick of it, even though she gets over £300 p/w.
Of course they fucking do!
“Look out kids, they keep it all hid, twenty y years of schooling and they put you on the day shift”
“FRIENDLY BANK?”
…..this is the thin end of the wedge….
…….On Wednesday last August 26th 2015 in the town of Kells County Meath another Irish family was Evicted from their family home for the “heinous crime” of not being able to pay what a Bank said they had to pay!
The family involved consisted of a Mother, a Father who is blind and their ten-year old son, there was no warning on the day or any day previous that the eviction was due to take place, as a result the mother was dragged out of her home in her night clothes, the father was taken out in his bare feet….
In 2015 in Ireland, this is what we have degenerated into, private security hired by the Courts, doing the nasty, dirty work on behalf of the Banks. The same Banks that we the taxpayers of Ireland have bailed out to the tune of €64 Billion at least. We are presented, on a daily basis with financial news from around the world, China, America, Russia, Japan, they speak now, not in Millions….not in Billions…..but in Trillions! do you even know how many zero’s there are in 1 Trillion…do you care! Certainly this family in Kells, the very people we swear in our Constitution to protect, and certainly less fortunate than most of us…I can tell you, trillions means absolutely nothing to them, it’s a word which may never appear in their vocabulary.
Every single Irish Man and Woman should hang their head in shame today for this is the result of impotent Politicians, failed policies and criminal, unregulated Banks.
There is much more of this to come, but our politicians would rather speak of a recovering economy, a rising tide that supposedly raises all boats!
This is the underbelly of a failed system, a failed government, a failed judiciary and criminal bankers.
I am so ashamed, shame on all of us, shame on Ireland, this is another dark day in our history!
http://awaken-longford.com/2015/08/28/harsh-reality-of-eviction-in-ireland-2015/
“Questions relating to the outcomes of appeals on infringement of human rights issues”
…………..eat your heart out JUDGE MARK ROWLAND.
From: shah
16 August 2015
Dear Her Majesty’s Courts and the Tribunals Service,
I have some queries regarding the appeals in Upper Tribunal for FLR
M LTR applications that were processed in-country between July 2012
to July 2015.
I want to gain information about the cases where the applicant was
successful in the First-Tier Tribunal but then the Home Office
appealed to the Upper Tribunal against that decision.
1. I want to know in how many of the relevant cases was the
permission by Home Office to appeal to the Upper tribunal accepted
or rejected by the First Tier Tribunal or Upper Tribunal?
2. How long on average did it take for the First Tier Tribunal
judge or Upper Tribunal Judge to grant or refuse the permission
after the Home Office application for permission to appeal to the
Upper Tribunal was made?
3. For the relevant cases , if the permission to appeal to the
Upper Tribunal was accepted by either of the Tribunal’s judges, how
long was the average waiting time from that date to the hearing
date or decision date or both?
4. If the Home Office was permitted to appeal to the Upper
Tribunal, in how many of the relevant cases was the original
decision to allow the appeal of the applicant by the First Tier
Tribunal overturned by the Upper Tribunal and in how many cases not
overturned? For the above, I want to know the statistics of the
Upper Tribunal decisions for all the relevant appeal cases and also
specifically the cases where the appeal in the first place was
allowed by the First Tier Tribunal based on Article 8 of ECHR?
5. I also want to gain more information about the relevant cases
where the Upper Tribunal dismissed the appeal of the Home Office.
How many were such cases and how long was the waiting time from the
date of the decision to the grant of visa for such cases?
If you can kind furnish the details of the queries, it would be
very much appreciated.
Yours faithfully,
Shah Khan
Link to this
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/upper_tribunal_appeal_outcomes_f#incoming-696776
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http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/1327913-stv-poll-scots-would-vote-yes-if-a-second-referendum-were-held-now/
…about the same as some of the polls before the referendum then!
I love my overnight shelf-stacking job in Asda 🙂 I wouldn’t give it up for all the money in the world 😀
I’m not sure if you’re joking, but when I had a shelf stacking (and till) job in Sainsbury’s I DID enjoy it.
“SEEMS LIKE A STRAIGHTFORWARD, EASY QUESTION TO ME”
From: Trudy Baddams
28 August 2015
Dear Department for Work and Pensions,
Can you please tell me (not in table form) just statistics how many
jsa claimants have died after being moved from ESA during the years
of 2013 – 2015 or any part thereof
Yours faithfully,
trudy
Link to this
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_many_jsa_claimants_have_died#incoming-699660
Dear Mr Sparks,
Thank you for your Freedom of Information request received on 11/8/15. You
asked:
Could you please provide the following information
The percentage of current DLA claimants, who, on conversion to PiP,
were either reduced in their claims or were stopped from claiming ?
Please could you provide the data based on the companies who
carried out the assessments ?
ie) To allow comparison between the assessing companies.
I have interpreted the question as the percentage of DLA claimants that had
an unsuccessful claim to PIP, as no DLA claimant will be “stopped” from
claiming PIP.
I can confirm that the Department holds the information you are seeking.
However, Section 22 of the Freedom of Information Act exempts this
information from disclosure. This is because the information is intended for
publication at a future date.
……………………….AFTER WE HAVE DEDUCTED THE NUMBER OF CLIENTS THAT WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY MURDERED
The number of people working zero-hours contracts has increased by a fifth in the last twelve months. So it seems work will become an even bigger problem for more and more people in the years to come.
Link to the DM article covering the story here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3219469/Number-people-zero-hours-contracts-jumps-fifth-year-40-want-work-more.html?
As an aside, here is a comment from “William”, who sees to be a bit of a regular troll. Nightmare future, or a tory’s wet dream?
“This is the future of work. Imagine, it’s 2 AM and you’re fast asleep, and someone needs a job of work done quickly and cheaply. The employer logs onto the government’s jobs and benefits portal (Universal Jobmatch), finds someone who is local, and gets their details. In an instant you receive a text telling you to attend the Job-Lot Warehouse a mile away; failure to attend and accept the work will result in an immediate benefit sanction of at least 13 weeks. This is how it will be in a few years’ time – a fully integrated, 24 hours a day work and benefits system, designed to give maximum flexibility and benefit to wealth creators, and instil strict discipline and oversight over benefit claimants.”
failure to attend and accept the work will result in an immediate benefit sanction of at least 13 weeks.
Well they can get that right up them then straight away! 😀
Should that not be – Accept the work and failure to attend will result in an immediate benefit sanction of at least 13 weeks.
I WANT IT IN WRITTEN FIRST.
Writing the rules on headed paper is not that difficult so why put it on any scrap of paper.
Fuck the dole, fuck conditionality, time now to introduce a Citizens Guaranteed Basic Income.
If work was so great the Rich would do it.
DWP again refuses to release data on disability benefits using the same excuse as before
Independent – 2nd Sep 2015
The Department for Work and Pensions has again refused to release data about the impact of changes to the disability benefit system after a request under the Freedom of Information Act.
Last week the DWP was forced to reveal how many people had died shortly after being found fit to work by disability tests.
Ministers and officials had resisted the demand for months and only accepted it after a warning from the Information Commissioner and a campaign that went all the way to Parliament.
But on Tuesday DWP officials refused another request for basic information about disability benefits using the same “Section 22” exemption it had tried to use before.
The Department had been asked under the Freedom of Information Act to disclose how many Disability Living Allowance claimants had been made worse off after being moved onto the new Personal Independence Payment benefit.
The Department refused the request, made by a user of the WhatDoTheyKnow website, a tool which helps people scrutinise the Government’s record.
The reason given for rejecting the request is identical to that given in the case of the death statistics – under section 22 of the Act, data which officials say is reserved for future publication can be blocked from release.
The Department also previously stalled on responding to the request based on the fact that the person who made it had initially used a pseudonym.
Read More:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-again-refuses-to-release-data-on-disability-benefits-using-the-same-excuse-as-before-10483144.html
“”””Mr Duncan Smith at one point caused confusion when he told Labour MP Debbie Abraham in Parliament that the stats did not exist.
“She knows very well that the department does not collate numbers on people in that circumstance,” he told her in Parliament.”””””
Read this
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/09/the-great-wealth-transfer-to-the-london-elite/
annos
yep that’s the picture…there is no hope for or of uk democracy now…same as there is no such autonomous party as scottish labour…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34128939
‘It is thought to be the first poll to show a majority for “Yes” among all those questioned….’ and ‘ A Scottish Labour spokesman said that the party, under the new leadership of Kezia Dugdale, was changing.
He added: “We want people to take another look at Scottish Labour.
“But we know it’s too early to be asking people for their votes.
“Over the coming months, we will put Labour’s values first and we will focus on the things that matter in people’s lives – like the standards in our schools and our hospitals.” LOL 🙂
how you all online if sanctioned
I’m not sanctioned, & there are free computers in the library, but I’m using my phone
You don’t have to be sanctioned to work here.
how you all online if sanctioned
I don’t think you understand the new “reformed” benefit system. Even if you are sanctioned you don’t get the option to go offline and not bother jobsearching 24/7.
Cameron, stop playing politics with peoples’ lives and let the Syrians in you heartless inhuman bastard.
we are full you tree hugger
leftie purple haired army boot wearing tree hugger
leftie bald headed slipper wearing tree hugger, if you please.
are we fuck
What I see on here is people being improperly sanctioned,payments late,payments denied,food banks,hunger,people being prosecuted for stealing food,people being evicted. These are ‘our people’. Is the same treatment going to be meted out to any migrants,refugees,whatever?
Just asking! Justin(upper 6th form Westminster,son of Politrickin,name Flamethrower or such,no need for you to reply. I dare say you will be pontificating to me soon from your £100k+ pulpit soon) I know! For raising the question…’I’m racist’,xenophobe.
Just wanna see everyone treated equal,that’s all. And now,treated abominably courtesy of the Nazi Wolf,IDS
It’s all purely academic as there are no bloody jobs anyway!
Am luvin Jon Snow and Lindsey Hilton reportin on all the wrongs dun. Friend worked as waiter at one of Islington Chamapagne Socialist party not so long ago. Employed on Zero Hours.
All at the Trough. All interbreeding. ‘These'(Sleeze/Disease?)or the Tories? Wottachoice!
Of course not all jobs are bad-those who like their jobs a lot, are paid highly by others or do a very useful job genuinely benefit from it, but most people are being treated like crap, and the trade unions can no longer do their job because of Thatcher.
Read down in link, things never change!
http://sites.scran.ac.uk/redclyde/redclyde/rcimages.html
annos
labour have been fighting for the poor for 100yrs…perhaps it should have read fighting to own the poor for a 100yrs…
ESA is in chaos. Admin nightmare. How do we stall that even more !!!
Is a questionnaire a form !!! Is that question impossible to answer !!! Sign terms & conditions for HealthCare Professionals to over ride everything & advise !!! The questionnaire is signed Daffy Duck & the Form is signed by Iain Duncan Smith & to make it easy it is in green biro pen. You never said fill the thing out correctly just fill in the form. It`s not my fault I filled it out wrong & by the 10th form sent they say Do you need help with that form because it seems you are not very good at filling out forms. 15 forms for a scam.
2 years later.
“Today’s slavery focuses on big profits and cheap lives. It is not about owning people like before, but about using them as completely disposable tools for making money.”
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/there-are-more-slaves-today-any-time-human-history
Workfare = Slavery.
Everyone working seems to be funded by the DWP in Tax Credit – Top Ups – Child benefit & so many others. Works Pays to be topped up by the DWP.
So the DWP wage bill is so much higher than when the disabled drained it.
DWP DISABILITY HATE CRIMES.
MAXIMUS DISABILITY HATE CRIMES.
ATOS DISABILITY HATE CRIMES.
JOBCENTRE DISABILITY HATE CRIMES.
Dodgy Dave Disability Hate crimes.
Where`s Iain gone? IDS is somewhere doing disability hate crimes.g
Atos & Maximus you do not own the Disability Hate Crime Law. The WCA tells us that.
So ou are not disabled & are fit for work. Also you can not now use the Disability Hate crime Law because Maximus says you are not disabled.
The only thing that works is the Spanner.
anyone know if attending jobs fairs are mandatory ?? (how will jobcentre know if you attend ?)
pegasus – It’s a good idea to attend, since the jobcentreminus staff are usually there too, and writing down the names of everyone who attends (ie is excused sanction). They also tend to come up to you and ask you “how are you getting on?” and you tell them which employers you’ve handed cvs to or spoken to etc. Obviously if travel costs are expensive you could argue that you werent going to attend a particular one but it would be best to tell them in advance if that was the case. If they want you to attend a particular one, ask them if its a jobseeker’s direction by them that you attend it ie will you be sanctioned for not attending. But if there are no travel costs to attend it ie “no excuse”, their eyes might narrow as they get you in their sights….
PS – And even if there ARE travel costs, their eyes might still narrow…
PPS – Sometimes they’ve even got their own “stall”, for prospective jobcentreminus advisors…
Sometimes at signing on they just casually pass you at badly photocopied sheet mentioning a jobs fair on it without saying anything. But the next time you sign on they pull you up and give you the third degree accusing you of not attending as you insist you were damn well there… 😉 If they pull you up and you ‘fess up to not attending especially if there is no excuse they will most likely try for a sanction.
Better just to go if there is ‘no excuse’, have a look around so you know what is there, chat to a few ’employers’ and let your presence be known to the jobcentre staff, but don’t get too ‘engaged’ so you have stuff the jobcentre can ‘follow up’ on. It is like everything else to do with the jobcentre, fuck all to do with jobs, just trying for a sanction.
Just play the jobcentre at their own fucking game… 😉
PS – If its any consolation, you can pick up a few freebies if there are any proper employers there, eg pens with their logos on them, stick-on furry “bugs” etc. I even got a tape measure from a housing association – presumably to measure room size! I also won a competition to guess which type of wood sample a house builder had on their table – the prize was a fun-size packet of gummy sweets! The jar of them was still quite full in the afternoon – some people just don’t make the effort!
That U? SuperTed?. Or, Smelly Tramp! lol.
Tickety – Where IS Superted? He and Landless Peasant were due to report back to this blog months ago?
Attending jobs fairs are not mandatory if they ask you to do so at the jobcentre minus. They can only suggest that you go along to one.
I went to a career’s fair a few weeks back being held at my local joke centre and walked out after barely five minutes because there was NOT one proper, direct employer at the event. All there was trying to promote jobs were a dozen half-rate employers exploiting the event just to gain people’s CVs and application forms and nothing else.
One of me mates was told to attend a ‘jobs fair’ at workfare provider Ingeus. She was also told to ‘dress smart’. Ingeus refused to give her any money to buy smart clothes. When she arrived there was not one employer there – only someone (she thinks an Ingeus adviser) from a different office sat in a corner pretending to be interviewing for a call centre job. Think it was just a way for Ingeus to wheedle out more information from their ‘customers’. Afterwards, she said: “Wot a waste of time, wish I had just worn me leggings.” 🙂
Does Bill Turnbull dye his hair?
Does George Osborne dye his hair?
Do bears shit in the woods?
Is the Pope a Catholic?
Does Paul McCartney dye his hair?
Do bears shit in the woods?
Is the Pope a Catholic?
Hi everyone – please have a quick look at my last post!
I think that you may find it interesting (and hopefully a bit entertaining!) It is the ‘final’ one of 3 posts regarding what ‘could’ happen to Britain if we do not ‘get rid’ of the Tories. The ‘last’ one is in reference to what ‘may’ happen if they again win a General Election in 2020. It could be dreadful!
These can all be found at the end of the previous article on here – ‘How the DWP is trying to hide even more faked stories’
Many thanks and I hope that you enjoy reading it all! – paul
Hi paul – I’ve now read all your posts covering the next five years as imagined/predicted by you – Highly amusing and nicely detailed- you have quite an imagination, and you’ve composed it so well – makes “Lord” Jeffrey Archer seem boring. If I was Prime Minister I would give you a peerage!
PS I wonder where “Lady” Michelle Mone will be in 5 years time…will she be “under” David Cameron?
Fellow JCP Sufferer/Customer – Thank you for your kind comments. It took hours and hours to write out, – and it was complicated, but I really enjoyed doing it. Pleased to hear that you also found it amusing – I did’nt want it all to be doom & gloom! I may change my job from looking after pigs to become a writer instead!! I The House of Lords awaits! : )
Number 10 Downing Street is full of rich pigs with their mouths in the money trough. Never mind the people who voted them in, whether they be employed, un-employed, homeless, whomever; as long as it’s the ‘I’m alright jack’ mentality from the tory twats we are all fucked into a downward spiral into ever deeper country debt and lack of decent jobs.
paul
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-tory-generation/
Dig in, readers. You’ve got a LOT of Conservative government coming.’
labour have lurched to the right corbyn cannot change this, as uk demographics are against him…the only chance labour have of winning is if the uk adopts federalism, within ie winning a northern federal region and/or city federal regions…lab should have backed indyscot, to stand any chance of winning power r.uk…
ps lab should have backed indyscot, to stand any chance of winning power r.uk… sorry that’s wrong, imv labour are finished…
OBD – Why don’t we give Corbyn a chance and see if he can transform the political landscape? Maybe he will fail, and maybe he won’t. Why are you condemning him and the countless real Labour supporters who have been waiting decades for this, before the movement has even got started? Why this obsessive negativity?
Answer this – If you live in England and you could vote for a Corbyn-led Labour party at the next election, would you?
el
posting isn’t like in a normal conversation, for a start NVC is missing, one has to be honest and sincere and imo you’re not, other posters may have different ideas…i see you as a mask(ing-ed) troll…fellow alluded to this as a cloak….i have to respond to let you know…ie you have a gross proclivity to insult insult insult others…you have my opinions in my posts, and much irrefutable fact…
Elbow grease has nothing else better to do other than try to insult the rest of us on here with cheap words. It (tory troll) is only trying to gain a reaction on here as the part-time work it does, cleaning out shit-blocked toilets, is only on Mondays
Fen – What’s wrong with working as a part-time cleaner? I bet you’re one of the first to complain if you see a dirty public toilet. Somebody has to clean up the shit you leave behind in your life, but you’re too fucking ignorant to understand that. Grow up!
I have never ever used a public toilet in my life and I never will. If I need to visit the kharzi – before going into town or going further afield for the day- , I only ever do so AT home and nowhere else. AND I FUCKING CLEAN THE TOILET USING BLEACH EVERY DAY.
Don’t call me fucking ignorant when you don’t even know me or anything about me before you go making dumb accusations. I feel that you have spent your life sniffing glue, or worse, inhaling the smell of rotten eggs that come from public toilets.
You ever visit my town and I know about it, I will knock your fucking block off.
Yeah, and where do you think your shit goes after it’s gone down your lovely clean toilet, and who deals with the sewers and the treatment plants? Fucking CLEANERS, that’s who! So I’ll ask you again – What’s wrong with working as a part-time cleaner?
…and if you expect us to believe that you’ve NEVER IN YOUR LIFE used a public toilet then I say you are a fucking liar. What did you do at school, piss on the floor?
When I was with Working Links I noticed that all the staff used to wait until they came into work to do a shit 😀 The bogs stank to high heaven first thing in the morning 😀 Not to mention the shit that was only smeared on the bogs and the bog walls 😀
* also smeared
Obviously they need to employ some cleaners! It’s a shame that some other people on this site seem to think there’s something wrong with being a cleaner.
To the small-minded little twat with the big mouth and no brains elbow grease. As I have said before, you don’t even know me or anything about me, so stop spouting your fat mouth off when you claim that –
”and if you expect us to believe that you’ve NEVER IN YOUR LIFE used a public toilet then I say you are a fucking liar. What did you do at school, piss on the floor?”
GET A FUCKING LIFE YOU STUPID LITTLE TORY SUPPORTING TROLL, YOU CAN’T EVEN PROVE THAT STATEMENT OF YOURS IS TRUE OR NOT. I HAVE NEVER USED A PUBLIC TOILET EVER IN MY LIFE. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY FUCKING NEED TO AS I AM QUITE CAPABLE UNLIKE YOU WHO HAVE CLEARLY GOT AN OBSESSION AND FETISH ABOUT PUBLIC TOILETS. CHANGE THE FUCKING SUBJECT AND STOP GOING ON ABOUT FUCKING TOILETS YOU FUCKING FREAK TROLL.
SEWER WASTE TREATMENT PLANTS USE AUTOMATIC EQUIPMENT AND ENGINEERS TO TREAT THE SHIT FROM YOUR SMELLY BACKSIDE, NOT AN ARMY OF UNDER-PAID LITTLE CLEANERS LIKE YOU ALL WITH MOPS AND BUCKETS SWILLING THROUGH THE SHITY WATER.
STOP LIVING IN THE 17TH CENTURY WHERE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WERE ONCE EMPLOYED TO CLEAN THE STREETS OF FOUL WATER USING ONLY BUCKETS AND MOPS.
We have NEVER IN OUR LIVES used a public toilet – we shit in the woods 😀
At least guys have urinals… they don’t have to sit down for both a piss and a shit 😦 … oh, there I go talking about toilets again 🙂 Every time I have to use a public toilet I end up getting raped and have to crawl the 200 miles home…
Jobcentre sent me on a ‘course’ on the Moon, and the Moon is like 50 miles away with no buses… and in a space-dust factory with no toilet… and because I live in a tree house they said they wouldn’t pay for any tampons, so I had to crawl all the way home, and honey monster would jump out from a bush and rape me.
Yes, always a good idea to cover one`s tracks – Wouldn’t you say? EB.
OBD – “one has to be honest and sincere and imo you’re not”
Can you tell me just ONE instance when you think I have not been honest and sincere (except in sarcasm or jest)?
OBD – You’ve accused me of dishonesty, but you haven’t got the integrity to either justify it or apologise. I will answer ANY question and justify ANYTHING I’ve said. Your attitude is pathetic and infantile.
el ok justify this ‘OBD – Why don’t we give Corbyn a chance and see if he can transform the political landscape? Maybe he will fail, and maybe he won’t. Why are you condemning him and the countless real Labour supporters who have been waiting decades for this, before the movement has even got started? Why this obsessive negativity?
Answer this – If you live in England and you could vote for a Corbyn-led Labour party at the next election, would you? i await your answers….
Errrmmmm…… They’re ALL questions! How the fuck can you justify a question? How about you answering them instead!
el
I will answer ANY question and justify ANYTHING I’ve said….so now you won’t, hmmmm….
It’s not possible to justify a question you idiot! Ask me to justify any statement or an opinion I’ve given and I’ll happily do so.
el
so you won’t honour what you said, ok your loss…
The problem is that what you think of as your intellectual victory is in fact a demonstration of your ignorance of rationality and language.
If you want to prove yourself right, let’s hear you justify a question – any question at all……
explain…?
…or is it that you think “explain” and “justify” mean the same thing? If you want me to explain one of my questions because you don’t understand it then feel free to ask.
I think our messages crossed, but now it’s clear that you don’t understand the difference between “explain” and “justify”. That’s OK. Could you pick just ONE of my questions which you don’t understand and I’ll try to explain it. Please, not more than one at a time, because I’m busy.
you said I will answer ANY question and justify ANYTHING I’ve said…. and you haven’t and are now procrastinating…as i have never condemned corbyn, nor labour voters, why did you claim that i was condemning corbyn and labour voters, how did you come to that conclusion, occur to you, in order to ask that question….? what was your thinking behind that question…
ps typo; question/statement…
You said “labour have lurched to the right corbyn cannot change this”. That is a condemnation of Corbyn. So, now I have explained my question, will you answer it?
but i have already explained and/or justified that, before you asked that question so you had no need to ask it, if you’ve read my posts…so no i don’t accept that answer from you…
ps typo; asked that question made that statement…
If you think Corbyn can never win an election as Labour leader then that’s fine, you’re entitled to that opinion, even if you can’t explain it. Many other right-wing people think exactly the same thing. It’s a shame that you can’t suggest anything better, but then few lazy-thinking people ever can.
I asked – “If you live in England and you could vote for a Corbyn-led Labour party at the next election, would you?”
It only needs a simple one word answer……
i’ve already explained it you twat….
So would you vote Labour or not? You didn’t answer……
but you have not answered my questions as you insisted that you would
‘I will answer ANY question and justify ANYTHING I’ve said….’ and as yet you haven’t…
ps when you admit that i had already explained all before you made your statements/questions..therefore your questions/statements are irrelevant as you well know…so why are you dragging this process out….?
I see… so you want me to answer all the questions you can ever possibly think of, before you will answer just one of mine. That’s fair!
actually that’s your projection and what your expecting of me as well you know, so don’t try the puzzled sarcasm on me…i have made specific references on this thread and indeed other threads, to corbyn and labours plight so my answers are specific and posted….as i’ve already answered your questions/statements before you posted yours, yours are irrelevant…
Yes it’s a projection. So will you answer my question with a yes or no? It would save me the time of trawling through the vast amount of incoherent stuff you write. Thanks.
Overburdendonkey – Thank you for that and for sending the link – glad that you enjoyed reading it – I am inclined to agree with your views. Something really big has to happen to stop this Tory progression.
I’ll be first in line to stop the spread of the Nazi Tories.. by nuclear bomb.
“Something really big has to happen to stop this Tory progression.”
Can’t you see what’s happening right in front of your eyes? Why the fuck do you think there was an almost 100% SNP landslide? Why is Corbyn the totally unexpected poll leader? FFS!!!!!!
I don’t talk politics to the likes of ‘elbow grease’ who spends most of the day insulting other people on here for the sake of a cheap laugh. Other blog writers on here have valid things to say about the state of the economy, politics, their jobs or lack of, their lack of support from the government and that slimy cunt drunken smith.
“William Blum”
http://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/250457-iran-us-obama-policy/
annos
ye gods…!
the hungarian authorities have now pushed the worlds media away from the train(s)…
overburdenddonkey
“Still Uninvestigated After 50 Years: Did the U.S. Help Incite the 1965 Indonesia Massacre?”
http://www.japanfocus.org/-Peter_Dale-Scott/4351/article.html
Knobhead Alex Salmond on Radio 4 using emotive talk about “dead children being washed up on beaches” as a lever to state that the UK should be taking 50% of these ‘refugees’ and Scotland should take its ‘fair share’ of them 25%! Of course Salmond can’t give an exact figure but concedes that it will probably be in the region of millions. “Are the people of Scotland really ready for a massive influx of refugees?” “Yes, of course they are!” What a cunt. Will fucking Salmond be ‘bugging out in the woods’ as he loses his his home to make way for these swarms of locust? Salmond should be told to fuck off!
Support for the open door policy will end of the progressive SNP hegemony and probably destroy the case for independence.
yep the SG must end dwp sanctions WCA and all conditionality now….
ps no it won’t end the case for indy i should add…
Disgraceful behaviour, utterly disgraceful behaviour from the Fat Fascist Salmond. Salmond conveniently (?) forgot to mention that Cameron (the UK) has contributed £billions to aid the humanitarian crisis in Syria and is the single biggest global contributor. What is so bad about helping people in THEIR OWN COUNTRY? EVERYONE in their own country – not just those rich enough to be able to afford the services of people smugglers. Does Salmond give a flying haggis about the POOR people who can’t afford to bail out and get left behind – or does he only give a shit about his rich (Syrian) buddies. Salmond, if the truth be told, doesn’t give a damn about the people, Salmond will use any old excuse to open the floodgates to mass immigration; more of the very same mass immigration that has already done to much harm to the indigenous population. If the fat cunt would just give up ONE of his fucking lunches it would go a long way to solving this crisis.
Past and present Scottish SNP leaders
* Alex Salmond
*Nicola Sturgeon
Something very fishy about those two – in furthest, remote Scotland – in trying to play politics with the big boys in Westminister.
Social Housing Tenants To Be ‘Encouraged’ To ‘Do The Right Thing’ In Order To Help Refugees
Nicola Sturgeon says social housing tenants will be ‘encouraged’ to vacate their tenancies to ‘help our refugee friends from abroad’. In a joint ‘initiative’ run by the Scottish Government and Police Scotland tenants on State benefits will be identified and will be the first group to be offered ‘assistance’.
Holding back the tears Ms Sturgeon said: “Who could ever forget the picture of the dead child washed up on the Turkish beach. Scots have a long history and proud tradition of helping those less fortunate than themselves. Providing safe and secure accommodation to those fleeing their homeland is the least we can do.”
“Arbeit Macht Frei”
Does Idiotic Drunken Shite’s family tree have distant relatives in the Waffen SS by chance?
Yes – apparently they were thrown out of the SS for being too cruel.
I guess then that they were so cruel they made Hitler embarrassed about being head honcho of the Stormtroopers.
Do not blink or you may miss the disintegration of the progressive SNP, they will go down faster than SLAB did.
Nicola will be more detested than Thatcher for destroying the dream of Scottish independence for the dystopian politics of the EU and mass immigration.
no that dream will never die….
OBD – We agree about that!
Priti – I don’t think you’ve spent much time talking to people in Scotland.
Elbow Grease you know as well as I that it is a subject that is not to be broached in polite company but behind closed doors it is a different story.
yep the usual response in public is stunned silence and fighting back the tears…..
Priti – I assume you mean the subject of your crass ignorance about Scotland shouldn’t be broached…… Ooops, sorry!
