Like Feeding Time At The Fucking Zoo – Workfare Industry Hijacks In-Work Sanctions Inquiry

snouts“ERSA believes it would be more appropriate to utilise the skills and experience which exists in the employment provider community”  The Employment Related Service Association (ERSA – the trade body established to lie on behalf of the employment provider community – better known as the workfare industry)

“We strongly believe that such in-work support should be contracted out, and would suggest that the existing work-based learning infrastructure would be in a prime position to achieve the results required.”  Association of Employment and Learning Providers (also ERSA, more or less).

“Stronger alignment and integration of housing associations into Universal Support and in-work employment support would help engage those facing complex barriers and improve outcomes” – National Housing Federation who represent housing associations.

“The Government should take a holistic approach to in-work progression, ensuring that employers, skills providers and employment support organisations are all involved.” Remploy, better known as Maximus, who can handily claim to be an employer, a skills provider and an employment support organisation.

“National Numeracy can help identify, assess and address poor numeracy …  among job seekers …” – National Numeracy

“The Department for Work and Pensions should therefore look to other organisations who deliver specialist job retention and in-work services with a strong track record.” Mental health charity MIND (hint, hint)

“If Universal Credit is to be truly ‘universal’ then no claimant groups should be exempt.” – Workfare company Learn Direct

“We think that charities could play an important role in the delivery of in-work progression.”   –  lone parent charity Gingerbread

“Specialist organisations already providing support to vulnerable claimants are a key resource. “ Homelessness charity Centrepoint .

“Delivery of pilots, research, consultation and communication could be achieved in partnership with BITC and its business membership base.”  BITC (Business in the Community)

It’s like feeding time at the fucking zoo.  The above quotes come from submissions to the recent government inquiry into changes to the social security system which will see benefit sanctions for part time workers.  This means that when Universal Credit is finally introdeced then claimants without a full time job will face payments being stopped or reduced for non-compliance with Jobcentre demands to  constantly look for more or better paid work.  They could even be sent on workfare in the hours they are not working.   The Work and Pensions Select Committee, a group of MPs who scrutinise DWP policy, carried out the enquiry into these measures which are already being piloted in some parts of the UK.

The responses to the inquiry from the welfare-to-work industry  – the toxic mixture of private companies and so-called charities involved in mandatory workfare and training programmes – were united in one demand.  They all want some money in the form of juicy government contracts to run any future scheme.

This is despite them almost all acknowledging that introducing benefit conditionality for part time workers has never been tried anywhere in the world and that there is no evidence it will be effective.  It is also despite the fact that the proposed system is to be backed by a horrifying benefit sanctions regimes which will see even those with jobs living in unprecedented poverty if they are sanctioned.  And of course it ignores the stark reality that it is near certain that no part-time worker in history has ever wished they could be sent on an unpaid work scheme or mandatory CV workshop in the hours they are not working.

It is true that many charities say they are opposed to sanctions for part-time workers whilst even the more naked profiteers such as private companies like Maximus raise concerns.  ERSA, who represent the industry, have used the enquiry to lobby for all in-work conditionality to be managed outside of Jobcentres – a long standing aim from an organisation which seeks to place all DWP services in private hands.  Others call for sanctions to be fair, or to not affect those they call vulnerable too badly.

Some are transparent in their self-interest such as the National Housing Federation who want ‘stronger integration of housing associations’ into any future scheme suggesting they could act as formal contractors and sub-contractors..  Their only concerns about benefit sanctions are focussed on those with rent arrears or special rent payment arrangements who they say should be excluded from conditionality.

A few submissions call for any in-work conditionality to be voluntary such as the one from Gingerbread, who want working lone parents to be exempt from sanctions.  They also insist however that charities should be involved in running the scheme and it is this that reveals the cynicism that now exists within the voluntary sector.  Gingerbread also oppose benefit sanctions for unemployed single parents.  That didn’t stop them running a lucrative Work Programme scheme where they were contractullay required to report lone parents to the Jobcentre for sanctions in cases of non-compliance.  We hate this, they say, it is unethical and counter to our charity’s objectives.  So we want a lot of money for doing it is the real message.

Of course some submissions to the inquiry were harsh in their criticism.  Boycott Workfare say no claimants should face sanctions whether in work or not and that the record of organisations running mandatory schemes is “a catalogue of corruption, violation of work and safety standards, and abuse.”  Oxfam warn that in-work sanctions are overly punitive, fail to take into account employer behaviour and could drive people into poverty. Parkinson’s UK say that neither the voluntary or the private sector should be involved in any future scheme and slam the ‘systemic failure’ of current benefit related health assessments.  The University of York who have a team studying benefit sanctions say “in practice, in-work conditionality can be counterproductive – undermining work incentives and opportunities rather than reinforcing them.”  And the PCS Union demand that “under no circumstances would it be appropriate to sanction an in-work claimant”, adding “but don’t expect us to do anything about it”.  Actually I added that bit.

The difference between these organisation, and those mentioned previously, is that none of them have been involved in welfare-to-work programmes.  As such there is no financial incentive for them to modify their demands. They have no need or desire to sell out their principles for thirty pieces of silver from the DWP.  So they are rightly damning of these proposals which are based on some horseshit Iain Duncan Smith scribbled down on the back of an envelope one day and new Work and Pensions Secretary Stephen Crabb is too cowardly to scrap.

In-work benefit sanctions could leave those working part time abandoned to survive on just a few pounds a day, for months, or even years at a time.  They are perhaps the most vicious social security legislation yet, from this or any previous government.  Those sanctioned will face a desperate choice between eating, or paying to get to work.  Homelessness, destitution and unemployment will be the likely outcome for many.  All of the organisations that responded to this enquiry know this.  Some don’t care.  A few oppose it outright and are prepared to say so.  But most are content to whinge a bit and then use the enquiry to make sure that if this system is to be widely introduced then at least they will make some money from it.  Those whopping charity chief executive salaries won’t pay themselves after all.

