With Hipster Friends Like @crackandcider Homeless People Don’t Need Enemies

killing-with-kindnessPicture yourself trying to get to sleep on a hard concrete pavement, whilst biting wind and rain swirls around you and the risk of abuse, arrest and even violence is ever present.  Imagine thinking that this could go on for ever, that you have no-one and nothing left, and that only the instinctive fear of death is preventing you from taking that final step.  So you do what half the country does before going to bed.  You have a fucking drink.

This is how a life on the streets begins and as weeks turn into months routines and habits, bad and good, develop.  You might learn where you can get free food, make allegiances, and hopefully genuine friends.  Perhaps you spend a few nights, or even months in a nightshelter or hostel.  Perhaps you get kicked out for breaking one of the endless petty rules like not being back in time for curfew or having a sneaky can of lager.  Or you get beaten up, or piss off someone who might beat you up if you don’t disappear.  Homelessness hostels are strange places, often full of tolerance and even love, but they are not safe spaces.  All it takes is a vindictive charity worker or a violent argument and you can be back on the streets in a heartbeat.

Homelessness strikes when lives fracture, whether due to relationship break up, debt, eviction or domestic abuse.  It often happens to those who have lived through harrowing circumstances – ex-squaddies scarred by war, refugees who have seen loved ones slaughtered,  kids who grew up in care or were abused in the family home.  At the heart of the problem however is money, and a society that values that above all else.  Landlords refusing to accept tenants on benefits, eye-watering deposits to secure even basic accommodation, the chronic lack of social housing and ever more vicious benefit cuts – these are the reasons that street homelessness has risen to record levels over the last five years.

Homelessness endures because the scant social structures in place to prevent it focus on the symptoms – the perceived individual failings of homeless people – not the causes.  Just like Iain Duncan Smith blames unemployed people for a lack of jobs, politicians and the charity bosses who suck up to them for funding blame homeless people themselves for their plight.  To do otherwise would be to acknowledge their own role in creating the homelessness crisis.  That is why in many major cities charities which claim to help homeless people are running anti-begging campaigns to smear them all as drug users or drunks and warning if you give them money you will kill them.

Ask anyone begging what they want, right there and then, and if they are foolish enough to be honest they will say money.  That does’t mean they wouldn’t appreciate a sandwich, a cup of tea or a warm coat as well.  But what they need is cash.  They may want that money for drugs or booze, or they may want it to choose something to eat or wear themselves.  They may be in debt, to someone you really don’t want to be in debt to.  The propaganda on display in anti-begging campaigns insists that street homeless people do nothing but scrounge and shovel drugs down their necks, never stopping to eat, pay hostel service charges, buy a clean pair of socks or get a bus across town.  Yet even the most chaotic substance users still need money for other things as well.  Because they are real people, not grotesque cartoons.

The stark truth is that even someone who does beg to maintain an addiction will not be helped by no-one giving them any money.  They will simply beg for longer to get what they need, whether that’s a bag of smack or three litres of White Lightening.  If the begging is good, and the sun’s out, then once they have that they might beg for something for dinner as well.  Or to be able to have their drink of choice rather than rough cheap cider.  Or to buy their kid they hardly see a birthday present.

If the begging is bad that day then they will sit there all night, or resort to other means to get money such as crime or sex work.  The faster they can meet the needs of their addiction – needs which are real, the street is no place to go cold turkey – the more likely they will have time or money to do other things.  What they are really begging for, in many cases, is a bit of stability.  A drug law reform poster that occassionally appeared on the streets of King’s Cross a couple of decades ago summed it up: “Heroin addiction is not hedonism but constant medication with a very powerful painkiller”.  Until withdrawal symptoms can be medicated away then most people can barely roll a cigarette let alone try to sort their housing out, seek treatment, or get a fucking job.  You are unlikely to kill someone with a drug or alcohol dependency with kindness by giving them a quid as hysterical homelessness charities claim.  You are not prolonging their addiction, only they can do that.  What you might do is give them a bit of space and time to do something else that day other than sit outside a shop doorway and risk arrest by asking people for money.

It is the presumption that homeless people cannot be trusted to be actors in their own lives that reveals the flaws embedded within charity.  To make a decision about what someone needs, whilst ignoring what they tell you they need, makes giving all about the giver not the receiver.  Charity becomes a way for people to feel better about themselves and for the wealthy to erase the guilt that comes from living in such an unequal and fractured society.

Few things expose this self-indulgence better than the horrifyingly named Crack + Cider initiative which was featured in today’s Huffington Post.  This Hackney based pop-up shop was established so that people can help homeless people without worrying whether they will spend the money on alcohol or drugs.  They can do this by donating the price of a coat, pair of gloves or umbrella, which Crack + Cider will then buy and give to a homelessness charity.  And then it will probably sit in a store room for the next decade along with all the rest of the tat that arrives in charity fundraising offices that they have neither the resources or the will to distribute.

There is of course nothing wrong with buying a homeless person a coat.  You can do that very easily without the act being mediated by charity.  Go into a shop, buy a coat, give it to a homeless person.  Fucking simples.  Or join up with #opsafewinter who distribute supplies to homeless people directly.

What is wrong with Crack and Cider, apart from the obvious, is that this is not a project designed to help homeless people, but to help the urban middle classes feel better about homelessness.  It does this by not only re-inforcing prejudices people feel towards the homeless, but also allowing them to buy their way out of any sense of personal responsibility for the problem.  After all, there might be a poor person walking round now in a coat they paid for. If homeless people are still homeless after that kind of lavish generosity then they only have themselves to blame.  Serves them right anyway for taking all those drugs.

In a gushing press release those behind the shop  warn that even Kensington and Chelsea council say “giving to rough sleepers contributes to their early death”.  There is no evidence that this is true because this is a political lie, used by a Tory council to justify forcing beggars out of one of London’s richest boroughs rather than providing the homes and services they need.   A borough that could soon be selling off up to 97% of their socially rented homes.  Better to blame people hooked on Special Brew for the homelessness this will cause than the Tory government’s housing policy.

There is no doubt those behind Crack + Cider are trying to be well-meaning – they are not taking any money from the project.  The name they say is merely intended to stimulate a conversation about homelessness in that kind of wacky and ironic way that normal people who don’t live in Hoxton probably don’t understand.  They say it was inspired by a beggar telling them that people didn’t give them money because they thought they’d spend it all on crack and cider.  “Oh yah, that’s what we think too” they no doubt decided.  Let’s set up a shop and call it something edgy.  And so homelessness, as far as coat-buying Hackney hipsters are concerned, is sorted.  Meanwhile down the road a beggar just got stabbed because they tried to pay off a drug debt with a pair of gloves and a fucking umbrella.

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1,237 responses to “With Hipster Friends Like @crackandcider Homeless People Don’t Need Enemies

  1. I haven’t got much money myself, but when I see homeless people sitting in in the streets, I’ll give em some spare change, or buy them a pasties or a sandwich, NO CHARITY ON THIS EARTH WILL GET A PENNY FROM ME AGAIN!

    • overburdenddonkey

      quite right marie, life is never lived in spirit but in the reality of flesh and blood…great post jv…

      • Bang on.

        “They say it was inspired by a beggar telling them that people didn’t give them money because they thought they’d spend it all on crack and cider.”

        This bit of the article, unfortunately, I can well believe. One of the worst things above giving for me is the apology or explanation often felt owed to justify my doing this. It kills me to see somebody living rough, and then on top of that is the grotesqueness – exactly touched on above – worked in on that person through so-called charitable warnings about giving and miserly press articles – that is the real punch, knowing that somebody in that position is made to feel that way.

        For the unemployed, a similar preamble bit comes at a new introduction in pointing out that, yes, you really are looking for job. (or at least the less confident will do this) Even some unemployed will declare this to their own cohort!

        The best of people’s natures really is being worked over.

      • I have just come out of living in a “Lifehouse” for women, In other words, a Salvation Army Hostel. Firstly, I have never done drugs, never been arrested or sent to jail and I don’t drink, have worked most of my life too. I got into debt problems because the ex I was with used to mentally abuse me and the last straw was when he applied for loans (and got them) in my name, this is still TWO YEARS after we broke up, he has now moved abroad somewhere, so I cannot reach him through the courts. I buried my head thinking it would go away… It didn’t. I was asked to leave my parents home because they were both disabled, and bailiffs were starting to knock. I didn’t tell them at first because I was scared to death. (I have since got my affairs into order – the CAB are helping me deal with the debt I have been left to pay. And my parents have let me move back home.)

        ANYWAY…. I am grateful to the staff who cooked and cleaned, but the staff who actually worked there (well 75% of them) are nothing but jobsworths.

        I was walking through to speak to one of the staff a few days ago she took me through to the staff room, which was kitted up to the nines with the latest stuff, loads of food, loads of coffee and tea, milk, sugar, and etc. In the room next to it was a load of black bin bags marked with different womens sizes. Boxes upon boxes of shoes marked with different sizes. I asked why they were there and was there a special “shopping” day we could all look forward to. We all needed clothes, and the hostel itself needed something to cheer us all up. The staff member told me “Oh, no. That is donated clothes but there is nothing we can do with it.” – FUCKING HELL NO. She had a smirk on her face as she said it.

        As I said, the cooking staff were amazing, and the cleaning staff were lovely. I took care of everything myself, except for the cooking. Staff at the hostel used to LET THESE GIRLS BACK IN when they’d just stolen from shops with their bags full and heavy – AND GET THE STUFF FROM THEM. I am nobody to judge, and I got on with everyone, but they would get preferential treatment (little beauty spa vouchers, hairdresser vouchers). I’d even seen a staff member take £10 bag of cannabis from one girl who had ADHD and Bipolar, who was raped by her father and brothers, and say to her “Thanks, that will do nicely for later.” – The girl smoked it to forget. Most of the girls there were abused in some form, and took drugs/drink to medicate themselves into forgetting for them few hours what they had endured, Its a painkiller for some, a mindkiller for most.

        The Salvation Army REALLY needs to look closely at its staff, and what gets donated. Either that, or the police do.

    • I know a few charities that do the right thing, they are not the big charities, they are small scale interested in the people they support, they are not all the same, but I wouldn’t trust a random charity chugger in the street.

    • Exactly Marie and nobody, charity or government, can tell me what to do with my own money (I’m a working single mum) and very aware that homelessness can happen to any one…

  2. paultheswineherd

    Johnny Void – another excellent article.
    And as for the so-called fucking ‘Charities’ – those ‘do-gooders’ – so-called ‘helping everyone who are poor’, the ‘homeless’, the ‘elderly’ and other causes such as, so-called ‘helping children’ i.e. ‘OXFAM’, ‘Save The Children’, ‘YMCA’, ‘Salvation Army’, Tenovus Care and two million or other so-called ‘Charities’ in Britain and beyond – these bastards, unscrupulously ‘using’ workfare ‘placements’ by JCP+ desperately need investigating by the Charities Commission for probable law-breaking via their ‘licence’ to operate as a charity (through their individual ‘terms and conditions’)

    • paultheswineherd

      All of these so-called ‘Charities’ need to have their ‘funding’ looked at and urgently audited – their ‘Chief Executives’ often have million pound+ homes/cars/luxurious living – and to cap it all – these so-called ‘Charities’ even pay no tax whatsoever.
      Marie – you are right – don’t pay a single penny to them – they have managed, over many years (and also via ‘guilt-ridden’ TV adverts) to get the British public to look at them as saviours – they think that the British public are fools – and rightly so as a lot of them actually are – for paying any money to them or donating anything to them.

  3. paultheswineherd

    Incidentally, my wife said to me today – I would love to have a look at what bargains are in ‘Poundland’. I said to her – sorry, they use ‘workfare’ people and I would not go into ‘Poundcunt’ now as a matter of principle!

    • I have never been in poundland ever, the stuff there is just as expensive as the local supermarket anyway, just everything is smaller. So they make all the profit, and don’t pay most of their staff, probably ripping the farmers off too, who supply them. Heartless sods.