“MAXIMUS TO SIMPLIFY WCA BY LOOKING FOR PULSE”
ain Duncan Smith has announced a major shake-up of the rules governing sickness benefit, designed to encourage anyone with a pulse people back into work.
“Currently, the system is far too complex,” said the work and pensions secretary as he feasted on the raw flesh of innocent children.
“It really shouldn’t matter how ill you are or what part of your body isn’t functioning properly, the ability to work or not should come down to one simple test; is your heart pumping blood around your body?”
“If the answer to that question is ‘yes’ then there is work out there for you. You just need to look harder”
“In a wheelchair? No excuse. If you can move it about then you can strap a broom to the back and sweep up.”
“Have a fatal disease? The drug industry always needs guinea pigs. And if you’re brain-dead and in a coma, well there are always chilly offices in need of a draft excluder.”
Mr Duncan-smith denied that he was a deranged, heartless lunatic who believed that compassion was for girls and that human beings only existed as a commodity to make him and his friends rich beyond dreams of avarice.
“No,” he said.
“You’re thinking of George.”
Jaz Merryweather
I am guessing that those who fail this comprehensive test will be called back for further assessments?
“DWP SAYS, CONCENTRATE ON THOSE THAT ARE STILL ALIVE”
Iain Duncan-Smith, DWP, fit for work
After 2,380 people died within two weeks of being found fit for work, the Department for Work and Pensions said we should instead focus on those still alive.
Figures released after a freedom of information request showed that thousands of people died after being told by the government that their benefits were being stopped because they were well enough to go and get a job.
A DWP source explained, “This is nothing but a media witch hunt.”
“Rather than focus on the people who died within days of us declaring them fit for work, why not look at the thousands who are actually still alive?”
“I mean, a lot of them are in pain, incapacitated, or dealing with chronic health conditions of various kinds, but they’re still alive, right?”
“But no, that’s not a ‘story’ is it? You’d rather talk about 90 people dying a month after we said they should get a job because you believe ‘lives are important’ or some other left-wing bullshit.”
“You just want to focus on the thousands of people we thought should go and find work but who actually ended up in the ground a few days later, all because it makes a good headline.”
The source then went on to say the link between being found ‘fit for work’ and dying soon after was a spurious one.
They continued, “Who’s to say we actually declared these people fit for work incorrectly? Maybe there’s a serial killer out there selecting victims based on those who are perfectly fit enough to get a job?”
“Maybe he’s killing three people a day? Have you considered that? No, because you’ve already made your mind up that we’re the bad guys, that’s why.”
Iolis 12 hours ago
The United Nations Human Rights Commission’s Special Rapportuer is to investigate the link between the government’s Welfare Policy and the denial of basic human rights among the disabled. The Rapporteur will no doubt be congnisant of the refusal to abide the decision of the government’s own Information Commission and, if the government fails to make the figures available for analysis by the United Nations, then that body, and other international bodies such as Amnesty International will draw such inferences as appear proper when they publish their report(s) for the world to read.
“DWP SAYS, CONCENTRATE ON THOSE THAT ARE STILL ALIVE”
… so that they, in the DWP, can forget about al the people they killed by sanction, etc, to chase after the living and put us all in the cemetary also. Drunken Shite won’t stop until he has us all six feet below.
Hi Fen, Did the DWP really say ‘concentrate on those that are still alive?
Please elaborate. Thanks x
Hi Fen, got the picture.
Hi Bernadette. I wouldn’t put it past the DWP gestapo if they even did cover up ‘death by sanction’ as so many times IDS tried to block the report until he was forced to do so. xx
But knowing that they want you DEAD should make you even more determined to stay alive, even if just to spite the bastards. Kind of ironic now that we are all dead 😀
But knowing that they want you DEAD should make you even more determined to stay alive, even if just to spite the bastards. Kind of ironic now that we are all dead 😀 😀
Don’t be come a ‘tragedy’ 🙂
Best wishes,
Barry, Maurice and Robin
I’ll have you know, we are not all dead. I am still very much alive and have renamed the band, The Bee Gee.
Poppycock, utter poppycock. Let me be clear: my programme of welfare reforms IS working. There are now more people alive today than ever before. Let us concentrate on the positive for once, shall we.
We are working for you
The Rt. Hon. Iain Duncan Smith MP, Secretary of State for Work and Pensions
Why do you impersonate Priti Patel? Are you trying to say something?
Please expand.
I’d really like to know as I am in the process of writing her a very nasty letter due to the lies and fabrication she has said about me (totally untrue) on behalf of her offices when my MP wrote to her?????????
I have been defrauding the DWP for 30 years claiming disabled benefit when I am not disabled [by your own DWP rules HCP]. Not working for 30 years screwing the DWP. Now DWP get off your arse & arrest me for DWP Fraud. I admit it the whole £800,000 over 30 years.
Since never having a job in 30 years I think I am unemployable.
What do you mean you don`t believe me DWP !!! Your not getting off that lightly.
SRSPS, Can you borrow me a tenner?
I could print some paper money (£10’s, £20s, £50s) off at home using my printer if that helps.
Do the DWP really want their £800,000 I stole off them in benefit fraud !!!
I AM A FRAUDSTER.
I am waiting to be taken to court DWP. Get on with it I am a big fish.
I AM BENEFIT FRAUD.
When are the DWP gonna believe me !!!! Failure Of A Benefits System Open To Fraud.
Slave Drivers are as Bad as Nazis who used Human Beings For
Slave Labour
Since the WCA is being scrapped it makes all ESA claim forms invalid.
Let`s start again – ADMIN WHERES ADMIN !!
THE DISABILITY HATE CRIMES POLICY AT THE DWP IS DEGRADING HUMAN RIGHTS.
DISABILITY HATE CRIME IS PART OF DISABILITY CONFIDENT IT ALSO PART OF THE WELFARE REFORMS TO MAKE DISABILITY HISTORY.
Thalidomide
I can only carry half a litre of liquid in a bottle with a handle & not a container.
ZERO POINTS.
Carry that empty cardboard box – That will be £50 !!!
I don`t like working with people, they are a pain in the arse.
Tourette Syndrome
Arseholes.
People with Tourette syndrome are more likely to exhibit non-obscene, socially inappropriate behaviors such as expressing insulting or socially unacceptable comments or socially unacceptable actions. It is not known whether these symptoms stem from a more general dysfunction of impulse control that might be part of Tourette syndrome.
Prick
Unworkable Arsehole.
DWP DEATH TRAPS THREATS DISABILITY HATE CRIMES & DISABILITY HUMAN RIGHTS.
fanny
iain duncan smith 😀
cunt
Wank
knickers
fuck
here here.
Save that for Maximus.
Death threats of suicide cause by the DWP is a risk of defrauding the DWP out of £800,000.
DWP suicide id a possibility.
Don`t Give Medicine If You Can`t Take Your Own Medicine.
Disability Deaths Threats & Disability Hate Crime by The DWP on all Disabled people.
Death Threats to the DWP & Maximus on Facebook. Lets make up some stories to defence IDS`s war against ATOS & Maximus.
DWP Deaths Threat to the disabled by the DWP.
Don`t twist it & get your DWP suicide medicine.
So that’s 15 DF118s now.
Are you saying that’s how many you’ve taken today? If so you’re in trouble. Is there anybody in the house with you? Can you call an ambulance yourself?
Yeah, call an ambulance NOW, SRSPS. You need emergency treatment!
I`m fine !! See how helpless – no help from my life coach, work coach, or anyone at the DWP not even the Professional Healthcare Professional cares.
The worst I could do with 15DF118s is when make tea for the workers at the jobcentre I put them in the tea.
Work Suicide Risk – So that`s one DF118 oh I mean sugar boss.
Oh the boss takes 4 sugars.
Anyone else for tea as I am the tea boy on Workfare.
Can you please Charge me for £800,00 disability ben efit fraud DWP !!
Fucking scared now DWP.
I hear voices saying!!!
There`s nothing wrong with you.
The Maximus spokesperson said.
Will Maximus be controlling my medication !!!
Very good question…
Will Maximus be controlling my health !!!
Very good question.
Illnes is a thing of the past. Work Cures Illness – Wackco loopy land.
Make illness a thing of the past like disability.
THE MAXIMUS NURSE SAID, YOUR BETTER OF DEAD,
AFTER RECEIVING OUR BOGUS REPORT.
WITH US YOU WILL STARVE AS YOUR BENEFITS HALVE,
SO TAKE YOUR LIVES QUICKLY INSTEAD……………………
Maximus Whistleblower
One of the whistleblowers said: “We are finding our self-esteem becoming lower and lower, while disabled colleagues struggle without assistance.
“I have never seen professional people in high-pressure jobs crumble like that, being made to feel like second-class citizens.
“They are abusing people in their workforce and have the bloody cheek to carry out assessments and tell claimants that they are able to go back to work with reasonable adjustments. Hypocritical sods!”
One former member of staff said that disabled employees were being sacked “left, right and centre”.
She said: “If they can’t look after the disabled people who are working for them – not recognising their needs and what they need to do the job – how on earth have they got the audacity to make judgments on disabled people coming into their office for assessments?
“I know a couple of disabled people there, and I would see them crying at their desks, because of the blame culture.
“A lot of the old Atos managers are absolutely atrocious, they are bullies. The way they speak to you is as if you are a piece of poo beneath their shoe. I have seen people cowering away from them.”
http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/new-fitness-for-work-firm-discriminates-against-disabled-staff/
IF YOU WISH TO APPEAL, THE MONEY THEY STEAL,
JUDGE ROWLAND IS WORKING FOR THEM.
YOUR’E OUT OF LUCK, HE WON’T GIVE A FUCK,
A LARGE SALARY, PART OF HIS DEAL……………….
Cut off Charity Shops Supplies Legally and Shut Them Down.
A friend of mine phoned a charity shop and said he had a washing machine and some furniture to donate. Pick up was arranged and when the driver arrived my friend told him he was not giving the items because the charity used people on workfare. If everyone does this drivers won’t know if they are getting the goods and that will affect their income, with knock on effects on the charity shop. Ian Duncan Smith cannot control that and It is legal. Finally if people are forced to do workfare Charity Shops should lower their prices to customers as they are getting free labour based on coercion not volunteering.
As I have said before – there should be ‘posters’ plastered all over the ‘Workfare’ Charity Shops (and other stores doing this sort of thing) It may just help to stop these bastards from doing this and it’s also helps to inform passing ‘customers’.
Of course, some of these will say ‘make this idol sods work for free’ but there may be some also who’ll say – ‘What! – we did’nt know anything like this was happening along our street! The public needs to know a lot more of the real truth.
paultheswineherd yes I think many people will be against these charity shops and if we can cut off the supply of customers and people donating items to such shops they will reject workfare. You are 100% correct.
Charity shops don`t have paid workers except the boss. They are called volunteers which makes workfare voluntary !!!
How charity shops work
Staff and volunteers
Most charity shops have a paid shop manager, working with a team of volunteers, who help to sort and sell the stock. A few charities have their shops run by volunteers entirely: many other organisations have found that employing a manager ‘pays for itself’, as these people can give more time, skills and attention to the role.
Dependent on retail operation size, there may be area or regional managers and a head of retail. There are also a growing number of specialist roles, such as online selling staff/volunteers and warehouse staff/volunteers.
So volunteers earn money now !!! Would that not mean they are not called volunteers any more !!!
Oh yes no working rights. So what am I a Paid volunteer !!!
Loopy Loo Land – You keep asking why I go off into loop loos – Well the loop holes are so loopy loo !!!
I don’t know what you’re taking, but it’s definitely not DF118s!
Yeah, SSRS is well out of it, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan…………. Chill maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan…………. it’s a gas maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan……………..
But the boss is on like £60,000 + fancy car + expenses. It is like the boss hoovers up all the volunteers ‘pay’! Not to mention the massive salaries being paid out to the CEO and co. Anyway, it is not like the stuff they sell is often cheap. The boss takes all the good stuff and flogs it off ‘on the side’.
‘Charity’ shops are a piss-take – anyone who works for nowt in these places is off their rocker!
Anyway, it is not like the stuff they sell is even cheap
My friend`s daughter has been forced to do ” voluntary” work, at the RSPCA, via Acorn.
Forgot to say, in their Charity shop that is.
WHY BE A SLAVE, JUST DIG YOUR OWN GRAVE,
DUNCAN SMITH’S RUBBING HIS HANDS.
FOR EACH PERSON DEAD, THE WEAKEST UNFED,
JUST NUMBERS FOR MONEY THEY SAVE…………………
THERE IS NO CAUSAL LINK, IT’S BULLSHIT TO THINK,
THAT SANCTIONS ARE KILLING GOOD FOLK,
SO WHY HIDE THE FACTS, ON THOSE THAT YOU AXE,
THE CORPSES ARE STARTING TO STINK…………….
Daffy Duck signed the ESA50 form.
Terms & Conditions
Healthcare Professional Abuse.
Any Human Rights is handed over to the HCP
The ESA50 is not a form it is a questionnaire.
Left in limbo like a half way house questionnaire while the real ESA50 form is filled out by Maximus the HCP.
The HCP overrule the DWP.
It Varies.
Sign hear for your Maximus Caring service you have now contracted up to.
Signed Daffy Duck & Dunkco The Clown
Well daffy they should at least put a computer bar code on the questionnaire. That is why it is called a questionnaire not a form.
Invalid Form
Working hard now.
DWP can you give me a ESA50 form with bar coding on it otherwise it`s invalid as a form.
The questionnaire ESA50 form is not a DWP form because is sent to Health Assessment Advisory Service
https://www.chdauk.co.uk/
Which is operated by Maximus.
That is why the ESA50 is a questionnaire & not a form. That gives overriding control of my DWP things.
DWP until you can give me the real ESA50 form & put bar coding on it my circumstances have not changed.
IF DUNKO THE CLOWN, ENTERED MY TOWN,
THE BASTARD WOULD LEAVE IN A HEARSE,
FOR THOSE THAT HE RILED, AND OFTEN DEFILED,
WOULD QUEUE TO BOOT THE CUNT DOWN……………..
sarah7; Your my kinda girl.
Doctors ordered I wasn’t to hear ‘Iain Duncan Smith’
Thank you Paula for speaking out
I second that. Brave woman speaking out against this Nazi regime that targets the poorest and weakest people when they’re at their most vulnerable.
You know what they call people who prey on the weak and vulnerable? Cowards that’s what. That’s exactly what ‘Dunko The Clown’ and his band of idiots are.
isn’t great?
hell’s bells
what i meant was, isn’t bold great?
LOL! Yeah i just learnt how to do it so now i’m looking for any excuse to do that or italics or smileys! Big credit go’s to JCPSufferer/Customer and Another Fine Mess. JCP showed me how to get the smileys and AFM the bold and italics.
Credit where it’s due ‘cos i didn’t know how to get them!
Raining – Glad I helped. I didn’t know how to do italics or bold before you asked how to do smileys, and I did copy down details of how to do them, but bold and italics seem a bit like hard work, and I’m not too keen on hard work… 🙂 “Doctors ordered I wasn’t to hear Iain Duncan Smith…” If only we could all have that rule applied…
JCP: Thanks mate. Oh you helped out alright as i was all over the place trying to log in to g+ and everything. Then when that didn’t work i was like ‘WTF is going on here?! How are the folks getting smileys on their posts?’ :D.
Shocking to hear that woman in the video there about all the friends she’s lost through psycho boy IDS’s reign of terror.
It’s alright for you, I’m still trying to get my default fonts back to .normal.
😀 🙂
🙂 ˙ǝɯᴉʇ ʇɐɥʇ ʇɐ ƃuᴉɥɔɹɐǝsqoɾ noʎ ɥɔʇɐɔ ʇ,usǝop ʇoᴉpᴉ ǝƃɐllᴉʌ ǝɥʇ ɥɔʇɐM
ɯoɔ˙ʇxǝʇuʍopǝpᴉsdn˙ʍʍʍ
Bob Dylan
Ages/ Geoff Reynolds
Re: Inclusion Scotland
Does disability include mental illness? If so, then should I email Inclusion Scotland my sanction appeal to the Parliamentary Ombudsman, which my MP (Stephen Crabb, Tory) has refused so far to sign off?
erratum: sanction appeal complaint
Ages/Geoff Reynolds
Would the fact that I have been waiting 16 months for a reconsideration to be placed into the Support Group be useful information to send to Inclusion Scotland?
YES, DEFINITELY SEND THEM MORE EVIDENCE.
DWP’s ‘attack on the disabled’ brought UN investigation upon UK
“TORY BASTARD, IAIN LIDDELL GRAINGER, A TWAT WITH A DOUBLE BARRELLED NAME, HAPPY TO USE EUGENIC SOCIAL CLEANSING AGAINST THE MOST VULNERABLE”
…………………..another on killer Smith’s christmas card list and one step behind on the gallows.
The only picture on his wiki site is this!
He’s a direct descendant.
sian – it figures!
Wiki – Iain Liddell-Grainger
‘In February 2014, in the context of flooding on the Somerset Levels, Liddell-Grainger called the chairman of the Environment Agency, Baron Smith of Finsbury a “little git”, and a “coward”. He claimed he would “stick his head down the loo and flush”.[21] The floods took place after exceptionally bad weather, but Liddell-Grainger placed the blame for them on the Environment Agency’s policy of not dredging the local rivers,[22] and said that he would be consulting with Dutch hydrological experts.[23]’
sian – would have been a cute picture – pity he spoils it…
Describing the execution of Iain Duncan Smith MP, executioner GEOFF REYNOLDS said:
“[After springing the trapdoors] I descended immediately into the pit where I found the pulse beating at the rate of 80 to the minute and the wretched Iain Duncan Smith struggling desperately to get his hands and arms free. I came to this conclusion from the intense muscular action in the arms, forearms and hands, contractions, not continuous but spasmodic, not repeated with any regularity but renewed in different directions and with desperation. From these signs I did not anticipate a placid expression on the face and I regret to say my fears were correct. 🙂 On removing the white cap about 1 ½ minutes after the fall I found the eyes of the former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions starting from the sockets and the tongue protruded, the face exhibiting unmistakable evidence of intense agony.”
and for those of you who like cats
Every afternoon [Frida] takes a nap in that spot, but that afternoon she knew she was being observed. So I created a special tea that I found on a cat lady website that was full of herbs that could allegedly make a cat sleepy. You got some Valerian root, some poppy seed extract, skullflower caps, chamomile…. I gave that to her and she was kinda being a bit more chill but she was still moving around a bit too much. And I guess we basically made the sofa area of my apartment into a cat paradise in order to get her to perform. We had bird songs playing on the iPhone, the window was open for bird noises outside. We put some food on the couch and then finally some cat nip.
Andrew Savage, Parquet Courts
Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.
Iain Fathead Duncan Smith
Best news all summer
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/28/camerons-surfing-polluted-sewage-polzeath-beach-cornwall
The only shit in the sea. is Cameron and his floozy……..
“EVEN OUR ANGELS HAVE TO SUFFER”
…………Upon reading freedom of information requests to the DWP, a lady is asking for clarification on how many children with heart defects have been declined DLA.
Strangely, every time i try to cut and paste it on this blog, it gets blocked?
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/287611/response/698446/attach/html/2/FOI%203524%20Acknowledgement.pdf.html
Are children with heart defects being targeted by the government to reduce costs for support ?
You can expect a reply by 22nd September 2015 unless we need to come back to you to
clarify your request or the balance of the public interest test needs to be considered.
Dwp.
…………………….WHAT THEY REALLY MEAN IS, THE ANSWER WILL BE HIDDEN FROM PUBLIC VIEW BECAUSE THE BARBARITY OF CUTS ARE TAKING LIVES AT AN UNPRECEDENTED RATE…………
My posts are being blocked in readiness for the human rights inspectors, we can’t have tales of death and misery on our internet……….
Anyone else getting blocked?
I’ve tried to paste the same FOI, but they’ve blocked me as well.
I had a go at posting that FOI on here a few moments ago, but someone in goverment is being a complete and utter asshole and has put a copyright and/or invisible watermark on that FOI request response preventing people from copy and pasting it elsewhere.
I seem to be getting redirected to google.com, but can easily around it.
Click to access FOI%203524%20Acknowledgement.pdf
Yeah, Geoff – It must have been awful for those turds, out for a morning swim and encountering a floating David Cameron….
Trolls are quiet
The trolls haven’t yet woken up from under their slimy rock or they have been told to spend half the day doing mandatory jobsearch at their jobcentre.
Fen – You think I’m a troll and I’m here. Why haven’t you replied to my earlier post?
As I said, the trolls usualy on here haven’t woken up yet and are still in fairyland…
Most of the fellows ‘actively seeking employment’ didn’t go to bed until about 4am, so they will still be snoring for a few more hours yet!
Yes, Fellow JCP, that IS aimed at you!
I have got far more important things to do today around my house and garden, and the likes of doing jobsearch all fucking day long to keep the clowns at my JCP happy than waste my time even bothering with the likes of ‘elbow grease’.
I come on here to battle against the govermnent and their destruction of this country. I may swear at times, but that is how I am when riled against complete wankers from Eton pretending to run this country and whom have never in their lives ever got their hands dirty and greasy working in warehouses, factories, saw mills or any retail businesses, along with being heavily involved with a local railway heritage project for many years breaking their back trying to re-open the railway as a tourist line. All of which I have fucking done.
“I come on here to battle against the govermnent and their destruction of this country.”
I’m fucking amazed! Really??? Man, you are SERIOUSLY deluded about who looks at this web site!
el
if we make so little impact why are you wasting your time here then…??
Curiosity about this idle online subculture……
Funny, I’d have assumed you’d be working at these hours. How do you find the time to waste on here?
You’re this site’s equivalent to Scott Matthewson on the Biased BBC pages, a shallow contrarian hypocrite who just wants attention and has no valid arguments or researched thoughts. Pathetic.
Danny – I am working, but I can spare a minute every now and then. It doesn’t take long! I have many valid arguments and researched thoughts. Would you like to pick a topic of your choice and test me? In return I will expect you to demonstrate the same to avoid the accusation of hypocrisy!……
The DWP, journalists, the BBC, Channel 4, the Security Services, the Police… amongst others, and of course IDS.
“THE DWP BODY COUNT ENTERS NEW TERRITORY”
Up to 4,010* sick claimants could have
been declared ‘fit for work’
prior to their death
The DWP have published the much awaited statistics on the deaths of claimants subjected to the controversial work capability assessment.
The assessment determines whether new claimants can qualify, after an initial ‘assessment phase’, for one of the two main payment groups of Employment & Support Allowance; either in the Work Related Activity Group or the Support Group. Claimants who are already in receipt of the older incapacity benefit range of benefits are subjected to exactly the same assessment (subject to a ‘conversion’ gateway) process in order to see if their existing award can be converted to Employment & Support Allowance, introduced in October 2008 with the intention of helping more people in to work.
The last time the DWP produced statistics on the number of claimants who died whilst on (all) incapacity benefits was in their “Incapacity Benefits: Deaths of recipients” statistical release of July 2012. Since then disability campaigners, including Mike Sivier, have tirelessly lobbied government to produce further and more up to date figures which could have shed more light on the plight of people like 44 year old Mark Wood who sadly died (in August 2013) 4 months after being found ‘fit for work‘ as a result of what is termed a ‘work capability assessment’. Mr Wood was profoundly medically unwell and had serious mental health issues, weighing just 5 stone 8 pounds at the time of his death. Coroner Darren Salter said Mr Wood’s death was probably “caused or contributed to by Wood being markedly underweight and malnourished”, but added it was not possible to establish the cause of death conclusively.
http://newapproachuk.org/2015/09/03/dwp-fails-to-provide-meaningful-statistics-over-deaths-of-incapacitated-claimants/
“DWP FIDDLES DEATH COUNT STATISTICS”
The DWP clarified in their July 2012 DWP release:
“Data on the number of ESA claimants that have died following a fit for work decision is not available, as the Department does not hold information on a death if the person has already left benefit.”
There is no explanation provided in the most recent statistical release to show whether the DWP has changed their data collation procedure for those leaving benefit and dying some time afterwards (although the separate mortality statistics say data is available where death occurs within six months of the close of a claim). It is therefore quite possible that if Mr Wood was not on Employment & Support Allowance at the time of his death (which followed a fit for work decision four months beforehand) he would not have appeared in the latest DWP statistics.
http://newapproachuk.org/2015/09/03/dwp-fails-to-provide-meaningful-statistics-over-deaths-of-incapacitated-claimants/
‘amongst others’
Would this include Yvette Cooper? Everytime I see her name, her sex life comes to mind. Sick bag please.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ed-balls-on-mumsnet-shadow-chancellor-says-he-is-a-long-slow-burn-in-the-bedroom-when-asked-about-being-named-a-sexy-beast-by-mums-10071342.html
“long, slow burn” is man-speak for ‘can’t get it up’… I should know, love 😦 Still, there is always Corrie 🙂
fen tiger – elbow grease is wrong, as usual. I went to bed at about 6am today, and got up about 2ish.
Apparently you don’t care that you are a liar and and hypocrite, and maybe even relish it. Do you think you are of any value to your immediate or wider society, or do you not give a shit about that either?
The King of Love my Shepherd Is, His mercies faileth never. I nothing lack for I am His, and He is mine forever.
Fellow – I was just wondering about your perception of yourself and your morality……
If you (a self-confessed idle liar and benefit cheat, who can’t even be bothered to get up before mid-afternoon to look for a job) were to be deported, and replaced by a Syrian who has travelled thousands of miles and faced death in his search for a job, would it be a net loss or gain for UK society?
http://newapproachuk.org/2015/09/03/dwp-fails-to-provide-meaningful-statistics-over-deaths-of-incapacitated-claimants/
“MORE EVIDENCE FOR THE HUMAN RIGHTS RAPPORTEUR”
A deaf benefit claimant was wrongly sanctioned after turning up to a training course just ten minutes late, the Upper Tribunal has ruled.
Despite the sanction being imposed in November 2013, he had to wait until 14 August 2015 to have his appeal heard by the Upper Tribunal.
The unnamed 53 year-old benefit claimant has hearing difficulties and wears a hearing aid in his right ear. He was told to attend a CV writing course and given a “Jobseeker’s Direction” letter to confirm the time and date of the course, reports Disability Rights UK.
After arriving just ten minutes late for the appointment, a decision was taken to cut his benefits for four weeks for failing to adhere to the “jobseeker’s Direction”.
The claimant argued at the Tribunal that he had incorrectly heard the date of the appointment, because his hearing aid was faulty, and didn’t check the time of the appointment on the letter he was given.
http://www.welfareweekly.com/deaf-benefit-claimant-wrongly-sanctioned-after-being-10-minutes-late-for-training/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+welfareweekly+%28Welfare+Weekly%29
“TORY’S EAGER TO HIDE THEIR TAX FREE ASSETS”
The UK government appears to have relaxed its pressure on the Cayman Islands to create a register of company ownership, despite David Cameron’s plea last year for overseas territories to do so in the interests of tax transparency.
The prime minister promised to introduce a public register of beneficial ownership in the UK and wrote to the overseas territories last year urging them to consider doing the same, arguing that public access to a central list is “vital to meeting the urgent challenges of illicit finance and tax evasion”.
However, the Cayman Islands is one of several offshore territories – including the British Virgin Islands and Bermuda – that are refusing to implement the idea after consultation.
Follow the money: inside the world’s tax havens
Read more
Despite further pressure from the Foreign Office and Treasury earlier this year, the position of the Cayman Islands now seems to have been accepted by Grant Shapps, a Foreign Office minister.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/03/uk-seems-relax-pressure-cayman-islands-company-register?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
GRANT SHAPPS, MINISTER FOR HIDING WEALTH IN OVERSEAS TERRITORIES………….
Minister of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs
The minister is based at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office. Responsibilities include:
Africa
Overseas Territories (not Falklands, SBAs or Gibraltar)
conflict issues
consular
protocol
ministerial oversight for FCO services
the Caribbean (not including Dominican Republic, Haiti or Cuba)
Illegal Wildlife Trade
Polar Regions
Just as people such as Elbow Grease deliberately confuse lack of work with laziness, they also confuse work with toil. Working should be productive and be attempting to achieve something, both for the person doing it and for others. The majority of jobs available do not only not match this criteria, but will never lead to any kind of progression. This is by design. The Labour party and liberals especially love mediocrity and, despite their claims to the contrary, they want a perpetual glass ceiling both to punish those who have achieved more than them and so that they will constantly have work whinging and playing the victim card. As Johnny Void had rightly pointed out, if work is such a wonderful thing – and, despite the ignorance of the aforementioned troll, the overwhelming majority on JSA are desperate to find jobs and get away from the DWP – then the rest of us should actually be thankful that they’re voluntarily taking themselves out of the job market, for an absolute pittance of welfare that’s a barely significant fraction of our economy, and letting the rest of us fight it out for the blessing of employment. I can honestly only think of maybe half a dozen people I’ve met during periods of unemployment that have wanted to stay unemployed, less than half a percent of everyone I’ve encountered in this way.
Perhaps these All Right Jack types need to go through a bit of this hardship themselves to really know what they’re talking about.
Danny – I most certainly do not! Laziness is VOLUNTARY lack of work, and almost all work involves toil. People who expect work NOT to involve toil are lazy!
el
everyone works, we human beings always do work, we stop work when we die….