You can read all the submissions to the inquiry at: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/work-and-pensions-committee/inquiries/parliament-2015/universal-credit-15-16/publications/

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219 responses to “Like Feeding Time At The Fucking Zoo – Workfare Industry Hijacks In-Work Sanctions Inquiry

  1. Philippa Jane Brown

    Excellent!

    • Reading some of these articles is like reading some twisted but compelling science fiction and the terrifying thing is its all true!!!!!!!

  2. Feeding Frenzy

    “The monkeys will be fed at 5 o’clock”

  3. Dissidentdiva

    Feeding frenzy for all – EXCEPT THE POOR FUCKING CLAIMANTS. Stop Britain, I want to get off….

  4. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    It is going to take a lot of Work Coaches on £28,000 a year. When your feeling low your work coach can motivate you & cheer you up with their extra bonus processing you. Don`t you want to be a successful confidence tricksters like me. Work Coaches work 36 hours a day & you can do the same. That`s just on paper or is that the Claimant Commitment. Turn that smile upside down & piss off work coach.

    • Dissidentdiva

      Work Roaches are bad for our health, and should carry a health warning like cigs.WARNING! contact with roaches can cause despair, nervous breakdown, poverty and death. Close contact to be avoided. If this cannot be avoided, please shower or bathe as soon as possible – if you can afford to heat your water, BENEFIT SCUM.

  5. Maybe we should all become coaches..

  6. Justin Greenwood

    you mean like all these trustworthy good meaning companies like capita, maximus, atos who staff skills appertaining to the role are so supremely excellent that there are appeals at tribunals and in some cases complaints against the companies, they are also good at hiring professionals, lets see we do a bi-polar assessment shall we, who shall we use to do this assessment a qualified mental health nurse, a registered general nurse or a physiotherapist who actual specialisation is sports physiotherapy, you guessed it we use the sports physiotherapist, why else do certain companies and certain people use other websites to look for jobs, because they want to do a job that fits what there looking for, not punting leaflets through doors for commission only, or working for companies with a track record of bullying who cant get the staff because of that record, these outsourcing companies need to be independantly regulated and independantly subject to spot check inspections and should they breach any regulations massive expensive fines, take note of that comment Capita and Atos.

  7. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Do you hire disabled work coaches. No & why not discrimination.

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      So a person that works is not disabled !!!!!!

      • Dissidentdiva

        Your right to claim disability has been disabled.If you insist on being disabled, we will make sure you are re educated to think otherwise. Starvation is good tutor, you will learn fast.

  8. I served this country for14 years now what do do the vets get from this country?????it all boils down to the boss cameron u never got your ass shot off bosnia 96 ur a fuckin wanker and havent a fuckin clue.theres countries out there that need urgent aid if i could help with or without your help i would instead of winging how hard up your country is u tosspot.get to reality instead of a dreamworld itl do u more good

    • Dissidentdiva

      andy – this country needs help. It’s poor are being commodified and enslaved by UJM and the parasites outlined above, all instigated by the Corporate Elite. We are worth dollar, not to ourselves, but to them.

  9. Rosemarie Harris

    I just don’t see how these so called charity’s are fighting for the people they claim to be and yet in the next breathe say we would be better than someome else in pressuring someone who is working but not enough hours. We need to stop these charity’s getting donations from the public. When monies are involved they can’t wait to fuck someone’s life up and say It’s the Government. The work programme was a fucking waste of people who were worth more then these bunch of wankers put together. Why are we paying these companies for failure… or perhaps they were supposed to fail and they did what the Government knew all along ..Never trust anyone from Government.

    • Dissidentdiva

      Rosemarie, your last 5 words should be tattooed, for free, on all right thinking people. Most of the general public are sheeple, they will think it’s lovely how the charities will be ‘helping people’ We are the sheep dogs, more knowing, more thinking. We must spread the word about what is really happening. Round up the sheeple in right direction.

  10. The filthy charities will all be lining up and wetting themselves in anticipation of the loads of dough they will get for fucking people over and destroying their lives! EVIL BASTARDS!

  11. Breaking News

    Ken Loach’s film I, Daniel Blake has won the Palme d’Or at the Cannes Film Festival. The film explores the devastating effect of the UK welfare system on a 59-year-old Newcastle man after a heart attack. Loach attached the “dangerous project of austerity”. Congratulations, Ken!🙂 Well done!🙂

    • Dissidentdiva

      😀😀😀

    • British director Ken Loach’s film I, Daniel Blake has won the Palme d’Or at Cannes Film Festival.

      “It documents what happens when an older man living in Newcastle has a heart attack and can no longer do his job.”

      This has already been toned down; in the original copy it was: “The film explores the devastating impact of the UK welfare system on a middle-aged man from Newcastle after a heart attack”.

      Even Ceefax has altered the wording.

      Probably on the orders of IDS or Crabb as it is now.

      • In fact, this sounds something that the DWP Press Office would write: it is written in the same smarmy language as those bastards who write the ‘provide guidance’ and all that crap. They will probably re-re-word it to: “The film document the help and support offered by Jobcentre Plus to a sick man, and gives an insight into the benefits of intensive tailored one-to-one support given by his personal work coach and the opportunities offered to gain work experience as part of the Jobcentre’s help to work package”.

      • Well spotted Eagle Eye. Ken Loach has been on R4s ‘Today’ just now where he was of course congratulated on winning@Cannes. Presenter then tried to discuss everything but the story (Universal Injustice/Universal Inequality/Universal Jobsnatch).