  4. paultheswineherd

    And that goes for B&J Bargains too – ‘workfare’ slavery at its very best.

    • A lot of people who donate clothing to “charity” shops don’t bother washing them, knowing damn well poor benefit claimants have got to handle them and get stunk out in the process. A lot of homeless people smell nicer,they’ve got more fucking respect!

      • paultheswineherd

        Yes, that’s true Marie. Also, the problem is that the people who ‘donate’ don’t really care where their ‘dirty laundry’ ends up – as long as is out of their ‘own’ or their ‘elderly dead relation’s homes’ and they do not have to bag them up and put them out for the dustmen to take. They probably think – ‘it’s a pity to send the ‘shit clothing’ out for the dustmen when I can give it to a ‘Charity’ instead and in so doing help some unfortunate person somewhere’. They probably do not think of/or care to wash the clothing first before sending it off (which they should!) – they just want to get rid of it all!
        They do not think about the poor person at the other end who has got to sort it all out and be stunk out/gassed in the process.
        Sorry if I am graphic in my description – but this is most probably the way that it actually is!

        • Paul, not only do you get stunk out, you get bitten by fleas that are lurking in the shitty manky ragbag clothes, which happened to me and some other slaves in a fucking cesspit chaz shop shithole, came up in red lumps we did, i hate charity shops they are all shitholes.

          • Deborah – That is awful but I am not too surprised according to all the stories that I have heard. As you say they seem to be nothing but terrible shitholes – using forced ‘volunteers’. It is totally disgusting in this day and age and in this, the 5th or 6th ‘richest’ country in the world.

    • You mean workfare-exploiters B & M Bargains?

  5. paultheswineherd

    By the TV ‘guilt-ridden’ adverts – I mean the one such as ‘in xxxx we met Kyumbai’ – this advert for some ‘African’ starving child has been going for at least 2 years now – you can ‘give £2 or £3 a month’ if you want to, but I, for one, shall not be giving a single penny of my hard-earned cash to this so-called ‘Charity’! As far as I am personally concerned, G.B. already spends far too much money in ‘Overseas Aid’.

  6. overburdenddonkey

    yep jv they pray on our survival instincts, the root fear of death, to suck us dry….

  7. Very well said. Never believed those lies, highly sceptical of all charities.

    • paultheswineherd

      Nienna – You are very rightly sceptical of all of them – I (many years ago) used to believe that all of these Charities were wonderful organisations, doing their very best to bring some sense of wellbeing to the underpriveledged and to those without ‘loads of money’. How wrong I was!
      In my own (and others) research and actual experience, this is it seems, very far from the real truth. The REAL truth is that they play on people’s ‘natural’ emotions – helping those much less fortunate than yourself. The Charities Commission is the ‘registering and also the regulatory’ Authority to allow these ‘Charities’ to actually operate. As in a ‘Limited Company’ – these ‘Charities’ have to submit annual ‘properly audited accounts’ in order that they can continue to legally operate.
      When a ‘Charity’ is registered – they have special priveleges, including in that they have NO tax liability at all – that is why so many ‘Companies’ are also ‘Registered Charities’ – NO tax payable at all.
      The Directors of these ‘Companies’ are no fools. They use the law and their ‘advisers’ to help them ‘to fleece the general public’ – who, in general know fuck all about how these charlatans behave and operate.
      Often, because of this they can get away with receiving huge amounts of non-taxable money and can afford to live in their mansions, with their cars and swimming pools – whilst at the same time professing to ‘help the poor and the underpriveleged’ – IT IS A SCAM AND IT ALMOST AMOUNTS TO CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR IN MANY INSTANCES.

  8. Today, I saw a man sat outside Tescos begging. I don’t know what brought him to that place, but it could happen to any of us couldn’t it? I asked him if he’d like a sandwich and if so which one. He said to me “Is it Ok if I have a can of coke?” I told him of course it was and went and got it for him. What I did was nothing really, but I just wanted him to know that he’s human, I’m human and that’s what you do isn’t it? Because you know, one day that could be me.

    • paultheswineherd

      Yes – good on you – he is happy and so are you in what you did for him.
      As you say – this could happen to any of us on here and at any time – given the right (and terrible) circumstances.

      • Which is why the bastard tories have done what they’ve done with welfare and low paying jobs. The message is clear “Don’t moan about having to do workfare, CWP, MWA, or working for a pittance in the worst hell hole of a job. Moan about it and that will be you outside Tesco.”

        • I’d love to see Idiot Drunken Shite sitting outside Tesco begging for something to eat, wouldn’t give the bald fart a crumb, rather feed the pigeons!

        • You’re right Mr Mackay, you know if I ever win the lottery (not the £25, but the one with lots of zeros on the end of it) I will hire the best lawyers in the world and take this government to ECHR for the illegal things that they have done to the poor,ill, vulnerable and disabled. God bless x

          • paultheswineherd

            I have a personal message for Iain Duncan Smith: We will NOT forgive what you have done – we will NOT forget what you have done – at some point in the future – you WILL have to answer for what you have done to the most poor, the most vulnerable, the sick and the disabled of Britain.
            You – Iain Duncan Smith are NOT going to get away with all that you have done. WE WILL CATCH YOU AND YOU WILL ANSWER FOR IT.

            • overburdenddonkey

              paul
              please don’t speak for me it’s our toxic (behaviourist) culture that i put on trial…

              • paultheswineherd

                overburdenddonkey – yes, received and understood! But, we as humans really want to just get on with our lives – good and sometimes bad! But – when a particular ‘Government’ becomes SO restrictive and all encompassing that it is affecting one (and one’s family!) then it is sometimes necessary to strike back!
                This is what happened in WW1 – but even more so in WWII (if Hitler had won.) This neo-Nazi Tory Government now is just a minor version of what developed in the 1930’s. Hitler was stopped in his tracks – and if this Government goes on in the way that they are going – then they are going to be have to be stopped too – in much the same sort of fashion.

        • Pour Encourager Les Autres

          There is always going to be someone sat outside Tesco. The powers that be make sure of it. They are engineered into existence and put there for a reason: pour encourager les autres – to encourage the others, so that you will think: “Thank fuck I am not in THAT situation, it could be a lot worse. At least I have a damp roof over my head and some out-of-date food in my belly. I may be trudging through the rain to get to my Community Work Placement to work for some slave-master for jack-shit but at least I am not sat outside of Tesco”.

        • Pour Encourager Les Autres

          There is always going to be someone sat outside Tesco. The powers that be make sure of it. They are engineered into existence and put there for a reason: pour encourager les autres – to encourage the others, so that you will think: “Thank fuck I am not in THAT situation, it could be a lot worse. At least I have a damp roof over my head and some out-of-date food in my belly. I may be trudging through the rain to get to my Community Work Placement to work for some slave-master for jack-shit but at least I am not sat outside Tesco”.

      • This government probably want us all homeless so they can round us all up and put us in a labour/concentration camp. I wouldn’t put it past them,it’s rotten to be ruled by psychopaths.

      • Thank you PaultheSH. We are all one malignant cell, one job loss, one mental breakdown from being in that position. God bless X

  9. Excellent writing JV.

  10. paultheswineherd

    Sky News: Cameron will set out a ‘letter of renegotiation’ for remaining in the E.U. He wants to stay in the E.U. – but he (as I see it!) will get his own way or he will leave and take the U.K. with him.

    Also: Investigations reveal that the so-called ‘missile’ in August was ‘probably a flare’.
    home.bt.com/news-uk-news/british-holiday-jet-in-1000ft-missile-scare-11364015199434

    • paultheswineherd

      If Cameron cannot ‘renegotiate’ with the E.U – he will throw all of his little boy’s toys and his ‘toy pigs’ out of his pram and ‘pull out’ of the European Uniion. He can then get rid of all of any ECHR ‘Rights’ in Britain and then bring in his own ‘British Bill of Human Rights’ – this would (by the Tories own ‘standards’) mean that there would be ‘no rights for poor people’ – but loads of rights for the rich and the priveleged of Britain!
      The Tories really want to bring back Georgian/Victorian Britain – if they did this – they would definitely succeed in their dreams.
      The ‘poor’ and the ‘working poor’ would turn into the Victorian version of ‘Paupers’ and if you were very poor/ill – ten you would have to ‘put’ yourself into the new ‘Private’ workhouses, run by the likes of ATOS, UNUM, MAXIMUS, CAPITA & SEETEC. The Government would give them millions of pounds of ‘Contracts’ to oversee everyone.
      PLEASE BRITISH PEOPLE – DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU.
      (WE WOULD BE OKAY – WE WOULD JUST GO OFF-GRID AND THAT WOULD BE IT)!

      • This government are doing just what they want and we are in Europe, so I can’t see there being much difference out of it.

        We would though be only fighting our own parliament for our human and civil rights, keeping a larger force like Europe out of the equation, who by the way supported extending the pensionable age for women to 65.

        • Sib

          I am referring to a case a uk man took to Strasbourg to try and get his pension age reduced to 60 like that of uk women, he called it equality.

          The EU saw fit to change women’s retirement age to 65 instead of lowering this red herring man’s retirement age.

          Then Cameron slapped another year onto the retirement age of everyone.
          So much for human right, in fact so much for any rights under UK or EU.

      • The ECHR has nothing to do with the EU, it’s something that the UK signed up to in 1950. It came into effect in 1953, 20 years before the UK joined the then EC, (which was formed as the EEC, or Common Market in 1957) and came about largely at the instigation of the UK as a way of ensuring that individual citizens have rights that ensure they are protected from state abuses.

        Fast forwarding, though Cameron and Co want to get rid of the Human Rights Act, and introduce a British Bill of Rights, it will still be possible to take cases to the court in Strasbourg, as happened in the past. The Human Rights Act made things easier as the cases that used to go all the way to Strasbourg could be taken UK courts instead. It’s pretty obvious that Cameron & Co want to make it much more difficult and expensive for citizens to assert their rights, which is what abolition of the Human RIghts Act would achieve.

        The EU does give us rights, but that situation is if anything even more complicated as much of the legislation that protects us that originates from the EU is so intertwined with English, Scottish and Northern Ireland law that it would probably take decades to remove it.

        Cameron & Co are playing on the widespread ignorance of people about the EU, and while I’m no great fan of the EU, (though I am strongly in support of pan-Europeanism) as it’s just yet another capitalist cartel, I have to recognise that it’s probably a lesser evil than UK capitalism unleashed and on its own – Cameron & Co may be stressing that UK citizens deserve a better deal, but I’m guessing that isn’t really a consideration of people like you and me, but a minority of UK citizens who also happen to be extremely wealthy and who would stand to gain by being able to exploit us even further without the mild constraints of the EU.

        • overburdenddonkey

          sib
          http://wingsoverscotland.com/sunset-for-scaremongers/ no one can remove our eu citizenship….

        • If it is called the European court of human rights then it must come under the auspices of the European Union.

          You are right about the EU being one big cartel, meaning we are now paying yet another tier of useless bureaucracy which you want to stay part of because they are in favour of UBI also.

          I am in favour of a worldwide UBI for the poor not the rich.

          • overburdenddonkey

            nell-guy
            will your UBI for income deprived people be means tested…?

            • If they have assets and high savings yes.

              • overburdenddonkey

                nell-guy
                so you won’t means test income….?? that’s insane….

                • Your question was regarding income for deprived people you knobhead!
                  You need one of my inducktion courses(deliberately misspelt)
                  Look up the definition.
                  http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/induction

                • overburdenddonkey

                  you said that you’ll only means test income if that person has assets and high savings meaning that if they didn’t have assets and high savings that you wouldn’t means test them….

                • overburdenddonkey

                  and ps how do you know if they have assets and high savings to make that judgement call…

                • OBD

                  Do you ever read what you are writing?

                  You asked “WILL YOUR UBI FOR INCOME DEPRIVED PEOPLE BE MEANS TESTED?”
                  Firstly I do not want UC or UBI.

                  Secondly If they are income deprived they don’t need means testing, Doh!
                  Then you go on to ask how do you know this?