If that’s your summary of the philosophy of work, then it’s a little rudimentary! Would you regard someone lying in bed while their spouse brings them takeaway meals as working?
If that’s your summary of the philosophy of work, then it’s a little rudimentary!’
actually i was commenting on YOUR rudimentary philosophy of work as you fail to define what work actually is and for what purpose…
I use the definition of a word from the dictionary. What the fuck do YOU use?
I’ll try again……. Would you regard someone lying in bed while their spouse brings them takeaway meals as working?
i was asking for your opinion not someones elses….
My opinion is that the definition of the word “work” is exactly what the vast majority of English-speaking people agree that it is – i.e. the dictionary definition.
It’s also my opinion is that anyone who just makes up their own definition is unlikely to be understood. Let’s try again – Would you regard someone lying in bed while their spouse brings them takeaway meals as working? Apparently you think they must be working, because they’re not dead (yet!).
the relevant to this blog is the dwp’s definition of work, ie are they being paid to either serve food or receive food in bed…ps shows you don’t do much work if you have to look it up in a dictionary….
Lying in bed receiving food isn’t within the DWP’s definition of work, or anybody else’s, EXCEPT YOURS! Do you STILL think everybody who isn’t dead is working?
I didn’t have to look it up because I already knew it. It’s sad the you did have to.
Marcel proust?
Shirley – Marcel Proust? Would you care to explain what you mean?
by the dictionary def of work the person lying in bed is working….
Ha ha! You just read it, but you clearly didn’t understand it. So what’s the intended objective or result of just lying in bed being fed?
getting calories to build up energy, they may also be sick…if they weren’t working they’d be dead…but the dwp def is being paid and putting time in….ie attending workplace it does not define activities undertaken….
Elbow Grease | September 4, 2015 at 8:35 pm |
Shirley – Marcel Proust? Would you care to explain what you mean?
Haven’t you read A la recherche du temps perdu? Blimey.
I read “In Search of Lost Time” 30+ years ago. Apparently you have not.
OBD – I guess I’m wasting my time. You don’t even comprehend what “intended objective or result” means.
el
not unless you explain what it means to you, no i won’t….
el
you asked me this…’Would you regard someone lying in bed while their spouse brings them takeaway meals as working?’ i said yes i would, if they weren’t they’d be dead…
it states nothing in your question about the bedridden persons, intended objective or result…
OBD – The definition of the word “work” requires an intended objective or result, otherwise it isn’t work. You’ve failed AGAIN to understand the meaning of a simple word. Even if English isn’t your first language, you surely must be able to read a dictionary definition!
el
tiredness is involuntary….
If it doesn’t hurt it sure as hell ain’t work…
True! Are you related to Merry Tiller?
Elbow get lost. You’re too boring for this site.
so if i hit my thumb with a hammer and it hurts like fuck this is toil…??
no if work hurts you’re doing something wrong ie not regarding one’s posture nor long term health…your version sounds more like self harm than work….
OBD – You have only an infantile grasp of logic. If somebody says that all work hurts, that does NOT mean that everything that hurts is work!!!!
well i know that you pratt….after all as you know i am a TIME SERVED AND FULLY SKILLED HGV MECHANIC WITH DECADES OF EXPERIENCE WORKING IN EVERY CONDITION IMAGINABLE….
ps and likely out there working when you were still shitting yellow…judging by your infantile reply’s i will also add when you’re old enough to vote you’ll probably understand much more than you do now…
You just proved that you don’t understand the logic, and it’s there for everyone to see! Unfortunately you can’t delete your embarrassing posts!
Nor can ‘elbow grease’ delete their own embarassing posts full of bile and hatred and insults against everybody else using this website blog. Pot kettle black…
never mind i’m not embarrassed as according to you i don’t understand logic therefore i can’t see my errors, ahh! ignorance is bliss ain’t it….best cancel my mensa membership then…
“never mind i’m not embarrassed” – Oh yes you are!
stop trying to put words into my mouth as usual, i’m not the slightest bit embarrassed….
All work is hurt but not all hurt is work.
obd
All work is hurt but not all hurt is work.
yep hitting one’s thumb with a hammer which hurts like fuck btw whilst working, some say is not work….hurting muscles whilst working some say is work… being dumped by partner hurts but is not work…but as work involves the input and expenditure of all energies emotional and physical it can encompass all forms of hurt and if it does time to think again…
ps the hurt is emotional, using mind to overcome tiredness pains of anaerobic respiration…
recovery when sleeping, work, and rest, no extras, no play…the daily grind…
not coping with this grind, is the laziness described…
P.S. Also the word “hurt” doesn’t only mean physical pain. For instance, work may hurt your family life, your golf handicap, or even hurt your ability to post crap on web sites whenever you like!
If this is a crap website, then why are you even wasting your time on here when you have nothing constructive to say or like insulting other blog users, you simpleton.
Fen – Can’t you read? I said “post crap on web sites” NOT “post on crap web sites”!
Yes, I can read thanks. Talking of crap, you’re full of it. I’d like to see you get your hands dirty in a sawmill or warehouse, but that’s as much chance as me winning millions on the national lottery every week.
If the likes of ‘Elbow Grease’ doesn’t like or agree with what I, or anybody else on here, have to say, then why the fuck does the dumbass keep replying to us with smart ass comments that have absolutely no meaning or positive constructive words of encouragement.
Can’t see the logic of somebody spouting bile and insults to the rest of us if we don’t fit in with EB’s point of view. IF YOU (EB) DON’T LIKE WHAT WE SAY ON HERE, THEN JUST SIMPLY FUCK OFF AND STOP REPLYING TO OUR THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS. ANYBODY WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD DO JUST THAT IF THEY KNEW THEY ARE LOSING THE ARGUMENT ALL OF THE TIME AND RESORT TO INSULTING AND VERBALLY ABUSING US. TWAT.
If it ain’t hurtin’ it ain’t workin’….
The diving bell & the butterfly?
Fair point, though Bauby was unique and so not really what I meant. I agree that ‘writing’ the book must have been astonishingly hard work.
E.G. The point was that you make an awful lot of sweeping generalisations for someone who likes to think they’re highly intelligent and oh-so worldly-wise. If you had really loved shelf-stacking for Asda, you’d be a ‘people-person’ (look it up) when clearly you’re an (allegedly) well-read misanthrope. All of your apparent reading of great and even bed-ridden writers has left your tiny mind quite unaltered and you’re just here as an irritant. You’re not making any difference or changing anyone’s mind about anything – perhaps you’re in search of lost time…
s n
exactly right abstract theories that hold no water in practice…the use of linguistic coshes dancing on semantic pin heads….
Yeah, elbow grease wouldn’t have got past our foyer. No fucking way is this knobhead an ex Asda ‘colleague’.
If you could read, you would have noticed that I said Sainsbury’s, not Asda.
Not even Sainsbury’s would have such a nobhead ‘elbow grease’ past security at the front entrance, let alone working as a shelf stacker for them. Sainsbury’s are not that desperate for staff to take homeless people by the name of ‘elbow grease’ in to fill any staff vacancies. LOL!
Shirley – I’ll throw your own argument right back at you. Are you making a difference or changing anyone’s mind by posting on here? I never claimed that that was my intention, but by criticising me for my failure to do so, you are implicitly claiming that it IS your intention. Perhaps you might therefore point to one of your successes……
No, it was all a big mistake. You’re fine & just want to have reasonable, measured debate and an exchange of ideas (via your very large intellect). It’s everyone who are rejecting your useful & constructive interventions that are confused/Illogical/stupid ~ delete as appropriate. If this is your idea of what the void is about ~ telling people they can’t read & etc. then you’re underestimating all of its readers. And vastly overestimating their interest in whatever it is you (don’t) have to say.
Ps As that overused old chestnut goes: Pick a topic, any topic & (please don’t) make one valid, evidenced point about it …
I didn’t say that I want to have reasonable, measured debate and an exchange of ideas either! I’m not jumping to a conclusion about you yet, but have you noticed that you have not so far asked even one single open question? You could ask me what I AM doing if you like……
Shirley – Which ‘sweeping generalisation’ did you mean? If you can specify which one then I guarantee I can justify it. I bet you don’t!
I don’t want to read that, thanks.
…and he didn’t CHOOSE that lifestyle!
Ps. Frieda Khalo.
Shirley – It’s rather easy to post the name of an artist or author, especially if you fail to make ANY POINT WHATSOEVER about them. All that does is make you look like a pretentious moron…… especially if you can’t even spell their name!
Don’t go round on here calling people morons just because they have an opinion that you never agree with and that whatever you have to say is right and other people are in your eyes wrong.
You will never get anywhere in life calling people morons or insulting them. No wonder all of us on here all have such a very low opinion of you, elbow grease. All fucking mouth and no trousers when you are confronted with a proper conversation.
Fen – I say it as I see it. The problem is that there are only a few people on this site who have real opinions, and even fewer who can be bothered to think about them, or to rethink them when challenged. Do you think I have a valid point?
@ Elbow Grease
FUCK OFF!! CUNT!!
My express thanks to Dog Bone for saying the truth about EB.
quote – ”The problem is that there are only a few people on this site who have real opinions, and even fewer who can be bothered to think about them, or to rethink them when challenged. Do you think I have a valid point?
I would like to point out that if EB doesn’t like our real opinions, then do the decent thing of simply fuck off and don’t come back.
Frida is (another) example of someone who worked and made lasting pieces of work despite being confined to her bed following serious injury. However, she was, of course, declared fit for work & sanctioned by the Mexican equivalent of the DWP…
Countless people (creative and not) have been bedridden by injury at some point in their lives. So what? Are you trying to make a point about something?
…and where did you get that complete drivel about the “Mexican equivalent of the DWP”???
…You got it from the Hollywood movie based on her didn’t you? Ha ha ha! I expect you think Braveheart is factual too.
sn
http://wosland.podgamer.com/your-hair-is-beautiful-tonight/ dismaland
Thanks obd, sometimes worms really are inadequate ~ it’s true!
s n
the thought that validated it for me was the conversation….is this really how we want to live…?
well said danny
I work 15 hours a day as a volunteer being an archivist.
I also ride a pushy bike everyday sometimes 50 miles a day.
I do not have time for DWP bullshit. The ESA questionnaire is then sent to maximus who seem to be doing form admin& processing. There is a questionnaire & a form to fill in. The real ESA50 form with the bar coding on is filled out by Maximus without your knowledge but with your consent which was given in the signing of the EA50 questionnaire. It is illegal to stop benefits so that is why they use sanctions. Has any one else not filled in the ESA50 questionaire Bogus form?
Unpresidented I think.
An illegal action is a crime & stays a crime unless it is corrected. Until then it is a crime to be reported to the police. Appeals are not used in a criminal matter unless the DWP decides so.
You can not stop & close my benefit. Sanctions since The DWP have jumped the gun & signed me up to Maximus without my signing anything is also illegal.
By jumping the gun DWP & handing info over to Maximus – Half Way House in limbo !!!! Who knows we ain`t heard that one before.
Steppin’
Can’t wait for your £800,000 fraud trial. Court Number 1 Old Bailey? Will be there in the public gallery front row.
Tony Blair’s former bodyguard found guilty of benefit fraud
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2015-09-03/tony-blairs-former-bodyguard-found-guilty-of-benefit-fraud/
I have been waiting 3 years for the court case. It seems the DWP don`t want to know about benefit fraud.
😉
Perhaps everyone should be on the fiddle like MPs.
My MP
Stephen Crabb nominates fellow MP’s flat as main home: MPs’ expenses
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5318954/Stephen-Crabb-nominates-fellow-MPs-flat-as-main-home-MPs-expenses.html
You need a good lawyer Stephen at least £120 an hour you can claim that back.
😉
The only thing that makes me disabled is a flat tyre puncture in my wheelchair.
Iwill be collecting 25 empty ESA50 to run a scam or is it that the DWP are so useless & open to fraud.
I collect empty forms. Blackmarket trading..
So you are not very good at filling out form then?
No it always goes wrong. Can you send another form but this time put a bar code on it.
Will Nicola Sturgeon offer Bute House as emergency housing for refugees and welcome a refugee family into her own home?
Will she give a cast iron guarantee that Scotland’s housing crisis will not be inflated by the housing of refugees and that there will be no advantage sought for refugees against Scots already dispossessed of housing opportunities.
In short Nicola where are you going to draw resources from and exactly where are you going to house thousands of refugees?
Are refugees suicidal no – Are disabled people suicidal
Sort out your own people before you sort out other countries problems.
£££ Billions
House a british disabled refugee.
The UK has so many Disabled British refugees. All funded by the WCA.
Aug 2015
Benefit claims: do the right thing
We’re pinpointing benefit cheats
Most claimants are honest but benefit cheats still cost the country millions of pounds. To make sure money is going where it’s needed most, we’re:
##working closely with fraud task forces, HMRC and local authorities
##using hidden cameras and undercover surveillance
##cross checking with banks and credit reference agencies
Claiming what you’re not entitled to could lead to a serious fine, loss of benefits, a criminal record or even a prison sentence.
What a false claim – You are not Targeting Benefit Cheats like me.
The tear jerking epilogue will be a Nicola Sturgeon photo opportunity with the handing over the keys of an affordable home to a refugee family while the evicted tenants of the abode look on in trauma.
Social Housing Tenants To Be ‘Encouraged’ To ‘Do The Right Thing’ In Order To Help Refugees
Nicola Sturgeon says social housing tenants will be ‘encouraged’ to vacate their tenancies to ‘help our refugee friends from abroad’. In a joint operation run by the Scottish Government and Police Scotland tenants on State benefits will be identified and will be the first group to be offered ‘assistance’.
Holding back the tears Ms Sturgeon said: “Who could ever forget the picture of the dead child washed up on the Turkish beach. Scots have a long history and proud tradition of helping those less fortunate than themselves. Providing safe and secure accommodation to those fleeing their homeland is the least we can do.”
And expect it to be revealed at some point in the future that the whole emotionally manipulative ‘boy on the beach’ incident which is being exploited no end especially by Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP was ‘staged’, happened another place, another time….
Bounty Killer – Suicide Or Murder Feat. Jeru The Damaja [
KILLING HUMAN RIGHTS
DWP KILLING TRADE
Gang Star – Militia
Wailing Souls – Shark Attack
Brimstone – Air Pass Through
The Prodigy – Firestarter (Official Video)
Firestarter (Reggae-cover of Prodigy) Ikke Bare Bare Egil Band Band
Have you got a job as a stand up comedian ?
Let me stand up & see.
Cameron has just announced a further £100 million in aid being sent to Syria – reportedly bringing the total now to more than £1 billion.
Why the hell is he doing this when our poor and sick are being pilloried unnecessarily? Obviously, to make him look good to other countries.
The United Nations and Amnesty International investigation into what fucking Dunko the Nazi psychopath and his DWP are doing should be very intrusive with them not allowing them to cover anything up and when the report comes out – it should be sent around the world to show exactly what they are doing to the British population.
If my calculations are correct, if someone is given a 2 week (adult) ‘sanction’ of their JSA for instance , £100million would work out at roughly 7.8 million separate ‘sanctions’ of benefit. Absolutely disgusting.
well said paul – our guys should come first.
Fellow JCP Sufferer/Customer – many thanks. With, as usual, absolutely no accountability, and most probably with no ‘vote’ as such in Parliament over this announcement – Cameron has got his own way once again.
As usual also, the ‘population’ has no say in this ‘payment’ whatsoever.
Another surety is that there will be no way that Cameron can know where this money is going to in Syria. He can say it is for ‘aid’ – yeah my arse!
My first thought was ‘how many weapons and barrels of explosives’ will Bashir Al Assad be able to buy with £100. (And some of it could end up in ISIS hands as well).
I should imagine it would be a terrific amount of weaponry!!
whoops – that should read £100 million!
Poor & Disabled people fund the wars.
So the poor & disabled have that much power !!!
Disabled & Poor ££££££££££££££££ GENERATOR
Next how can & cannot get Human Rights in the UK.
The DM will be deciding who will have Human Rights in the UK.
There are special Human Rights for migrants. Another made up story.
The poor & disabled will be bleed dry & there will be non stop cuts. There is going to be no end to cuts because the Tories are tricking everyone & the Tory voters. 2020 after office Dodgy Dave & IDS will be joining their pals running Atos & Maximus UK runnings.
Tax Haven.
Yvette Cooper you introduced the WCA in 2008. Unless you say you are going to scrap the WCA yon can stand down as a labour leadership hopeful.
Jeremy Corbyn – Yvette Cooper responsible for the sick work capability assessment! – 14th Aug 2015
Labour Jeremy Corbyn tears Yvette Cooper to shreds – 4th Sep 2015
“MAN WITH CHRONIC LEUKEMIA TOLD HE IS NOT DOING ENOUGH TO FIND WORK”
……………….fill your boots UN investigators
Mr Ward has lived with chronic leukaemia for 18 months and was diagnosed with severe arthritis in his left knee in 2012.
“I’m getting fed up of the Job Centre rejecting me all the time because of what I’ve got,” he said. “I can’t cope with getting a job and they say I’m fit for work – which I’m not.”
“I keep trying to explain to them, but it keeps going over their heads – they’re trying to push me into warehouse work, but that’s something I can’t do,” he said.
“I feel really shocked and down – it’s getting to the ridiculous now. It’s taking a lot out of me mentally – there are a lot of things that I used to do that I can’t do anymore.”
Mr Ward said was well he worked in warehouses, but his condition now makes physical work impossible.
“I’m afraid that with the pressures they’re putting on me the leukaemia will flair up, and when it does that’s not something an employer’s going to like,” he said.
Halifax MP Holly Lynch has taken up Mr Ward’s case and has vowed to highlight the issue in Parliament.
Ms Lynch said: “The Job Centre are telling me that Mr Ward is falling between two different benefits, but is eligible for neither.
“The Government needs to take a more compassionate approach – the DWP are making a real mess of this.”
Figures released by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) reveal that 90 people a month died between 2011 and 2014 shortly after being declared “fit for work”.
The official DWP statistics revealed that during the period December 2011 and February 2014 2,380 people died after their claim for Employment and support Allowance (ESA) ended because a work capability assessment found they were found fit for work.
Halifax MP Holly Lynch said: “Job Centre staff are following the procedures in place, but these procedures need to change, especially with difficult and complex cases.
“These figures have shown that thousands of people have died shortly after being declared fit for work – the Government has got this completely wrong.”
The DWP said it could not comment on Mr Ward’s case without his National Insurance number.
………………….OF COURSE IT WOULDN’T COMMENT, WOULD YOU IF YOU HAD TO HOLD YOUR HAND UP TO MURDERING THOUSANDS TO SIT ARSEHOLES IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS
DWP + JCP = SCUM.
I watched my father die from acute myeloid leukemia. He lasted just seventeen months from his diagnosis.
Each day he became weaker and weaker, mother and i had to place four dining chairs on dad’s driveway and lift him from one to the other to get him into the car so i could take him for blood, plasma and white cell transfusions.
i drove him to the nearest hospital that dealt with his ailment, it was 45 miles away from where he lived.
Fifty six times i did that trip before he finally drew his last breath, in my arms at home……………..
The DWP gave us not one penny to look after him, they denied that we had asked for help, stating they could find no records of phone calls.
After dads funeral, the house full of flowers, a snoop from the dwp turned up and asked what the flowers were for. He realised he had made an almighty fuck up.
He had come to accuse mother and i of submitting a bogus claim. I could have killed the horrible, objectionable bastard……………………….
A week after dad passed away, we received a letter to tell us that dad had been awarded a benefit for three years. Talk about being inept, no wonder people are dying in droves
There was supposed to be an internal investigation. Nothing was forthcoming, they covered the issue up………………
.
This is why i hate the DWP so much
i hardly know what to say geoff…poor man, may his soul rest in peace…
sarah7 – terrible unfairness, but sadly, only too common nowadays.
And the fucking lazy, corrupt, expense fiddling, rich & drunken bastards in the House of Lords – they are made for the rest of their lives.
No signing-on at JCP for this ever increasing bunch of cunts.
Just watched Stepping Razors You tube clip Disability Group Against Cuts clip. 5* in that it has not been addressed by any TV Channel nor highlighted by Sir Bob. We’re killin our own. Still,cackle a larf: the current refugee crises secures Jon Snows kids future employment in the circus that is the £££media. You seen his London outrage? And,as always controlled and manipulated by The Top Table Toff Club.
How many killed here,murdered by IDS? 2,000? With dressing down,make it 5,000. And such suffering!(Ssssh…don’t cover it BBC. Or,put it on radio 3.12am for 15 secs) At least IDS should have sent round GAS VANS for those he hates. It wooda bin kinda. Instead of the innocents having their assessments rigged and benefits cut, they cooda bin forced into back of vans,engines on…there! 3 minutes of gassing and the jobs dun: all over. Throw the bodies up the refuse dump. QED
666 IDS the Beast and his Bride Esther McVey: drippin with death. Kali Kali Kali
stitched up and broken – yes, exactly so – it is disgraceful.
Geoff – well said and very true as well. You say it exactly like it is and all of us on here, I am sure, admire you for having the guts to do so.
I realise that the refugee crisis is bad – but, without being too political – I can honestly see Britain being entirely swamped by them – I would’nt be too surprised if its eventually not too far from around the 200,000 mark.
(Probably many more than Idi Amin’s Uganda Asians in the early1970’s).
Where is the infrastructure for this? Where is the housing going to come from? Where are the jobs going to come from? Where are the extra medical facilities/social care going to come from?
Mad Dunko the Insane Clown will have to ‘cut’ even more from our Country’s welfare (for our people). Although there will be absolutely no need for this. He will say that he’ll have to do this, but with the Tories apparently awash with ‘taxpayer’s’ money – Cameron will agree with it also.
These will readily give funds away (never to get it back again) to any other Country, apart from our benefit claimants/sick/disabled, many of which are being continually ‘santions’ left, right & centre.
For fuck’s sake let’s look after ‘own people’ for once.
“swamped” – haven’t we heard that before?
Someone I talked to last week was explaining that he had just heard about a possible place in a hostel, which for him constituted “good news”. He went on to compare his own difficult time as a homeless man, not ‘vulnerable’ & so not in a priority group, with alcoholics who are just given £50/week and sent away to (of course) buy alcohol. They were being treated better than him.
Compare & contrast…
shirley – paul has a very valid point, and comparing it to those who are actually uk nationals and complaining about others who are also uk nationals and get more benefit than them misses the point. Our own people, whether alcoholics or not, should be properly supported ie without sanctions and wca etc BEFORE we consider thinking about bringing in others and supporting them.
Paul, I agree.
Germany is expecting to take 800,000 this year alone, so 200,000 coming to the UK is not really a lot. As for housing refugees, as in Germany there are plenty of redundant military bases that could be utilised.
Yes, it is a strain on ‘our’ resources, but so are the present government. It is they, and the interests they represent who are responsible for both our plight, and the plight of the many millions who are fleeing both war and poverty. I know that I’m far more in favour for my money to go to help people fleeing poverty or war than I would ever be to see it squandered on the likes of the ruling elites, or the royal parasites.
We have also to remember that if the USA and it’s poodle the UK hadn’t visited terrorism upon the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan then we might not be in this situation. The Syrian refugees and the poor from Sub Saharan Africa trying to find a better life are OUR people. Of course, things need to be made better in the home countries of these millions of people, so that they are safe and have access to the same ‘vitality giving vitals of life’ (thanks OBD) that we should also enjoy, as of right.
You can, by all means, engage in the rhetoric of the racist, and support the UK tory standard line that it’s not our problem, that we can’t afford to help – but you can only do that if you buy into the lies that the country is broke and has no money, when those in power have plenty and then some more.
sib – I am all for uk nationals, whatever their religion or the colour of their skin, receiving help first. Only when the last foodbank is closed down in the uk will we be able to say we have suficient resources to take in more people into our tiny country. And I don’t care about comparisons with other european countries or what has caused the wars, as I am not politically minded. If I am wrongly labelled a racist then so be it. And in case you’ve missed the fact, sib, it is the tory government which has agreed to take refugees. It will not be the mps who pay for the refugees with their expenses, it will be the poor in uk who are sanctioned even more to make the savings and it will add to the numbers of our own people, ie those who have a legitimate uk passport, who are already starving and/or homeless. I make no apologies for agreeing with Michael Portillo that the refugees should be taken back to where they embarked , and in case you’re wondering, I voted for scottish independence and the snp, but just because you vote for someone or something it doesnt mean you agree with every single one of their policies.
Jacques Ellul remarked that the purpose of political parties was to trap their victims in an ideological strait-jacket: you have to agree with every the ‘party’ says; no scope for independent though, no room for manoeuvre. Just because you voted SNP doesn’t mean you have to nod in agreement with every utterance that falls from Nicola Sturgeon’s mouth. Portillo is wrong on many issues, for instance his support of the death penalty, but in this instance he is spot on, and it is Sturgeon and Co. who are bang out of order.
aginin – well said
Once of these days the idiots will realise that the cause of helping the refugees is helping our own cause. To side with the likes of Portillio is to take sides against yourself. The Tories and people like Portillio want us to oppose helping the refugees, as it creates fear, which then allows the government to turn round and say that they’ll save us from that, only the end result is that we end up being more oppressed.
You say that you are not politically minded, but it’s plainly obvious that you are otherwise you’d not be here commenting on anything – all comments here are political, though to be fair it needs to be pointed out that it is usually the personal political here.
You claim to be a practising Christian, yet you seem to have no Christian conscience when it comes to the plight of people in a much worse situation than you are. What about being a Good Samaritan?
If you want to buy into the whole lie about the country having no money, as the Tories want us to believe, then so be it, but that then begs the question as to what you are doing here.
There is no shortage of money in the UK, it’s just that the wealth isn’t distributed in anything like a fair way. If the government started to make corporations and the super-rich pay their taxes then there would be more than enough to pay for not only the current refugee crisis, but also to pay for badly needed investment in infrastructure like new housing and railways, green energy, training and new manufacturing industries and modernising the economy and instituting an Unconditional Basic Income.
Re-read the comment by Noam Chomsky and think about it.
IMBECILES IN THE UK GOVERNMENT
Is it me who is complletely out of touch, or are we being led by a ship of fools into another war that will have a devastating effect on the poorest and disabled within our shores?.
It has been said that, had we not got involved in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, there would have been enough cash to pay for the British welfare bill for the next seventeen years…………….
Meanwhile, we are on the cusp of parliamentarians pushing for an all out war within Syria utilising our forces.
Are we absolutely fucking crazy or what?.
With thousands of refugees displaced because of conflict, heading to safer havens within Europe, we intend to exacerbate the situation even further.
Everywhere that we have shown British military intervention over the last decade has come at a price. A price to you and me and our children for years to come.
When we leave a theatre of war we leave just a shell of it’s former being, a land that is to be governed by ganging warlords fighting for supremacy while the population is decimated even further by rivalry.
This week our idiots in Westminster are going to try to use “our achievements in Iraq”, to try and sell another war.
What fucking achievements have we made in Iraq? , absolutely none whatsoever, leaving a trail of destruction and misery.
I ain’t the brightest kid on the block by far, but i can see who is behind the push for intervention into the Syrian crisis…………….
The banks, the arms and armaments lobby.
You don;t have to be a genius to work out that wars cause huge debt, and the only industry that thrives on debt are the banking sector and it’s allied spin offs.
The weapons industry in the uk are pushing huge sums of money into the tory coffers, to them war brings the bonus of huge sales, not only to this country but also to those we are supposedly fighting.
“War has no morals, no ethics, no scruples, it cares not one iota for the casualties that come back draped in Union Jacks, limbless or suffring from post traumatic stress disorder”
War fuels the wheels of our black commerce. You will never see a toffee nosed Etonian on the battle field other than some son of Sandhurst blowing a whistle instructing his minions to charge across no mans land to their immediate deaths.
Is Corbyn the only one with any sense, or do the rest just have corporate inteersts in lining their own, bloated pockets?.
geoff
corbyn’s against indyscot which i’m passionately for as you know..labour accidentally gave corbyn a chance, he has grasped it with both hands and good on him for doing so he has given people hope in the present, and inspired like minded, others think like him en mass….he has shone a valuable light on our corrupt political system in all it’s gory… the fight for social justice is on…change will take many years i’m sure….
ps geoff
proof if we ever needed it, that attacking others never cures anything…
absolutely correct OBD, it serves no purpose whatsoever other than feeding the cravings of banking institutions and gun dealers……..
we carved out the stage geoff, with our blood sweat and tears, and others refreshed swan on to take the limelight, not fucking likely…
I am also in favour of indyscot, as you well know. Just wish that the North of Victorian England could tag along with you, my friend.
yep you and many others #takeuswithyouscotland
http://www.rt.com/uk/259205-uk-scotland-join-petition/
I think the people of Northern England have a lot more in common with us than they have with those Westminster tits! I for one would welcome all of Northern England with outstretched arms. If it was possible to include the area in our independence quest i’d be all for it. They have been shafted miserably and as badly as us Scots by these Tory bastards.