        “It must be because you used a great team/cinematographer? – British”. (`A la Full Monty). “No, it’s more that people everywhere recognise the despair in dealing with a cruel bureacracy, out to deny them what they know they’re entitled to …”. The clue was in the clip they’d just played which was exactly straight from life. Go Ken.

        I think the reason it’s won is also to do with the use of subtitles during Cannes – due to the Newcastle setting/potential for audiences to not catch all of the important dialogue – they would’ve still seen the message loud & clear though – films with subtitles play well there tho’.

        Could this make a difference – people being denied money to subsist on/feed their children for running 5 minutes late by the jobcentre up there on the big screen – writ large? Cry Freedom showed South African township’s massacre and Peter Gabriel wrote/sang about the (sudden/’unexplained’) death of Steve Biko in custody which was as a result of his political activism/voicing dissent. I Daniel Blake has been made & is out there – high profile & speaking truth etc. What, if any, difference can this make to policy? It’s got to be taken & run with/capitalised on …

        • (In fact the cinematographer is Irish & so that didn’t really work as a ‘theme’ for discussing the film’s success).

          • She also tried to say “… but there’s a lot of support in the country for what the Gvt. has done (eg. The Benefit C(r)ap” …

            Again, this didn’t really work and the answer was “Perhaps they [‘supporters’] should listen less to the Today programme (BBC) then …” & he calmly referenced that there is widespread despair at how we are living/sanction system and an ‘acceptance’ of foodbanks being part of the national landscape. Is Jeremy Corbyn now going to stand up & echo this (?)

      • Auntie Beeb has re-worked her copy again:

        The film is about a middle-aged widower who has a heart attack and can no longer do his job – but who finds his benefits stopped.

    • “The light-hearted comedy set in a Jobcentre tells the heart-warming story…. ”😀 Director Ken Loach said in his acceptance speech that: “austerity was a fantastic idea” and that “benefit claimants needed a good kick up the backside”.😀

      • Dissidentdiva

        Great posts, TJL – Ken Loach got form, though for dealing with topics on social injustice – Cathy Come Home, which I have referenced already. That tv drama gave an immense boost to Shelter, which was then a new charity.

      • Laurel and Hardy

        “The light-hearted drama-docu-comedy set in a Jobcentre tells the heart-warming story of how a DWP decsion maker was moved to tears by a sick man’s predicament when he was left penniless. The story unfolds as we learn how the kind-hearted DWP staff member eased the man’s plight by giving him cash gifts, and personally delivering food parcels to his home. The story explores the depth of human compassion abound in DWP offices as when the decision maker tell the rest of the office about the man’s predicament they are so shocked and saddened that they immediately set up an appeal fund to help the man out. They raise so much money they are able to buy the man a new car. Work coaches spend their weekends mowing the sick man’s lawn.”

    • Paul Laverty, the Scotchman who wrote the script for this (and other, maybe all Loach’s flims) should get a lot more credit than he does.

      • Funnily enough Ken Loach doesn’t appear to have sold his soul to the Devil and moved into making commercials which are very lucrative. But that other left-wing activist and Scotchman is currently appearing in a car advert! (Peugeot). Who know though, maybe he is taking the piss, he does sound like he is taking the piss: “I drive the image”… it’s only a fucking car lol Maybe he used the fee from Peugeot to bankroll I, Daniel Blake and gave the free car(s) to a ‘dolie’ lol

        • Oops, the left-wing activist Scotchman is Peter Mullan!

          • One of Mullan’s finest moments:

          • You can’t criticise Peter Mullan – he’s allowed. I would watch a car advert with him in it (in the advert …). Probably would even watch Top Gear if he was acting in it.

            • Watch the new full length Peugeot 308 TV advert, shot in Glencoe and Glasgow in Scotland with Peter Mullan.

              • Amazing ad! Thanks – well worth a watch. Even the colour of the peugot is lovely. What a star(!)

                PM scrubs up really well – don’t often get to see him looking his real age – maybe that’s why he did the ad?

                • shirleynott

                  Sorry – nearly forgot – scotchland looks lovely too — i’ll have a blue peugot & a holiday in scotland … (maybe that’s what he said to himself when they called? Esp. if the suit was ‘thrown in’) …

                • Jeremy Clarkson

                  The problem with Scotchland is that the scenery is so breath-taking is that if you are driving it is so hard to keep your eyes on the road especially on the bendy roads. You know the way a vehicle also ends up where you are looking… makes it easy to veer of the road or swerve across the road into oncoming traffic. If you are driving through the breath-taking scenery of Scotchland – and it really is breath-taking – KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE ROAD!

                • Jeremy Clarkson

                  That was a Road Safety message🙂

                • It is still a strange juxtaposition to see Peter Mullan in an advert especially a car advert even though it is in ‘good taste’. You first time you see this your eyes are almost popping out of your head; it’s like: “Is that really Peter Mullan doing an ad? A car advert”. “Sure looks like him, wait till it comes on again.”

                  They have only got a couple of hundred views but these deleted scenes from Tyrannosaur are sort of interesting; in one of them Joesph (Mullan”s character) describes Jesus as being a hunchback:

            • Or the 30 second version if you are in a hurry😀

  12. Santa Hates You

    These charities and private organisations are acting like a pack of dogs pulling a piece of meat apart. However, instead of meat, it’s benefit claimants lives they’re be destroying.

    Equally, of course, like the care home sector used to be for the elderly and disabled people, these vermin companies are left to destroy at will as there is no independent regulator, no regular spot checks, no regular inspection logs, etc. Therefore should these bloodsuckers breach any laws or regulations that hurt claimants there will be no evidence or audit trail to reveal their corruption and mismanagement. It’s like giving a fucking vampire the keys to a blood bank. Expect a load of claimant’s to commit suicide over this.