                  The same way the benefits agencies know this now supposedly.
                  The biggest fiddlers are at the top of the tree not the bottom, that is why I want to see a free world without currency, bank branches or family trees and their inheritance taxes, they won’t be any inheritance to tax.

          • Yes but who do we define as poor?? by how much they get? because it doesn’t work for the disabled when everything cost an absolute fortune to live? and what someone defines as poor another man will say they are well off. And how do you access people? properly, with the right expertise and in a speedy way to get what is needed to people who need it. Are there enough experts to do the job, before people starve to death? Then someone like the Tories will get in in whatever political set up you have, there will always be someone to exploit it, to drive down the conditions, so less and less needy people will qualify. How can you make sure the most vulnerable are always looked after?

            • By introducing something that’s universal (not Universal – thanks IDS) – as was done with child benefit/family allowance. It was felt better to pay it to all, even including some families who really wouldn’t be depending on it, rather than the cost of means-testing everyone and risking some who really did need it not taking up the benefit. It was paid to mothers in hopes it’d have the best chance of being spent on the children (?60s). A basic income would be for every individual then (from 16?) – not set per household/couple.

              • UBI - the STILL unanswered questions

                UBI doesn’t add up to a row of beans. It takes no account of an individual’s circumstances whatsoever. Does everyone get the same UBI regardless of housing costs? Maybe obd will be along to answer…. 😉 or post the same old link… 😀

              • UBI - the STILL unanswered questions

                Or is a case that those who stay with parents/friends would receive the same UBI of an individual/couple saddled with housing costs? EVERYONE, ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE regardless of personal circumstances and individual need gets EXACTLY the same UBI. Put down that pipe of whatever you are smoking obd and do some explaining – not just post that link that tells us basically jack-shit!

              • UBI - the STILL unanswered questions

                Or do you set the UBI at a level that it will cover housing costs regardless if an individual has housing costs? Or would housing benefit/a housing component of UBI be applicable? How on God’s earth does paying EVERYONE, ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY make the slightest sense? UBI is the stuff of whacky backy lol

              • UBI - the STILL unanswered questions

                “Why is controlling inflation so important?

                Controlling price inflation would be absolutely crucial to the success of any Universal Basic Income project because without measures to stop the inflation of basic necessities (rent, utilities, food …) the gains that UBI would provide would soon be eroded away as price rises diminish the value of the basic income payment so that it is no longer sufficient to cover the basic costs of subsistence.

                If inflation is allowed to run rampant, the benefits of Universal Basic Income would soon be transferred from the ordinary citizen that receives it, to the rentiers that take advantage by hiking the prices they charge for the provision of basic commodities and services.

                Controlling Rentierism

                If the rentiers are allowed free rein to profiteer from basic income provision, they will simply inflate their prices in order to soak up the entire value of basic income to cover the cost of some necessity of life (rent, transport, childcare, energy consumption). If the parasitic behaviour of rentiers is not controlled, all of the socio-economic benefits would soon be siphoned off as into the bank accounts of the most ruthlessly self-interested rent seekers. Essentially Universal Basic Income would turn into a government subsidisation scheme for the most ruthlessly self-interested, which is precisely the kind of system we have now, which is one of the main reasons people have been proposing the introduction of UBI in the first place.

                The only practical way to stop this kind of rent seeking behaviour from destroying UBI would be to introduce some form of market regulation to prevent landlords, utilities companies, childcare providers and the like from massively inflating their prices in order to soak up the economic benefit of UBI for themselves.”

                What say you, obd? … 😉

                • UBI - the STILL unanswered questions

                  Seems like we would need a ‘command and control’ economy to go with obd otherwise the very same fuckers who are fucking us over at the moment would STILL be fucking us over? What about booting evil trio of conditionality, sanctions and workfare to fuck from the social security system? What say you Zac fucking Goldsmith? … 😉

                • UBI - the STILL unanswered questions

                  Seems like we would need a ‘command and control’ economy to go with UBI otherwise the very same fuckers who are fucking us over at the moment would STILL be fucking us over? What about booting evil trio of conditionality, sanctions and workfare to fuck from the social security system? What say you Zac fucking Goldsmith? … 😉

              • UBI - the STILL unanswered questions

                ‘Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult.” Reuters, 4 October 2013

                How much is that?

                It’s about £1,700 a month – over £20,000 a year.

                Payable to whom?

                Everybody, or at least, every adult citizen. It’s called a “basic income” and everyone gets it, no strings attached.

                You have to be joking.

                We’ll have to see whether the Swiss think it’s funny or not – they are holding a referendum, which is something they do quite a lot.

                • UBI

                  You really socked it to these ignorant puppets on here that are in favour of UBI, as I said in JV’s last post I believe UBI should only be available to the worlds poor not the wealthy, which does mean means testing.
                  if we give to the rich and pay for it with TAXES FROM THE RICH LOL it would cost us more in tax collecting than any form of means testing because the rich and their army of financial advisers, accountants and free movement due to their wealth will be doing more evading and cost more than accessing the poor ( which by the way is simple 1.do you own a home – nil 2. have you got savings – nil 3. Do you pay rent or council tax (which should be nil for those on next to nothing to live on).

                • ps UBI

                  We most certainly should have control of inflation and rent controls as you said and no free labour for multi nationals and charities unless voluntary.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ubi-still
                  all your questions have already been answered and it’s also excellent you’ve answered some of your own questions….
                  ‘UBI doesn’t add up to a row of beans. It takes no account of an individual’s circumstances whatsoever. Does everyone get the same UBI regardless of housing costs?’
                  http://www.basicincome.org/news/2015/09/united-states-nobel-laureate-joseph-stiglitz-endorses-unconditional-basic-income/

                  STATE PENSIONS, JSA, E AND SA, DLA, PIP, ET AL all paid now and @ national rates… + a ubi will be useless unless it supplies reliable amounts of vitality giving vitals of life for all….BYE…

                • obd

                  “STATE PENSIONS, JSA, E AND SA, DLA, PIP, ET AL all paid now and @ national rates… + a ubi will be useless unless it supplies reliable amounts of vitality giving vitals of life for all….BYE…”

                  If your ONLY income was UBI it wouldn’t supply jack-shit. The rentiers would take care of that whether by inflation or whatever ‘market force’ they choose to use. UBI might work in theory but it’s doubtful if it would work in practice. We don’t live in a pink, fluffy paradise obd. We live in the REAL world and in a UBI world the same exploiters would still be around; they would surely find a way to turn your fluffy idea of a UBI upside down. Saying that it would be an interesting experiment, maybe you should try it out on that vast estate you live on in the picturesque Highlands up their in Scothland. See how McHaggis and the rest of the clans get on with it. Really think UBI would plunge the poorest into even more poverty. Wouldn’t be long before it was £100 for a packet of shortbread. The toffs would soon suck up a UBI all for themselves. BYE!

                • “STATE PENSIONS, JSA, E AND SA, DLA, PIP, ET AL all paid now and @ national rates… + a ubi” Is a UBI ON TOP OF existing benefits? Then again you would have to have a UNIVERSAL SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFIT, but that would remove the distinction between JSA and ESA which you were arguing against lol The big question everyone is going to be asking is: “Would I/We personally be better off with a UBI” And if the answer is YES then you are obviously going to to in favour of it, and in your case obd the answer is a resounding YES.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ubi-still et al
                  all your questions have already been answered…….
                  and it’s also excellent you’ve answered some of your own questions….
                  ‘UBI doesn’t add up to a row of beans. It takes no account of an individual’s circumstances whatsoever. Does everyone get the same UBI regardless of housing costs?’
                  http://www.basicincome.org/news/2015/09/united-states-nobel-laureate-joseph-stiglitz-endorses-unconditional-basic-income/
                  STATE PENSIONS, JSA, E AND SA, DLA, PIP, ET AL all paid now and @ national rates…exploiters exist with or without UBI, as does inflation stagflation or deflation and will attempt to over turn any new/old system to suit them….+ a ubi will be useless unless it supplies reliable amounts of vitality giving vitals of life for all…..BYE…

                • Yankee Dollar

                  This is absolutely Milton Friedman’s idea in Capitalism and Freedom. Hayek said it too. They supported it for the same reason Chicago School economists sometimes supported the flat tax. The idea was to purge progressiveness out of the system. Guaranteed income just spreads the welfare and social security money around, so that billionaires get just as much as paupers.

                  The way he set it up was to have say a $10,000 tax credit for a family of four. Every American functionally gets a $10,000 check at tax time (of course, if you owe money, it’s deducted from that $10,000). All other welfare and social programs would be eliminated. And a flat tax would replace the current progressive income tax.

                  It’s strange to see the left-wing in America and the UK picking up on these right-wing ideas.

                • The Tea Party

                  This would be Zac Goldsmith’s version of a UBI. Everyone gets a UBI. Introduce a ‘flat’ tax’ (it ‘simplifies’ things … 😉 ) How do you pay for this increase in the ‘welfare pie’? Simple – increase VAT. (because the rich have more money they pay more VAT…. 😉 ) obd, you OK with this?

                • The Tea Party

                  And it goes without saying, eliminate all ‘social welfare’ programmes.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ubi-still et al
                  all your questions have already been answered…….
                  and it’s also excellent you’ve answered some of your own questions….
                  ‘UBI doesn’t add up to a row of beans. It takes no account of an individual’s circumstances whatsoever. Does everyone get the same UBI regardless of housing costs?’
                  http://www.basicincome.org/news/2015/09/united-states-nobel-laureate-joseph-stiglitz-endorses-unconditional-basic-income/
                  STATE PENSIONS, JSA, E AND SA, DLA, PIP, ET AL all paid now and @ national rates…exploiters exist with or without UBI, as does inflation stagflation or deflation and will attempt to over turn any new/old system to suit them….+ a ubi will be useless unless it supplies reliable amounts of vitality giving vitals of life for all…..
                  PS fairy ‘Then again you would have to have a UNIVERSAL SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFIT, but that would remove the distinction between JSA and ESA which you were arguing against lol’….really showing your tory red and blue colours now, arguing for means tested conditionality and sanctions aka a form of UNIVERSAL CREDIT…..
                  FLAT TAX YOU’RE JOKING A UBI WILL CAUSE ANYTHING BUT A FLAT TAX….BYE…

                • What happened to the welfare state that had only sickness and unemployment benefit, oh yea the rich were claiming sickness benefits so decided to grade it to themselves at the higher rate.

                • obd
                  You STILL haven’t explained how you propose to pay for the increase in the ‘welfare pie’. UBI is just another non-means tested, ‘universal’ benefit to sit alongside the free tv licence for over-75s, child benefit, winter fuel allowance, DLA, Motability, widow’s pensions, sure there are others…

                  Anyway, how are you going to pay for it? Pray do tell! Through more progressive taxation i.e the more you earn the more you pay or are you going to lump it onto the poor through regressive taxation such as the iniquitous tax on the poor known as VAT.

                  UBI could take many shapes and forms. We have been through it all before though with scams such as the ‘flat tax’ which even the ‘unbiased’ BBC was peddling even stopping to telling downright lies that it was already in place in countries such as Poland.

                  Another scam that we often hear from the right-wing is the abolishment of tax, but what they really mean is income tax. And they propose to replace it by VAT. Of course they use they argument that the rich will pay more because they spend more, but of course we all know that this is bullshit since the poor are forced to spend all of their income; the rich would just hoard more of their non-(income) taxed income.

                  obd, you are trying to whip people up emotionally so that they don’t think straight which is in itself suspect. This is a tactic often employed by right-wing “Tea Partiers’ over in the States so you have the situation where you have ‘trailer-trash’ arguing for an end to INCOME tax, a policy which would only benefit the rich to the detriment of the ‘trailer trash’.