Scottish Parliament – Nicola’s Greetin Hoose – the independence dream is over the progressive nightmare has begun for the people of Scotland.
no the dreams not over…if the snp turn their backs on scots in favour of others the snp will be over….
obd
but that’s why they call it a dream… you have to be asleep to believe it 😀
He cannot talk, read or write, but Tories want severely disabled Stuart Chester to fill in 20-page form to keep benefits
TheNationalScot – 31st Aug 2015
A SEVERELY disabled young man who is unable to talk, read or write and needs round-the-clock care from his mother is the latest target in Iain Duncan Smith’s campaign against Scotland’s most vulnerable.
Stuart Chester, who has Down’s syndrome, epilepsy and autism and is unable to feed or wash himself, is being told by officers in the Tory minister’s Department for Work and Pensions to prove he is unfit for work.
The 25-year-old has been sent a controversial 20-page work capability assessment form to fill in that will investigate his fitness for work and whether he deserves his Disability Living Allowance (DLA) and Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) benefits.
Last night Social Justice Secretary Alex Neil described Stuart’s case as “absolutely outrageous” and “shameful”.
Stuart has been given a deadline of September 18 to complete the complicated and detailed document and return it to the DWP.
Read More:
http://www.thenational.scot/news/he-cannot-talk-read-or-write-but-tories-want-severely-disabled-stuart-chester-fill-in-20-page-form-to-keep-benefits.6995
That`s good another person refusing to fill out the bogus ESA50 questionnaire bogus form.
“””A DWP spokesman said: “We regularly review people’s conditions to ensure that they are not simply written off and condemned to a life on benefits. That’s why we have improved the work capability assessment since it was introduced in 2008, ensuring that it is fairer and more accurate.
“Decisions are taken following a thorough independent assessment, and consideration of supporting medical evidence provided to us by a claimant’s GP or medical specialist.”
“It’s important that regular assessments are made, as for some people, conditions may improve or worsen.””””
In the ESA50 terms & conditions it says they do not take & use supporting medical evidence but you can send it anyway but we will not use it.
The only person that i can think of for being unfit to work is “DUNKO THE CLOWN”
THERE ARE 2380 REASONS TO SUPPORT MY THEORY BUT SADLY, THEY CANNOT TALK FROM THE SHALLOW GRAVE HE PUSHED THEM INTO………..
Just recieved a nice brown envelope from the department of imaginary justice, the upper tribunals appeals chamber……………….
The content is all too familiar, utter biased claptrap from a DWP DISABILITY DENIAL SHITHOUSE called ;
MICHAEL PAGE.
MICHAEL PAGE has no disability other than he has trouble accessing the proceeds of his crimes fast enough.
He is a little toady employed by the state to put forward attempts to block appeals brought forth from disabled members who have had their support benefits stolen by his employers.
MICHAEL PAGE is paid to put forward submissions to the appeal court judges to dismiss appeals by utilising bent judgements that have been allowed to stand in the past (case law).
MICHAEL PAGE does not have trouble bending, gripping or walking, he does not suffer sleepless painful nights, nor piss himself or have hearing problems…………..
MICHAEL PAGE is nothing short of a government rat that thrives on the pain and suffering of others that he will never know himself.
…………………YOU CAN PUT AS MANY OBSTACLES IN MY PATH AS YOU SEE FIT, BUT BEING DEEMED UNFIT TO WORK FOR LIFE BY ALL THE DWP DOCTORS AND HCP’S PRIOR TO MY ATOS EXAMINATION, REALLY PISSES ON YOUR BONFIRE………………………..
ESA50 is a bogus fake form with no bar coding – It is Maximus designed & is not a form but a fake form called a questionnaire. It is a contract to Maximus to let them fill out the real EAS50 Form with bar coding behind your back. Illegal practice.
Since the DWP have jumped the gun before me signing so I am now in Maximus system without any agreement from me. If I don`t sign I am still contracted to the DWP not Maximus. Another illegal practice by the DWP & Maximus.
NEED MORE PEOPLE TO NOT FIOLL IN THE FAKE BOGUS ESA50 Questionaire because it is not a form with bar coding.
It is illegal to stop benefits, it will be illegal giving sanctions [criminal matter no appeals needed] What do you sanction because I have not put it a claim for ESA
Unum Employee Denied Unum Disability Benefits
Lawyersandsettlements – 3rd Sep 2015
Chattanooga, TN: Yolanda received short-term disability benefits from Unum, or Unum Provident after suffering a back injury, and her benefits should have rolled into long-term disability benefits. Yolanda should know – she was a Unum disability specialist for five years. But Unum doesn’t even look after its own…
“Unum’s reasoning for denial was that my doctor was not supporting my claim, but there was some confusion about which doctor filed medical reports,” Yolanda says. “When my doctor and I finally realized the mix-up, we explained it to Unum and they still denied me.”
Last June Yolanda was working on her home computer when she slipped on a mat – Unum didn’t see it as a work-related injury – and injured her back. Unum did pay short-term disability benefits but the last STD payment was sent in October. Yolanda sent more medical reports from her doctor to Unum.
“During the time I was out for a back injury, I was also being treated for bilateral carpal tunnel, which I developed from typing on the computer so much,” Yolanda says. And here is how the confusion happened.
Read More:
http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/first_unum/interview-unum-lawsuit-insurance-29-20883.html#.VerkfdJwaM8
As a disability insurance claims consultant and expert witness.
The ESA 50 QUESTIONNAIRE that was sent out by the government was a cheap attempt for them to circumvent the law by trying to get your personal approval to be seen by an ex bed pan washer posing as a health care professional.
The Welfare Reform Acts, did not repeal the Right of Supersession, Social Security Act (1998), meaning that all of the Migrations to ESA have been unlawful. As the DWP have not been superseding the earlier awards of benefit. (Despite this being a legal requirement since 1998).
The Secretrary of State had the power to change the law.
However the fact remains that he did not, and he cannot unless he wants to throw the whole Social Security system in to legal turmoil.
“1. The Data Protection Act 1998, and the associated issues of the Department of Work and Pensions allegedly wrongfully declaring ATOS Healthcare as a Data Processor, when prior rulings by the Information Commissioner would clearly define them as a Data Controller in the Capacity of conducting the WCA.
2. The Right of Supersession (Social Security Act 1998). In which the state has not been showing sufficient or obtaining for the purpose of, evidence to Supersede an existing award of benefit. No supersession has been applied, which is in contravention of Social Security Act 1998, on existing awards, by the department of work and pension. (Those subject to the migration process).
3. That Declarations 4, 5, 6 of the ESA50 questionnaire, are allegedly in contravention of Article 7(1) ‘forced submittal to retrospective laws’ and Article 8 ‘forced termination of right of privacy’ of the European Convention of Human Rights. As well as being enforced with no right of Refusal in sharing of Private Personal information with other Data Controllers in contravention of The Data Protection Act 1998 and that ATOS Healthcare has not been correctly declaring themselves as a Data Controller in respect of the WCA in direct contravention of The Data Protection Act 1998.
4. That the existing award of Benefit Made under the Social Security Act 1998 (Incapacity Benefit Paid as Income Support), be reinstated as per regulation until the outcome of said Upper Tribunal.”
“DISABILITY BENEFITS HAVE BEEN STOLEN, THE GOVERNMENT AND IT’S SIDEKICK JUDICIARY KNOW THIS, BUT DO THE UN HUMANRIGHTS OFFICIALS?”
Maximus controls the ESA50 bogus quesionaire. They seem to also be doing the processing of the ESA50. So by signing the ESA50 you are now contracted to Maximus not the DWP until the results have been made & Maximus has filled out the real ESA50 form with bar coding on for you.
Fall at the first hurdle. At least I have rights & my circumstances have not changed & every action the DWP & Maximus take will be illegal in criminal law & Human Rights & Equality Laws.
OVER TWO YEARS AGO THE DWP SENT ME A QUESTIONNAIRE AND TOLD ME IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT I HAD TO COMPLETE IT, SIGN IT AND SEND IT BACK………………
IT SEEMED STRANGE AT THE TIME AS I HAD BEEN AWARDED A LIFETIME BENEFIT DECISION.
NOW THEY WANTED TO ASK ME HOW MY DISABILITY AFFECTED ME BECAUSE THEY SAID IT WAS A LONG TIME SINCE THEY LAST SPOKE TO ME.
THE QUESTIONNAIRE WAS JUST PAGE AFTER PAGE OF TICK BOXES.
I SENT A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST TO THE DWP, ASKING WHY I HAD RECEIVED A QUESTIONNAIRE, GIVEN THAT I HAD BEEN AWARDED A LIFETIME AWARD.
THIS IS THE DWP REPLY,
DLA award reviews
Awards of Disability Living Allowance (DLA), whether made for life, indefinitely, or for a fixed
period, are made on the basis that the entitlement conditions continue to be met.
An indefinite or life award would not generally be reviewed unless there is a change in
circumstances that affects the entitlement. Such a change could be reported by the claimant,
as they are required to do to ensure they receive the correct amount of benefit, or through
another source e.g. Fraud referral.
There are no plans to reassess people for Personal Independence Payment earlier than the
timeline set out by the Government.
………………RATHER THAN FILL IN THE 35 PAGE QUESTIONNAIRE, I WROTE BACK AND TOLD THEM THAT MY CIRCUMSTANCES HAD NOT CHANGED………
THEY THREATENED ME BY SAYING THAT IF YOU DO NOT FILL IT IN, WE WILL STOP YOUR BENEFIT.
THEY STOPPED MY BENEFIT 25 MONTHS AGO FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT I WOULD NOT SIGN A QUESTIONNAIRE.
THE DWP WERE MADE AWARE THAT MY DISABILITY OR CIRCUMSTANCES HAD NOT CHANGED WHATSOEVER.
MY SANCTION WAS APPLIED KNOWING THAT LEAVING AN ABLE BODIED PERSON WITHOUT BENEFIT FOR TWO WEEKS COULD CAUSE MAJOR HARM……………..
25 MONTHS LIVING ON JUST £33.60P PER WEEK………………………
The only way to get one to change their circumstances is by filling out the ESA50 questionnaire. right there Change Of Circumstances.
IN THE DWP REPLY, THEY STATE,
An indefinite or life award would not generally be reviewed unless there is a change in
circumstances that affects the entitlement. Such a change could be reported by the claimant,
I REPORTED THAT NO CHANGES TO MY CIRCUMSTANCES HAD OCCURRED,
THEY REPLIED, WE HAVE TAKEN AWAY YOUR DISABILITY LIVING ALLOWANCE AND CARE COMPONENT COMPLETELY……….
It is illegal & a criminal matter to stop ones benefit completely that is why they introduced sanctions. But on what benefit do these sanctions apply DLA because the circumstances have not changed. Income Support or the DLA because you get both. Also reason for sanction. Did not fill out a public claim form [questionnaire] Will stay a criminal matter until it is corrected by the DWP.
And with a Cease & Desist letter written to the DWP I have the law on my side if the DWP break the terms & Conditions of the Cease & Desist letter.
DWP they are all criminal matters not appeal system unless the DWP choose to make an appeal.
Disgraceful, and disgraceful what happened to your father; but thanks for clarifying why you live on just £33.60 a week.
Re: your FOI reply
‘An indefinite or life award would not generally be reviewed unless there is a change in
circumstances that affects the entitlement. Such a change could be reported by the claimant,
as they are required to do to ensure they receive the correct amount of benefit, or through
another source e.g. Fraud referral.
The problem is the word generally (meaning ‘in most cases’). The DWP is ridden with all this word muddiness.
My medical condition is Panic Attacks at offices, strangers, forms, door men, bullet proof glass, & DWP chairs. I thought I told you that DWP.
& Confidence Tricksters.
DWP SUICIDE NUDGE UNIT.
SNU.
If you fail your medical & are not able to work there is no safety net & the state can not provide which is breaking UN Human Rights. So who is rights the medical condition or the UN Human Rights because it ain`t IDS & Dodgy Dave`s disabledGenocide plan.
How many have died as a result of being lost off the system !!!
Disability Denial leads to genocide.
Until you send me the real ESA50 form with the bar coding you do anything DWP – Loop Holes. You should be paying me DWP because I find all our loop holes.
The DWPs hands are tied. It`s called litigation & no action can be taken by the DWP in litigation.
These are criminal matters [Police] not an appeal system – So until the DWP change the rules that are breaking the laws in many areas it is still a criminal matter !! Yes appeals don`t work DWP.
Don`t Give Medicine If You Can`t Take Your Own Medicine DWP..
Pass that on to IDS.
Stick Up The Loop Holes You Lazy Cival Service. I Want PAYMENT FOR DOING YOUR LEG WORK.
Next Loop Holes AKA Fuck Up.
ESA is in a mess – The DWP are now combining all other benefits with ESA, which to my knowledge is a Medical benefit. Yet again we see the disabled funding & backing up the Welfare State. Universal credit is now part of ESA.
Scrap ESA & Scrap WCA.
So the ESA50 questionnaire has nothing to do with medical conditions just a consent to Maximus to fill in the real ESA50 form which also has nothing to do with medical conditions. Universal Credit you will need a ESA50 form
BOGUS.
Thats right razor, without your consent the DWP are totally fucked, you are refusing to play their fetid little game.
I know that and you know that, but we should make everybody else aware of that…………..
They can huff and puff till the cows come home but they need your approval.
.
It is a general legal and ethical principle that valid consent must be obtained before
starting treatment
or physical investigation, or providing personal care, for a person.
This principle reflects the right of patients to determine what happens to their own
bodies, and is a fundamental part of good practice. A healthcare professional (or other
healthcare staff) who does not respect this principle may be liable both to legal action
by the patient and to action by their professional body. Employing bodies may also
be liable for the actions of their staff.
Awareness – It is a grey area of loop holes that is a half way house change over which in the terms & conditions has it all about HCPs Health care Professionals.
I refuse these terms & conditions for the HCP to have absolute controls in how one claims for a new claim. The dictation of the written word on the real; form is a secret & will be defended by the DWP under the date protection act so as not to make public.
Dodgy is not the word for the ESA – It is a nudge unit consent form.
“MICHAEL PAGE OF THE DWP, MAY YOU ROT AND BURN IN HELL FOR ALL YOUR ATTACKS AGAINST THE POOR AND DISABLED”
A WART ON THE ARSEHOLE OF HUMANITY, A COMPLETE AND UTTER SCUMBAG………
The weakness is the ESA system ESA50 & so on. Break down the ESA & it automatically breaks down the WCA. All not fit for purpose & many more breaches. The big wigs products are weak domino effect.
I go for the product not the person Dunko The Clown.
All feeling Disability Unconfident now !!!!
I get a panic attacks with anything to do with charities, offices, shops, strangers, workplaces, public transport, & buttons. [confuse the buttons is that phone buttons Or jacket pocket buttons to undo before I can get my hand in the jacket pocket WCA]
aximus – Now can you put your hand in your jacket pocket to pass the WCA so we can rob you?
Yes by all means.
I don`t wear a jacket with a pocket.
ZERO POINTS.
Wel be more precise on the question.
ZERO POINTS.
I gave the tick box system a choice.
MINUS 50 POINTS.
I SCORED FIFTY POINTS WITH THE DWP’S OWN DOCTORS, BUT EMMA BRODRICK, HCP FOR ATOS, SCORED ME ZERO………..
TO PROGRESS TO A WCA EXAMINATION THE DWP NEED YOUR CONSENT.
THE CONSENT MUST NOT CONTAIN AN IMPLIED THREAT, YET ON DWP DOCUMENTS IT STATES;
“IF YOU DO NOT RETURN THE THE COMPLETED FORM BY THIS DATE, WE WILL WRITE TO REMIND YOU, IF WE STILL DO NOT RECEIVE A REPLY , WE MAY SUSPEND YOUR BENEFIT”
“YOU DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH US CONTACTING THESE PEOPLE OR ORGANISATIONS, BUT IF YOU DON’T AGREE, WE MAY BE UNABLE TO TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE ENTITLED TO THE BENEFIT YOU ARE CLAIMING”
THESE ARE IMPLIED THREATS TO GAIN CONSENT
That statements from the DWP is illegal not only in criminal matters but also Human Rights & Equality Laws that are in place already to combat the disability hate crime by the DWP.
The reason is the DWP have already put you through to the Health Assessment Advisory Service who have sent you the threats of suspending your benefit if you don`t fill out the bogus questionnaire. Already the DWP have jumped the gun before I have signed the scrap of paper called a ESA50. It is Maximus who run the Health Assessment Advisory Service & are pissed off because they want their cash cow. Since I have not signed the threats have no meaning because I am not with or Contracted to maximus for a public benefit claim & form. So maximus make their report back to the DWP making up false claims that are a criminal matter unless the false claims are removed. Don`t forget I did not sign a contract.
This is the same implied threats that ‘work programme’ providers make: “If you don’t sign the paperwork [waive your rights under the Data Protection Acts] we won’t be able to ‘talk’ to the jobcentre, so you won’t get paid.” Of course it is all horseshit. Another trick these cunts try is withholding travel expenses if you don’t sign your life away to these bastards.
Of course if you ask these cunts to put their (implied) threats in writing… 😉
I would like your threats & actions in writing.
Yes, I was going to mention this too. Will add later.
WORKING LINKS are lowlife bastards of the worst kind. Truly the most disgusting type of people, benefiting from the misfortunes of others.
geoff
my thoughts, although i’ve never done it, is to return the form with proof of postage to the dwp unsigned and see what they do…
Papa Tullo – Straight To The Government
Rico Rodriguez : The Specials’ trombonist dies aged 80
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34162351
Steppin’, I love your reggae uploads even though i can’t understand a word they’re singing.
Thanks sian
sad news about rico
RICO – Dial Africa
Rico Rodriguez – Ska wars
“NICE ONE STEVEN”
From: Steven Preece
4 September 2015
Dear Department for Work and Pensions,
Please provide me statistics showing the number of people who have
died whilst their claim for social security benefits is processed
by decision makers.
You recently published statistics showing the number of benefit
claimants who sadly died after there benefits claim was closed,
whilst declaring: “It’s irresponsible to suggest a causal link
between the death of an individual and their benefit claim”.
However, it remains unclear as to how many people have passed away
whilst waiting for their claim to be reviewed and processed –
otherwise known as the ‘assessment phase’ for Employment and
Support Allowance (ESA).
This, in itself, is a matter of public interest. Because it
possibly draws into question the speed at which claims are fully
processed and full benefits awarded – particularly for terminally
ill claimants.
Please also provide data showing the waiting times for ESA claims
to be processed, including an average, with particular attention
paid to claims made by terminally ill claimants.
Please include the number of terminally ill people who died whilst
waiting for their claim to be processed and benefits awarded..
Yours faithfully,
Mr Steven Preece [editor]
http://www.welfareweekly.com
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/deaths_whilst_esa_claim_is_proce#incoming-701964
Yes, thank you Steven Preece. I have been waiting 16 months now for my appeal to the Support group to be considered.
Snap – I’ve Got The power
[1989] Chill Rob G – Let The Words Flow (Vocal Mix)
And here’s one for my rotten MP Stephen Crabb with regards to not signing off my sanction appeal complaint to the Parliamentary Ombudsman.
Morrissey – The more you ignore me, the closer I get
Beware!
I bear more grudges
Than lonely high court judges
When you sleep
I will creep
Into your thoughts
Like a bad debt
That you can’t pay
Take the easy way
And give in
Yeah, and let me in
Oh, let me in
Oh let me
Oh, let me in
It’s war
It’s war
It’s war
It’s war
It’s war
War
War
War
War
Oh, let me in
Ah, the closer I get
Ah, you’re asking for it
Ah, the closer I get
Ooh, the closer I
“I bear more grudges
Than lonely high court judges”
Ah, the ‘genius’ of Morrissey….. 😀
“I bear more grudges
Than lonely high court judges”
Ah, the ‘genius’ of Morrissey… 😀
This is rich – coming from him! The treacherous cowards, the Lib Dems were more than happy to help to prop up the Tory bastards and keep them in ‘power’ for 5 terrible years .
Now, after leaving office, Vince Cable is shedding the shit down on his former ‘colleagues’ – even revealing that he was offered a place in the filthy pig-sty (together with it’s full troughs of money & expenses) that is the Hours of Lords. It makes good reading, – but I, for one will not be buying a copy of ‘his memoirs’! The story can be found at:
http://www.talktalk.co.uk/news/uk/article/vince-cable-hits-out-at-ugly-tribal-prejudices-of-tories-in-memoir/180578/
In addition, if he had entered that hallowed and prestigious pig-sty that is known as the House of Loungers, then he could have been given the title ‘Lord Cable of Bullshit and Hogwash’!!
He could have been made for life, like all of the other rich and lazy, sleazy and corrupt bastards.
Also, I would’nt be too surprised if Judge Mark Rowland does’nt get in there too eventually. He will have ‘served the Tories very well’ – and he would be well rewarded for his efforts. He is just as much a murderer as IDS is.
Imagine all those young male immigrants signing on at the local jobcentre with their translators and aid workers – will they understand the jcp cocept of work?
its going to be a riot
I fully expect more than one riot – there are going to be loads of them – there is going to be chaos when all of these refugees arrive on out shores!
If they are refugees they won’t be entitled to UK benefits and will only get vouchers that can only be used in predetermined shops like Tescos. If there are riots, it will be down to the inhuman conditions in which many are forced to live. As for work ethic, I’m sure they have that by the bagful, as many of them are highly qualified and university educated. It’s a shame that they aren’t actually allowed to work, as due to years of government neglect and lack of investment in the local population, many refugees have skills that are in great demand.
sib – “It’s a shame that they aren’t actually allowed to work” – Yeah, that’s right, take more jobs from the uk nationals.
PS I bet anyone whp’s ever been sanctioned would be glad of a tescos voucher, instead of the nothing that they receive instead.
I appreciate your concern for jobs JCP it is hard enough for anyone to get work, but over the last few months Cameron and Co have been saying, the migrants are trying to force their way into Britain and it is just not true they are desperate refugees, who if they stayed in their own country who be tortured or even killed, the are escaping an intolerable state that leaves them with very little freedom. thee not here to get work, but to have somewhere to stay while the conflict at home is resolved, and it should be resolved because they are only going to take over the country here eventually, if they are allowed to carry on as they are. We are all part of the same world and think everybody in the world ought to be looked after in their time of need, it would be impossible to take all the refugees into this country as we are only a small island, but we can take our fair share and what we can manage. Don’t fall for the governments lies.
“He said: “But the Tories appeared to have an exceptional ability to compartmentalise, to commit political murder with a charming smile.””
Miss out the word “political” and you have the perfect description of them.
i predict a riot – no chance – they will probably be excused looking for work and excused sanctions.
demand parity….
Fellow JCP Sufferer/Customer – they will probably be more than happy to work loads of hours for very little pay. Our wages risk being dropped down and down and down. As for signing on & sanctions – do’nt expect so – you’re most probably right!
Too right, pity nobheads like sibrydionmawr who keep trotting out the ‘racist’ rhetoric can’t or don’t want to see that. Embacing what sibrydionmawr suggests is like slitting your own throat. Mass immigration only has, and only over benefits the rich to the detriment of the poor.
Too right, pity nobheads like sibrydionmawr who keep trotting out the ‘racist’ rhetoric can’t or don’t want to see that. Embracing what sibrydionmawr suggests is like slitting your own throat. Mass immigration only has, and only over benefits the rich to the detriment of the poor.
“NEVER SIGN THIS ON AN ESA 50 QUESTIONNAIRE, THE DWP ARE BREAKING THE LAW OTHERWISE, SHARING YOUR INFORMATION WITH A THIRD PARTY”
I agree
that
– the Department for Work and Pensions
– any Healthcare Professional advising the
Department
– any organisation with which the Department has
a contract for the provision of assessment
services
may ask any of the people or organisations I have
mentioned on this form for any information which
is needed to deal with
– this claim for benefit
– any request for this claim to be looked at again
and that the information may be given to that
Healthcare Professional or organisation or to the
Department or any other government body as
permitted by law.
THE DWP ARE FUCKED WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT…………………
AND EVEN IF YOU HAVE GIVEN IT, YOU CAN RETRACT IT………….
“HOW THE DWP FUCK YOU OVER”
3. The Work Capability assessment (WCA) non medical face to face assessment (which legally has more in common with a claimant talking to a Jobcentre Plus advisor) now carries more weight within the Decision Making process than that of Highly Qualified medical staff. (It somewhat says, you are good enough to treat, operate on us, but your qualified medical opinion is worth nothing to the DWP)
4. ATOS Healthcare have not been declaring correctly to Information Commissioner. You can read more about this here http://r-force.org/blog/?p=75 basically they are a Data Controller in the Capacity of the WCA, but according to ICO records they have not even registered the capacity as a processor for this contract, never mind being a Data Controller.
5. Claimants are told to go to an appeal to challenge the use of the WCA report in removing their benefit, however an appeal only deals with a challenge to the Decision, made by a Decision Maker, it does not address the WCA Report in any way.
6. Now this is the real bombshell, Right of Superssession, (Social Security Act 1998, DWP Regs 1999), not even a single one of the 100’s of 1000’s of Migrations to Employment Support Allowance carried by the Incapacity Benefit Reassessment Team. Have had a supersession carried out on their existing award of benefit. What this actually means is that their existing awards of benefit have been terminated in err of law. Yep a £Multi Billion fraud, endorsed by Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith MP and the Department of Work and Pensions. They did attempt to Administratively side step the law via Declaration 5, Page 18 ESA50 Questionnaire, which allows them to ‘retrospectively’ apply this and other evidence, however this administrative process does not overrule the existing law.
Geoff
How do I retract my ESA 50 signature?
Send a letter, recorded delivery to the DWP, expressing the fact that you no longer wish to share your medical records with a third party entity, nor agree to a medical examination by a hcp working on behalf of a third party entity.
… at a Jobcentre near you from Friday 👿 👿
It get you out of the appeals system & direct action in putting back false claims made on my claim.
Because I am correcting a claim that was made with false claims I am the one not breaking criminal laws.
It is said all over you need to complete [not fill out] 2 forms for ESA. So where`s the real ESA form? Maximus is filling it out for you with false claims.
Saturday Night?
Some more jollies from the Parquet Courts
Parquet Courts – Black and White at Glastonbury 2014
Parquet Courts “Pretty Machines”
“MORE BULLSHIT FROM THE DWP BECAUSE YOU WON’T SIGN THE CONSENT FORM”
The Decision Maker on behalf of the Secretary of State for the Department of Work and pensions (Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith MP) will declare, that because the claimant has redacted this declaration that they have ‘failed to return the questionnaire’, and that person will be declared as ‘not having limited capability for work’.
…………..BUT YOU HAVE RETURNED THE QUESTIONNAIRE, NOT GIVEN CONSENT
but that’s what they do geoff is always create a dispute….
……………and that’s why a lawyer worth his salt or a UN HUMAN RIGHTS INSPECTOR, should walk all over these bastards.
they create millions of disputes even if they go to the supreme court they appeal the ruling…i say nip in the bud, this is the opp but they don’t…the trouble is that many agree with the WCA….
That`s why the DWP don`t like talking about it over the phone because it is being recorded for legal & training reasons. Also the DWP are scared to put it in writing because the threat & letter comes from Maximus.
The ESA is the weakest point of the welfare reform. Break the ESA & the WCA will follow being crushed.
ESA = DWP Contracted Out Nudge Unit For Consent Questionaire.
Same thing with the ‘work programme’ if you politely decline they’re ‘kind offer’ to sign your life away the ‘work programme’/DWP will interpret it as ‘not participating’. Of course it is utter horse shit and has now been established as such after one of their victims challenged the bastards.
And/or …
Work Programme Minion:-
“You’re not going to sign even this one? In that case, my hands are tied; I’m not going to be able to provide our full support package”… (continue job searching as JCP- agreement & attend WP office for repeated versions of the same discussion regarding search/progress at regular intervals for the next 2 years, or till you escape. No guaranteed exemptions from the wp’s extensive follow-up/harassment will apply tho, in particular should they manage to glean any slight clue about where they think you may have escaped to/they have any home contact details (which they will).
Just been looking at Frank Zola’s FOI request on David Rahman. There are 8 modules to his Press Pause to Play programme.
‘Module 4 begins with recap of previous session
• The 3 R’s are presented and discussed. [Real Ruthless Relentless]
• The Attitude of Gratitude is presented and discussed in detail / group exercise
• The Blinker exercise is demonstrated for the clients, who then repeat the exercise.
• Group Duffel coat exercise performed.
• Homework (a)’Blame diet’, (b)practice attitude of gratitude daily exercise, (c)3R’s’
Duffel coat exercise 😉 😉 😉
What a load of tosh.
And why has his name been redacted on the tender document?
sorry Group Duffel coat exercise.
David Rahman
‘practice’ is the noun. It should be ‘practise’ (verb).
You don`t want to see our David getting pissed off or do you !!!
Now Calm Down David remember your David with healing words of wisdom.
David do you every change your jumper or do you only have one jumper !!! Not good for youtube PR.
😉
I hate, hate, hate bastard Tories, send them to be cannon fodder in the next war.
Well said Johannes – I wonder if they are softening people up to shortly announce another US led ‘war’ – this time in Syria (which they said they would never do!). The Brits would ‘have’ to go in to, as the US would expect them to! More millions and millions of £’s spent leaving another ‘vacuum’ behind when its all over – even more turmoil than it is now.