  13. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    “INSURANCE LIABILITY CLAIMS”

    The DWP have always been cagey about releasing information on who is actually responsible in the event of litigation.

    Health and safety laws have to be strictly followed and disabled persons offered protection within the workplace.

    The private health insurance industry is pushing every welfare regime, writing government reports and trying to monopolise our healthcare industry.

    Multiple claims will soon put a spanner in the works and place limitations on the UK slave labour industry.

    “IF YOU CAN’T FIX IT, FUCK IT”

    ………….take the litigation claims one step further. Direct action against the individuals that placed you in harms way…………….

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      …………..imagine working long hours and being railroaded (starved) into a situation where you are forced to work extra hours……………………….

      You do not only put your own life at risk but those around you as well. Stress, sleep deprivation and hunger are the perfect recipe for accidents to happen.

      Imagine the public outcry when the chief suspects are inundated with million dollar lawsuits and the likes of MAXIMUS parasite RICHARD MONTONI faces the music for randomly killing the most vulnerable………

      • GEOFF REYNOLDS

        “FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST TO THE UK EMPLOYMENT SKILLS COMMISSION”

        ………AS YET, NEVER ANSWERED

        From: Trudy Baddams

        25 October 2014

        Dear UK Commission for Employment and Skills,
        to claim ESA the claimant has to have a sick / fit note, how come when he has gone through the assessment process he can be found fit for work or placed in the group to undertake work related activities, and are mandated to ‘volunteer’ on workfare for their benefit when they are sick?
        Does having a sick / fit note cause the employer / employee insurance to become null and void?

        Yours faithfully,

        Trudy Baddams

        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/esa_and_working#incoming-578666

    • Justin Greenwood

      totally agree with you about taking it to the individual, especially if they made a mistake and are not actually qualified for the role there undertaking( 5 weeks training at atos or whoever is not sufficient, neither is a sports physiotherapist doing a bi-polar assessment, i could have done better on that one and i have done a basic intro 2.5 hour session)

      look up Safeguarding of vunerable adults( this code applies to all professionals and part of this area covers the worsening of a person condition by your actions.

  14. Scotland Yard urged to launch inquiry into allegations of election ‘fraud’ by Conservative party

    The SNP wrote to the Met Police demanding an investigation into whether the Tories broke strict rules over how much cash can be spent during the 2015 general election

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/scotland-yard-urged-launch-inquiry-8027193

  15. Cannes 2016: Ken Loach’s I, Daniel Blake wins Palme d’Or

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36355313

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      The British director’s film reduced critics at the Cannes Film Festival to tears.

      Set in Newcastle, the film tells the fictional story of carpenter Daniel Blake who suffers a heart attack and is told by doctors he can no longer work.

      Yet the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) disregards medical advice and rules him too healthy to receive benefits.

  16. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    “IT’ A SECRET, HENCE THE DWP RELUCTANCE TO ANSWER”

    From: J Roberts

    18 April 2016

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

    You recently provided me with all DWP postal addresses:

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/d

    Please provide the number of DWP staff working in each of the following offices. Also state the number in each office claiming 1. Universal Credit; and 2. Tax Credits.

    Birmingham Broad Street
    Jobcentre

    Birmingham City Office/
    Ladywood Jobcentre

    Birmingham South West
    Jobcentre

    Yours faithfully,

    J Roberts

    Link to this

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/birmingham_staff_claiming_benefi#incoming-798736

  17. paultheswineherd

    Is this some kind of sick joke? It’s like the DWP drawing up plans to ‘protect’ claimants from their very own ‘stakeholders’.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/22/sir-philip-green-could-help-draft-law-to-protect-pensioners-says-mp

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      …………..Altmann,Green,Freud,Hodge,Carney…………….. Hardly takes a genius to work out the common denominator when stealing money.

  18. paultheswineherd

    Superb! – Good for Ken Loach (although the Government will say that there is no ‘austerity’ or ‘welfare reforms’ in Britain – LIARS
    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/cannes-film-festival-2016-ken-loach-wins-palme-dor-for-i-daniel-blake-a7042636.html

    • Dissidentdiva

      I remember Cathy Come Home, a tv play, 1966, directed by Ken Loach. It had quite an impact on highlighting homelessness – let’s hope this film has the same effect.

      • paultheswineherd

        Dissidentdiva – yes, let’s hope so. It was a good idea of your’s to point out that film – it had a major effect at the time (I was very young, but I can just remember it!)🙂

        • Dissidentdiva

          Well, of course, Paul – I was nobbut a babby myself!😀

          • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

            I, Daniel Blake (2016) Extrait [French Subs]

            • All this woman is doing is “trying to explain a situation” and these jobcentre cunts immediately accuse her of being “aggressive” and have her man-handled her out of the building. Same old Jobcentre tactics being played out! And that who-wouldn’t-want-to-punch-his-face-in G$S security bod has no right to touch her either – that is fucking assault!

      • Kes was brilliant too: “It’s only a fucking bird”.

  19. paultheswineherd

    Talking of liars – here is another – Tony Bliar!
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/chilcot-report-savage-tony-blair-8025882

  20. What the fuck is it with PGC (Pension Guarantee Credit) paying out £154 knicker a week whilst jobseekers have to barely struggle by on JSA (Jobseekers Pisstake Allowance) of £70 knicker a week! Just what the fuck is going on here? How come when someone reaches 60-something they suddenly have more than double the expenses!? JSA should be at least £154 knicker a week. In fact, it fucking well should if it was indexed like other benefits and wasn’t fucking ‘frozen’ for the next four years at least. And what the fuck is that all about? Are the prices of goods and services ‘frozen’ for the next fucking four years!

    • And under 25 years old only get £50-odd knicker a week. And JSA can be sanctioned to £20 knicker a week. Then you have to work full-time for it in some stinking charity shop or death-trap recycling plant. Bang out of fucking order!