                  It is the old right-wing guff about ‘small government’ – small enough to not have any social security provision but big enough to have cops i.e. government thugs to protect their property ‘rights’.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ubi-still et al
                  all your questions have already been answered…….
                  and it’s also excellent you’ve answered some of your own questions….
                  ‘UBI doesn’t add up to a row of beans. It takes no account of an individual’s circumstances whatsoever. Does everyone get the same UBI regardless of housing costs?’
                  http://www.basicincome.org/news/2015/09/united-states-nobel-laureate-joseph-stiglitz-endorses-unconditional-basic-income/
                  STATE PENSIONS, JSA, E AND SA, DLA, PIP, ET AL all paid now and @ national rates…exploiters exist with or without UBI, as does inflation stagflation or deflation and will attempt to over turn any new/old system to suit them….+ a ubi will be useless unless it supplies reliable amounts of vitality giving vitals of life for all…..
                  PS fairy ‘Then again you would have to have a UNIVERSAL SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFIT, but that would remove the distinction between JSA and ESA which you were arguing against lol’….really showing your tory red and blue colours now, arguing for means tested conditionality and sanctions aka a form of UNIVERSAL CREDIT…..
                  FLAT TAX YOU’RE JOKING A UBI WILL CAUSE ANYTHING BUT A FLAT TAX….i have been totally consistent with and on message @ all times….BYE…trolls….

                • obd troll
                  You didn’t answer anything; all you did was post yest another tedious link saying that someone or other ‘endorsed’ some form of UBI.

                  What we are trying to figure out is where the poor would end up relatively to the rich. Who would benefit from an increase in spending/saving power? Someone/a family currently on benefits? A middle-class nobhead lecturer? Or rich toffs? Who are the winners and losers under UBI. Because as sure as Eastenders follows Top of the Pops there will be winners and losers.

                  And what about the rich toff sat in their mansion with a £multi-million property ‘portfolio’. You would still be paying these fuckers an UBI but they simply don’t need it. But the UBI they receive will also have to be enough to provide anyone with the ‘vitals of life’.

                  Since UBI increases ‘social security’ expenditure overall how do you pay for it? Where does the extra ££ss come from? Or does the pie just stay the same size and those currently on benefits have to make do with a smaller share?

                • “The only practical way to stop this kind of rent seeking behaviour from destroying UBI would be to introduce some form of market regulation to prevent landlords, utilities companies, childcare providers and the like from massively inflating their prices in order to soak up the economic benefit of UBI for themselves.”

                • We would have to put into place some form of market regulation – which we don’t even have at the moment – before we even considered a UBI.

                  UBI wouldn’t sit well with our current ‘unregulated’ system. We would need strict rent controls, strict price controls on everything. Under UBI the poor would end up paying their UBI to some middle-class nobhead lexturer ‘buy-to-let’ landlord.

                  And even if these measures were introduced in tandem with UBI if wouldn’t be long before they were ‘loosened up’, ‘relaxed’ until the poor were well and truly stuffed, and of course there would be no ‘social security’ system for them to turn to.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  but the ubi would be useless and fail if it did not propose framework structures to mitigate exploitation happening as it’s core purpose is to give income deprived peoples economic power…bye…trollssssss

                • obd
                  What framework structures? Haggis and whisky? UBI might be all fine and dandy as you gaze out onto the magnificent views of Loch Glenfiddoch but back to the real world because at the moment your fanciful notion of a UBI stands to be whittled down to a pittance whilst taking the ‘social security’ framework down with it.

                  And here is something to ponder or answer if you deign to, obd. How is the rate of UBI set? Who sets it? It it ever uprated, reviewed to make sure that it is still sufficient to meet the ‘vitalities of life’? Does it track the CPI/RPI?

                  And you still haven’t answered how it is going to be ‘raked back’ from the toffs? You going to increase the tax take on middle to higher earners?

                  And obd, bet your puppet masters thought it was going to be easy to slip this notion of UBI under the radar… 😉 It would have been easy if it hadn’t been for those meddling “trolls” 🙂

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  A little nighttime reading for you, Argonaut, since you seem to think you know all there is to Unconditional Basic Income….tell me where do you get this idea that income has to be linked to work or lack of it? Oh hang on, the Protestant Work Ethic. Well fuck that.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ubi-still et al
                  all your questions have already been answered…….
                  and it’s also excellent you’ve answered some of your own questions….
                  ‘UBI doesn’t add up to a row of beans. It takes no account of an individual’s circumstances whatsoever. Does everyone get the same UBI regardless of housing costs?’
                  http://www.basicincome.org/news/2015/09/united-states-nobel-laureate-joseph-stiglitz-endorses-unconditional-basic-income/
                  STATE PENSIONS, JSA, E AND SA, DLA, PIP, ET AL all paid now and @ national rates…exploiters exist with or without UBI, as does inflation stagflation or deflation and will attempt to over turn any new/old system to suit them….+ a ubi will be useless unless it supplies reliable amounts of vitality giving vitals of life for all…..
                  PS fairy ‘Then again you would have to have a UNIVERSAL SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFIT, but that would remove the distinction between JSA and ESA which you were arguing against lol’….really showing your tory red and blue colours now, arguing for means tested conditionality and sanctions aka a form of UNIVERSAL CREDIT…..
                  FLAT TAX YOU’RE JOKING A UBI WILL CAUSE ANYTHING BUT A FLAT TAX….i have been totally consistent with and on message @ all time so how many trolls is that now on my case or is it the same 2….
                  hmmm AREN’T RENTS ALREADY SOARING AND DRIVING PEOPLE OUT OF LDN AND INNER CITY ACCOMMODATION COME TO THAT, AND ISN’T THE WELFARE STATE AS WE KNEW IT BEING DISMANTLED BEFORE OUR VERY EYES, AND JOBS BECOMING FEWER AND FEWER, WITHOUT RADICAL CHANGE THEY’LL SOON BE NOTHING LEFT FOR US INCOME DEPRIVED PEOPLES TO GET A LEVER INTO…NO CHANCE OF HAVING THE TAXATION TOOLS AND/OR POLITICAL CLOUT TO GET OUR MONEY BACK OR SOME @ LEAST….of course UBI would be a founding pillar of an entirely new economy….the ubi would be useless and fail if it did not propose framework structures to mitigate exploitation happening as it’s core purpose is to give income deprived peoples economic power…bye…trollssssss

                • obd
                  You still haven’t answered the questions, but hey ho, what’s new 😉

                  And here is another one? Why can’t we have a proper functioning social security system that provides a decent income to the most income-deprived members of society without coercion and exploitation without ‘handouts’ to the rich or is that beyond the realms of possibility?

                  UBI is beginning to sound more and more as a Trojan horse being manoeuvred into place under cover of the ongoing attacks on social security: a Trojan horse that intends to strip away the very last ailing vestiges of social security.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ‘And here is another one? Why can’t we have a proper functioning social security system that provides a decent income to the most income-deprived members of society without coercion and exploitation without ‘handouts’ to the rich or is that beyond the realms of possibility?’
                  WOW!!
                  do you think we can tell me more i’m all ears this is fantastic news..!?
                  🙂 🙂

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  😉 Obd

                • overburdenddonkey

                  so you’re NOT going to answer the question, be inspiring and lead by example….what a shame that you should once again duck for cover….

                • obd
                  What are you talking about? As it has been said on here many times before abolishing sanctions, removing conditionality, and ending workfare, and doubling the dole would go a lot way to improving the lot of those at the very bottom of the economic pile. Notwithstanding that it is as plain as a pikestaff that you personally, obd, are not anywhere near the bottom of the economic pile you are not interested in any of that and instead trot out the same old response that none of that is achievable since it would take ‘political will’. And a UBI only requires the say so of the EU.

                  It is all about income distribution. The government doesn’t actually have any money of it’s own; it’s revenue comes primarily from taxes and loans. And then it has expenditure, and part of that expenditure is social security. You still haven’t explained how a UBI shifts income distribution towards the poorer end of the spectrum. Or would that involve going into to much intricate detail, as Maria said, or are just supposed to accept your proposal wholesale without even questioning it?

                  You would have to reclaim UBI from those who didn’t need it through tax otherwise those at the lower end of the income spectrum would receive a smaller slice of the welfare pie. Obviously not ideal if you were looking for an income top-up to add to your already vast pile. You got a problem with that obd? 😉

                  As has been said before who are the winners and losers when it comes to UBI. Or are you going to do a ‘George Osborne’ and say there will be no winners and losers.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Click on the link and get a handle on some of the arguments and history. Universal income that is unconditional is the most cost effective way of giving benefits and assures maximum take up. Once everyone has a liveable amount to live on, at least as much as the state pension then who cares if there some people get more? I don’t give a stuff if I and the poorest have enough to live on.
                  http://basicincome-europe.org/brief-history-basic-income-ideas/

                • overburdenddonkey

                  what are you talking about it was definitely implied that there was another way other than had already been discussed….why don’t you tell me what that is….??

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ‘You would have to reclaim UBI from those who didn’t need it through tax otherwise those at the lower end of the income spectrum would receive a smaller slice of the welfare pie. Obviously not ideal if you were looking for an income top-up to add to your already vast pile. You got a problem with that obd?’
                  you’re a right case you are as that is what i’ve been continuously saying…
                  tax the rich to redistribute wealth to income deprived peoples via a UBI….

                • You could pull the old give with one hand, take with the other hand trick with the middle/upper income earners on PAYE – pay them UBI with one hand, and tax it back with the other hand before they got their grubby paws on it. It wouldn’t work though with an offshore account in a tax haven such as the Cayman Islands.

                  What about the Royal Family? Would Her Maj receive a UBI? And don’t say she wouldn’t claim it – she claimed for winter fuel allowance to heat that great big council house of hers.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  OH BTW UBI IS A PASSPORT INCOME…..

                • obd
                  A PASSPORT INCOME?! Passport to what? More income? Or a passport to other benefits?

                • overburdenddonkey

                  hawk
                  showing yourself up as a troll you know full well what i mean but can’t resist a snipe….

                • The paw lore

                  I you sure you are not the poor law, I don’t care what the rich have so long as the poor have enough to live on, or words to that effect.

                  Money talks and those with the most are doing all of the talking and rule making and economic policies, which can change your ubi at the drop of a cat.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  It’s not my UBI, thicko. I care about the poor getting enough….not the politics of resentment…that’s Tory horse shit which you’ve clearly bought into…

                • Mog

                  UBI is both story and tory bullshit which you can’t seem to get away from.

              • Another idea would be to as a precursor to the introduction of an UBI would be to appropriate everyone’s assets – cash, investments, property, gold, paintings, cars, Barbour jacket, anything that wasn’t nailed down, but even then. This would level the playing-field and smooth the pathway to a UBI. You could go one step further and abolish the whole wages/salary system. Everyone has a UBI – and that’s it. How’s that for an egalitarian society? No income tops to augment piles of cash in bank. How does that sound, obd? … 😉

                Just look at Star Trek. When did you last see Captain Kirk rummage around for some spare change for the vending machine? That’s because there was no such thing as money – as a society they had outgrown money. Everything in the vending machine was free 🙂

                • No income top-ups to augment huge piles of cash in the bank. How does that sound, obd? … 😉

                • “Is there a dilemma in “Job seeker’s allowance” versus “state-sponsored workfare”?

                  Closer scrutiny reveals that this expectation rests on feeble grounds indeed. For suppose first that the work test is conceived as an obligation to accept work if offered by some (private or public) employer concerned to get value for money. If the worker has no desire to take or keep the job, her expected and actual productivity is unlikely to be such that the employer will want to hire and keep her. But if the worker is formally available for work, the fact that she is not hired or that she is sacked (owing to too low a productivity, not to anything identifiable as misconduct) cannot disqualify her from a work-tested guaranteed income any more than from an unconditional basic income. The only real difference between the former and the latter is then simply that the former involves a waste of both the employers’ and the workers’ time. Alternatively, suppose that the work test is conceived as an obligation to accept a fall-back job provided by the state for this very purpose. Rounding up the unemployable and unmotivated is not exactly a recipe for high productivity, and even leaving aside the long-term damage on the morale of the conscripted and on the image of the public sector, the net cost of fitting this recalcitrant human material into the workfare mould might just about manage to remain lower than plain prison, with the cost of supervision and blunder correction overshadowing the work-shy workers’ contribution to the national product. The economic case for the work test is just about as strong as the economic case for prisons.”