In the Middle-East this is a western ‘intervention’ thing that always happens. I am wondering if the current ‘refugee’ wall to wall coverage is to do with this and to produce a smoke and mirrors effect before announcing something before too long.
‘David Cameron facing Bedroom Tax rebellion from his OWN MPs’
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-facing-bedroom-tax-6389468
There is no real bedroom tax rebellion among the tory toffs, it is nothing more than a facade to rid them of the shit that will fly when the UN inspectors arrive.
Rather than Cameron having been made a fool of, the conservatives are looking for a quick and easy get out clause.
What better way to disassociate yourselves from a crime against humanity, by making out the party is not happy………………..
One thing is for certain, if the bedroom tax is repealed, nobody will see any of their money again.
The UN inspectors criticised the bedroom tax and the subsistence levels of benefits and pensions paid in the UK in their last reports. Since then the pensions and benefits have undergone a right hammering.
DWP DEATHS WILL TAKE CENTRE STAGE WHEN PARLIAMENT CONVENES
April 2015
‘Michael Portillo says desperate Mediterranean refugees should be ‘dumped on a Libyan beach”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/michael-portillo-says-desperate-mediterranean-5573173
and PORTALOO WANTS TO FUCK OFF BACK TO SPAIN……….
😉
… dumped on a Libyan beach.
Could be a better prospect than being dumped on a soulless Scottish housing scheme.
Michael Portillo is a twat – it`s official. So there.
Latest News: Sunday Times tomorrow: 15,000 refugees expected to be accepted into the UK (I should imagine that it will turn into a lot more than this figure in the future!)
sian – thanks for the ‘Bedroom Tax’ link – at last – Cameron getting attacked by someone – that makes a welcome change! The Tories have this idea of a ‘One Nation’ Britain – do’nt think so – Britain is already becoming very separated due to their own divicive policies – not least in separating the rich and the very rich from the poor and the very poor. His Government per se is just as mad and delusional as IDS is about how ‘real’ people live. They are in their ivory towers and have absolutely no idea how most people live and ‘survive’ their dreadful policies.
It’s all to do with distance, distance yourselves well away from those that you bully relentlessly and you face no dissent.
Do it to someone in a public bar and you would expect a Glasgow kiss or a switchblade.
Bullies rely on being distant, it is up to the disenfranchised to take the fight to them…………..
………………..see how they run
same with the DWP, they rely on some weak, soda jerk to post bad news in brown envelopes. They hate confrontation and have to use goons to hide behind.
My health conditions are:
involucrum fulvus morbus (brown envelope disease)
involucrum albus morbus (white envelope disease)
Brown Envelope = DWP + JCP
White Envelope = ATOS and/or Maximus
All SCUM and guaranteed to ruin your mental and physical health and your life in general.
Shit-stained envelope = Working Links
Shit-stained envelope = Working Links
Guaranteed to turn your life to SHIT!!
What’s brown and smells like shit? An induction letter inviting? you to two years of misery with sewer rats ‘WORKING LINKS’
lol at the piss-take way they always say: “Thank you for coming in”. As if you had any choice… unless you wanted to lose your benefits……
(I should imagine that it will turn into a lot more than this figure in the future!)
The present immigrant incursion into Europe is only the foremost division, the advance guard to probe the reaction of European Leaders.
And the first thing they do when they invade another country is breed like wildfire, so they can legitimately say that their kids are British, German, wherever-they-land citizens. These fuckers who encourage, engender, foster and support this mass immigration ‘open door’ policy – war criminal Tony Blair and Angela Merkel to name but two – are TRAITORS to the indigenous population. The whole fabric of society is being torn down round about us. There is not social cohesion any more – it is every man/woman/immigrant for themselves. A socially fragmented society is ripe for being trampled into the ground and it is these fuckers who we are welcoming in with welcome arms who will be the one ones who will turn on the indigenous population and do the trampling. Shame on the media and particularly that hard-working licence fee payer fucking propaganda machine the BB-fucking-C for their obsequious, almost grovelling attitude to these fucking insurgents – Auntie Beeb you fucking traitor!
We should all just ‘down tools’,stop working, stop paying taxes, stop feeding the fucking monster that is destroying us. This country is going to the dogs.
Remember when the treacherous Labour party said they only expected a ‘handful’ of Poles to enter the UK when war monger Blair flung open the doors. At the time we all knew Blair was talking utter horse shit and how right we were as millions of Poles swarmed in. Now the scum-bag Labour party have said it was a ‘mistake’ and ‘apologised’ but the knew all along what would happen and that was their intent. Now we have the same bullshit being spouted about only a ‘handful’ of this latest wave being let in, but traitors – the tartan traitors haggis-munching Nicola Sturgeon and fat fascist Alex Salmond to name but three – know full well that they intend to swamp the UK with million of these locusts.
Paul – oh well, I guess that signals an increase in sanctions to pay for it all then…
…and even less menial jobs available for our guys as the illegal workers will work for less than the minimum wage – and we all know less available jobs mean more sanctions anyway…
Fellow JCP Sufferer/Customer – Yes indeed – mark my words, they’ll rue the day that they ever agreed to all this. We are only a small island and we do not have the infrastructure to deal with it.
10000-15000 is probably only the tip of the iceberg to what is actually going to happen in the future. One person said on here that these are probably testing the resolve of western europe leaders and peoples.
I agree. The more ‘open’ we are, the more are likely to arrive in the future. And yes, we do not know (and probably cannot check) whether some of these may be ISIS also!
So sad to see all this vitriol against those less fortunate, (refugees). Be angry, by all means, but direct it towards the real culprits, the rich, the politicians and the war mongers, NOT fellow victims, for this is what all the refugees, whether fleeing war or poverty are.
The Tories, of all persuasions want you to think in the way that you currently and seemingly increasingly do – have you asked yourself why?
It might seem counter-intuitive, but by being in favour of helping refugees you are also in fact helping yourself. Think about it.
PS
I’m actually somewhat surprised that JV hasn’t commented himself on this kind of misanthropic post.
sib
excellent post… you’ve intervened and good on you for doing so…it’s really up to us to post our feelings topically as we see fit to post….
Thanks OBD – I’m actually really saddened that some of those who I held in some regard have commented in a manner that makes me want to question their humanity. They may not realise it but they are on the slippery slope towards supporting nazism, seeing the refugee as somehow less deserving than someone who has the dubious benefit of being a UK national.
sib – see my reply to my earlier comment, to which I would like to add that in addition to the mps not paying anything for the refugees it will not be the royals who pay for the refugees either, and again, scream “racist” all you like.
I’m against letting them in for two reasons. First, they work for less money, which as we don’t have decent trade unions pushes down wages and increases unemployment. Second, it only takes a handful of ISIS terrorists to get in and start murdering people and the government will have the excuse to abolish what civil liberties we have left.
Thomas – yes you are right there!
So join a decent union and make a fucking difference – try the IWW (but don’t come out with your contrived xenophobic shit, as you will quickly be shown the door if you don’t rapidly wise up).
Thomas – I agree – the perfect camouflage is a crowd…sib is talking idiotic nonsense as usual, and Johnny will not ban us for saying so or for saying we cannot cope with the refugees.
E.G. – I’d say this:-
Yes, you’re right they do. It goes back to when you wanted a very set & narrow definition of work to be what everyone recognised. There are exceptions to many definitions that incorporate groups of people as we’re so varied it’s difficult to categorise us – or can be.
I know braveheart’s not true (it was based on some historical events?). I’ve never seen it; also not seen star wars but know it is fiction. The film about the Mexican artist is a depiction of her life and it’s well known, at least among (some) art lovers/devoted admirers of hers that she began to paint after a bus accident seriously injured her (you’re right again – it’s not entirely unique; others do manage great feats and their talent/determination wins out). This post led to discussions/different views about who is valued within society and what is accepted/not accepted as ‘making a contribution’ – what counts as ‘work’ though, and if someone lying in bed for days at a time can come within the dictionary definition. Words are just signposts – or they can be.
You’d need to watch the film closely to see the part where the Mexican DWP sanctions Salma Hayek – it’s ok if I’m not spelling her name right, that’s not something I’m too worried about, although you might be – also ok, but not a reason to try to belittle/point-score. This isn’t a linguistic competition or a spelling test site.
*The Mexican DWP aren’t really part of the film – that was an attempt to inject some ‘humour’ by placing something out of context/time into a historical fictional drama (like they did in blackadder). Often, people find jokes like that ‘funny’ due to their being so clearly ridiculous that it becomes funny ~ but we don’t all share the same sense of humour. (You did ask – final answer).
Ps. Not everyone is out to ‘get’ you or try to humiliate/trip you or others up & you seem to revert to doing that sooner or later. This site’s about the opposite – one reason why contributors lose interest if we can’t sometimes just ‘agree to disagree’ or with people who repeatedly pick arguments, then make personal comments. If you genuinely don’t know you’re doing this, have a look back; if you do know, you’re not fooling anyone.
Oops – comment in completely the wrong place. Orwell, never mind …
sn
is that still posting have you not seen the blunder it made yet…??
TIREDNESS IS INVOLUNTARY…
sn
it seems it forgot logic when it defined work…
Danny – I most certainly do not! Laziness is VOLUNTARY lack of work, and almost all work involves toil. People who expect work NOT to involve toil are lazy! so if one is tired it’s not being lazy…
OBD – Please don’t add things to what I said, it’s dishonest.
you cannot call a tired person lazy….is what i’m saying….
There’s a limit to how long one can claim to be too tired to work before it becomes clear that it IS laziness, unless one has a specific medical condition which is causing chronic tiredness.
no that’s not the point, it’s got nothing to do with chronic tiredness you said laziness is; ‘Laziness is VOLUNTARY lack of work, and almost all work involves toil. People who expect work NOT to involve toil are lazy!’ all tiredness is involuntary and only the tired person can judge or knows if they are too tired to work and/or continue working @ anytime during work and/or other circumstances or not….TIREDNESS IS INVOLUNTARY…
“TIREDNESS IS INVOLUNTARY” – No it isn’t! I worked hard yesterday, including shovelling and barrowing a couple of tonnes of chippings and sand and I was a bit tired… because I CHOSE to do the work!
Either you’re tired because you’ve done some work, or you’re tired because you’re ill. What other reason is there?
el
in fact working/doing, forcing oneself to work, which is bad for long term health and known to be so, when one is tired is definitely not laziness nor is not working when tired…tiredness is involuntary….your logic is based on false premise which requires you to think again…
Tiredness is a temporary condition, unless there is an underlying medical cause. Being forced to work when one is not physically capable of it is a completely different matter, and nothing to do with being either tired or lazy. You are conflating different terms in an effort to explain or justify your own situation, which as far as I know may be dire.
OH DEAR OH DEAR OH DEAR you’re very hard work that’s for sure give it up and rethink your wrong and you know you are…please don’t squander my efforts…tiredness requires is recovery from anaerobic respiration see krebbs cycle as well, until one is RARING TO GO, never heard that expression before, if one is not raring to go one is not fit for work…
I’ll try again – Either you’re tired because you’ve done some work, or you’re tired because you’re ill. What other reason is there?
TIREDNESS IS INVOLUNTARY you can persist all you like with your denial it makes no difference to me nor other posters who know i’m in truth, you defined laziness as voluntary lack of work ….. too much hard work with too little rest destroys body and shortens life span, look @ sports people their careers and the efforts they make to pump themselves up adrenal energy which is bad energy, and recover….eventually they’re too worn out to recover quickly RECOVER QUICKLY… if one is tired because one has done some work and do not work for a while or @ all coz they need to recover from that work, is not because they’re not lazy…you have claimed that they are…our working cycles and lives are no longer natural….if one is tired from previous work one has not fully recovered so one has to PUMP one’s self up to continue or restart work when one is tired if one does not, it’s not because one is lazy..
typo; is not because they’re not lazy, should read, it’s not because they’re lazy as you claim,,,,
Oh dear, you’re suffering from the same logic problem AGAIN! I said laziness is a voluntary lack of work, but that doesn’t mean that everybody who’s not working is lazy! Some are, some aren’t. It depends if you CHOOSE not to work.
now the former part of your statement has been considered i’ll move on to consider the latter part of your statement portion as i’ve posted thus ‘Laziness is VOLUNTARY lack of work…
the word ‘work’ and the manifoldly complex implication of the word work, in the sense you’re using it, as your avoiding/preventing moving the conversation with your usual procrastination’s…i’ll ask what do you mean by the word work in this context….? i see it’s use in this/your context as the founding of all human needs…as you make this sweeping generalization without qualifying them, i want you to do so now….
el
you still haven’t responded to my above post re your definition of work in context to your statement fragment….’laziness is a voluntary LACK of WORK…’ that i pointed out you failed to define shortly after you made it…
I answered it at 2:42 pm.
rubbish, you have a very ltd edition dictionary to only one in that case…. for example what’s enough work for one person, how many hrs a week @ what rate of pay, how much is their food bill, how about accommodation costs….
the list goes on and on under the umbrella of your sweeping statements…
EG
Either you’re tired because you’ve done some work, or you’re tired because you’re ill. What other reason is there?
It’s very tiring reading some of your useless posts, – which is all of them.
AFM – There’s a simple solution which obviously hasn’t occurred to you – Don’t read them!
oh well i tried, others get what i’m saying i’m sure of it you said laziness is voluntary lack of work as tiredness is not voluntary your statements holds no water…so if one chooses not to abuse themselves by working when they are tired it’s not because they’re lazy, but because they’re tired…
tiredness is involuntary…your statement, ‘laziness is voluntary lack of work’ is therefore false…
ps you interfered in a social process with stepping when i asked for steppings help which stepping was glad to give…you butted in as usual and defined what you thought was laziness is, therefore you gave your definition of it then you said ‘look it up yourself you lazy git’…but i was not being lazy as i was tried…
Similarly, if I choose never to work then I’m lazy. Therefore laziness is voluntary lack of work.
tiredness is not a choice, it’s biology, we’re human beings who get tired what ever we do if one is tired by cause of anything we do as human beings, choosing not to overcome tiredness by pumping oneself up is not being lazy….
perpetual motion has not been realized yet we do the best we can…
stop making stupid crass generalizations that fit into your narrow world view…
Ha ha ha! You claim you were too tired to do a Google search, but you were obviously not too tired to post multiple messages! Are you lying now?
you’re a fucking idiot….
i’m fairly rested atm i know my subjects but i am getting tired now….
Ah, you’re tired now are you? I wonder when you’ll be sufficiently recovered to start posting again!!!
why do you want to know…?? have you got some thing interesting to say or will you continue to post your delusions as if they’re facts, the latter i suspect as always..
So now you’re not tired! To answer your question (yet again!) – Curiosity about this idle online subculture……
what’s it got to do with you if i’m tired or not….??
in case you hadn’t notice we’re learning too about the tory/right wing culture, why else do you think jv allows you to post here…??
after all tom pride bumped you off and/or kept you very tightly controlled…
If it’s none of my business whether you’re tired or not, then why the fuck do you keep telling me!
after i told you why i asked stepping it become none of your business but you brought it up again so i responded to you keeping on asking….
Rubbish! You said you were tired because you know you’ve been talking drivel.
Tiredness is NOT involuntary. I know that work will make me tired, but I choose to do it and therefore I choose to be tired!
I think you are confusing the tiredness that a strong and healthy individual feels, when they have done a good days work, and in the morning they feel better and are ready to go again. But OBD is talking about the tiredness you feel when you are ill, and not everybody’s body improves with exercise, some peoples health goes down ill, when they get up they usually feel worse, and just as tired as they are when the went to bed. It is clear you have been very privileged in life you do not know what it is for life to be hard and you take for granted work, you take for granted that you have always had work. Why are you moaning about other people not working? why do you resent them? Is it that you do not like work yourself? would you like to not have a job? would you yourself like to laze around all day in bed? Why are making all this fuss with your ignorant idiocy? Go and find out for what life is really like? Go and live like the so-called lazy spongers, you propose the sick and disabled and the unfortunate unemployed live like? If it is so good go and give up your job. If you do you will know, it may seem like a good idea for about a week, but after that, you will not like it. Go and live life in the real world then you would come out with your technically invalid arguments and your petty comments.
maria
i agree with much of what you say but tiredness is involuntary, one cannot prevent tiredness otherwise we wouldn’t sleep and rest, we’d be on the go 24/7/365, sports people would never retire etc…not working until one’s energy is nr and/or fully recovered is not laziness but common sense….
[Sigh] – No Maria, I’m not confusing them. I’ve already talked several times about chronic tiredness due to illness. And you’re wrong AGAIN, that’s NOT what OBD was talking about. He said very clearly “no that’s not the point, it’s got nothing to do with chronic tiredness”.
“Why are you moaning about other people not working? why do you resent them?”
Because I resent people who lie and cheat to get benefits when they don’t need them, because that leaves less for desperate people who DO need them.
el
‘Because I resent people who lie and cheat to get benefits when they don’t need them, because that leaves less for desperate people who DO need them…..’ no! it it estimated that £12bn/yr goes unclaimed….do you even know what the JSA budget is or the conditionality involved in claiming SS or the level of sanctions…which leads to the rise in food banks, and severe hardship for many..
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/sep/10/britains-unclaimed-benefit-billions
OBD – Does that mean you’re happy for some people (including at least one on this site) to lie and cheat to get benefits which they don’t need? Yes or no?
more questions you said you resent people coz they rob others that is not true will you now retract that false statement….
OBD – If you think people who steal benefits are not robbing society then I fundamentally disagree with your morals. I think that makes you no better than them. Or maybe you ARE one of them……
you made false statement will you now retract it…? like i’ve said before your logic is based on false premise, your false statement is proof of that….
OBD – Which statement do you think is false?
I work as an IT contractor and when I am ‘between jobs’ I live off of my ‘savings’. There is no fucking way on God’s earth I would set inside a jobcentre to be fill in a mountain of forms, be subject to harassment, state intrusion and be sent on a slave labour scheme for a few shekels a week. Is this ‘unclaimed JSA’ or is this ‘unclaimed JSA’?
set *foot inside a jobcentre
linux
no not all the JSA bill is approx £4bn/yr some ests put the amount unclaimed @ £16bn/yr, much PGC hb ct over £5.6bn/yr goes unclaimed then through the pension age escalator even more £bns are lost in pensioner spending power, leading of course to an increase in poverty…
the est amount of fraud is less than statistical error @ 0.7% much more is lost in admin errors…then there are claw backs through sanctions and MR appeal drop outs etc which is nr the root causes and also @ the root causes of the sufferings, millions now are forced to endure…eandsa coupled to WCA is @ the heart of much of this suffering….
https://skwalker1964.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/most-jobseeker-agreements-ruled-unlawful-and-the-dwp-doesnt-care/
Linux – I feel very similarly to you. However, I’m also lucky enough to own my own house and a piece of land where I can grow food. I can live very cheaply and I would have to be totally desperate before I would try to claim state money to live. The sad fact is that many people ARE that desperate, whilst others (such as some on this web site) lie in order to claim benefits they don’t need.
el
you said; ‘Because I resent people who lie and cheat to get benefits when they don’t need them, because that leaves less for desperate people who DO need them…..’ no! it it estimated that £12bn/yr goes unclaimed….do you even know what the JSA budget is or the conditionality involved in claiming SS or the level of sanctions…which leads to the rise in food banks, and severe hardship for many.. DO YOU NOW RETRACT YOUR FALSE STATEMENT, and the false premise therefore that is the basis of your logic….
So OBD – Apparently you think the money which is left unclaimed by the people who are entitled to it should be given to people who lie and cheat to get benefits when they don’t need them! Are you one of the benefits cheats?
you have made a false claim and you’re not prepared to retract it, this says more about your morals than anyone else’s…..
you say that desperate people need them, yes they do, when they don’t have a job they are desperate, it doesn’t matter what their attitudes are, there isn’t enough paid work, employers use slaves from other countries and don’t pay them enough, even some migrants who are willing to accept lower than average wage. The employer take them on instead of paying people in this country a decent wage, a wage in what people need to survive in this country because everything is so much so expensive. There are not enough jobs anyway. So you are moaning for the sake of moaning, but you will find that its not the people at the top at fault, it is the big companies, as I said before, not paying a wage, its fuel companies, food companies and landlords charging a fortune for basics of life, and then the big companies themselves for not paying the tax this country requires them to pay. So you Elbow Grease are paying the tax they should be paying. Those are the real problems not people on the sick, not people on the dole, you have been lead to believe by the government. Who has made you angry Elbow Grease? its the daily newspapers and he governments propaganda.
OBD No I didn’t say I didn’t disagree with you, I think what you are trying to say is we all have our limits, what seems like no work at all to some people can be the vey limit for other people, and its not just illness some people are incapable, some have no physical strength some have no physical stamina, some people can think all day others can’t, but it is not just limited to sickness or disability. And like you say if you do too much, in a short time, or a long time depending, eventually people become ill and useless. I like work but as far as physically keeping up to something, I’m doomed, I can’t be social at least not face to face as I am deaf and often misunderstand what people are saying, so in terms of accuracy in work, it would just not work. But mentally I am capable of going all day and that is the job I need, somewhere I can use my brain. But that can be easily mistaken as laziness, I get that prejudice too, but it is simply not true. These days employers want to pay as little as possible and at the same time push people to performing in work on extreme targets, that is just not right , its using people and then when they are worn out, they think it alright to just chuck them away, but then complain when their only option left to live is claim benefits.
maria
as tiredness is involuntary, it’s not laziness not to want to work when one is tired…..and no one should be forced by others to overcome, by whatever methods are used and there are many, tiredness, as this is abuse…
Its called being decent to each other and respecting each other. I like the people on here because I find they speak the truth
Maria – How do you know they’re speaking the truth?
but it’s not being lazy if one chooses too or not too work when tired..you claim laziness is not overcoming tiredness which as tiredness is involuntary your statement ‘laziness is voluntary lack of work’ is nonsense…
you cannot choose to be tired you can choose to overcome it it by pumping yourself up etc….or you can say fuck this i need to rest…neither is being lazy….
I would be very interested to know how you overcome tiredness by “pumping yourself up etc”. The mind boggles!
OBD But I’m not saying I don’t disagree with you at all, I do agree with you, maybe I didn’t explain my point properly.
maria
i know you’re not was just clarifying, that’s all… 🙂
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Perhaps you two should get a room!
Yes obd, you’re so dishonest! On the bright side though (!) worse things have been said. it’s not easy listening to and seeing some of the vitriol that’s spilling out.
The situation is bad & set to get worse ~ where should the lines of compassion/defending the rights of hb’s to the basics of a decent life be drawn? When does it become ok to refer to large groups of (other) people as just ‘they’ and ‘them’? What do ‘homeless’ and ‘voluntarily homeless’ mean …
obd – thanks for your words – I would say several of the people who claim JSA and several of the people on this blog exaggerate (and rightly so) the time they have spent looking for work, as the demands to look for work for hours and hours cannot be met. It doesn’t mean they are any less in need of benefits than those who actually spend 35 mind-numbing hours looking for work as specified by the jobcentreminus.
https://skwalker1964.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/most-jobseeker-agreements-ruled-unlawful-and-the-dwp-doesnt-care/
Yes obd, you’re so dishonest! On the bright side though (!) worse things have been said. it’s not easy listening to and seeing some of the vitriol that’s spilling out.
The situation is bad & set to get worse ~ where should the lines of compassion/defending the rights of hb’s to the basics of a decent life be drawn? When does it become ok to refer to large groups of (other) people as just ‘they’ and ‘them’? What do ‘homeless’ and ‘voluntarily homeless’ mean …
Well, no. I was disputing OBD’s claim that if a person is alive then they must be working. That definition is so absurdly wide that it becomes meaningless. I’m not looking for a definition because, like most rational people, I’m happy to use the normally accepted one, which we can all read in a dictionary.
If you are saying that somebody who writes or paints whilst physically incapacitated is working then I agree, but then so would any rational person, and so does the dictionary definition. If that’s your point then I have to say it’s a statement of bleedin’ obvious.
The subtext of the OBD attitude (commonly seen on this web site) is, of course, self justification.
P.S. Why do you post on here?
To keep you amused and waste as much of your time as possible, it also stops you from causing trouble elsewhere.
AFM – In that case I suggest you stop posting, because you haven’t made me laugh yet and you’re not wasting my time. You’ve also totally failed to stop me from causing trouble elsewhere, and neither you nor anyone else ever will!
BTW, the question was supposed to be to shirleynott…
As a pretentious moron, I find it makes sense to seek out other similarly like-minded people. In particular, it’s enjoyable to have an ongoing discourse with those who are antagonistic, full of anger and self-loathing and don’t hold back in passing that on to others (who they don’t know/will never meet).
It’s always fun to be asked to justify and prove any and every assertion/s – although they might just be from personal and subjective opinion, formed from individual experience, by someone who doesn’t ‘get’ or ‘do’ levity.
The main reason, though, is that it’s (generally speaking) one of just a very few places to come to find insightful & thought-provoking information about the state of the nation, free & open 24/7.
shirley – I assume you were referring to me, but the sad thing is that you’ve hit a nail on the head with regard to this site and others like it when you say “those who are antagonistic, full of anger and self-loathing and don’t hold back in passing that on to others (who they don’t know/will never meet)”.
P.S. If you did mean me then I don’t think I’m “antagonistic, full of anger and self-loathing”. However, I’m plainly very argumentative, angry about some things, and I try to be self-critical.
I’m angry about how peoples benefit has been snatched away from them, and people in desperate need are dying, because they don’t have enough help, peoples care has been cut in half not because they need care, but just to save money, I don’t like frauds either, but he aren’t as many of them as the government will have you believe and they are causing, ill, sick ad desperate people a lot of pain. While the very few frauds are still there.
Maria – Like you, I used to think that the number of people who simply like living on benefits rather than working was exaggerated by the likes of the Daily Mail and IDS. It’s the statements and attitudes of people on web sites such as this which has made me start to change my mind. Fellow JCP Sufferer/Customer is a prime example, but there are others.
Then how does JCP offend you? he does not offend me. what is it exactly that you don’t like? spit it out in it simple form not all these explanations.
Maria – See my post at 8:42 this morning.
maria
and if you take up the offer to read el’s 8.42 post…you’ll come to realize how seriously deluded el is….
EG so JCP offends you because he get up at a different time to you?
Maria – No… because he gets up at a different time from all the people who might be able to offer him a job.
el
wot and you think forms part of fellow’s jsarg why….?
fellow will already be doing much more than is required by law, with the advent of cyberspace….
https://skwalker1964.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/most-jobseeker-agreements-ruled-unlawful-and-the-dwp-doesnt-care/
Fellow – I have changed my opinion a little. If you were, for instance, my next door neighbour, I wouldn’t immediately report you. I would first try to persuade you of the immorality of defrauding the benefit system. The problem is that you have decided not to talk to me, and fear of being shown to be morally wrong is the only reason I can think of for you doing that.
el
for someone on a moral crusade and a self confessed lover of democracy you have done little to pursued others of the validity and moral nature of your arguments and as far as i can see after many posts have attracted no support to your cause….
you have not retracted your false statement, i pointed too up the thread and are not willing to discuss further points i made about your irreconcilable ‘laziness is voluntary lack of work’ argument, they collapse like a used gas filament as soon as they are touched… like i said, maybe it’s time for you to rethink the basis of your logic, and pursuance of your futile cause… as einstein said; ‘….. if it don’t work give it up and try something else…’
I’m afraid if you have never actually been on JSA you will not know what it is really like, I was on it eight years I did every they told me I applied everyday I went to two interviews every week, all the interviews they offered me I took, I did all the course I even asked for extra, I was motivated, enthusiastic, everything, went for every job, one was cleaning pigs intestines. I didn’t get that one, I got six months of short time temp work in dozens of different places in those eight years. When you get to that stage you wonder if it is really worth looking, because you are not work, you are just wasting you entire life being unproductive, if I had got the intestines job, I would say that my life a t least had a purpose. Now I did notice something while I was there, that not one employee I saw when taking the tour was English, why? because they accept less money. I know everyone needs a job but there is not enough work in the world for everyone who wants to work, so do we really need to punish people everyday people who can’t get a job, just to justify they collect some money. I’d rather swap someone for a job, and I don’t even have any benefits, I live of charity from relatives. I would swap you in cleaning toilets and do it without complaint everyday of my working life up to now, but you won’t like my life, full of rejection and frustration. But you accuse JCP of not looking for a job in the right way, what business is it of yours how he looks for employment? why don’t you ask him why he looks that way instead of assuming if people are lazy? because when I was on the dole, I went to bed and got up at all times, you know why? because of unspent energy that looking for a job doesn’t use up, and worry about getting a job and worry about if you are going to have enough money and if you can pay the bills, and will the jobcentre pay you any money next time or will you have to go and beg for it. All this keeps you up all night. That is probably why. You would shop someone because they are depressed because they are on benefits? you would let them be sanctioned and have their last lifeline cut off? its not a game or a punishment it is a matter of life and death. The difference between surviving or not, whether you choose to believe that, that is up to you, but I guarantee you its the honest truth.
Maria – Actually you’re wrong. JCP has said plainly that he’s not looking for a job at all, because he thinks god has got a different plan for him.