      • Oh, and under 25 yr olds always did pay a penalty. The council used to stop them ten quid rent despite needing more food than a 50 yr old anyway.

        • Alice in Wonderland

          It’s funny that too, the older you get the less you eat. It is actually a lot more expensive being young. Even things like car insurance get cheaper the older you get. But is a topsy-turvy way your income generally (benefits) increase the older you get…

    • No. Despite the ‘current’ economic troubles being caused by a property price inflation con,the repeat of encouraged property inflation via massive immigration will continue to bite into the price of everything you buy,wether it be a pair of trainers from amazon or a bag of frozen peas from asda.
      Every square foot of pre developed land is now a potential building site,so the rents increase or it is reclaimed for development.
      (Cough up or lose it!)
      This affects everybody, from the courier outfit to the hvac engineer,down to the guy supplying the warehouse kitchen chef.
      Property price is now the ‘hidden’ tax.
      The persistent and relentless increase in the housing market ensures everybody at the bottom of the scale remains without spare cash because they have to give it to the landlords all the way up the food chain.
      Every single business in the supply chain is passing on rent hikes to the consumer.
      In previous depressions interest rates went up ; land dropped in value. Some investors lost property,or at least took a bath on mortgage closing times.
      Many shops were boarded up etc.
      We are now at the point where that is not allowed to happen and non land owners are expected to carry the nations dept via inflation and support wealthy landlords forever.
      The ‘remain’ campaign is shitting themselves because of this.
      This second purpose engineered bubble will burst sooner or later, but if we vote ‘OUT’ it will be sooner.
      Not only might the instigators not get the money out of the U.K. soon enough but they may actually cop the blame as well.

  21. Im not normal …..ooh thank god……paul the thing is ……your full of shit…..your a hypocite ……thats full of shit……he you are ranting away at the government ,ranting away at the dwp,ranting away at all the injustices ……there you are paul offering tea and sympathy …..oooooo sorry i cant help…..but undernieth that …….your full of shit and a shit filled…..hater…….ive more respect for flyshit than you. At least he,s open in his ignorance and hatred……flyshit dear no ones fooled by your new name dissidentdiva ….you try to hide yours paul ….with careing shareing platitudes then when your called out just like flyshit you go on about …free speech…its a democracy……yeah paul ….hitler had a lot of free speech……..paul did you know a young gay man was last week shot at point blankrange ……in the face…….in the face…..just for being gay…….were being murdered all over the world …..people like you make me wanna fucking vomit…….your full of shit…..let me tell you something bitch…….your the one thats not fucking normal……you creep,you oddball….your a throwback a useless redneck billybob..thats full of shit ,dosent know shit …..and isnt worth shit

    • Dissidentdiva

      damo – there is no way I can prove to you that I am a new poster here,and have NEVER posted here under a different user-name. I was deeply distressed by your post above, as you, and others seem convinced I am this fly whatever poster. I AM NOT. There is nothing I can say, or do, to prove this, and the whole saga has somewhat sullied my pleasure in exchanging comments.

      • DD – just ignore it. The person keeps reappearing using different voices & gradually ‘turns’ and gets offensive. If that’s not you people will see that (you can’t prove it & don’t need to try if you’re not they).

        Don’t let it spoil you’re day or reading/discussing in this case. It’s not real life but all opinions are the posters’ own (unless they begin to contradict themselves/use different voices …).

    • Damo, ‘m not sure about DD but time will tell – you could be right about this. I’ve traditionally not always been ad good at judging character as i’d like to was. It can be difficult on here to ‘read’ people – sometimes literally (!) – except when it isn’t. I’ve read your comments – these & in the past – & they’re on point/full of sense and always honest. It’s just a shame you’ve had to spend time responding to this (again).

    • paultheswineherd

      damo – I feel that I have to respond to this.
      Yes, I rant away at the DWP, ATOS etc, IDS & the unfairness of everything – which I feel is perfectly justified and this has been proven time and time again.
      If I am full of shit, then I am – and that is your opinion.
      If you were NOT in a democracy, then you would NOT be able to express any views of yours (or mine for that matter!) at all. If you were living in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia for instance, none of this on here would be allowed at all! – we would probably both be arrested and slapped in a jail somewhere.
      In future I have decided that I am not going to express my views on here regarding anything ‘controversial’ in any way. It would save a lot of upset and that it would be better for all concerned.
      I probably won’t be on here commenting so much in the future, but I am still going to put on ‘newspaper’ links and ‘news’ links as necessary.

      • paultheswineherd

        It is a shame but it seems that it is not possible in Britain nowadays to express any thoughts or views that are not totally ‘politically correct’ without the immediate chance of being ‘shot down’ and/or called a ‘bigot’.
        In some ways it has probably gone too far.
        Just look at the recent Ken Livingstone debarkle. He said ‘what was factually true’ – the media got hold of it, twisted it around and crucified him for what he said. Please, all my friends be careful in what you say on here or you could also be very quickly shot down as well.

  22. Sorry to bore everyone but untill youve been at the recieveing end of violence and hatred …just for who you are …than hate filled bores like paul and flyshit …will not be tollerated….it just spreds hatred and violence …..and trying to justify it……..freespech ,democracy……..yuk

    • Dissidentdiva

      I’m knocking on a bit, damo, and I well remember skinheads and ‘gay bashing’ I had hoped we had moved on in society. Many mainstream ‘celebrities’ are openly gay, and it astonishes me that so many people seem so hate-filled by the existence of homosexuality even today. Religions play some part in this, unfortunately, otherwise it is just blind ignorance or folk looking for anybody ‘other’ to them, to vent spite on.