                  Same old same 😀

                • If you leave a job, refuse an offer of a job, or fail to accept a place on an employment scheme your UBI may be affected 😀

                • “Is “giving to the lazy” cheaper?

                  As is fully recognised by no-nonsense advocates of workfare (e.g. Kaus 1990), if a willingness-to-work condition is to be imposed, it must be justified on moral or political grounds, not on the basis of a flimsy cost argument inspired by the shaky presumption that a benefit coupled with work is necessarily cheaper than the same benefit taken alone. From the fact that workfare is likely to be costlier than welfare, it does not follow that the “unemployable” should be left to rot in their isolation and idleness. There can and must be a way of helping them out of it, namely by creating a suitable structure of incentives and opportunities of a sort a universal basic income aims to help create, whether or not a willingness-to-work test is coupled with it. Setting up such a structure is costly, as we shall shortly see, but adding a work test will not make it any cheaper – quite the contrary. And the absence of such a test, therefore, cannot be what jeopardises basic income’s affordability.”

                  Work Programme here we come 😀

                  A UBI coupled with a ‘work test’?!

            • “How can you make sure the most vulnerable are always looked after?
              Obviously you can’t otherwise we would still have the health and welfare system we had in the 1950’s, that is why I would much prefer an end to all currencies worldwide and bring everyone down to the same level and start producing and distributing for the sake of people and not profit as in the capitalist system – which before you start the same argument does not mean bartering.

              • Dick you really know how to use your head and not in the derogatory way your name might imply, but futuristically.

              • Then explain how it would work? do we go and have a plot each and work for ourselves? or do we exchange things for other things, everyone has different talents they are best at and more productive and people appreciate, so how would that work out in your world? Really because I don’t know. And if someone is vulnerable on his own little plot does that mean we have to ignore them, or do we help them in things they can’t do, and they do the things they can that they can still do, even in a small way, is that not a form of bartering? I’m not trying to get on anyone’s nerves here, or purposely upset them as you seem to think I was trying to do. Like you want to know how UBI works in full, I want to know how your world works, and the most important thing I value is all the people be looked after the vulnerable, but anyone can become vulnerable at any time, even if they are the picture of perfect health, so I want to see a fair world where everyone counts.

                • The system would be run EXACTLY as it is now but more produced to take account of the people that have been going without the necessities of life.

                  I.e. produce and distribute, build and accommodate then the needs of people will be fulfilled – no currency, all producing and working for the good of everyone throughout the world.

                  What is with this sarcastic little plot crap. You are given a home to live in for the duration, which you could stay in or swap without any charges being implemented if you wish. Nobody should own more than 1 home.
                  You would have choice about what you want to decorate it with just as you have today, only goods would be free.

                  The only difference is luxury items such as yachts, fast cars etc would only be on the agenda for a holiday, race track etc which all can attain via a free lottery perhaps, so that no element of fun is taken out of life.

                  You were not given talents to exploit and manipulate currency and goods for yourself but to work for the benefit of others equally.

  11. off topic

    Ex Redcar steelworks boss admits Thai owners took £3m of pensions to get more Government cash

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-redcar-steelworks-boss-admits-6790791

    • paultheswineherd

      sian – thank you for putting this on also. What an absolute and disgraceful fucking shambles – these workers are probably now going to lose some of their pensions because of all of this. This is the ‘problem’ when ‘other Countries’ own our ‘industries’ – they seem to be answerable to no-one – least of all to the British Government (of the day)
      And what now? – the Thais have pulled out – the Company is going into Liquidation and the ‘workers’ have lost out in all ways.
      And of course, Cameron’s Government has relinquished ALL responsibility – the workers will have to ‘look after themselves the best that they can’

      • Does it really matter if workers are exploited by Thai capitalists or British capitalists? The workers still get screwed.

      • I remember a time under Thatcher when so called businessmen in the uk were given grants to start up businesses in deprived areas, as soon as their grants ran out, off they went leaving workers owed up to 1 months pay, so what is the difference as Sib said?

  12. Why do people see drug-addicts, or alcohol addicts as Criminals and scum, all I see are poor people who life has hit a crisis somewhere along the line, something terrible must have triggered them to go on drugs or drink so much they come to need it. That it is a psychological response to comfort, or to get their brain from being tortured and visit somewhere different else for a while or for good, who can blame them. But withholding money from people, just in case they spend it on something society in general don’t see has important, because their lives have never been messed up enough, is cruel and heartless. And they have their own lives, just because they don’t have any money shouldn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to make decisions for them. And people with addictions need to know themselves they need to stop, before they stop, forcing people into doing things never helped anyone.
    Homeless people should be seen with the same care as anyone else, whether they have a penny or a million pounds, in my book everyone is equal to human rights, and everyone should be granted help when they ask for it. I agree with you Johnny, you right some good stuff. And whatever political views, or party’s anyone has it doesn’t really matter as long as we look out for and care about each other.

    • overburdenddonkey

      much advice they, charities, offer is to go back to the family or get back in touch with it or old friends etc, and is built on the likes of ‘life coaches’ behaviourism cbt et al work, as if, their victims are the guilty one’s, and have to make amends, the last place they want or need to be is back with their abusers…@ best patronized, and told/implied that they have to ‘earn’ their place in our culture, and a secure home….
      many prefer to live on the streets than be with family or others or in hostel’s…
      enough free no strings money does put people back on their feet…
      i like the work of quaker dr bob johnson…

  13. If I give money to a homeless person I don’t care whether they spend it on bread or a brew or whatever. I give them money to show that they’re not forgotten or ignored – it’s entirely up to them what they do with their money just as it’s no one else’s business what I do with mine. It’s a short step from ‘don’t give money to beggars, it will kill them’ to ‘don’t give money to workers, they’ll only waste it’.

  14. Great article, Johnny Void. This gives me an idea. If ignorant hipsters can start charities then why not we?

    Our endless campaigns about saving public housing & building Homes 4 All deserve a bit of PR stunted charity 😉

    Picture activists knocking on mansions’ doors with rattling collection cans asking residents to give generously so that the homeless can get what they truly need:

    HOMES!

    £2 helps delivering petitions opposing Right To Buy, Housing Bill or any other causes to homelessness.
    £5 helps families hit by Benefit Cap.
    £10 buys x of bricks to build rent capped, publicly owned homes.
    £20 buys 1 hour of labour to build rent capped, publicly owned homes.
    £50 buys heating costs for families struck by Benefit Cap.
    £10,000 buys portions of private residence to be converted into rent capped, publicly owned homes.
    The list can be amended but you get the idea.

    Also, donations of properties will be greatly encouraged & badges given to recovering investors for abstaining from property speculation. CBT can be offered to landlords battling Overcharging Syndrome, & group therapy for toffs to overcome their Taxshyness or Greed Disorder.

    We could call it Mayfair & Loopholes or something equally patronising. So what do you all say? Sure beats throwing cornflakes! 🙂

  15. How vile,realy rank,cider crack…..only a pair of dim nomarks middleclass aresholes could be so stupid ….typical stupid middleclass,sneaky ,snide and stupid …clueless,the homeless need a fuck lot more than cheap gloves and coats I read the Huffington posts article about those to dumb bitches …..yeah a homeless person came up to us in berlin ……….and we said ……no…..then we got thinking …….wot can we do……homeless people dont need the help of middle class cunts like that ……we said no……that tell everybody all they need to know about thease bitches …..its nonescence there just playing pretending to play charity until there bored ..there …pop up shop..puuuuke tells of there intentions ,they don’t give a shit about the homeless they don’t …when I saw that vulnerable young boy terrified and crying sat there begging surrounded by ……white middleclass affluent bullshit wannabecool hipsters and aresholes from essex …….this poor boys age ….he was sobbing realy sobbing …..those cunts didn’t even acknowlage him ,he was completely Invisable to them as he would be to the two vile aresholes with there fucking cider crack pop up shop ,people have no concept of the terror and misery of being homeless ,I was street homeless for just under a year in London and I had to do whatever it took to survive includeing rent I was lucky my situation changed and I got out of that situation relitively unscathed but most don’t and to them I say God bless

  16. All I say is, let’s start a “charitee” together. Here is a slightly updated version of my earlier idea:

    Picture activists knocking on mansions’ doors with rattling collection cans asking residents to give generously so the homeless can get what they truly need…
    …HOMES! The price list can be amended but here’s a suggestion:

    £2 helps delivering petitions opposing Right To Buy, Housing Bill & other great causes to homelessness.
    £5 helps families hit by the Benefit Cap.
    £10 – £20 helps homeless to squat empty houses.
    £50 buys a portion of eviction or squatting related Legal costs.
    £100 buys x of bricks to build rent capped, publicly owned homes.
    £500 buys x hours of labour to build rent capped, publicly owned homes.
    £10,000 buys portions of private residence to be converted into rent capped, publicly owned homes, etc.
    Voluntary Mansion Tax can be set up as a monthly payment.

    Also, donations of properties will be greatly encouraged & badges given to recovering investors for abstaining from property speculation. We can call it 12 Steps off the Property Ladder. CBT is to be offered to landlords battling Overcharging Syndrome, along with group therapy for toffs overcoming Taxshyness or full-blown Compulsive Greed Disorder.

    The “charitee” could be called Mayfair & Loopholes or something equally as patronising. [b]Imagine greeting MIPIM & Charity boss galas with our brilliant solutions[/b] 😉

  17. The Charities in collusion with the Government are driving people into utter r destitution. Even with a roof over your head how the fuck can you keep warm, pay your bills, buy food, have an hot meal, afford to bathe or do laundry when your JSA has been Sanctioned and your’e living on £40 a week Hardship if you’re lucky, and have no gas or electric?

    • overburdenddonkey

      yeah it’s a grind, and hard enough on paltry full jsa… appeal sanctions…also food bank voucher is a possibility, of course one has to be able to cook the food…i think it’s 3 days food, 3 X’s/yr not much i know, and often not good if one has special dietary needs… even worse when one doesn’t have basic husbandry needs, expensive utilities, and no warm clothing etc…yes and one’s welfare SS needs being met should not be a matter of negotiation either, but it unfortunately is…. http://www.edinburghagainstpoverty.org.uk/node/142

      • I’m about to get a 4 week Sanction, which could continue unless I do the unthinkable & participate in CWP. Food parcels are no use without electricity to cook with, and tinned Spam is no use to me, a lifelong Vegetaran. But at least i have a bed to lie in until I am hospitalized with Malnutrition or Hypothermia

      • What do you do if you get a 3 year sanction, if you can only go 3 times a year? I thought that if you were sanctioned for that long you could still go. If you’re on a 3 year sanction they just starve you until you die then?

        Heartless bastards.

        DWP + JCP = SCUM.

        • 3 food vouchers = 6 month.

        • if you get a 3 yr Sanction you either curl up & die, or turn to crime, or become homeless & sit on the pavement with your hand out.

          • Complete starvation leads to death within 8 to 12 weeks. There are isolated cases of individuals living up to 25 weeks without food. Starvation begins when an individual has lost about 30% of his normal body weight. Once the loss reaches 40% death is almost inevitable

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation

          • There’s a hairdressers here called ‘Curl up ‘n’ Dye’. (not been in)…

          • The Tories want as many to die as possible because in the Tory mindset if poor people die it is their own fault for not finding a job. All the dirty vile Tory cares about is those they see as below them stop claiming benefits. Thatcher lives on in Smith, Osbourne, Cameron, IDS and Freud and all the others who want to demonize and destroy the weakest in society, the politicians are utter filth.

    • I don’t know who was working in the job centre the many times I have been sanctioned but I never even got hardship allowance, even though I applied.
      My housing benefit was stopped also and the council staff thought it was hilarious that they could make you walk miles to the council offices to fill in forms to have your housing benefit re-instated.
      I hope I see all of them on the bones of their arse.