I think you have told some of your job-hunting story before, and about living on your parents income rather than on benefits. I wish you good fortune in finding a job.
Yes that sounds about right to me, God does have a plan for him and as a Christian myself that is one of the beliefs you have. You can fore fill God’s will in many different ways. Have you ever asked what it might be that JCP is trying to do? As for giving up looking for work, the way the jobcentre wishes you to look for work, I have found it in my own experience to be futile, I do not blame him for not looking for ways to employ himself in the governments mindless way, my own experiences prove that. But just because he has given up, doesn’t mean he does not want to work or that he wants to laze around for the sake of lazing around.
You pick on people here why? I don’t think it is right to pick on anyone.
Maria – So you think it’s morally right to lie and take benefits on the pretence that you’re looking for a job, when in fact you’re waiting for god to give you one?
Maria – Put it this way… If Fellow JCP want to lie in bed all day waiting for his god’s plan to happen, while I and many others work our socks off, he can do it with his own money, not mine.
You can ask for a 2nd opinion if that’s what you really think.
maria – elbow grease has actually said if he knew my real name he would report me to to police for not spending 35 hours of my week jobsearching.
Maria – thanks for your brilliant reply to EG. It sums up things very well. I’m sorry for you not being able to get benefits – they really do everything they can to prevent you from claiming, and in your case due to your health issues and care committments they’ve been successful, as you’ve given up in despair. It might not console you but I don’t think the job cleaning out pigs intestines was for you, and your life is worth so much more to God than what job you do. Hope your novel comes out soon and I look forward to buying it – I’m sure it will be better than most that I see on the shelves of supermarkets or (increasingly rare) bookstores.
Regarding Elbow Grease his obtuseness and irrationality and insults to many people on here including me have meant I no longer reply to his comments.
Maria – Thanks for your words of support. Elbow Grease is lying yet again. At no point did I say that I do not look for or apply for jobs, just that I don’t spend 35 hours a week looking for them as the jobcentre would have us all do. And the jobcentre already know that I go to bed late and get up late, and unlike EG do not have a problem with it! I have exaggerated the time I spend looking for work because that is the only way I can get the benefits which I, just like those (few) who actually do spend 35 hours a week jobseeking, need. I am an unashamed night owl, but that does not mean that I do not look for work when I am awake. God’s plan, and contrary to EG’s assertion I DO know what that is, is that I will in the next few months be off benefits, but Elbow Grease does not believe that, and does not believe in God. By deliberately confusing “need” with “deserve” (according to his definition of deserve) It is EG who makes an invalid argument and is the liar and the FALSE ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHEREN.
Fellow JCP – Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that the Jobcentre approves of you not getting up until 5 or 6pm almost every day? Did the Jobcentre also approve your god’s plan to get you off benefits in the next few months??? I would love to see how they signed that one off!!! You are such a bad liar!
JCP I guess as much from what he was saying I piece the meagre truth together from his words. I hope you do get off benefits because it is not a good place to be, not the holiday some people would have you believe, its downright terrible. If you had stopped looking for work, I wouldn’t have blamed you for it, because for some people looking for work, esp with the pressures of the DWP on the work for some people it is futile and you are lucky, very extremely lucky if you are able to find work these days. I wish you good luck for your future.
You can ask for a 2nd opinion if that’s what you really think.
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for someone who bangs on about the value of democracy el certainly does not practice it….el’s been heavily restricted on tom pride for doing what el is doing now, here, and been told many times on this site to get lost…but it seems lack of democractic and moral values applies to everyone else, except el…and is what el says they are…
obd – I’m sure if elbow grease lived in nazi germany he would first try to talk those who were hiding the Frank family out of deceiving the government, and then if he failed, he would report them for doing so because they would be in his eyes liars and cheats…
It is elbow grease who is morally wrong in siding with the government over their increasingly ridiculous conditionality of claiming JSA, but he is too dense to realise that…
Fellow – You fucking hypocrite!!!! You are telling lies to get money, and you think that’s the same as telling lies to avoid being murdered by Nazis??? You are one of the most morally disgusting people I’ve ever had the misfortune to encounter.
Maria, Thanks for your most recent reply. It means a lot to have a fellow Christian understand and appreciate what I am talking about re God’s plan for me. (I am ignoring the further lies and twisting of what I have said from EG, and not even going to reply to him indirectly via my reply to you.)
Elbow grease makes me fucking laugh at the drivel he has to spout off like some know-it-all.
A part-time cleaner by the name of elbow grease cleaning houses that people are too fucking lazy to do themselves is not exactly hard graft or sweaty labour like other people trying to settle their rent, food bills, mortgage, etc whilst in physical and demanding jobs in the like of factories, warehouses, distribution, construction. Need I go on any more about other types of physically demanding roles in the workplace?
Before the smart arse EL replies to me on this new post, I would like to point out that I have myself done hard graft in demanding, back-breaking jobs either paid or un-paid as a member of a heritage railway organisation clearing a disused railway line for future re-opening.
I would like to see EL himself pick up a pair of garden loppers, a bow-saw, garden shears at muck in on a track clearing team and then maybe have a bit more respect for us who hard graft all day long, or are currently out of work through redundancy previously involved working in a sawmill standing 10 hours a day on their feet rushing to complete endless timber product orders from the rest of the workforce in the factory.
A mop, bucket, dustbin, window cleaner and gloves does not constitute hard graft producing or manufacturing a product to be sold to the general public or through builder’s merchant trade sales. Too bad that my Counterbalance Forklift truck licence is currently not valid otherwise I would run down twats like elbow grease who dis-respect those people like myself who work or have worked in tough, physically demanding jobs.
Fen – Maybe should should try asking a question or two before you spout your silly rants. I’m a part-time cleaner of tourist properties, so it’s nothing to do with the owners being lazy. The rest of the time I do building and property maintenance, so the work is pretty physical. BTW, I have a Husky chainsaw so I seldom use a bow saw!
Ok wise ass. Prove to me and everybody else on here you are indeed in property management. You should be able to freely tell all of us on here the name of the company you ‘work’ for; your company manager, your company address and telephone number, and the nature of your business. Also, that you are indeed on their payroll.
Not forgetting that you possess an CSCS card legally allowing you to work in that line of business. I would like to see evidence (an photo) of your CSCS card if you have one or not.
If you can prove me all that, and that companies house website shows your information is actually legit and not a smoke screen fake to try and throw me off your scent, then I will no longer step on your tail. I can’t say fairer than that can I?
But I suspect quite strongly that you are just bullshitting me with fairy story words to try and make me believe you are in big business. Don’t bullshit me the slightest, especially when as a pisces I have an exceptionally strong psychic sixth sense, as all pisces born people have, but not all know how to use it or even know about this gift.
You, as I expect are just some snotty-nosed acne-ridden 18 year old little punk with no real experience of life and how harsh it can really be. I can literally see right through you for what you really are and pretending otherwise to be. Until you fucking grow up and start acting like an adult, it would be wise of you to fuck off and stop acting like an imbecile and showing yourself up like an utter twat.
Errrrmmmm…… I said “property maintenance” not “property management”!
You have a “strong psychic sixth sense”??? Ha ha ha! You can’t even perceive things which are written in plain English!
EG – It is beneath me to reply to you, except to say, again, that it is beneath me to reply to you.
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Latest from the BBC: The BIG 0. Listened to preacher Paddy O’Connell am. There’s no mention of the 5000 GB IDS killings.Nothing of the 1,000’s living in fear,or getting thrown out of their houses. No comparison.They must have a Goebbels at work( ex Westminster Tuck Shop Boy?).
Sir Bob,sleep your easy sleep of zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs. The poor,the disadvantaged,those being forced to be slaves at work,will take the refugees. They will take the strain: not your silver spooned youngsters. Pass on my best wihses to Bono(now exiled anywhere where there’s 0 tax).he disadvantaged over here will pick up the tab for your FREELOADER MANSION.
IDS: In your Nazi fiefdom: you have it all. Stiff arm salute x3.You’ve dun your killings(with more to come)and got away with it.
stitchedupandbroken – BBC & Sky News desperately need a proper and totally independent investigation done into them and their conduct to get to the bottom of the apparent ‘bias’ or ‘biased’ situation in their broadcasting.
What I would like to know is ‘where is the ‘regulator’ in all of this?
In a so-called ‘democracy’ the News media should be totally unbiased.
The recent Gen. Election was a prime example of this.
Faisal Islam and Kay Burley, as well as the other studio presenter were over the moon when they found out that the Tories had got back in and they made that completely obvious to the viewers – (after the neck & neck polls for such a long time!).
BBC News had exactly the same reaction to the Election results.
I wonder if there has been any input from the BBC’s ‘public viewing panel’ with regards to this – and if so, what has been the BBC’s reaction to it?
stitchedupandbroken – well said.
You alll been ranting for years five years!! what’s changed fuck all lol
Simmer – That’s the smartest thing I’ve ever seen said on here!
Not to worry folks – the queen will, on September 9th celebrate, with the rest of Britain – (NOT) her making it to the longest ever reign.
She and her extended family have enjoyed being some of the biggest ‘tax-payer funded’ living and luxury extravagences that one could ever imagine.
No concern at all for the poor and the underpriveleged of Britain as long as she regularly gets her money from the ‘Civil List’ and she has to pay no tax (if she can possibly avoid it).
Her only ever contribution to the poor as far as I know is the ‘yearly’ £1 given to 12 ‘worthy pensioners’ on Maundy Thursday – and even probably that £1 has come from the ‘hard working taxpayer’ of Britain.
Where we used to live in Cornwall, they did nothing for us – Prince Charles through his huge ‘Duchy of Cornwall’ estate has taken millions and millions of pounds (mostly in expensive tenant farm rents) over the years and really, for all intents & purposes, given very little back. This does not only include Cornwall, it is in many other Counties in Southern England as well. He can now sit down with Camilla Parker Bowles and further enjoy their banquets and mixing with the toffs.
They should support themselves with all of their assets and incomes.
Why should they live in luxury while so many people in this Country go without – WHY.
This family have ‘lorded it’ for only too long over the Celtic Nations – including Cornwall, Wales & Scotland and also part of Ireland.
(We – my wife and I will not be celebrating this long reign – we just wish to see the back of them and all of them gone).
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Pulp – Common People
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Yanis Varoufakis responds to reports that his wife inspired Pulp’s ‘Common People’
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sorry, May 2015
‘The BNP tried to hold a rally in Croydon and almost no one showed up’
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The Channel Tunnel will be at a standstill by the end of new week. A mass exodus through the Tunnel. Welcome to free NHS, benefits with no rules, Housing, housing benefit & no they won`t have to find work. The whole of the UKs transport network is going to be grinding to a halt in 3 weeks.
I am claiming that I am a Political Prisoner of the UK government & I want Human Rights as a Political Prisoner of the states Welfare Reform.
That includes being made homeless by the DWP.
How about give up the Isle Of White to house the migrants of is that fake passports or IS that IS with a fake passport WHO KNOWS> Good way of getting IS hear in the UK.
Hug A Hoodie – Hug A IS Migrant.
LOTS OF FAKE SYRIAN PASSPORTS. THE WEST ARE SO STUPID.
Vivian Jones – Institutionalize Racism (GLOBAL DOMINATION)
Disability Racism – A DWP Production
Cameron you fuck up on the migrants is your & the countries downfall. Bye Cameron see you at the ATOS / MAXIMUS shareholders boardmeeting.
A victim of war like genocide by the DWP on poor & disabled people. The War Zone is the DWP & it`s sub contractors. Signed off by Dunko The Clown. The ££ Billions spent on money laundering trying to keep the poor & disabled controlled the pest control is by coming up with things like Disability Confident PLC which is a Money Laundering company posing as a disability helper = false claim to the employers. Propaganda War is a think tank PR stunt. War of words = Threats & Sanctions. So don`t tell me there is no war going on in the UK now – THE WAR TO KILL OFF POOR & DISABLED PEOPLE PLC.
Signed
IDS
Or is that a Maximus ESA50 questionnaire !!!
The DWP can`t cope.
your off your head!! far to much time on your hands get a bleeding job
IDS messenger boy.
IDS may having you working all day Sunday but it`s a day off.
Stepping Razor – you’re talking a lot of sense. They’ll rue the day that they ever agreed to this. Don’t get me wrong, I realize that the ‘refugees’ are in terrible circumstances and they are after ‘accepting’ countries that will allow them in. But,10000 is probably only the beginning (and there is probably little in the way that they can do to check if any are ISIS also).
The British infrastructure is not suitable to take so many in one go and also, they tend to have loads of children galore. Where are they all going to school? Where are the extra doctors/social care needed?
The Tories are already cutting more and more right across the board.
Cameron (& IDS your clock is still ticking relentlessly!) is going to get more and more opposition, especially if he completely fucks up this one.
As for the claimants, the sick, the poor and the disabled, with this now happening, they risk being even further pushed aside in favour of these new ‘incomers’. And these will most probably get priority and get very well looked after, thank you very much Mr Cameron!
Apparently Cameron could face a ‘revolt’ (when the Commons returns) over the EU Referendum – don’t worry Cameron, it’s only going to get worse for you from now on – hopefully!!
Paul – This is going to get out of hand very quickly – so much for all the homeless UK nationals who are victims of the governments war on the poor. Would be great if the government stepped in and offered them a council house…
I read that in Oxford there is a refugee welcoming committee…they may get a very different kind of reception once they arrive here, but it won’t be their fault – it will be the fault of Camoron and the rest.
This massive influx of ‘refuges’* is going to ‘squeeze’ the poor – it won’t affect BBC News and Sky presenters in any way, shape or form whatsoever.
*police, security services, military, terrorists, ISIS included
But they are NOT welcome to come here and displace the indigenous population; they are NOT welcome to come here and take homes from the indigenous population; they are NOT welcome to come here to deprive the indigenous population of social security and healthcare; they are NOT welcome to come to the UK and cripple the infrastructure that the indigenous population depend on; they are NOT welcome to come here and under-cut the wages of the indigenous population; they are NOT welcome to come here and breed lots of ‘British citizens’ at the indigenous population’s expense; they are NOT welcome to come here and be educated at the indigenous population’s expense; they are NOT welcome to come here and turn into the next generation of hand-picked Priti Patel cunts who will turn on the indigenous population – we DO NOT want to see some another ‘refugee’ at the head of the DWP fucking over the indigenous population; they are NOT welcome to come here and be placed in positions of powers as hand-picked cunts to fuck over the indigenous population. They are NOT welcome here!
I think xenophobic fuckwit sums you up nicely.
@sibrydionmawr, would you give up your home and doss on the streets to make room for a refugee? Thought not… 😉
zeno
have you firm info that this is happening and/or planned…personally those that want should build there own homes, most will go back when conflict ends i’m sure, they like you and i want to be safe…there’s plenty of land and using water segal self build methods very cheap and easy to build on all types of land…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Segal
well said zeno
Housing Associations ARE known for this, they do it by stealthy covert means though.
And on a wider point it is all fine and dandy to welcome in ‘refugees’ if it doesn’t threaten YOUR housing, livelihood, etc. Are JK Rowling, Nicola Sturgeon’s housing, livelihood threatened? Don’t think so!
There is no denying that the realisation that YOUR housing, YOUR livelihood, YOUR family’s well-being at risk is GENUINELY scary to people. Political opportunists like Nicola Sturgeon who inhabit insulated, closeted worlds are like generals sending soldiers to their doom; it doesn’t affect or impact on THEM and THEIR families personally.
Get real, no one has to give up their home in order to help a refugee. But we can all agitate to help get refugees get sanctuary or help in other ways, or set up groups, such as ShareDydd in Cardiff that co-ordinates refugees in need of a place to stay with those who have a spare room they want to make available so that a refugee has a place to stay. It’s an initiative with a lot of anarchists involved in it, perhaps unsurprisingly.
Fellow JCP Sufferer/Customer – Yes, very true – this Government will look after all other Countries and their people, but not ours – especially the claimants, the poor, the sick & the disabled.
This Government treats them all as ‘worthless scum’.
The Tory Government is the ‘true’ scum of the U.K. – they would sell their very own mother and father for money. Total and utter bastards.
No wonder that I want to emigrate to Australia and get as far as is physically possible from this now rotten country.
Fen – There is another option other than trying to emigrate to Australia (which you will find is difficult if you don’t have a degree or higher professional qualifications). How about trying to politically change this “now rotten country” instead? I agree with you that it is rotten. Are you interested in political change?
I wish you all luck with your applications to join UKIP or the BNP
Fat White Family – Bomb Disneyland live @ London Calling 10 mei 2014
well said anne c
NME january 2015
Fat White Family’s first brush with notoriety came through their politics rather than their music, when Yuppies Out – a Facebook group started by Saul and Nathan – protested the opening of an upscale Brixton bistro by handing out White Ace cider and slices of Dairylea. Yuppies Out was intended as more of a situationist prank than a serious political statement, though their opposition to the gentrification of working-class London is real enough. The nuances of their politics, however, are tricky to define: they’re staunch leftists, but Saul also once went on an EDL march, “not out of support, but because I wanted to see what it was like up close. Those people have genuine grievances – they see traditional working-class English values disappearing, and they’re scared about it. But they don’t realise it’s not the Muslims who are fucking them.” In an ideal world, he says, “I’d like to live in a self-governing anarcho-syndicalist community, where everyone helps each other out.” He’s aware that’s never going to happen, though, so he’s resigned to voting Labour at the next election: “I know they’re fucking atrocious, but if it’s a choice between a quick death and a long, slow one, I’ll go for the quick one.”
Ed Miliband, however, is unlikely to satisfy Fat White Family’s desire for violent retribution against the financial elite. “There’s a class war being waged and we’re all in it regardless of whether you know it or not,” insists Lias. “When they’re selling off the NHS and leaving people to rot, where do you draw the line? They’re even doing away with crisis loans, because obviously these poor fucking drug addicts looking for £6.56 to make their lives tolerable for a few hours is what’s sinking the economy.”
Thanks for posting that Sian.
Latest News: Papers: I front page: “Osborne raids aid cash for councils”.
Overseas Aid money going to be used to help house ‘refugees’ in Britain – massive amounts of money are due to land in council’s laps across the land! Fucking hell – the councils are going to have to sort out how to spend this sudden windfall (No doubt they’ll also be putting up the Council Tax as well for the indigenous population to help out with all of this)!
Millions and even billions of £ are oing to be spent to help ‘asylum seekers’.
UN Aid agencies are fast going bankrupt – don’t worry I expect that Britain will soon jump up and give them millions of £ to bail them out – Sorted!
paul – this beggars belief. I see that talentless bitch JK Rowland says the refugees are welcome – but she isn’t rushing to offer any of them a chance to stay in her mansion!
The new Harry Potter
Harry Potter Saves The Refugees – Book & Film.
apologies – “that talentless bitch JK Rowland” should read “that talentless bitch JK Rowling”
Fellow JCP Sufferer/Customer – Yeah, I know, its unbelievable!
JK Rowling is a talentless bitch (& a millionairress at that!) and has no idea what she is talking about. As you say, she will probably not eagerly offer to ‘house’ any of them in her mansion.
She’ll be the next one that will be swanning off to the House of Lords, (or as I refer to it to – the House of Loungers & Scroungers!!) at Cameron’s beck & call!!
I notice you can still make a fresh DLA claim there are online forms to fill out.
So don`t tell be benefits are stopping.
So ESA is not the only choice.
When a state choses which section of society has more Human Rights than another section of society. UN Breaches on the Human Rights convention.
Meaning Disabled people don`t count as human beings to fall under the Human of Human Rights Banner.
Disabled People Are Not Human They Are WCA Robots.
The cost of keeping poor & disabled people under the WCA carpet is getting more costly. No we are not talking about Syria Tory Trolls but a DWP responsible for the WCA contract to Maximus. The ESA Claim is a vetted process through a nudge unit quesionaire with maximus rules.
This article highlights how those who unlike UK are well able to help the refugees do not:
“Every day, refugees risk their lives to escape persecution and war. They travel thousands of miles, hide in car engines, the backs of vehicles and cram onto tiny boats to cross perilous waters, all in a bid to reach safety.
This week, the haunting picture of a little boy’s lifeless body washed up on the shore of a Turkish beach forced a discussion about the plight of refugees.
As the biggest refugee crisis since World War Two draws attention to the actions of European leaders, we forget how little Syria’s Arab neighbours are doing to ease the hardships facing the displaced.
Amnesty International reports that “from Asia to Europe, large wealthy countries have turned their backs on Syrian refugees. All six Gulf countries, Russia and Japan have not offered to resettle a single refugee”.
Despite their proximity to the war-stricken state, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain have not offered any resettlement places.
Saudi Arabia and the other Arab states along the Persian Gulf are not only close to Syria, but are very wealthy.
……..”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/04/rich-arab-nations-syria-refugees_n_8089414.html?
Fellow – I was just wondering again about your perception of yourself and your morality……
If you (a self-confessed idle liar and benefit cheat, who can’t even be bothered to get up before mid-afternoon to look for a job) were to be deported, and replaced by a Syrian who has travelled thousands of miles and faced death in his search for a job, would it be a net loss or gain for UK society?
Your comments have been reported to Surrey police following several complaints from the public.
A warrant has been issued for the release of your domain name and email account records.
Dropped yourself right in the brown stuff now, elbow grease, if this is indeed a legit post from Surrey Police. Next time think carefully about what you type on website forums as this can lead to serious trouble from the police if they receive reports of abusive, hate, or challenging forum posts likely to cause moral disdain and intimidation.
Yes, Fen Tiger we can assure you that it is indeed genuine. We ourselves reported ‘Elbow Grease’ to Surrey Police and we received an e-mail from Inspector J. T. Stirling with regards to this matter.
Many thanks for passing on this irritant troll to the police. Once an warrant is issued for email records and domain names, the police will be looking into this as a matter or urgency and will use EG’s internet provider (SKY, Talk Talk, Virgin, whomever) to get the router I.P address used and from there a simple case of then gaining the computer I.P address.
Not even a fake e-mail address or fake I.P. address can mask anybody from the law if they use the internet as a weapon to incite hate crimes or any other breach of the peace. EG can laugh but not for much longer. He thinks he can hide from the law and is safe behind a computer screen.
This is not the case as if the police contact his broadband provider, details of his account with them will be used as evidence gathering along with email records stored by his email provider (outlook, AOL, Yahoo, etc) of every single e-mail sent or used to access and use a blog website.
Deleting e-mails and any PC information at home on your personal PC does not destroy the date as the original data is kept and recorded by the email provider and the broadband provider for future purposes and reference should the police request such details.
That would be funny if it wasn’t so transparent and so sad. Why are so many of you so scared of thinking about what you say?
I could really say exactly what is on my mind about the likes of ‘elbow grease’ but it wouldn’t be in my best interests as I would find myself banned off JV’s blog either by an e-mail block or by an I.P. block.
At least I show some proper and common decency towards everybody else using this blog website by NEVER insulting, abusing or harassing them which is a lot more than I can say about the one or two trolls with nothing better to do or say with their own tiny lives.
I have to note that reading the claptrap from EG, none of his posts comments have made any sense to me whatsoever as a lot of them just seeem to repeat the same subject over and over again, or they repeat what other people have said in the first place. I actually just laugh my socks off reading the gabble that EG types as passable ‘comments’. I laugh at EG almost as much as I do when going to the jobcentreminus.
If I were in his shoes (and thanks to thegardners from that piece of useful information) I would be looking over my shoulder and/or expecting a knock on my front door from the police for inciting hate crimes via the internet possibly to stir up some kind of reaction or two from any decent person using this blog website.
The purpose of this blog site is NOT to stir up fractions and hate crimes against people in or out of the UK or to provoke a dangerous reaction, the purpose of this site is to find out the truth about what is happening in this country and for each and every one of us to share valuable thoughts and information that could empower and enhance us all. Not for some little shit face EG using it as a platform to say ”I AM RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG”.
Everybody has got an opinion. We all may or may not agree with each other with what we have to say and vent off about the news story of the day from Johnny Void, but we don’t start abusive fights to provoke immediate verbal action or worse.
Elbow grease does not have any valuable opinion considering ‘he repeats the same invalid argument over and over again or he simply repeats sarcastically what other people on here have to say in order to gain a reaction of which leads to further sarcastic bile.
The best thing to do is simply ignore the simple minded twat and never to respond to his posts on here. Most of us have already told him to get lost and not stay on JV’s blog as by not going it is stirring up friction between us and some of us are no longer using this website as a valuable tool against the wrong-doing of this country by eton puppet masters.
I fully expect EG to respond to my full comments, but that is to be expected as I know that anything I have to say on any subject EG must reply with some nonsense of which he doesn’t even know about nor has any hard evidence to back up his claims. I have never seen real proof of evidence to support whatever is spouted in his comments. All I see is the same old rubbish over and over again, like the earlier posts about ”LAZINESS IS VOLUNTARY”.
Well said Fen Tiger. Elbow Grease reminds me of a drunk man I once saw who challenged a group of us who were just walking past him to a fight. He said he would take on all of us, and when none of us expressed an interest, he concluded that we were all too scared…
Fellow JCP –
EG is simply hot air when hiding behind his computer. I have seen it all before when some people like to act above the law and act without a care in the world for anybody else. The truth hits harder than they even realise.
Get them away from the computer or away from the gang they go with and they become mice afraid of their own shadow. Trying to act and talk tough is just a front they have to put on to impress their street gang or internet buddies.
AlI can say is that EG has had an unhappy childhood and is trying to compromise this by blocking it out and having to fight back against the world for the wrongs that have happened within his family over the years and also has developed a massive ego to back up his fight. He is a complete twat whose ego is so massive it won’t even let him admit he is a complete twat.
EG doens’t impress me the slightest. In fact every lame comment I see just makes me laugh at his shortcomings and personal failures in his life. Hell, he can’t even get a proper job unlike what we all have or have had at sometime in our lives.
Well said Fen Tiger.
Fen – “At least I show some proper and common decency towards everybody else using this blog website by NEVER insulting, abusing or harassing them”
That’s a rather blatant lie, isn’t it? You’ve done that several times on this page alone!
elbow grease – it is beneath me to reply to you, except to say that it is beneath me to reply to you.
Fellow – Ha ha ha, that’s quite funny. At least you have a sense of humour!
It’s more funny that youve suddenly developed one …
He won’t be laughing if the police do act on information about him and want to gather evidence of every email and keystroke to any website recorded by his email and broadband provider. By law these companies must provide this information if they suspect the misuse of computer act is being violated by any person or organisation for any purpose to incite hate crime, abusive behaviour, language in a threatening manner.
Even the computer used by the miscriant can be seized for evidence, so trying to wipe the hard drive to cover up their tracks is futile as the police have equipment to recover lost hard drive data that has been over-written many times.
Fen Tiger – That’s nice to know – something the police are actually interested in, instead of them having to deal with some halfwit reporting a jobseeker for doing under 35hrs per week jobsearch and sleeping late.
I take it then our resident little gnome EG has been brown nosing around the JCP trying to stir up trouble for some of us just because of our actions and/or thoughts on here. Little slimy twat will get squashed by my steel toe-capped boots.
Fen Tiger – That’s also nice to know! Yeah, I think it was obd (apologies if it was someone else) who said that EG knows that if he said half of what he said to people on here in real life he would get a glasgow kiss and more!
Shirley – couldn’t have put it better myself…
Harassment by email or online is a serious concern for many people. The Protection from Harassment Act 1997 is intended to prevent ‘stalking’ and other similar unsocial conduct. It states that a person must not pursue a course of conduct which amounts to harassment of another, and which that persons knows, or ought to know, amounts to harassment of another. This includes by email or by other computer related means such as discussion forums, for example. FE and HE institutions must ensure that information technology facilities are not used in such a way.
In England and Wales under s.1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 it is an offence to send an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person and under s.43 Telecommunications Act 1984 it is a similar offence to send a telephone message which is indecent offensive or threatening. Both offences are punishable with up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine. Because the Malicious Communications Offence is wider ranging than the Telecommunications offence it is more likely to be charged by the Police than is the Telecommunications Act offence.
“Ooooops” says Fen ‘Hypocrite’ Tiger, after it was pointed out that he said “You ever visit my town and I know about it, I will knock your fucking block off”, “I think I’ve committed an actual criminal offence”.
Wise ass troll elbow grease not even reading my above comments properly. Maybe it’s because the police want EG’s email records from his email and broadband provider and this is making him sweat with worry.
THE ONLY SLIMY LITTLE HYPOCRITE ON HERE IS ELBOW GREASE.
Fellow – You’ve avoided answering the question with this transparent (to anyone who understands how both the law and the internet work) and very sad fiction about Surrey police. I’ll try again:
If you (a self-confessed idle liar and benefit cheat, who can’t even be bothered to get up before mid-afternoon to look for a job) were to be deported, and replaced by a Syrian who has travelled thousands of miles and faced death in his search for a job, would it be a net loss or gain for UK society?
Elbow Grease – It is beneath me to reply to you, except to say that it is beneath me to reply to you.
“JUDGE MARK ROWLAND (EX DWP COMMISSIONER) AND THE APPEALS PROCESS”
Just had confirmation from the Upper Tribunals Chamber that my appeal is to go forward at some time in the future.
Enclosed in the envelope is a submission by a weasel working for the DWP, called, MICHAEL PAGE.