    • Damo – as you know, there’s no such thing as Normal – it is a relative concept (like time), and so many other parts of life we accept are relative: space/distance/income levels, intelligence (the capacity to reason and make rational arguments based on fact/understanding). Haven’t yet rad all of your posts above but just wanted to say this – casual use of a nonsensical term such as Normal should be seen for what it is: (justification of one particular value judgement presented as Fact and (morally) ‘Right/True’. “I don’t think, therefore I’m ….not?”

      PaulTS, if you’re going to insist on taking some of the moral high ground to state anti-gay/lesbian views when it’s entirely irrelevant you can expect a likely angry response. What makes people angry is the casual belittling of people you’ll never know, and who may not want to get to know you either but would probably not make pronouncements about your private life meanwhile. Bringing this in to a discussion about something else entirely is like use of casual racism – it doesn’t go down well – you’re right – with people who don’t share your views. And that will be many, many people of all ages and backgrounds.

      I know i’m not (your version of) ‘Normal’ but that’s fine -i’d rather not be. If being normal means editing out certain sections of society and viewing them as lesser (hmm – who else has done this historically? Where did it end?) – give me atypical any time. ‘Normal’ here is just being used as a numbers game – the majority behaviour must be (?) Normal – more people adhere to it so it’s clearly ‘normal’ …

      (Domestic violence: it’s very common. At what point do we say that, as a form of behaviour, it’s therefore ‘normal’? ). You might be confusing ‘normal’ with ‘normalised’ (or with ‘Norman Wisdom’ for all i know).

      Foodbanks: the same; use of them could be a ‘normal’ part of life for a significant section of the population of this country in, say, another ten years. That wouldn’t make it the Only True Way … just have a think.

      • Dissidentdiva

        Shirleynott – excellent post all round. Normal is indeed just a concept in this respect. I have no idea what the late Norman Wisdom would have made of this discussion – probably just fallen downstairs or called “MR GRIMSDALE!!!!” for help!😀😀

      • Well, time (and space) is relative as in Einstein’s Theory of Relativity which demonstrates that the space-time continuum can be bent/warped. Time and space can be bent and turned on itself; like a ‘wormhole’😉 QED🙂

        • Time and space can be bent and turned in on itself; like a ‘wormhole’😉 QED:)

        • Dissidentdiva

          My favourite track in the world ever, is E=MC2, from Big Audio Dynamite.

          • Special request for you, DissidentDiva🙂 Enjoy!🙂

            • Every time my neighbour hears me playing this, she bangs along on the wall. She must love it too, so I play it louder for her.

            • Dissidentdiva

              Had to get up and dance, and I ain’t no teenager! thanks, dj! it has been said that God is a dj. Now I know it’s true😉

        • Normal is as Norman does (not Norman Tebbit, obviously …).

        • So, things are not necessarily fixed in time or space? A parson’s sexuality can be fluid? As in, ‘alter in response to external/internal factors’. So, Einstein has shown it’s possible to be attracted to/in love with love a parson or parsons of the opposite sex (first) but then one day (like a bolt from the blue) ‘fall for’ someone wearing the same socks. Eg. women who’ve endured years of unhappy – sometimes abusive – marriage, leave in droves (only a very slight exaggeration) for relationships with women – bring up children together and now, even marry again. This makes sense for many sentient Adults with capacity, emotionally, romantically – maybe even logically, or they wouldn’t do it.

        • Can’t mention Einstein without giving this a spin😀

        • Traveling through a wormhole:

        • Extended with wormhole explanation:

      • Les boys😀

      • paultheswineherd

        shirley – thanks for that and all of your thoughts taken on board!🙂

    • Honestly way more bored by use of casual homophobia and migrant- blaming …

      … “It’s all the fault of the migrants/jews/gays … and the Jewish gay (black) migrants – they’re the worst!”

  23. Dissidentdiva

    Thank you, shirleynott. Feel like I’ve been given a virtual hug by you! will ignore any future references to this ‘saga’, and concentrate on the topics being discussed.Such a wealth of information, opinion, personal anecdotes and hilarity here, in equal measure!

  24. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Divide & rule. Poor people against poor people. Disabled people against disabled people. Now it`s Tories against tories & tory voters against Tory voters. Stephen Crabb Vs Atos round 1 – Stephen Crabb Vs Maximus round 1.

  25. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

  26. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wales-first-fuel-bank-giving-11371133

    Wales’ first fuel bank is giving free gas and electricity credit vouchers to eligible families

    • That’s ‘normal’ … now.

    • Although this is a great idea, and much needed by many, it does play into the Tory core beliefs that the church and charity clean up the mess and look after the poor.
      The more responsibility charities take on, the more our government is off the hook.

  27. Does anybody know where the Universal Credit in-work conditionality pilots are being held and/or any information about their reception. I did read about some guy already working two jobs was told he needed to look for more work. Shit! After scapegoating the unemployed it looks as if part-time workers are the next ones to get tarred and feathered!

  28. http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/fat-white-family-tinfoil-deathstar-video-premiere

    DANCE TO THE BEAT OF HUMAN HATRED IN FAT WHITE FAMILY’S “TINFOIL DEATHSTAR” VIDEO

  29. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    “AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM THE DWP THAT SANCTIONS CAN KILL”

    Paragraph 35099 of the Decision Makers Guide (Vol 6 accessed online
    21/04/2015):
    “It would be usual for a normal healthy adult to suffer some
    deterioration in their health if they were without 1. essential
    items, such as food, clothing, heating and accommodation or 2.
    sufficient money to buy essential items for a period of two weeks.
    See Appendix 6 to this Chapter for further guidance. The DM must
    determine if a person with a medical condition would suffer a
    greater decline in health than a normal healthy adult and would
    suffer hardship.”