      • The safety net has been completely removed. “compassionate Conservatism” my fucking arse. IDS should swing for what he has done. Cameron, Osborne & Freud too. The Class War has never been so brutal. Life in this poxy country is fucking medieval. But hey ho, its Rememberance Day, so hip hip hooray for Great Britain, & God Save the fucking Queen. So long as the Peasants know their place, it’s all well in UKplc.

      • and bums to you troll

  18. And they wonder why people are driven to despair. The Chatterering Classes wring their hands, “isn’t it awful” “why do they drink?” “why do they take drugs?” “why are they homeless?” “more Claret dear?”

  19. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/111441

    someone was posting this on vox political thought you all might be interested, if you haven’t seen it before.

  20. It could be worse, I could be working at I Interserve! That would be a fate worse than death. Too soul-destroying for words. Just entering the building sucks the life out of you. I hope the fucking place burns down.

  21. “Crack + Cider” – patronising appeasing bastards

  22. The trouble is sanctions kill is its a chouise between doing the workfare or being sanctioned and going hungry and how vile is that ? I’m on a work program myself at the moment thankfully only another two weeks to go …..but they will be back on my case I feel like im backed into a corner ,which I am they have not just myself but thousands by the short and curlys and unless we all get work ie real paying work ,paying a real life wage meaning we can come of benefits lol which is very difficult when your 50 as I am or older …..its like seeing a unicorn…..myself like thousands of others were haveing to make the best of a bad situation ie haveing to do workfare and I realy wish something would give …..but what are you gonna do if you get sanctioned unless you have friends and family to support you through the sanction…….your fucked ,how you gonna eat ,cook ,…..and if your renting in the private sector and mr landlord dosent get his rent your out ………on the street……..and from my own experience that is fucking terrifieing its like a sword of damaclease hanging over everyone’s heads and its fucking vile but until something gives we’ve got to roll with the punches and I hate to say take it….I’m a hardened old bag I can take it just but a lot of people can’t and to them god bless try and get through it ……….damoxxxxccc

    • overburdenddonkey

      damo
      warmest wishes….

    • That’s the whole reason they brought in all this conditionality; to impose ever increasing hoops to jump through in order to instill feelings of fear and insecurity into people’s lives. So that they’re forced into becoming a modern day slave working for a company or charity for nothing.

    • I know Damo, i’m in the same boat , over 50, no one to support me, no options but endless Workfare shite or Sanctions. But no matter what you do it never ends. I did New Deal 5 times, then the Work Programme, then Mandatory Work Activity, now its Community Work Placements. There is no end to this shite & I may as well let them sanction me for the full 3 yrs & have done with it.

  23. ‘Help To Work’ is enough to drive anyone to drink.

  24. Santa hates you

    Good article again JV. This fucking country has gone to the dogs under the Tories. There are loads of homeless people where I live right now. In fact I saw one the other day who only looked about 10 years old! It makes me feel so sad. It’s bad now, but what’s it going to be like in 5 years time?

  25. IDS threatens to resign if Osborne takes funds from his universal credit programme.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iain-duncan-smith-threatens-to-quit-if-george-osborne-raids-universal-credit-funds-a6725166.html

    I would prefer to see him sacked or arrested.

    • the bastard should be hung.

    • The bad fighting the bad.

      • I mean the Osborne v IDS spat, both are bad and are fighting each other.

        • Perhaps something we should be encouraging, as it means the Tories could be on the verge of imploding. That would certainly take the heat off Corbyn & Crew. Corbyn et al may not be the most radical movement on earth, and they are far from being as radically ‘left-wing’ as I would like, but compared to most of the crap we’ve had to endure for the past 36 years it’s a bit of a breath of fresh air, breathing space to consider better ways of living life, considering just how a system of UBI could be made to work, or just how do we deliver an eduction system designed to empower the individual and not to condition a workforce for exploiters, or a system of social care that is actually embedded in our communities instead of overlaid and controlled by the state.

          • Perhaps something we should be encouraging, as it means the Tories could be on the verge of imploding. That would certainly take the heat off Corbyn & Crew. Corbyn et al may not be the most radical movement on earth, and they are far from being as radically ‘left-wing’ as I would like, but compared to most of the crap we’ve had to endure for the past 36 years it’s a bit of a breath of fresh air, breathing space to consider better ways of living life, considering just how a system of UBI could be made to work, or just how do we deliver an eduction system designed to empower the individual and not to condition a workforce for exploiters, or a system of social care that is actually embedded in our communities instead of overlaid and controlled by the state.

            Indeed:)

  26. Sanctions kill what we need to do ,we and thousands of others is find somehow a part time job lol yes I know its like a needle in a haystack esp at our age and with all the compitition but our backs against the wall there’s no chouise ……until the situation changes we have to play the game and try and remain positive ……..here comes the harsh reality bit s anctions are killing people we all know and see this and if you or I at our age get a three year sanction we are fucked maybe get help from family or friends for a little while but there is the very real possibility of loading everything and ending up street homeless …..the though terrifies me I was street homeless in my early twentys your more rubbery at that age you can duck and dive and bounce back you can use your youth to hustle and do what you do to get what you need …..post 50 its a whole other story its fuck barbarian land out there ….people don’t last long now …so sanctions kill you like I and thousands of others have got to either find this mythical part time job or stick with the work fare I hate to say it andfucking bad is this its workfare or homelessness …..don’t let them sanction you……good luck…..cd

  27. I live in acton west London were a small terrece house is over half a million pounds yet on the streets specificly Acton high road there are homeless people everywere right sponge the uxbridge rd from shepards bush to ealing the poor bastards are everywere …..even Thatcher didn’t fuck with the wellfare state or the NHS and even Thatcher wouldn’t have aristocratic public school boys in her cabbinett Tory wets she called them ……so it seems we are in the age of the revenge of the public school boy and boy they realy are haveing a revenge……..but the tide is turning there is a fury bubbling up I was on the million mask march and the fury was very real even the police were scared those young people were switched on informed and not scared the clock is ticking for the tories people just have to put there armour on and roll with the punches …….the end is comeing for the Tories

    • Is it true that most UK jobs are advertised in foreign countries, that’s what I’ve heard, seems plausible as it’s mostly agency work on jobsites.

  28. I Hope that the present Leader of the Liberal Dictatorcrats will Never
    become Deputy Prime Minister as one Nutcase Con Dem Coalition is
    More than Enough

    Shame on the Liberal Democrats for going along like Sheep with
    Nutcase Public Spending Cuts and Destructive Austerity

    Keep the Liberal Dictatorcrats out of Office

    Bring Social Justice into the Heart of Government

  29. Trendiness does Not Help the Homeless a Place of Residence Does

    Repeal that Part of LASPO 2012 which makes Squatting in an Empty
    ” Residential ” Property an ” Offence ” as that Diktat is an Offence against
    Human Dignity

  30. It is Better that the Secretary of State For the Home Department Resigns
    then People in Great Britain are Enslaved by Orwellian Totalitarian
    So Called ” Extremist Disruption Orders ”

    Political and Religious Liberty is Worth More than Arrogant and Out
    of Touch Politicians

  31. Notice that Petition For the Resignation of Ian Duncan Smith as Secretary
    of State For Work and Pensions Now has over 114,795 Signatures .

    The Smug and Gormless Grins of too many Politicians makes my
    Blood Boil

    Let George Osborne Resign as Well

  32. I have no idea what the point of this ridiculous article is but all it does – along with previously attacking a couple of people that own a gimmicky cafe – is betray your own prejudice. How are you any better than the ruling class when you have a go at people because you perceive they come from a social background you don’t like. How is that any different than the Tories?

    You smear these two because you think they might fail or that their idea doesn’t meet your approval? Give me one piece of evidence that demonstrates this other than your ridiculous bigotry?

  33. Santa hates you

    ASK YOURSELF – WHO CARES ABOUT YOU?
    Clearly, the Tory government does not. In fact along with the whole fucking establishment, they are at war with a class of society it hates. Whether it’s the homeless, jobless or disabled, they are simply the target of choice for the Tory bastard brigade because they can’t fight back.

    Most of the media of course will not expose this criminal injustice as Cameron protected it during the Levison Inquiry. Most spineless charities look the other way because it’s safer to do so rather than taking on the government. Equally, the Labour movement has it’s limp dick hanging out whilst the people it’s supposed to represent are being murdered by the thousands by the worst Tory government in history. If your own government does not care about you then you should replace it. Democracy in the UK is designed to protect the establishment, yet at the same time harms the poorest in society. Anarchy is the only solution against this Nazi oppression!

  34. Ghostwisperer are realy thatfucking dumb wtf you can’t are you that stupid youcant see wits happening…….you fucking idiot…..fuck off

  35. The 9th of November Mark’s the Anniversary of the Outbreak of Kristallnacht in 1938 AD.

    Many Jewish Synagogues were Damaged whilst many Jews Ended up in Nazi Concentration Camps .

    This Happened after Ernst von Rohm was Killed at the German Embassy in Paris by Herschel Grynszpan

    The Nazis from the Depths of Hell lead Germany to Hell.

  36. I Agree Help the Homeless House the Homeless

    Shame on Alleged ” Charities ” with No Sense of Charity

    Boycott Them

    Marie | November 7, 2015 at 8:43 pm | Reply

    I haven’t got much money myself, but when I see homeless people sitting in in the streets, I’ll give em some spare change, or buy them a pasties or a sandwich, NO CHARITY ON THIS EARTH WILL GET A PENNY FROM ME AGAIN!

  37. A Place of Residence is a Basic Human Right so Yes to Housing the
    Homeless there is the Property Available in the United Kingdom to
    House the Homeless so End the Waiting Lists and Give the Oppressed
    Human Dignity

  38. I think about this issue often and today passed a homeless person who I gave £1 to and we had a chat. I don’t give a flying one what he spends it on. If I was homeless I would want to spend it on what I choose without someone telling me what is best for me. Just because you’re homeless doesn’t mean you should be choiceless.

  39. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    DWP bullies are like wimps – They back down & don`t want to know. Applies to threats, sanctions, bullshit & made up rules. Could & maybes are threats !!!!

  40. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Also Known as fraud loop holes.

  41. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    COMFUSION – Is it the DWP`s responsibility or is it the HCP responsibility.
    Until the DWP takes responsibility it has so many faults & failures to be proved by fraud in DWP Loop Holes..

  42. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    £800,010 Disability Fraud & counting.

  43. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    So what happens if you don`t fill out & send back the ESA50 bogus form !!!

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      Nothing happens – There are easier & quicker cash cows to be processed. We can process 5,000 claims before we can sort out your one. Such hard work.

  44. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    So there is a loop hole. All the junkies are on the same one.

  45. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    DWP How Do You Tie Up Shoe Laces !!!

  46. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    DWP Can you help me put on my socks !!!

  47. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    I got a job as a disabled sit down comedian !!!

  48. You don’t half talk a load of old cobblers, Johnny. I’ve known loads of homeless people and, without exception they have been societies dross. They are never grateful, and usually have an overwhelming sense of entitlement; most of them were alcoholics or drug addicts before becoming homeless; that’s what actually led to their being without an abode in the first place. By and large, they are just wasters. Give them a home, they will inevitably wreck it, they’ll drive their neighbours to despair and, they’ll end up back kipping on the streets again, putting on The Sad Face, sitting there in their kagoule and woolly hat and saying “Please, can you spare some change?” in that deliberately pathetic and wheedling monotone. Trust me, you just can’t help them…

  49. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    DWP PRESS RELEASE 5th Nov 2015

    Benefit fraud and error at record low

    Fraud and error in the benefit system has dropped to the lowest level ever, falling by £350 million last year.

    Work and Pensions Secretary, Iain Duncan Smith, said:

    “Benefit fraud is a serious crime and is taking money away from those in genuine need. That is why our investigators are vigilant in targeting criminals and bringing them to justice.

    “Our vital reforms are fixing the welfare system and today’s figures show fraud and error in the benefits system has fallen to a record low.