MICHAEL PAGE, working on behalf of the DWP, has kindly provided me with evidence from older case history that will be used to throw doubt on the legitimacy of my appeal.
It is a direct threat from the DWP that states that if i wish to continue, be aware that this information will be used to counter your appeal.
This dirty trick is used at every level of the appeal system and has probably accounted for hundreds, if not thousands of deaths………………
MICHAEL PAGE, nor JUDGE MARK ROWLAND for that matter, have ever suffered from any kind of disablement, but they are tasked with the problem of stealing benefits from someone who has. That being myself.
According to article 6 of the Human Rights Legislation, everybody is open to a fair trial by an independent judge………………….
Yet MARK ROWLAND was “DWP COMMISSIONER IN 2009”.
Justice has no meaning in the UK today, the whole appeal system is no more than just a sham perpetrated by government hand picked puppets.
Never mind, it’s only taken 26 months to get this far, living on just £33 per week……………
I seriously hope my hearing does not interfere with MiCHAEL’S or MARK’S holiday plans.
DEAR MICHAEL PAGE OF THE DWP:
I HAVE SENT A COPY OF YOUR VEILED THREATS PRIOR TO THE HEARING OF MY APPEAL, TO THE UN RAPPORTEUR.
What’s happening to jobcentres these days – they are becoming like ghost towns? Where did all the work roaches go? Where did all the jobseekers go?
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‘Doug Richard: Ex-Dragons’ Den star and Government adviser charged with child sex attacks’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11848774/Dragons-Den-star-Doug-Richard-charged-with-child-sex-attacks.html
I’m out 😀
“ASSISTED DYING BILL. DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH, THE DWP ARE ALREADY DOING IT !!!”
MPs ARE CONSIDERING TWO ASSISTED DYING BILLS – THE ASSISTED DYING (No 2) BILL and the WELFARE REFORM AND WORK BILL.
Never before has any government so blatantly claimed in one breath to want evidence based policies and in the next breath dumped all the evidence linking ill health, and an early death with inadequate incomes and unmanageable debt.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Taxpayers-Against-Poverty/299911526728884
These lazy & rich bastards have had their heads in more troughs than the pigs that I look after! Please take a look at this one.
Surely this House of Scroungers needs to be totally reformed or scrapped altogether.
http://www.talktalk.co.uk/news/uk/article/peers-who-failed-to-speak-in-chamber-claimed-pound-1-3m-in-expenses-and-allowances/180760/
‘Benefit sanctions harmed my mental health’
The inflexibility of the benefit sanctions system is leading to people having their support taken away unfairly, the Labour MP Rebecca Long Bailey has said.
She told the Victoria Derbyshire programme the current system can penalise the most vulnerable in society.
Lee Curry received a four-week benefits sanction for failing to turn up to an appointment he was not told about.
He has since had his benefits reinstated on appeal, but says the sanction accentuated his depression.
Watch Victoria Derbyshire on weekdays from 09:15-11:00 BST on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel. Watch the film in full here.
According to the film Lee received a 4 Month sanction!
MY SANCTION HAS LASTED 2 YEARS AND TWO MONTHS AND I’M DISABLED………..
“inflexibility of the benefit sanctions”?! wtf – so this Labour nobhead is OK with a ‘flexible’ sanction system. Back to the old if you aren’t in a ‘vulnerable’ group – you can go fuck off and die Labour horse shit. No wonder these cunts were booted from office – and rightly so! We know your game you fucking Labour cuntball!
Nicely tucked away in the BBC Health section. Who goes to this page? I never do.
Johnny Void
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/09/why-murdoch-pushes-for-war/
Harassment by email or online is a serious concern for many people. The Protection from Harassment Act 1997 is intended to prevent ‘stalking’ and other similar unsocial conduct. It states that a person must not pursue a course of conduct which amounts to harassment of another, and which that persons knows, or ought to know, amounts to harassment of another. This includes by email or by other computer related means such as discussion forums, for example. FE and HE institutions must ensure that information technology facilities are not used in such a way.
In England and Wales under s.1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 it is an offence to send an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person and under s.43 Telecommunications Act 1984 it is a similar offence to send a telephone message which is indecent offensive or threatening. Both offences are punishable with up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine. Because the Malicious Communications Offence is wider ranging than the Telecommunications offence it is more likely to be charged by the Police than is the Telecommunications Act offence.
Fen ‘Hypocrite’ Tiger – “You ever visit my town and I know about it, I will knock your fucking block off.”
ELBOW ‘HYPOCRITE’ GREASY FACE WITH ACNE SPOTS. ALL MOUTH AND NO TROUSERS WANTED BY THE POLICE WHO ARE VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR E-MAIL RECORDS ARCHIVED BY YOUR EMAIL PROVIDER.
WHAT ARE YOU HIDING FROM THE POLICE ELBOW GREASE? WHY ARE THEY WANTING TO LOOK INTO USING YOUR EMAIL PROVIDER’S ARCHIVES OF YOUR E-MAILS?
YOU CAN DELETE YOUR SENT AND RECEIVED EMAILS FROM YOUR COMPUTER, BUT YOU CAN’T DO THIS THROUGH YOUR EMAIL PROVIDER. SOME SMART ARSE YOU TURNED OUT TO BE…
Errrrmmm…… this is a web site, not email.
GO AWAY, LITTLE TROLL GREASY FACE. YOU ARE JUST BORING ME NOW WITH POINTLESS ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE NO END AND ARE CLEARLY WAY PAST THEIR SELL-BY-DATE. CHANGE THE SUBJECT FOR FUCK SAKE. NOBODY ON HERE EVEN LIKES YOU THE SLIGHTEST WITH YOUR REPETITIVE MORONIC VICIOUS COMMENTS.
…and what are you going to do if I don’t go away? Use threats of violence again? How do you think you can possibly do that? Apparently you haven’t yet got to grips with how this internet thing works! You remind me of a cat who thinks he can catch the mouse on the TV screen.
Shut up you little weasel. Any news on that police warrant against you. I hear Surrey Police want to obtain your email domain name and every e-mail yousent and received. Oh, and by the way they did not mention about this or any other website (you just happen to infest and poison with your moronic comments), JUST YOUR E-MAILS AND EMAIL ACCOUNTS YOU HAVE SET UP AND USE.
Actually Fen, you did (inadvertently) say one very perceptive thing – “Nobody on here even likes you in the slightest”. That’s the REAL point, isn’t it? Most of the people are not here to talk about the issues, they’re here because they want to be liked by someone.
You are wrong EL I like Fen Tiger he has been decent to me, and no people do not come to be liked by someone, I come to give my opinion. Why do you come on here EL?
Maria – At least Fen didn’t threaten to knock your block off! I don’t doubt that you come here to give and hear sensible opinions, but I think you are one of the few exceptions.
The answer to your question is – Curiosity about this idle online subculture.
and as reply to your other post about, how I would know if they are speaking the truth, from my own experiences I know they speak the truth, they resonate with what they say. It is you that doesn’t know, you can tell you have had no experience with the jobcentre, you can see your ignorance is as visible; like a clown at a funeral. Now how do I know you are not lying, do you really work as hard as you say on that building site? Do you really have a job? Two jobs? You strike me as a very jealous person, jealous of people who spend the morning in bed, is that what you want to do? sleep in bed all day? Because I get up early but I don’t resent people who don’t. what is you problem with JCP and OBD and Fen and they rest? put aside that they get up late, put aside that they have given up looking for a job in the way the jobcentre dictates them to do, what is the reason deep down? Why do you not like them?
But you have upset him, and he was vocal to let you know you’ve upset him, why don’t you apologise for it?
I think its highly immoral to impose unobtainable conditions on job seeking activities, and to deny peoples basic rights, if they can’t meet them. The job seeking activities are not designed to find people jobs, they are designed to infuriate you, they are designed to make your life so much hell, that you will stop claiming benefits, because the government knows there isn’t enough work for everyone, but they want to save money and in the process they are destroying peoples lives, so that they can pay the debt back, the debt the financial crisis caused, the debt that the rich at the top caused. But no the rich won’t pay for their mistakes, it is the poor and people who have next to nothing and debt is paid with all they have left? Do you think that is moral? because I don’t and people are trying to survive, when they tell the jobcentre they have been looking for one or two jobs more, is the difference between surviving and dying. the jobcentre isn’t a game, its some peoples livihoods that they are forced to take.
Maria – You say on one hand that you can tell whether people are telling the truth, then ask if I’m lying! It’s up to you whether you believe what I say about the work I do, or the opinions I hold. Proving it to you is completely irrelevant on an anonymous forum.
What do I have against Fellow, OBD, Fen and the rest? Nothing. I’m only interested in what they really think, and whether it’s representative of the way UK society is moving. Pointing out their obvious hypocrisies and misunderstandings often means that their real opinions and emotions emerge more clearly. Fen has proved that point!
No I’m saying that from my own experience about how the job centre work I know they are telling the truth, obviously I take on trust what hey say about other matters. You talk about other peoples hypocrisies, but you yourself are human and you have your own hypocrisies and when people try to point out your, you do not like it?
Maria – Sorry, you’re wrong. If somebody is upset by the truth then that’s no excuse to threaten violence. I have told no lies, just some unsettling truths.
You tell the truth of what you think is the truth and people on here are trying to educate you of the truth. JCP told you the truth did he not about how he gets up late, he told you the truth about his job seeking activities, did you ask him why be behaves as he does? no, you assumed you knew why.
Maria – He’s said perfectly plainly why he doesn’t want to work and lies in bed all day… it’s because he’s waiting for his god’s plan to happen! I think it’s unacceptable that he’s using public money to do so, and telling lies to fraudulently obtain that money. That money could be used to help people who actually need help.
Maria – Do you condone benefit fraud and threats of violence?
“you have your own hypocrisies and when people try to point out your, you do not like it?”
What hypocrisies? Please feel free to point them out, and I will answer you plainly and honestly.
it is hypocritical to say, that people who need help should get it, but they have to pay in first, there are people who will never be able to pay in for various reasons, but they still need it. You think there are underserving people and deserving people? what right do you have to say that one person deserves and another doesn’t? Both need help. you say you are not paying, fine then. But all my relatives are tax payers, and they think it is appalling how people on benefits are treated these days, it is their money too and believe, it should be used to look after people who don’t have a job. It is not fraud to have a benefit or a charity, if you don’t have a job, if you don’t have the means. The poor man will be going out of his mind everyday, because he doesn’t think he’ll ever have a job or an independent living. You take Fen Tigers comments way too literally, it is just a something people say when they are upset. I don’t condone benefit fraud, because JCP needs it to live. You have no idea what life is like when things get tough, you think you have a tough life, well compared to people here it is a dream. When JCP says he waiting for God, he mean that God is his only hope left, not because he wants to while the day in bed, but because being on the dole makes you ill, and it is a consequence of the appalling life he has to lead, and I don’t envy him of it, but for some misguided reason you do.
Thank you maria 🙂
Unlike the weasel grease I don’t have a smart-ass right-wing comment for anybody other that he himself latches on to when we say something that rattles his cage.
“it is hypocritical to say, that people who need help should get it, but they have to pay in first, there are people who will never be able to pay in for various reasons, but they still need it.”
I never said that people have to pay in first. If you want to try to point out something hypocritical which I DID say, then please do.
“You think there are underserving people and deserving people?”
Yes I do, and the clue is in your own point about people who NEED help.
So how fit are you to judge whether someone is in need? if they have no source of income or limited income they are in need, even if people did have a bad attitude to work and I am not referring to the people on here, but even if they did they are still human and still need to eat and drink and have warm shelter at the very least, there aren’t enough jobs to go around so your arguments are futile. I said my viewpoint, I’ve told the truth. I will offer you some advise, though you look at your self in the mirror for at least 20 minutes, a good long hard look and ask yourself do you like what you see, not your physical appearance, look deep within your soul, and ask yourself do you really like what you see. that is all I have to say unless you change your ways.
Maria – Apparently you can’t find anything hypocritical I said. I would have hoped you might admit that you were wrong and say sorry.
I can’t tell who is in need and who isn’t, and who wants to try to support themselves and who doesn’t (except by their own admission, such as Fellow JCP), which is why we need a fair and just system for assessing who needs help. We currently do not have that under this immoral Tory government, nor did we under New Labour (who were even worse in some ways). How about you… would you vote for a Corbyn-led Labour party at the next election?
it in black and white if you choose not to investigate, that is up to you, I care not whatever you do, you have the freedom to as you will, even at he expense of others, I have never said corpses get up and start walking around, refer to the post in which I did.
You will enjoy The science of the Discworld books then, there is three of them, right up your alley, as it is he is the most talented writer, even though I don’t share his religious beliefs I respect the man.
Maria – “I have never said corpses get up and start walking around, refer to the post in which I did.”
I refer you to the central tenet of your religion instead! You’re not very bright, are you?
If you are talking about the son of God the traditionally he is divine and not a mortal, man. Brush up on your religious studies, before you insult someone’s religion. You say I am narrow minded but you want everyone to believe your way, whereas I don’t because I know that everyone has the freedom of choice to form their own beliefs. I don’t think you are an molecular scientist, because if you were you would be flaunting your publications and showing of about them. Why don’t you tell us your name and if you had made significant contributions to science, you would be able to Google you. JCP said you were insulting me, well its one thing that he is wrong about, you are insulting yourself and showing your ignorance every time you post, as it is I am immune to insults and they roll off me like water off a ducks back, your wasting your time trying to insult me and I am wasting my time trying to educate you in manners. I don’t care what your belief are, its up to you what you think, you have said your piece over and over now stop blocking this blog, with your petty insults and your twisted version of the truth, and leave these people alone, because they are good people, hit on hard times and they are just the right kind of people who need help from the state. You , when I was a new poster to this blog, tried your best to get me to side with you, so you could try and get me to help you to terrorise these people, It is not right, your conduct is not right, you are an ambiguous and arrogant excuse for a human being. You enjoy causing people misery, when their life is bad enough without your input. What do you get out of it? I would be appalled to be you.
Errrmmm…… You need to brush up on your English or your logic! If something is not mortal, then it can’t die. Alternatively, if you’re right then the whole crucifixion thing must have been a sham.
Open your eyes, elbow grease. I said that nobody on here even likes you. I did not say that to anybody else using this forum blog. My words are purely directed at you alone. you’re a delusional twat, nothing more.
Just incase that satanic little weasel elbow grease thinks and assumes I get up late every day. I am up before 6:00am every single morning throughout the week and spend most of the day doing jobsearch online and cold-calling firms. I am not on here between 6:30am and 10:30pm constantly at night as you are doing. hypocrite.
It’s perfectly obvious from the posting times that you (unlike Fellow JCP) do not lie in bed all day. If you say you are trying hard to find a job then I believe you. That criticism was aimed purely at Fellow JCP. You should learn not to conflate unrelated things.
Fen “I said that nobody on here even likes you. I did not say that to anybody else using this forum blog. My words are purely directed at you alone.”
It makes no difference to me whether some anonymous poster on a web site likes me or not. Perhaps you should ask yourself why it IS important to you……
Kirkby JobCentre Plus worker falsely claimed £27,000 disability benefits
Liverpool Echo – 7th September 2015
Denise Kelly, 60, said she struggled to walk but wore high heels ‘with no trouble at all’
A Department for Work and Pensions worker falsely claimed more than £27,000 in disability payments.
Denise Kelly, 60, suggested she could only walk a few metres before suffering severe discomfort and needed 24-7 care at her home in Mount Crescent, Kirkby.
But colleagues at the JobCentre Plus centre in Kirkby said the grandmother walked around the office in high heels with no trouble at all.
They said they saw her walking her two Labrador dogs and carrying full bags of shopping.
Investigators filmed Kelly physically picking up her grandchildren when collecting them from nursery and walking 800 yards.
Liverpool Crown Court heard she banked the money over a five-year period after making a bogus claim in November 2009.
She had ‘exaggerated extensively’
Sarah Griffin, prosecuting, said it was accepted Kelly suffered from a number of illnesses but had “exaggerated extensively” on the form.
Kelly said she shuffled in pain after walking two or three metres and would fall or stumble without support.
The defendant said she needed help getting in and out of bed, washing and showering and getting dressed.
She claimed she had difficulty walking up and down stairs and getting in and out of a chair.
Kelly also claimed she found it hard to remember things and to carry out simple tasks like answering the phone.
As a result she received high rate mobility payments and middle rate care payments.
Miss Griffin said: “It came to the DWP’s attention that her mobility needs and care needs were in fact far less than she stated.”
Read More:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/kirkby-jobcentre-plus-worker-falsely-10006218
DWP Disability Fraudster
Stepping Razor Sound Plate System – how did she get away with working in the Jobcentreminus office of all places while claiming disability payments? I suppose they were all to busy sanctioning jobseekers to notice….
Yes, I was wondering that.
ESA is Maximus & the DWP are the DWP. All Maximus do is send back bogus ESA50 scraps of paper & a Medical report on how the tick all of the boxes & filed in. Why would a DWP worker claim ESA the DWP say. Who would be believe or take responsibility DWP since it was going on for 5 years. Another ESA weakness & loop hole & tempting if you work at the DWP.
Also the loop hole of no ESA letter or form has bar coding on them. Unlike DWP letters & forms.
No Bar Coding – No Paper Trial.
thanks steppin’
‘Job Centre worker falsely claimed £27,000 in disability benefits but escapes jail sentence’
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/job-centre-worker-falsely-claimed-6400207
Sentence: 150 hours of unpiad work ;-);-);-)
Yes, thanks SRSPS for explaining that.
Think that i would have difficulty walking in those high heels…………….
Denise Kelly, 60, suggested she could only walk a few metres before suffering severe discomfort and needed 24-7 care at her home in Mount Crescent, Kirkby.
“PUT THE DAILY MAIL IN THE BIN, WHERE IT BELONGS”
……………SPOUTING EVIL LIKE THIS,
The United Nations was under fire last night for sending a Costa Rican human rights lawyer to Britain to investigate ‘absurd’ claims that Government welfare reforms have violated the rights of the disabled.
Catalina Devandas Aguilar is expected to visit the UK in the coming months to spearhead an inquiry into claims that Britain is guilty of ‘grave or systematic violations’ of the rights of the disabled.
The inquiry, by the UN’s Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, will report back on a range of issues, including whether welfare cuts have harmed disabled people. Other members of the committee include representatives from Uganda, Kenya, Tunisia and Thailand.
Tory MP Ian Liddell-Grainger last night described the inquiry as ‘the most absurd and offensive nonsense’.
He added: ‘We have a proud record in this country for the way we treat disabled people.
‘I am not an expert on disability rights in Costa Rica, but I suspect Miss Devandas Aguilar might be better off focusing her efforts much closer to home. The UN should keep their noses out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216438/Now-meddling-sends-lawyer-Britain-probe-benefits-reforms-violate-human-rights-disabled.html
“THERE ARE 2366 COMMENTS ON THIS STORY IN THE MAIL, MOST OF THEM IN SUPPORT OF THE DISABLED AND CALLING THE DWP, MURDERERS”
Revealed: contents of dossier which sparked UN probe over disabled ‘human rights violations’
ERS have revealed details of the dossier of complaints which led to the UN launching an investigation into allegations of “grave and systematic violations” of disabled people’s human rights in the UK.
Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC), a grassroots campaign group, has published a list of more than 40 issues which it submitted as evidence to the UN that “attacks are being carried out in every area” of disabled people’s lives by the UK government.
The list ranges from the introduction of the bedroom tax and controversial “fitness for work” tests, to the impact of benefit sanctions and cuts to mobility allowances.
The campaigners say the UN inquiry – the first of its kind – has “great historic importance” and will examine the “vicious and punitive attacks” on disabled people’s independent living, as well as cuts which have led to unnecessary deaths.
Last week the Sunday Herald revealed how UN officials will visit the UK in the next few months, following the launch of the formal investigation by the UN’s Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD).
Scottish disability charity Inclusion Scotland said it has been advised a visit by the Special Rapporteur and members of the committee on the rights of persons with disabilities is expected in the “near future”.
A spokeswoman for DPAC, which was formed by a group of disabled people in protest against austerity cuts, said she could not give any more details of what stage the UN investigation is at due to confidentiality, but that it would be “getting more active in the next few months”.
She said: “Quite simply we’d like disabled people’s rights to be respected rather than torn away at every opportunity.
“The inquiry has already shown that disabled people can and must fight back, not just in the UK but in other countries where violations are happening due to austerity and a wilful neglect of disabled people by governments.”
She added: “As the submission was put together by a team of three people it has proved…that we do not need to wait for big organisations to act, nor have a large staff or millions in funding to create change and resistance.”
DPAC said it first made a complaint over a ‘regression’ of disabled people’s rights to the UN’s CRPD in May 2013, based on statistics and personal testimonies, which was followed by a further submission of evidence.
The 41 issues which it has outlined include the impact of the bedroom tax, problems which have been caused by changes to disability benefits and an overall 1% cap on annual benefit rises.
The submission has also raised concerns about the impact of benefit sanctions and workfare programmes, as well as inaccessible public transport and cuts to mobility allowances.
The DPAC spokeswoman said: “Many disabled people are facing a multitude of attacks on their human rights and living standards.
“It is rarely just one or two issues per person. This is the crucial point in the current retrogression of the human rights of disabled people – attacks are being carried out in every area of our lives.”
http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/13648683.Revealed__contents_of_dossier_which_sparked_UN_probe_over_disabled__human_rights_violations_/?ref=rss
Medical guidance for DLA and AA decision makers (adult cases): staff guide
766 Page PDF
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/medical-guidance-for-dla-and-aa-decision-makers-adult-cases-staff-guide
Click to access a-z-adult-medical-conditions-jun-15.pdf
Medical guidance for DWP staff who make decisions on adult cases for Disability Living Allowance and for Attendance Allowance.
This guide is sometimes referred to by staff as the “A to Z of medical conditions”.
A-Z of medical conditions
This medical guidance covers medical conditions for adults. It’s for Disability Living Allowance and Attendance Allowance Decision Makers, developed by the Department’s Health and Wellbeing Directorate with help from experts involved in patient care. It contains background information on the more common medical conditions in DLA/AA claims, their treatment, the likely disabling effects together with the likely impact on ability to self care and get around. This guide is for staff who deal with claims for DLA and AA. It covers only the most common conditions they encounter – not all medical conditions. Decision Makers are advised to discuss with the Departments Medical Services provider if necessary. A-Z
How long will the needs last?
For first episodes of an Anxiety Disorder, the prognosis is uncertain for the first 6 to 12 months and it would be reasonable to award for a limited period whilst awaiting the outcome of response to treatment.
Similarly, for infrequent repeated episodes it would be reasonable to award for a limited period initially whilst awaiting the outcome of response to treatment.
Generalised Anxiety Disorder – How long will the needs last?
For first episodes of an Anxiety Disorder, the prognosis is uncertain for the first 6 to 12 months and it would be reasonable to award for a limited period whilst awaiting the outcome of response to treatment.
Similarly, for infrequent repeated episodes it would be reasonable to award for a limited period initially whilst awaiting the outcome of response to treatment.
Generalised Anxiety Disorder is a chronic condition Spontaneous remission is rare and exacerbations are common.
All information must be taken into account when considering the duration of disabling effects and the duration of disabling effects must be based on the particular circumstances of the individual claimant.
“”””For first episodes of an Anxiety Disorder, the prognosis is uncertain for the first 6 to 12 months and it would be reasonable to award for a limited period whilst awaiting the outcome of response to treatment.””””
Which means the DWP have not got a clue even with their A to Z maps of medical condition.
It seems that there was a programme on today on BBC Parliament (504) at 1430hrs (?) (immediately before cameron’s Refugee & Syria speech) today which involved House of Commons questions about Works & Pensions. I have been told that it was IDS & Priti Patel (& Justin Tomlinson) were grilled about what they are doing re their ‘Welfare Reforms’ and the terrible treatment to the sick & the disabled. Apparently they were dismissive and at times, told lies and also twisted the truth. IDS it seems told Debbie Abrahams to ‘stop screaming from the back benches’ when she had a perfectly good and reasonable question for IDS to answer. (& she wasnt ‘screaming’ it seems).
IDS is still the same sociopathic/psychopathic total bastard and Priti Patel is not much better. The law is at some time soon going to catch up with all of these cruel and sadistic fuckers – they have just got to wait and see!
I assume that BBC Parliament i-player (for today, Monday) may show this if anyone would like to have a look at these heated exchanges.
(That’s Sky Channel 504!)
BBC Parliament – a channel dedicated to showing old arty-farty windbags droning on about nothing and claming bucketloads of cash for just turning up and then falling asleep when nobody else is looking.
INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE DWP DECISION MAKERS HANDBOOK
1/ REGARDLESS OF THE SEVERITY OF THE DISABILITY, WHETHER PHYSICAL OR MENTAL, PRESUME THE CLAIMANT TO BE LYING.
2/ ISSUE STATEMENT TO CLAIMANT INDICATING THAT THEIR SOURCE OF INCOME HAS BEEN TERMINATED.
3/ REMEMBER TO ENTER SANCTION DELIVERY IN OFFICE TARGET LOG TO ACHIEVE DEPARTMENTAL BONUS SCHEME.
4/ SIT BACK AND RELAX, WAIT FOR CLAIMANT TO TERMINATE THEIR OWN LIFE.
5/ REWARD YOURSELF FOR JOB WELL DONE..
4/..close claim.
Just been announced! – A major Commons Government defeat in a vote over the EU Referendum – Cameron may be in trouble at last!!
Even some of his own MP’s have voted against him!!
There’s hope after all for us if windbag camoron gets the sack, along with the rest of the eton freeloaders.
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I’m not the only one then using various Firefox add-ons to block all the tracking and advert crap and just ending up with a clean website deviod of clutter and pop-up junk.
Is that all? 🙂 I have got 43 pieces of shit being blocked on this site!
Make that 51 pieces of shit being blocked!!
what add ons you using to find more I want to block the lot pal i have ghostery and adblock plus
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‘Donnottrack’ on firefox is another usual piece of kit I have used in the recent past. Any other add-ons I have are just to spruce up the appearance and speed of my firefox browser like ‘personaplus’ and ‘fasterfox’ – for network http speeds. I have one of these http network connection tweaks set at 65535.
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Fen, Russian Girls Are Desperate For Western Men To Marry.
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http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/carmichael-my-lying-was-political.html
‘Dunlop wheeled out his big guns for point two. His argument, essentially, is that all of Carmichael’s falsehoods were political rather than personal in character. Remember, under the Representation of the People Act, it is only an illegal act to lie about the “personal character and conduct” of a candidate. Over the years, the courts have developed an important distinction between personal character on one hand, and political or official character on the other. If your lies are political in character rather than personal – like those involving mad old Nicky Fairbairn in his election petition in the 1980s – Carmichael is home and dry. You can lie and lie till the cows come home without fear of losing your seat….’
Which is very similar to medical reports given by ATOS, MAXIMUS, CAPITA AND SEETEC.
If the falsehoods are political, then they are acceptable.
yes it’s intriguing and very revealing…provides @ the very least greater clarity into the system…a prime aim of the fundraiser that launched the original challenge…can run but cannot hide…
Elbow Grease is a total dickhead. Everyone should stop replying to the troll and then it will go away. It spoils my reading of the site to see that moron pop up with it’s constant right wing replies. What a horrible thing it is.
@ Cephalus. Take a look at my post about the things he said to me back on June 17th this year. It makes very interesting reading for all of us trying to get rid of the delusional little troll.
Maybe but I thought I give him a chance to change, by telling him how things really are. I’m afraid there is no hope for him.
Better to ignore him, Maria as getting into endless arguments with him prove no point whatsoever. It will get us nowhere to common ground. he is a lost cause whom chops and changes his work career when it suits him. I have his fast, ever-changing and varied work career for all to see further down these forum posts…
Cephalus – If you would like to find out if I have right-wing views, then don’t you think you should try asking me? Perhaps I can ask you a question… would you vote for a Corbyn-led Labour party at the next election?
cephalus – thanks for your words of support about EG – he has been irritating some of us for a while – he must be due to be banned again soon, as he admitted a couple of posts ago he was banned under a previous name, but Johnny’s probably very busy at the moment.
Fallow JCP – You think people should be banned just because they irritate you? It’s fortunate that you’re fast asleep all day when most people are working or looking for jobs, otherwise you would be irritated all day long!
clarification (for imbeciles such as EG) the above should read “he was banned under a previous name for petty personal attacks (such as he has begun again on this thread under the name of EG) and for using sock-puppets, as he has also done again”
Fellow JCP – Plenty of people on this site make personal attacks or use more than one logon concurrently (and the latter I do not). That’s not why you want me to be banned, is it? It’s because I have clearly and unambiguously proved that you are a hypocrite, a liar and a benefit fraudster.
EG – Since I am no longer replying to any of your posts (yes I know this is technically a reply) I do not care whether you are banned or not, and you have as usual made a wrong deduction (some scientist!) that I do – as I have said above to Maria, you are the liar. You have proved nothing!
Fallow – It’s not “technically a reply”, it IS a reply!!! Anyway, I’m pleased to hear that you don’t want me banned.
Rubbish! JV doesn’t allow multiple log ons. Anyone attempting to do so is handed a life time ban and all their posts deleted!