    Appendix 6 referred to above:
    “Full health depends upon a regular and varied intake of food
    containing sufficient calories and essential nutrients. A normal
    healthy body contains enough reserves to cope with dietary changes
    over a short period but there are medical conditions that could
    deteriorate due to an inadequate diet over a two week period
    following a DM’s decision.”

    ……………IT DOESN’T TAKE A GENIUS TO WORK OUT THE DWP’s OBJECTIVES

    • Dissidentdiva

      As discussed on another topic – democide. We are deemed economic units, not human beings – with a right to exist whether economically active or not. We are expendable, to be treated with contempt and starvation tactics to keep us in line with conditionality – the fact that the DWP know the results of their inhumane treatment, and is in the public domain, accessible to anyone, should shame them to their core, but doesn’t. Instead, it becomes worse, with an ever harsher regime affecting WORKING PEOPLE, not just ‘traditional’ out of work claimants. It beggars belief. 2016, going on 1816. Workhouses next.

      • Once I, Daniel Blake gets aired on prime-time BBC One there will be no fucking excuse for anyone not knowing what’s going on!

  30. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Incompetence is the inability to perform; lack of competence; ineptitude.

    Administrative incompetence, dysfunctional administrative behaviors that hinder attainment of organization goals

    Sounds like the DWP.

  31. The ’20 hours’ a week workers never supported useless jobseekers like me, so why should I care about them ?
    I don’t, the sooner they get them all down to the Job Centre for conditionality classes the better.
    Less heat on me!
    and more chance of a revolution.

    • Dissidentdiva

      Agree up to a point, but don’t forget the old ‘divide and rule’ game, to get the poor to turn on each other. Peace amongst ourselves first, then revolution………….
      ps, am dolescum myself………

    • Blowing in the Wind

      True! They look down on dolescum because they are like ‘working’😉 Yeah, ‘working’ just enough to keep the jobcentre off their back whilst claiming housing benefits, child benefits, tax credits and a multitude of other benefits. Pretty cushy number… that is until now👿👿 You can see where the Government is coming from on this one… As Bob Dylan would sing: the times they are a changing for these smarmy fuckers.👿👿

  32. “Ken Loach film about ‘fit for work’ testing fallout receives award” – WTF! The self-interested “disabled” lobby trying to hijack this film already as they step over the rest of the jobseekers in the gutter. The ‘fit for work’ test is only a minor plot thread in a whole range of issues the film explores… sanctions, foodbanks, jobcentre abuse of and mistreatment of claimant, aggressive ‘security’ goons…. er… ‘customer care officers’ stationed in jobcentres, the appeals process, 35 hour a week jobsearch, ‘digital’ jobcentres which mean claimants who are unable to use a computer are unable to sign on, universal jobmatch…..

    • Yep. One of the main protagonists, the single parent with the kids is not disabled. And although Daniel Blake has suffered as heart attack, he is not disabled. It is NOT a film about ‘disability issues’.

      • It is a film exploring the devastating impact the UK welfare system has on those who are unfortunate enough to come into contact with it!

    • Dissidentdiva

      All will become clear when the film is released – especially when it hits the tv.We have a mainstream voice, now, even as ‘able bodied’ claimants – and a respected voice it is, too.

      • Maybe so, fly, guy, dissidentdiva, although a lot of disabled people proclaim that they are unable to walk 20 meters they are sharped-elbowed enough to push ‘able-bodied’ claimants aside when it comes to their own self-interests. They are already trying to hijack this film for their own gain!

      • Hopefully it’s TV release with be sped up especially as Ken is getting on a bit, and will want to see the fruits of his labour making its intended impact on public policy; it is not as the film has been made with the audience of Cannes in mind or a limited art-house cinema audience.

        • it is not as if the film has been made with the audience of Cannes in mind or a limited art-house cinema audience. it is not as the film has been made with the audience of Cannes in mind or a limited art-house cinema audience.

    • A Disabled Voice

      What a load of old rubbish! It is about a disabled man fighting for his benefits which he is rightfully entitled to. It has nowt to do with the lazy-boned unemployed none of whom can be bothered to get out of their beds in the morning to do a days work!

  33. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    I DANIEL BLAKE – Press Conference – EV – Cannes 2016 [40 mins]

  34. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    False Sense Of Security !!!

  35. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    The ones that got away the DWP are trying to hide.

  36. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Are the cash cows now costing more to process than getting money off the cash cow being processed. £30,000 & rising. Well above the £21,000 processed cash cow.

  37. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Don`t hustle a hustler DWP you will get hustled.

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      ATOS & MAXIMUS FAILUES DWP TAKE RESPONSIBILITY !!! DWP FAILURE & FINES !!!

      • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        The DWP are now paying fines to Atos & Maximus because Serco can`t do the admin correctly. Serco will soon be fining the DWP for breach of contract. £2 million here £4 million there. The DWP are no good at hustling since the ones who run it come from Eton.

        • Oh they are just dipping their toe in the water to see how TTIP works in the world of corrupt contracts and trade deals….the trade of benefit claimants.

      • there should be a focus on the actual fitness to assess of the wca assessors and where there is a wrongdoing then a complaint should be raised with the employer of such body, some points to raise in the complaint is have they done sova training, what are there qualifications in respect to what there assessing and similarly everyone should also start to look at the decision makers as allthough the parent company makes the mistakes and bears the brunt, the decision makers is equally culpable and needs to be taken down a peg or two.

        I have a petition to make it easier to get the qualifications of these wca assessors as if you ask atos or the dwp it is a minefield of brickwalls,

        this is found at https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/126229

        the more people that sign the more harder it will be to hide behind freedom of information for these people and easier to tell if there not qualified for the role and to help in a case of getting them struck of.

        a example well here’s one a sports physiotherapist doing a bi-polar assessment enough said really

  38. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Set The Template.