    “We are also continuing to recover more money than ever before, and Universal Credit will further reduce fraud and error.”

    The data reveals that:
    •fraud and error overpayments have fallen by £350 million to below 2% for the first time in a decade

    •benefit fraud stands at £1.3 billion or 0.8% of expenditure

    •claimant error fell to a record low of 0.6% of spending, which is £1.1 billion in 2014/15

    •official error remained at its lowest rate of £0.7 billion or 0.4% of expenditure

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/benefit-fraud-and-error-at-record-low

  50. Roger you know when you walk past people on the street and they all laugh at you is it becouse people call you …..princess tiny meat……

    • Is that the best you got Damo, a tiny cock jibe? How big is your cock, Damo, 5 – maybe 6 inches? you pathetic geek. I’m not even offended by your laughable attempt at a put down, fact is, is if I was gay, which I’m not, then you’d love my small but perfectly formed wood in your ass.

  51. paultheswineherd

    There is growing evidence that the Tory party may be starting to tear itself apart. IDS is threatening to quit and good riddance if so – but, lets see him prosecuted, if not immediately, then later – and that goes for Cameron & Osborne also for supporting and the implementing of austerity cuts.
    The comments underneath are worth having a look at too.
    http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2015/11/09/george-osborne-tells-ministers-you-must-deliver-on-cuts/

  52. paultheswineherd

    Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall on his TV programme has just said that Britain throw s out 7 tons of old/used clothes every 10 minutes!
    He also advised rather than than give them to the dustmen – why not give them to the charity shops! – if they cant get rid of them they could be ‘recycled’ and made into something different – such as a mop-head!
    I just only hope that poor workfare people don’t have to deal with it all!
    (But he did forget to say that they should be washed first) EEEuugghhhh!

    • Paul Hugh has probably never worked in a charity shop before and if he did, they probably know better than to give him horrible underwear to wash, because they would find themselves on his next programme. He has a point though about waste, some people buy a top and rather than go through the effort of washing it, throw it away after one days use, then buy another. Its a terrible waste and people ought to value their clothes more, fashion changes way too often today for people to get some use out of their clothes, but I am still wearing clothes from 18 years ago. Then when they have had their use they make good rags for cleaning with, then you will find there is hardly anything left to throw away.

      • Still wearing flared jeans, a kipper tie and platform soles from the 70s 😀

      • paultheswineherd

        Maria – yes you’re right on all of the points mentioned. I myself admit that I still wear some clothes that are between 10 & 13 years old – and they are still wearing well! Some of the modern more clothing probably would’nt last more than a few months!
        And, yes very old clothes make very good rags for cleaning also.

        • but the worst of it is people who waste so much food, and worse than that they throw food away that hasn’t even gone off, such terrible waste of things that if people were more sensible, poverty wouldn’t be such a big problem as it is now, surely if that food was saved and distributed properly extreme poverty at least wouldn’t exist.

        • Nothing is made to last anymore it even has a name something like inbuilt obsolence, so that manufacturers can keep producing and selling you another when one breaks and keeps people in work.

          The other side of the coin is goods that last for decades and nobody in work. Take your pick.

          • What’s the point of building a moby fone built-like-a-brick and designed to last a lifetime? Consumers always hanker after the ‘latest’ – even if it is crap? Windows 10 anyone 😉

            And as Christmas is fast approaching how many jobless households do you think are just about to bin their perfectly good working order 80 inch colour plasma ‘flatscreen’ TV with for a bendy OLED 64K one?

          • @flyhawks
            To give a good example, during my 1950/60s childhood days we had a thriving radio and TV industry producing expensive, craftsman-build merchandise designed to last. Because of the initial expense, we also had a thriving radio and TV repair industry, shops that often doubled up as cycle shops selling radio and cycle accessories. One of Thatcher’s (spit) casualties of her anti-union, anti-manufacturing policies. Now look at nowadays, cheap, far-Eastern consumer tat that is irreparable and just contributes to land-fill. And yes, I do repair and refurbish vintage radios for others.

            • Good on you wildswimmerpete for repairing and refurbishing vintage radio’s for others, when I used to have my video repaired it cost me almost as much as the video so found it cheaper to buy a new one.
              I would prefer to have good quality products that last, but the capitalist system will not allow it.
              It is only the rich that can afford to have goods made out of the materials they want and to the specifications they want these days.

  53. CWP:Who Dares Wins

    Think you are tough enough to survive the course and avoid a sanction?

    Ask your jobcentre work coach for an application form.

    • nah tried that, the last straw came, when they wanted me to go away on a disabled programme for 5 weeks, I have to be at home and look after my elderly parents for some of the day, I can’t leave them for five weeks. Bastards know we are vulnerable people and were looking to exploit that just to get rid of me.

  54. Nothing unusual. it’s why those of us on JSA don’t receive a reply after having applied for a job.

    London Zoo advertises for graduate to help run global project unpaid

    Candidate expected to monitor progress of major conservation plan full time in return for £5 a day for lunch and a Travelcard

    Tanya de Grunwald, the founder of the campaigning careers website Graduate Fog, which first highlighted the unpaid role, said there were concerns that charities are increasingly employing volunteers to carry out the same jobs as paid workers by taking advantage of a legal loophole in minimum wage law, which allows charities to claim their unpaid interns are “voluntary workers” and therefore not entitled to pay.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/09/london-zoo-graduate-role-unpaid-global-project-zsl

  55. Should a Basic Income be inadequate rather than household-based?

    At what level would the individual and unconditional basic income be pitched. If it is at the level of the guaranteed income currently enjoyed by each member of a couple, the amount is bound to fall far short of what is needed by someone who has no option but to live alone. If it is at the level currently awarded to a single person, the cost implications, in some countries at any rate, are phenomenal. This is again not just a matter of budgetary cost. There is an irreducible distributive cost in the sense of a dramatic shift of purchasing power from one-adult to bi- or multi-adult households. And there is also an irreducible economic cost, owing mainly to a substantial increase in the marginal rates required in order to fund the outlays for this enhanced basic income. There is therefore, in the short term at any rate, a dilemma between giving a fully individualised but inadequate basic income and giving a sufficient but household-modulated one (see Brittan & Webb 1991, Brittan 1995). Note, however, that this dilemma is not to be confused with a dilemma between making some households unacceptably poor (with too low an individual basic income) and subjecting all households for an indefinite period to a control of their living arrangements (with an adequate, but household-dependent basic income). Even under short-term cost constraints, the latter dilemma does not hold, for it is possible to conceive of a strictly individual but inadequate “partial” basic income for all, combined with a much shrunk residual means-tested household-tested social assistance for the reduced number of those who, despite the floor provided by the household’s basic income(s), do not earn enough to reach the income threshold as from which means-tested assistance is switched off. [Fig. 7] Providing it is not conceived as an immediate full substitute for existing social assistance, such a partial basic income thus provides an attractive way of handling both of the real cost problems – those stemming from incentives for low earners and individualisation – which a full basic income would raise (see e.g. Gilain & Van Parijs 1995 for a microsimulation of the distributive impact of such a partial basic income in the case of Belgium).

    http://www.basicincome.org/basic-income/faq/

    • obd
      You haven’t thought UBI through, you haven’t given it one iota of thought. You have just picked up some idea from that trashy red-top rag you read and thought: “That’ll suit me”. Absolutely no thought whatsoever given to how it would impact on various individual household. You are as bad as IDS and his Universal Credit crap!

      • there is a lot more to life than money and you won’t find happiness through it. Most people in this world don’t care about having a stack full of money, and they don’t care if some people have more. you have not answer my questions, instead you have shifted to another account, your all the same person and every time you write something you use the same words, so we know its you. I had a treasure yesterday, it was a great treasure, and today I lost it. And before you get ideas again of me having pots of money, your wrong because the treasure I lost was my mother. Stop stalking OBD, fair enough you don’t agree with him, but leave it at that. Take my previous advise and look in the mirror and ask yourself do you like what you see? you can’t force your views on other people it is wrong.

        • overburdenddonkey

          there is little chance of a UBI being implemented anytime soon, maria…
          what they actually object too is the comparative twixed what is now and what could be in a just society…they don’t like people to be empowered with ideas above their precarious class station…
          right wing govt suits them…

        • Since when the fuck did replying to a comment on a blog – you notice that great big REPLY button become ‘stalking’. It is really quite sad when you have to resort to DWP wordplay. Really fucking sad and pathetic! And btw, stop stalking your work coach!

      • Oh Jesus,some bedtime reading for you then too, Dummy

        http://basicincome-europe.org/brief-history-basic-income-ideas/

        You’re clearly confusing Universal Chaos with Unconditional Basic Income which has fuck all in common with IDS heap of crap. The key is in the word Unconditional. IDS’s has so many strings attached you could hang yourself. In fact the word Universal in his nasty little scheme is anything but…

        • With all due respect you are talking bs:

          UBI can also come with strings attached such as a ‘work-test’, a requirement to take up what a bureaucratic decides as a ‘suitable’ job, or a requirement to undertake ‘community work’. If you follow this through you could end up with a grotesque and absurd situation whereby a jobseeker in rented accommodation was performing ‘community work’ for their UBI whilst their next-door lecturer neighbour living in a mortgage-free house was also receiving exactly the same amount in UBI!

          “Is there a dilemma in “Job seeker’s allowance” versus “state-sponsored workfare”?

          It is mentioned here if you can be bothered to read it: It does argue that it may not be ‘cost-effective’ to force ‘recalcitrant human material’ into workfare. But neither are current DWP workfare schemes necessarily cost effective either. They exist solely as a means of punishing claimants and driving them off benefits.

          Closer scrutiny reveals that this expectation rests on feeble grounds indeed. For suppose first that the work test is conceived as an obligation to accept work if offered by some (private or public) employer concerned to get value for money. If the worker has no desire to take or keep the job, her expected and actual productivity is unlikely to be such that the employer will want to hire and keep her. But if the worker is formally available for work, the fact that she is not hired or that she is sacked (owing to too low a productivity, not to anything identifiable as misconduct) cannot disqualify her from a work-tested guaranteed income any more than from an unconditional basic income. The only real difference between the former and the latter is then simply that the former involves a waste of both the employers’ and the workers’ time. Alternatively, suppose that the work test is conceived as an obligation to accept a fall-back job provided by the state for this very purpose. Rounding up the unemployable and unmotivated is not exactly a recipe for high productivity, and even leaving aside the long-term damage on the morale of the conscripted and on the image of the public sector, the net cost of fitting this recalcitrant human material into the workfare mould might just about manage to remain lower than plain prison, with the cost of supervision and blunder correction overshadowing the work-shy workers’ contribution to the national product. The economic case for the work test is just about as strong as the economic case for prisons.”

          • “work-tested guaranteed income” – notice that the “guaranteed” is qualified by ‘work-tested’. 😉

          • overburdenddonkey

            it’s UNCONDITIONAL ie with no conditions, do you not understand english…!!

            • obd
              What exactly are you proposing obd? You don’t say! End all social security benefits? And pay EVERY adult over the age of 16 EXACTLY £x (enough to provide the ‘vitalities of life’) UNCONDITIONALLY and leave them to get on with it? Is that it in a nutshell? YES or NO? Or have us simple folk all missed something?

              • overburdenddonkey

                UNCONDITIONAL MEANS UNCONDITIONAL…a UBI IS a taxable SS benefit….to provide reliable supplies of vitality giving vitals of life for all income deprived peoples….it does need explaining it speaks for it’s self it’s in it’s title ffs…..yes leave people alone to get on with it if you need it splet out as you obvs do…ie no strings income ie income with no strings ie income no strings….ie income with no expectations in return from anyone else…

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Exactly, OBD. And if you want to earn on top of that you can…it’s a win-win situation. A bit like an old age state pension but for everyone, kids included. You’d have to be a bit unhinged or a Tory to oppose it…

                • obd

                  Except that the U stands for universal! There you go twisting things again.