And Fellow JCP is NOT a “hypocrite, a liar and a benefit fraudster”. Try taking a look in the mirror EG if you want to see a hypocrite, liar and a benefit fraudster.
And Fellow JCP is NOT a “hypocrite, a liar and a benefit fraudster”. Try taking a look in the mirror EG if you want to see a hypocrite, liar and a benefit fraudster!
Majorca – Take a look in the mirror and you will see an idiot! How can somebody who doesn’t claim benefits be a benefit fraudster?
Some complete rubbish from Elbow Grease who likes to chop and change whatever work he is claiming to be in
First, he ‘works’ cleaning houses for a living –
Quote” I clean houses for a living. It’s a worthwhile job and I take pride in doing it very well.” unquote. Taken from a comment typed on June 17th, 2015 at 9:12am.
Quote ”I clean houses because it enables me to pay my bills and put food on the table. unquote. Taken from a comment he posted on June 17th, 2015 at 9:46am.
Quote ”Most workers in this industry work several jobs. It’s just the nature of the business that most jobs are small. Mine are mostly in the tourism sector. unquote. Taken from a comment he posted on June 17th, 2015 at 10:08am
NOW HE SAYS HE WORKS IN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. Is that a glorified buzz word for cleaning other people’s houses for a living and to make end meet by paying the bills? Can Elbow grease deny or prove those quotes are HIS very own words to me back in June 2015 or is he delusionsal as I suspect. Cleaning houses for a living to property managament is a pretty big career move for someone who clearly said to me that ”I clean houses for a living”
I would just ignore the fantasist. It’s a good bunch of people in here and this idiot is just trying to upset the applecart. Ignore the right wing scum and it will go away. The reason I come here is cause it’s refreshing to read the truth about what is going on right now with this murderous government and the last thing I want to see is horrible bastards like Elbow Grease as I see enough of them when I sign on..
Yes. My words exactly. If we all ingore the nobhead he’ll get bored and go away for good. No good any of us getting into pointless and stale arguments with ‘it’ as these arguments just go round and around in circles with no defining end or purpose.
If he finds me an enigma it is because he has upset me big time for his crass, insensitive comments towards anything I or others on here have to say about the issues of the day – be it government, work, lack or work, or anything else important that affects our lives on a daily basis.
The fool just finds everything as one big joke. He even pretends that the police warrant from surrey police is nothing to him. Only a fool will believe in himself to be more important and that his right-wing views overshod everybody else’s points of view.
Have a sneaking suspicion that ‘Elbow Grease’ is already ‘known’ to the Police! And also suspect that ‘Elbow Grease’ is a member of some ‘far right’ group.
@ Jduru
It does make me wonder that his ‘sole trader’ profession is actually a front or cover for other things that the police are interested in with him. Not much to go on if he says ”I am a sole trader” is it? I don’t know nothing else about his P.A.Y.E tax returns or exact type of profession if any, nor any of his business or customer base.
Does his customers of his house cleaning job know he could of interest to the police? If I was them I would run a fucking mile in the opposite direction to him.
It is now getting kind of obvious that ‘Elbow Grease’ is already under investigation by both the Police and HMRC.
…and no doubt MI5, NSA, CIA and Interpol too!
@ PeaP
Fucking good job if the police and HMRC are potentially investigating that shady character.
So I’m a “shady character” now, this is getting even funnier! What next…… an incognito Tory MP???
Oh dear Fen, you’re displaying your ignorance AGAIN. If somebody is self-employed then obviously they don’t pay tax via PAYE.
‘Elbow Grease’ doth protest too much… 😉
JDuru – You could try asking me what my political views are first! As a matter of fact I used to be a Labour party supporter and voter, until Blair and others turned it into Tory with extra hypocrisy!
Elbow grease working in property maintenance? Don’t make me laugh. With the blatant display or total arrogance against anybody else on here, I am surprised he passed the job interview, let alone even getting the job in the first place.
No one in their right mind would employ someone who brags a massive ego and chip on his shoulder and expects everyone in the workforce to see his point of view, however vicious it can get at times from him.
If he works in property maintenance why the silence over giving out the name of the company he ‘works’ for? Prove to me that you indeed work in this line of business by giving me the name of the company employing you so I can look it up in companies house website to verify it or not.
If you can’t or won’t give me hard evidence to back up your work claim and employment status, I will take it as you have something to hide and that you are not whom you say you are nor do you work in a high-end business. Either put up or shut up.
There was no interview, because I’m self-employed. There is no company, because I’m a sole trader. Got it now? Apparently you didn’t know, but there are a few million self-employed people in the UK.
[Sigh] Once again…… I said “property maintenance” not “property management”. You are ranting about your own inability to read!
So you didn’t read my post from 11:13am where I clearly mentioned at the beginning of my newer post ”property maintenance? You missed a trick there didn’t you, smart arse.
Excellent. You finally worked out that there is a difference. Well done!
Can we get back to the matter in hand rather than blitzing the page with endless crap.
Time Is Money & Time Is Life.
“Time Is Money” – Oh the irony!
Yes, where were we?: “It’s Never Been More Important To Ask What’s Wrong With Work” 😀
fen – as well as claiming he cleans houses for a living, he previously under a different banned name, claimed to be a scientist specialising in molecular biology! Maybe he cleans houses and is doing an OU course in molecular biology! Each to their own. I no longer reply directly to him as he is a waste of online time.
Is EG not GF? When OBD mentioned Tom Pride’s site i remember GF having a bust up with Pride on his site and getting banned.
I think we should be told!! 😀
raining – Whoever EG is I’m pretty sure he will be banned eventually again by Johnny, until he thinks up another sock-puppet for himself.
I posted on Tom Prides site right up until he ended it. In fact there are two of my posts on his very last blog page. Take a look……
He ended it when he banned you from his website.
Errmmm… when he ended it he banned everybody!
Nonsense! Tom Pride is on ‘holiday’ 😀
@ Fellow JCP
I remember that porky pie very well when the last incarnation on here of EG, under a different assumed name of him apparently working in molecular biology, didn’t go down to well with some of us.
Sooner or later he will return to annoy us all over again under yet another name and wil have yet another ‘career’ that he is currently involved in. Forget about cleaning houses for a living or working in life science, or now as he told me himself recently that he is a ‘sole trader’
Funny that. Since when does a ‘sole trader’ clean houses for a living, or later work in the tourism sector, or later again work in property maintenance? A Trader, by definition, buys and sells items and saleable products either on eBay, gumtree or at a car boot auction and anything left over that can’t be sold this way is flogged on a flea-stall in the local saturday market. Del boy from Only Fools And Horses springs to mind…
He’s gone through more fucking jobs in six weeks than I have had hot dinners in that time period. Next he’ll be telling us he works as a holiday rep. in Cyprus or that he has worked briefly as a secretary to the likes of David Camoron, or has worked caring animals in the zoo.
I never did believe any of his cock-and-bull stories of working in any of these ‘jobs’ that he has claimed to been in. Earlier I mentioned that he was just some spotty acne-ridden 18 yr old just trying to pull the wool over our eyes and he had the fucking cheek to mess with me – somebody who is street-wise and also world-weary from experiencing the good and bad that life throws at me. Nothing of what he said made any sense to me and probably not to other good people on here neither, except just to wind them into endless arguments.
‘Elbow Grease’ is the same nobhead who in a previous incarnation was born on a run-down council estate, pulled themselves up by the bootstraps, and had built up a £ multi-million property empire. Oh, and their ‘wife had beaten cancer’. Same fucking nobhead!
‘molecular biology’ probably means taking a close-up look at the shit they scrape of off the toilet pan!!
I used to be a scientist, now I’m a self-employed doing cleaning and property maintenance. Why on earth would I lie about that?
Oh, look I see pigs flying through the sky again.
go on them tell us a bit of science and try not to make it sound as though you have lifted it from Wikipedia. Just so you know I like to dabble in science because I take an interest in it, prove to us and blind us with science.
Maria – If there’s something in the molecular biology field you would like me to try to explain then I’ll do my best, though in the last few years I haven’t kept up with all the latest developments. I guarantee it won’t be lifted from Wikipedia!
It does not matter whether it is current or not give me a lesson in biology
OK – Here’s a lesson for you… Some men wrote in a book that god created everything in a few days only a few thousand years ago, so all of science is wrong.
you will find that comes under physics and is more debate about what happens based on scientific results, a theory that is yet unproven. I asked you to discuss molecular biology based at a molecular level. Having dabbled in pharmaceutical chemistry, What is the relation to perception of drugs and how they interact with the human body, in one word please?
No Maria, evolution comes under biology, and is driven by molecular biology. Do you think your bible is correct or full of crap?
I did not ask to have debate on whether god exists or not, I accept fully that it is your choice not to believe and I would not force you, to believe otherwise, but if that is all your field extends to then explain to me the theory of evolution works, in the form of a summary please?
Maria – What the fuck???? You want me to explain evolution to you? Are you saying that you’ve never before tried to understand it? Your mind is even more closed than I thought!
of course I have heard the theory of evolution, you are the one who wanted to talk about it, you brought it up, I asked in your own words, to explain the theory of evolution to me, its a simple request, or can you not deliver it?
I could explain evolution to you, but why would I waste my time explaining something you say you already know? The actual question is whether you agree with its validity, or do you think your bible is right and your god created all organisms in the form they currently are?
Maria – “though in the last few years I haven’t kept up with all the latest developments.” HA HA HA HA! AS I SAID BEFORE, SOME SCIENTIST! i SEE HE’S CHANGED THE SUBJECT AGAIN, IN HIS COMMENTS BELOW THIS, TO RELIGION BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT SCIENCE AND HE KNOWS YOU WOULD FIND HIM TO BE A LIAR, WHICH WE ALL KNOW HE IS ANYWAY.
“molecular biology’ probably means taking a close-up look at the shit they scrape of off the toilet pan!!” Well said, EGIAN!
and what is you title, you don’t have to give your name, just the title after it, what qualifications and where did you study?
you are stalling Elbow grease I asked to test your knowledge, I thought you hated cheats, yet you would cheat me out of my much anticipated lesson? a medical qualification? I never said you had to have a medical qualification. However if you had been to university you would still obtain a title whatever you study.
Maria – If you think it’s possible to explain biology in a paragraph or two then you are a closed-minded moron, as all fundamentalist Christians are.
I asked you a specific question that can in a nutshell be answered in one word, but if you would like to answer it in more than one word you are welcome to do so. Or alternatively you can explain some of molecular science, I’m not asking for all of it there simply isn’t enough room on the blog, prove to me you know something about what you say you do and stop stalling. You must have a scientific qualification that reaches beyond A-level science or no one will employ you as a molecular scientist.
“What is the relation to perception of drugs and how they interact with the human body” doesn’t even make sense in English! Try again……
Ok, put more simply, how does one group of drugs, for example painkillers, know which part of the body to target in order to bring effective pain relief, or what ever the intended function of said drug is? you can answer in one simple short word.
Maria – Wow!!! You really are remarkably stupid. Obviously drugs don’t “know” anything!
If you want to pretend to other readers that you know something about small molecule interactions, then fine… go ahead.
According to Mr Graham L. Patrick in his book ‘An Introduction to Medicinal Chemistry’ Published by Oxford University Press. That the molecular structure of drugs fits together with different parts of the molecular structure of the body, other wise the drugs you take, namely painkillers could for example affect the production of hormones, the fact that they do not. That is a simple basic introduction for the way in which chemical reactions occur in the body for specify related things. That is pretty basic stuff. Physics now, its my favourite branch of science. Explain in full detail the precise mean of the equation E=MC2.
maybe we can go into quarks, top, bottom, up, down, strange, charm, maybe the new higgs boson, oh as a Christian, I am so ignorant to know about. What about the tectonic plate movements as in geology?
“namely painkillers could for example affect the production of hormones, the fact that they do not.”
You don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about…. analgesia can and does effect hormones – adrenaline, to give just one example.
I’m not sure if you’re trying to impress me with your ‘knowledge’, or somebody else. You’re certainly failing with me.
I don’t claim to have a degree in science just a interest in it, I was using is as an example, can have more than one function, or you wouldn’t get allergies, I was using it as a example to prove my point that drugs won’t effect every part of the body, because of the chemical reactions that can take place, the term keys is used the right cells interact with the right medication.
No, we are having a discussion. It is your knowledge I wanted to test not to flaunt my own, I merely wanted to see if you knew any thing about biology, I asked you a direct question, but you never seem to give a direct answer, you beat around the bush instead, looking for ways to insult people at every opportunity you get, what on Earth do you get out of treating people in such ways? it is futile trying to have a decent conversation and no wonder the others have given up on you, you would try the patience of a saint.
grow up EG and let me know when you have.
You believe silly stories about the natural world around and within you, which can easily be ridiculed by a child with the most basic understanding of science… and you think I should grow up???
Let me put it clearly for you – You and the teachings of your religion are WRONG. No ifs, no buts, purely and simply fucking WRONG.
Even in these days of inflated job titles, I think “a bog cleaner” describing themselves as a Molecular biology scientist is ever so slightly OTT.
The word evolution simple means to change, the world and universe changes over time and nobody disputes that. It is perfectly valid that the genetic encoded in DNA exists, and if you will read the bible you will find references to it. The fact is that some people believe that the theory of evolution indicates that there is no go is wrong, it is a mere suggestion that to some peoples minds could be an alternative belief, for those who want to believe there is no God. It does not prove there isn’t one, nor does it prove there is and that is why we have our beliefs.
Maria – HA HA HA HA HA!!!! You are ACTUALLY claiming that the bible refers to DNA!!! So are SO fucking deluded. I’m going to remember this one, it’s almost too bizarre to believe!
Come on then – give everybody the chapter and verse……
I let you read it for yourself, the bible was never meant to be taken literally, if you want meaning out of it you have to search for it yourself. You need an ability to red between the lines and not take everything quite so literally, you will understand what it means, if you paid more close attention. Although why we have got into this debate about whether God exists or not is beyond me, I did not ask for it.
So, are you saying that NO part of the bible can be taken literally?
grown ups know what the word tolerance means, and you need a great degree of it to have any discussion with you. Can you see yourself, you act like a spoilt child, how about learning some manners before lecturing people to grow up?
Tolerance? Do you think Christians teaching children lies about the world around them should be tolerated?
then prove it yourself then, as up to now no one has ever proved God, doesn’t exist, even Richard Dawkins says he is agonistic and not an atheist because he can’t prove there is not a God, the theory that there isn’t a God is what is says just a Theory, but if you can do what even Stephen Hawking can’t do then go and do it, if my belief bother you so much, and I don’t even know why they should, then prove it. If you don’t believe in God what on Earth is with your obsession of religion, more importantly what is you obsession with Christianity. Did I mention Christianity to you? no you brought it u because JCP’s choice of beliefs fascinate you so much you keep bringing it up? why are you insecure of your own beliefs. I will discuss my beliefs with JCP because it is a free country just as it is your freedom to talk about evolution. How dare to dictate to anyone what is said on this blog when it is not even yours to begin with. Now go and join your proposed relations at the bottom of the pond, the world could do without people like you God or no God.
I just told you what the problem with your religion is. You are teaching lies to children.
Ah so you have been reading science of the Discworld then, good for you.
No, I’ve never read any of Pratchett’s books. It’s lies such as the one YOU just told, when you said that the bible contains references to DNA. Or that a decomposing corpse can come back to life and walk around.
Maria – I note EG still has not given you the title of his degree! Since he’s such a complete liar it’s a wonder he hasn’t given it! He’s tried and failed to deflect attention and scrutiny from himself by attacking you and Christianity. All you wanted was some information about molecular biology which he claims to be an expert in, and he changed the subject instantly and started verbally abusing and insulting you. EG IS AN UNASHAMED LIAR ABOUT HIS “CAREER” IN MOLECULAR BIOLOGY – THANKS FOR PROVING IT! (We’ve already proved he is a liar about many other things).
@ Elbow Grease – mind your fucking language!!
So, Elbow Grease – where did we all come from? And where do we all go to when we die? Bet you can’t answer those fundamental questions… 😉
The Christians – “So, Elbow Grease – where did we all come from? And where do we all go to when we die? Bet you can’t answer those fundamental questions… ;)”
We all came from our mother’s belly, and we will all decompose after we die. You have to be pretty fucking thick not to know that! Most 5 year olds do!
…or arguably I still am a scientist, as I still have my qualifications and publications.
Well why don’t you fuck off back to university again and return to experimenting on poor, defenceless animals instead of coming on here all day long boring us all with endless arguments and thinking that you are ‘right’ and only your opinion matters.
And another thing, stop the crass, insenstitive remarks and comments to me and maybe I will stop being vindictive against you. I only respind in a certain manner to peoplpe if they are like it to me to begin with. If you were nice to me to start with I would have never got wound up and upset over your replies.
In future, whatever Johnny Void has a s anew forum thread, please stick to it and not start a war with other people on here like you have done. It doesn’t prove a point nor gets you anywhere. If you are nice to people, they are nice back. If you insult them or are crass, people will respond back in the same manner to you.
Ok wise guy. If you are still a scientist by heart and by profession, where are your manners towards other people, or isn’t that what university or school never taught you!
You what???….. and you think threatening somebody with violence is GOOD manners?
You wound me up with your crass comments to begin with. If you had been nice to me at the start I would have never said any thing of the sort in retaliaition.
It’s not acceptable to threaten somebody with violence just because you got a bit wound up.
Things get said in the heat of the moment if wise cracks or other are not in the best taste, especially when I have enough shit from my JCP who clearly don’t give a flying fuck about me. I am constantly jobsearching whenever I can through the day just to get to muppets happy, but enough that is not enough for them anymore.
I have enough to deal with the JCP being twats with me. The last thing I want is crass comments or wisecracks directed at me for me simply speaking my mind about the government.
Fen – If you check back you will find that it was YOU who started with insults to me… “Tory troll” comes to mind.
And another thing, Mr. Scientist. If your medical career is going down the pan and you have to go self-employed elsewhere to earn a crust, thinktwice before coming on here and being crass to the rest of us struggling to find work or struggling to keep a roof over our heads.
Life is not a bed of roses for those people never given a chance to go to university to mix drugs and medicine in a hope to cure all diseases and life-threatening conditions. Please remember that I was in hospital many years ago due to a life-threatening situation that if left unchecked would have killed me.
My time in hospital having an emergency operation to basically save my life still haunts me to this day 30 years later.
Mine wasn’t a medical career. Try Googling “molecular biology” if you’re interested in learning something, which I doubt very much. And I left because I wanted to work for myself rather than a big organisation.
I’m glad that science and medicine saved your life, as it has for countless other people too. Maybe you should think twice before denigrating the scientists who work hard to help people like you.
For once I would like to say thank you for showing concern over my haunting operation 30 years ago. See, if you are nice to me I can be nice back in a civil manner. Any wise cracks that are not welcome and I will say anything that is on my mind, even taking it further.
If things spiral out of control, anything can get said in the heat of the moment, even threats of violence if the purputrator keeps coming back with comments with intent to keep the situation or argument inflamed.
You want me to be nice and my usual cheery self in bitching against the government and passing on useful bits of information to help other people on here? All you have to do is ask nicely and show some respect to me. it is all that I ask.
“‘and publications.”
Titles ?
it may keep him quiet for a while he does something productive with his time and brushes up on the subject of molecular biology.
Hopefully now he’ll realise with my latest comments that coming out with wisecracks against anything I have said previously about the government, etc is not the way to go about trying to solve this country’s problems and be a lone voice for the better good.
It looks like your career is going down the pan.
You must be just too lazy to do some jobsearch and get a proper job.
Are you saying that cleaning and building maintenance isn’t a proper job? I think there are countless cleaners, roofers, plumbers, painters, etc. who would disagree with you… including me.
Ok this is a very long post, but this time-line will show you how and why Jobcentre and Work Programme (Ingeus) has left me with a mental scar that won’t heal, due to staff non-function and management /staff corruption to try and hide it all by staff at Jobcentre and Ingeus
Day 1 at Ingeus (work programme) 02/12/2011 Nothing happens and advisor misses his other appointments.
March 2012 and first signs of staff being in no fit state to advise or function at their posts; after first appointment with next advisor he fails to put me (and others) back into system, so no Ingeus activity of any kind until 10/09/2012, following Ealing jobcentre’s intervention.
For around four weeks from 10/09/2012 intensive workshops and CV making (should have been completed many months earlier). “Go through the yellow pages cold calling all companies, until a vacancy is found” we are told, and to make sure that is all we do, the computers those who were “re-entered into programme” have to use, are adjusted to stop clients uploading CV’s to job applications!!! (surely that’s fraud for a Work Programme?).
Next advisor October/November 2012, and all details of my skills, CV, email address are lost (previous advisors fault?). This new advisor was unfit to function, she finds a weird CV that has strange work history and looks nothing like a CV (product of the pre-March 2012 period by an unfit to function advisor). I email her the correct one, but she is incapable of removing the previous one from the Ingeus-Works portal. So both will now go to any vacancies I apply to from that site. I’m warned by others that she has a drug problem, and it shows, her substance is different to the others who just got stoned, hers was obviously a chemical type, she wasn’t buzzing, she was tripping on duty. She is useless and more or less non-existent as an advisor.
Jump forward to Valentines day 2013, job-station computers for 11-15 February only available in mornings, due to afternoon workshop activity, posters had been telling everyone. But on 14/02/2013 @ 09:30hrs and we are all turned away from the computers, they claim there are morning workshops. My previous advisor forgets he’s not been my advisor for three months and tries to stop me from complaining. I say I want to see my own advisor, she’d been put right down the far end of the office, as far away from clients as she can be, with another advisor. She was so spaced out that it was clear no-one would get any sense from her that day, same for the other sat with her. From here on things get really bad.
Following under the influence “personal attention” from said female advisor (causing some clients to think it was me supplying her with her drugs), and the local Ingeus manager repeatingly claiming she “could not discuss the matter”, plus emails to Ingeus going unanswered, the local Jobcentre steps in and, gives me permission to “stay away from her (advisor) as she is trouble/dangerous” (she’d just ceased to be my advisor). That was like a safety valve had been lifted, I could now make it clear I was not noticing her (I was becoming scared by now over what would happen next, and the pressure of all this on me was starting to become obvious to others).
This talking openly by me and others about drug use on duty by the staff causes a panic at Ingeus Ealing. They send some of us to Brent (Wembley) Ingeus. But would not risk a fresh Wembley advisor asking “what has happened so far?” So we get another drug using advisor (the one sat with the previous advisor on 14/02/2013). And we have to carry on as if Ealing client too.
I instantly refuse him and ask for another Advisor.
An appointment (April 2013) between me, Ingeus manager (Ealing), and Ealing JCP was made to discuss the move to Wembley, but the Ingeus manager (Ealing) failed to show (if she did show, it’d have been discussed and gone on JCP record that Ingeus Ealing has a serious drug problem with it’s staff). This advisor sent to Wembley with us Ealing clients soon showed his drug habit to all. To me it was speaking like a child on the phone, emails with weird non-existent dates for appointments, text appointments sent hours after the appointment time, etc.
Phone calls to clients from Wembley (now it is June/July 2013) tell us our advisor will not be in as “he has his serious habit problem” to deal with first, while the operations manager for Ingeus West London denies the drug use to JCP (also July 2013). Sanctions start to take effect.
I show the “under the Influence” emails, appointments, and mention the “not denied by Wembley Ingeus” drug issues leading to them, to my Jobcentre advisor.
Here the advisors bottle went, she knew Ingeus management were trying to cover up the substance abuse issue. She also knew if she’d intervene, she could halt my JSA suspension, but did not have the bottle to do so. Even JCP Glasgow stepped in to investigate why advisor would not help in any form.
Ingeus’ reaction to me showing the “under the influence” emails etc to JCP Glasgow was to give me a “Fake advisor”. This leads to my appointments showing “did not attend” (but also stopped the emails and texts). I could prove to JCP Glasgow my attendance, due to having to sign in and receive a proof of attendance ticket at the security desk at Wembley Ingeus, before reaching the Ingeus office.
One final appointment at Ingeus was on 11/12/2013, this was the BIG ONE! A Mandatory one called a “DNA caseload” (Did Not Attend caseload). Here I get to discuss all of the above and it will have to go on record. As you can probably guess, they fail to hold the meeting. I’m there 10 minutes early, others with appointments for this woman get seen. The kid on the front desk not really knowing how to deal with the situation of an advisor with a Mandatory appointment not wanting to hold it.
That mandatory appointment if held would of provided me with the evidence to overturn the JSA Sanction that ran from 23rd June 2013 to 17 December 2013. Again Ealing Jobcentre lost it’s bottle and would not take them to task over not holding such a crucial and mandatory appointment.
So Six months without JSA and all due to the Jobcentre and work programme’s inability to do it’s job. Note I’m 53 years old, not a youngster who doesn’t have any history.
Ingeus, papworth trust, seetec.
They are all fucking parasites leeching off people on their books. Money for old rope is the expression I care to use for them.
Iain Duncan Smith calls people without a disability ‘normal’
The Guardian – Tuesday 8 September 2015 13.42 BST
Work and pensions secretary criticised for Commons remark as he prepares radical overhaul of sickness benefit rules
Work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith has been criticised for referring to people without a disability as “normal”.
The Conservative cabinet minister made the remarks in the House of Commons as he defended the government’s record on getting more people with a disability back into work.
“I think the figure is now over 220,000, which I believe is the highest figure since records began, in proportionate terms, but the most important point is that we are looking to get that up to the level of normal, non-disabled people who are back in work. Those with disabilities have every right and every reason to expect exactly the same support into work that everybody else gets,” he said.
He was criticised by Eilidh Whiteford, the SNP social justice spokeswoman, who heard the comments in the chamber and said they provided a “shocking insight” into Duncan Smith’s mentality.
Unite, the trade union, said “shame on IDS and his shocking language” about disabled people, while the PCS union said the remarks were “disgraceful”.
His comments come at a sensitive time, as the work and pensions secretary is planning a radical overhaul of sickness benefits that the government hopes will force up to 1 million more disabled people into work.
Changes to employment and support allowance and the assessment of people claiming sickness benefits are aimed at shrinking the “disability employment gap” by taking many people off benefits and expecting them to move into work.
Some disability campaigners claim they are being targeted as part of a £12bn cut in the welfare bill, and a group of protesters have clashed with police in the House of Commons after they tried to storm the chamber during prime minister’s questions to protest against benefit cuts.
A letter to the Guardian from more than 100 charities in June argued that the hard-won rights of people with a learning disability to live independent lives were being eroded as a result of government cuts to benefits and social care services.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/08/iain-duncan-smith-disability-normal-commons
IDS DISABILITY HATE CRIMES.
This is a disgraceful statement from IDS. It just goes to show how deluded and insane this psychopath actually is. He needs to be stopped and stopped very soon.
“MICHAEL FALLON, CAMERON’S LITTLE WARMONGER”
……….Politicians no longer need the backing of parliament to go to war, nor a nod from the United Nations, just the instinct of one, lone, guns blazing, renegade…………..
The nearest that Fallon has been to war is a comic book he read as a child, a complete dipstick ready to plunge more of our armed forces into body bags.
Politicians are brainless in thinking what the outcomes will be of a moments stupidity, indeed the refugee crisis is part of Britain’s gung ho approach to a political situation.
We are but a tiny island but we have more of our share of idiots in the political arena.
Britain’s days of sabre rattling are long gone, now an army of reservists waiting to come home limbless and chat to a MAXIMUS thief.
Give your life to fight for your country, i wouldn’t cross the road to piss on our evil leadership, in fact the poor and disabled would probably be better off under an enemy dictatorship than what we have at present, DUNKO THE CLOWN….
One thing will be for certain, the likes of Fallon will be further from the theatre of war than anybody else, poking sticks in wasp nests for others to sort out.
Dig deep and you will find Tory weapons donors slavering to fill their pockets and the bankers looking to reign in more debts.
We are not governed by the politicians that represent the views of the electorate, the multinationals pull the strings.
Whats a few more bodies to the Conservatives, MURDOCH WILL BURY THE STORIES AS WE BURY OUR DEAD…….
Geoff – Very true – Fallon does not know anything about the MOD as you say – and also, that arch-liar Rupert Murdoch should be prosecuted for all of the lies carried out for him by his ‘tabloid’ underlings.
If it was’nt for our Media these bastard Toies may not even be in power.
Meanwhile, the BBC 6PM News this evening was little more than a load of obvious propaganda – it seems to be becoming ever more ‘controlled’
There desperately needs to be a full and independent investigation done, especially with regard to the BBC and Sky News (regarding bias and also, now extensive ‘propaganda’, seemingly to ‘soften up the public’ and also help to protect Government Ministers and their policies).
Far from being ‘too left wing, as the BBC is often portrayed – it is definitely right-wing in it’s broadcasting.
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Fen – The posts are getting too nested above, so let’s make a new start from your thought about “the way to go about trying to solve this country’s problems”.
Absolutely right! So, what suggestions do you or any of the intelligent contributors here have?
Well for a start there are over 1,000 posts on this thread alone and it is buggering up my internet, causing it to crawl.
If I have any thoughts about the mess this country is in I’d be saying stuff on the new thread started yesterday.
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