  39. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    How can I put my hand in my jacket pocket when I don`t wear a jacket. Oh you mean the invisible jacket with hands in my pockets at the WCA with Healthcare Professional Forgery.

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      DWP your contractors are involved with criminal matters which makes the DWP an accessary to forgery & fraud.

      • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        When the DWP stops its criminal procedures the DWP will become Eton Tory Failures.

        • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

          So who runs the DWP – A DWP Spokesperson said “I talk not fit for purpose because there is no name” the DWP spokesperson said.

  40. Santa Hates You

    YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY BY YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT. HISTORY TELLS US THAT DOING NOTHING AGAINST EVIL AND CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS IS NOT AN OPTION!!!

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    MARTIN NIEMÖLLER ON THE NAZI HOLOCAUST

  41. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36358494

    Loach ‘attacks’ the BBC Today programme @ 1.30

    Interviewer: ‘……strong public support for the benefit cap’

    Loach: ‘Maybe because people listen to the Today programme too much’

    • These knobhead interviewers just assume that because Ken is fast approaching 80 that he is demented and treat him like a senile old git, but you only have to listen to him talk that their is nothing wrong with his mental faculties; au contraire Ken is as sharp as a tack.

    • He was straight back at them.

  42. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    “G4S GOVERNMENT ROACHES FIDDLING AGAIN”

    The staff at Lincolnshire Police force were employed by G4S PA

    Five police control room staff working for the private security company G4S have been suspended following allegations they called 999 at quiet times to massage performance figures.

    The workers, who are employed by G4S Public Services and work for Lincolnshire Police, are alleged to have made the bogus calls to ensure faster call answering times were recorded.

    Lincolnshire Police, who confirmed the five workers had been suspended in a statement released on Monday, added that they will be “seeking further information by interviewing these members of staff jointly with G4S”.
    Read more
    G4S guards accused of assaulting young offenders sacked

    The statement added: “These matters will now be dealt with through staff disciplinary procedures and the investigation must take its course.”

    “We have established that at no stage has there been any risk to the safety of members of the public… arrangements have been made for the smooth operation of the force control room to continue and the service to the public will not be adversely affected.”

    Managing director for G4S Public Services, John Shaw, added: “We have suspended five employees today and have taken swift action to begin our investigation process.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/five-g4s-workers-suspended-amid-allegations-of-bogus-999-calls-a7044406.html

    …………….MIRED IN SHITE AT EVERY TURN

  43. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    “ANOTHER TORY/DWP U TURN ON MAN WITH HALF A BRAIN FOUND FIT FOR WORK”

    A partially paralysed man with part of his head missing who was told he was fit for work by the government has had the assessment overturned on appeal.

    Kenny Bailey, who is waiting to have a metal plate inserted to reshape his skull and protect his brain, had his benefits slashed by the Department for Work and Pensions earlier this month.

    The father of two’s story sparked outrage when it was revealed by the Mirror .

    DWP cut his employment support allowance (ESA), which he uses to pay his bills, following a medical examination.

    He was told he would lose £156 per fortnight, and would receive £470 every four weeks, his Personal Independence Payment which helps with some of the costs of long-term ill health.

    Kenny, 50, suffered a massive stroke, leaving him paralysed down one side of his body, and with severe memory problems.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-part-head-missing-who-8037089

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      “MAXIMUS CHALLENGE MEDICAID FOR $123 MILLION DOLLAR FLORIDA CONTRACT”

      …………..NOT HAPPY WITH MURDERING BRITS, THEY NOW WANT TO KILL ON THEIR DOORSTEP

      THE PROFITS IN POVERTY PROGRAMS — “Maximus challenges bid for $123 million Medicaid contract,” by POLITICO Florida’s Christine Sexton: Florida has halted negotiations on a multimillion-dollar Medicaid contract, after one of the potential vendors said the state had put in specific terms intended to help the current contract-holder win the bid. Maximus notified the Agency for Health Care Administration that it would challenge the invitation to negotiate, or ITN, on May 2, the same day the agency formally invited companies to bid on the contract. http://politi.co/243GzEM

      ………………GIVE FLORIDA A MISS.

      AMBIENT TEMPERATURES MIXED WITH RISE IN CREMATORIA ACTIVITY IF MAXIMUS WINS STAKE TO MURDER WELFARE CLAIMANTS OVER THE POND…………….

      • The local crematoria has recently has a massive extension built. Originally it had two ovens, now it is six. Currently there is further work going on to install a further four ovens.

  44. It is pretty obvious that as yet unheard of actress Haley Squires is well chuffed to have landed this role. Look at what happened to the unheard of Martin Compston who starred in Loach’s Sweet Sixteen. Played a lead role Monarch of the Glen and last seen playing DS Arnott in the BBC’s cop drama Line of Duty. Getting your first break in a Loach movie has a habit of propelling you onto stardom. Expect Ms Squires to turn up in Line of Duty or something similar …😉

    • Anyway, good luck to her🙂

    • As long as she doesn’t end up like DS Lindsay Denton – being framed for a crime she didn’t commit then ending up being shot dead by “Dot” Cottan, and the final indignity of being ‘Given a ‘local authority funeral. No mourners attended’.

  45. Pingback: How Consent Has Been Manufactured For In Work Benefit Sanctions | the void

  46. Policy Exchange

    Here is is idea for the Government/DWP/Crabb: “Retire” JSA/ESA/UC claimants and transfer them onto PGC* (Pension Guarantee Credit). It would be the ‘kind’ thing to do as well as saving a fortune in paying for the jobcentre infrastructure, ‘work programmes’, workfare, miscellaneous schemes, assorted crap…

    * PGC currently pays £154 a week compared with £70 a week (£50 for uner-25s)

  47. Always love seeing those cute pigs with their snouts in the trough at the top of an article🙂

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