                • Exactly, flyhawks. Paid UNIVERSALLY but with CONDITIONS attached to those who were dependent on it – the poor i.e. “community work”, “work-test”, “having a accept a “suitable” job, “work programmes” etc. In other words Universal Credit paid to everyone and acting as a nice income top-up for the middle-classes/rich whilst the poor get to suffer the “conditional” part 😉 Same old same old shit with a different spin packaged with a pink ribbon and bow.

                • Instead of a UNIVERSAL benefit why not pay the current CONDITIONAL benefits such as JSA, ESA UNCONDITIONALLY. Why the clamour for more UNIVERSAL e.g paid to the middle-classes/rich benefits? We don’t need more Winter Heating Allowances and all the other shit paid to rich fuckers! To fuck with a UNIVERSAL benefit paid to everyone but still with the same old CONDITIONS attached to those unfortunate enough to be at the bottom the economic totem pole.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  http://basicincome2013.eu/en/index.html
                  European Citizens’ Initiative for an Unconditional Basic Income….
                  typical i post a link the trolls condemn it without even having read it…if i post a link they say it’s useless and demand that i explain….
                  now as you demand evidence this means that you CLEARLY DON’T READ THE LINKS POSTED THAT PROVIDE IT, THERE IS NOTHING MORE THAT I CAN DO, DO ABOUT IT, MAKE YOUS READ THEM, OR ADD…
                  anybody think that they’re only trying to cause trouble…oh, wait! they are…!!

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Hi OBD, I dunno I’m offline for one day and I see that IDS’s bottom the troll still does not understand the word unconditional, then the bottom just farts and craps!

                • OBD people have read your bloody links and still don’t agree with them.

              • As far as I can see Social Insecurity ended years ago…hence the name got culled. And excuse me if I missed something but didn’t SS have conditions attached? Yes, so you’ve shot yourself in the foot once again…

                • See, there you go, putting words into people’s mouth again – where does anyone say that they oppose an UBI on principle. What we are trying to do is flesh out the detail BEFORE we make up our minds. Bread and butter stuff like how does it affect the pound in peeps pockets/standard of living? Is is just another middle-class/rich/Zac Goldsmith scam like so many others – you know like ‘workplace pensions’ – and all that shit to fuck over the poor?

                  And it obvious to anyone reading this that YOU are a Tory! YOU are a Tory!

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  That’s rich coming for you. Never voted in Tory in my life. Spend all day campaigning against them…the Tories will never go for UBI because they want conditions attached and they believe in the Protestant work ethic like you. Well, fuck that

                • You seem to be doing a lot of work campaigning and in different fields at that considering you don’t believe in the work ethic.
                  Where are these field – pop festivals.

            • And that is everything gone! JSA, ESA, pensions, child benefits, DLA, widow’s pensions, Motability…. everything gone to be replaced by a UBI. Or is UBI in ADDITION to existing benefits? Answer the questions, obd!

            • Oh yeah, and Housing Benefit/Council Tax Benefit would be gone too!

              • overburdenddonkey

                HOUSING/CT REDUCTION BENS ARE PASSPORT BENS….

                • So Housing/ Council Tax benefits would still be paid on top of UBI? Why don’t you just say!

                • UBI doesn’t make sense if Neighbour A has rent to pay but neighbour B is mortgage free with a vast Buy-to-Let scumlord property ‘portfolio’ yet they receive exactly the same UBI. Is housing not a ‘vitality of life’ then? 😉

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ok you don’t like UBI i get that, your choice but if you can’t work UBI out that’s your problem not mine….so bye trollssssssss

              • The only person that can’t work UBI out OBD is you, that is why you are asking everyone else to point out it’s flaws, then ignore them to save face.
                You never condemn the actions of your mates who are causing the reactions from us, then you state it is because they are not attacking you.
                HOW SELF CENTRED CAN A MAN BE?

                • UBI stands for Universal basic income not Unconditional basic income, you are a liar obd.

                • fly
                  But obd is trying to twist things and make out that Universal and Unconditional are one in the same, and that Universal Basic Income would be paid unconditionally when it doesn’t even say that on the tin!

                  UNIVERSAL Basic Income – an income to-up middle-class/rich which would dilute the value of existing benefits while the same poor sods would be expected to perform “community work” take any old shit “job”, attend “work programmes” as part of their “claimant commitment” to receive UNIVERSAL Basic Income.

                  YOU ARE FOOLING NOBODY!!

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  The troll is still farting out of his backside and it stinks something awful!

                  For anybody else – the U in UBI stands for Unconditional and here is a link to the Europe Group:

                  https://www.facebook.com/groups/basicincomeeurope/

                  And there you will find the right U word! Of course IDS’s bottom is going to bang on about universal chaos and muddling it with all the conditions because he created that mess!

                • You are right fly fly even if a little bit fly
                  OBD is certainly not fooling anybody.

            • Or are you proposing to keep the current UNCONDITIONAL benefits (which the middle/classrich claim 😉 ) – child benefits, DLA, Motability, widow’s pensions, winter fuel allowance, pensions and allow a UBI ‘top-up’, and scrap the current CONDITIONAL benefits – JSA, ESA, Housing Benefit/Council Tax benefits. So instead of JSA/ESA and Housing Benefits a claimant would receive an UNCONDITIONAL Basic Income (enough to provide the ‘vitalities of life 😉 ) ? Is this the deal? Pray do tell?

              • @Hawksthatfly
                Many if not most those on the State pension also claim Pension Guarantee Credit which is means-tested ie conditional. Bear in mind the (un)Priti Patel has also mooted that pensioners “do community work” for their (already fully paid-for) pensions. In other words Workfare!! Everyone has to work for Tory donor corporates.

            • You’re wasting your time, OBD. Guy Fawkes doesn’t understand the unconditional bit because he confuses it with IDS’s UC which is in any case a misnomer because there’s nothing universal about it either….

              • It is obvious who the trolls on here are and it sure ain’t the flyinghawkes!

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  No trolls here. I’ve been a regular on this site for ages but don’t come here much because of infants like you chucking their rattles about….

                • The last time piss artist moggy came on here she was arguing with me over jews and Judaism. She is a nut job.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  FH was banned for his anti-semitism. Went by the name of Kitty – vile specimen

                • Is that that disabled woman who was on here a while back, a right troll. Was her name “Kathyrn”. She was in a newspaper article. Stayed in a bungalow in Southend. She was a proven liar too. Think she might have popped up again. Need a memory jog.

                • Mog

                  So I am now accused of anti-Semitism which is yet another lie. Kitty will be one of your clan, i’m with the underdogs.

              • Same old smart-arse replies!

              • Paw Lore.

                Hawksthatfly is not Guy Fawkes, but it is welcomed with open arms for his views which oppose your moronic ones.

                As I have said further up the posts, your idea of UBI will be nothing but a poor law once again and only a tory would vote for it and support it like Zac Goldsmith. Doh!

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  No only a Tory would vote for something with conditions attached like UC, duh

                  Anyways, can’t spend all day arguing with people with half a brain cell….

                • For fuck sake make up your mind, even half a brain cell is better than someone like you who is brain dead.

                • ps Nobody I know is voting for UC or UBI so get your twisted facts right miss non-originality.

          • Oh ffs,flyhawkes or guyfawkes or whatever you call yourself – I know who you are and you still aren’t getting the difference between Universal Chaos and Unconditional Basic Income which has nothing of the sort attached to it as it’s not ever been introduced here. It’s not about ‘conditions’ or ‘work’ – it’s about every human being having what they are entitled to: food, warmth, shelter – what could you possibly object to about that?

            It’s you that’s talking bs. If you don’t know the difference now between the two I can’t be arsed to explain it to you because it sounds too much for you….

            Some bedtime reading for you too, only it might be over your head:

            http://basicincome-europe.org/brief-history-basic-income-ideas/

            • No, it’s YOU that is talking fucking bullshit!

            • btw you sound like a right fucking smarmy middle-class nobhead. No doubt you would benefit from UBI… like obd!

            • It’s about every human being having what they are entitled to: food, warmth, shelter – what could you possibly object to about that?

              And btw don’t try and put words into peeps mouth you smarmy fucker. Nobody said they object to human being receiving food, warmth and shelter. You are coming out with the same smarmy that you would expect of a jc work roach. You work for the jobcentre, work programme ‘provider’? Bye troll!

              • Hahaha no I’m not a troll but what a nasty little thick troll you are. JC? hahahha – how stupid are you? Not been near one in years. Carry on spitting your dummy out because your one little bwain cell can’t qwite wead or understwand, diddums

                • Think it’s best if we left it to others to judge who the REAL trolls are, eh. 😉

                • overburdenddonkey

                  hawk
                  and if others speak up and call you a troll will you stop posting here…!?

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Hey OBD, I’ve decided not to feed the troll(s). Let’s carry on a civil conversation between the two of us and ignore the visual tinnitus…they’ll soon die of boredom and go somewhere else to play their playground actics…

                • overburdenddonkey

                  i’ll start it off….you’re a troll hawk…..

              • OBD

                You are always trying to trump up support for your twisted depraved view on who and what people are in your opinion, what they think especially if they don’t agree with you and trying to enforce your own twisted codes of rules and regulations on here.
                Why don’t you just F OFF because I was posting on here even before you were.
                You are a big Jessie.

            • overburdenddonkey

              guy STOP YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS….

            • I know exactly the difference between unconditional basic income and universal basic income, and as far as I am concerned neither would be unconditional.
              I didn’t study politics and economics to be dictated to by a moggy.

        • PS Now your bs has been exposed you are trying to make out that those who question the merits of UBI are supporters of UC? WTF! Nice try though 🙂

  56. Dummy ,elbow grease whatever your name is this week why do you keep comeing back ????? Every one bitches you out and tells you to and tells you to get lost ……you are as thick as fucking pig shit as well as being a chronic inadaqute who’s never made anyone come or ever been kissed ……so do us all a favour take your tired eek …..and fuck off,you cunt

  57. Maria

    If you are not bothered about money and who has what, then why complain that the greedy rich in the form of conservatives are manipulating public money to itself and away from the working class poor.
    You talk like a twopence halfpenny book.

    • ps you can’t force your views on other people it is wrong. Try telling that to your friend OBD who forces UBI onto anyone that will listen.

      • OBD says he doesn’t believe in behaviourism, but tries to have anyone banned from the site who has a different opinion from his.
        You are both hypocrites Maria.

        • overburdenddonkey

          liar…..

          • overburdenddonkey

            nell-guy/EL
            but of course this is obviously what your trolling now is all about, because you think that you can insult anyone in anyway you choose which is why both of you were banned from posting on tom pride and one of yous is/was heavily moderated on tom pride… you nitpick etc @ people, take the piss out of other folk…

            • I was banned from Tom pride site for calling him a puppeteer and if I retracted what I called him I could come back, I refused because he was a puppeteer.

              You are the one that is making judgements about my comments to people some in jest some answering not so funny posters, whatever I do has nothing to do with you on this site, you and your moaning cronies are the ones that are in favour of behaviourism and banning.

              I most certainly am not a liar but you have proved yourself to be a liar, an evader and a hypocrite. over and over again.
              If I change names it is because I am constantly getting moderated not banned because of people that can give it but can’t take it.

              Far from being a liar, I am bluntly honest which is not to the taste of those that don’t like the truth.

              • overburdenddonkey

                you vowed to shut this site down what’s this if not spite, what is make your points without spite…people have opinions about your behaviour and they express them you call people weak etc coz they won’t take your shit and serve you…so it’s you who can’t take it or you wouldn’t insult people like you do…!!!

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Well said obd. I don’t come on this site much now because of trolls like this…I mean how many accounts as he got? Guy Fawkes, Flyhawkes, I don’t give a flying fuck flying hawkes….

                • It’s YOU that is the troll!

                • No I vowed to have this site closed down because JV whoever he is was taking instructions from the likes of you and your cronies rather than live up to the posts he is supposed to write and be unbiased in his judgments.
                  At times it was like the tails wagging the dog, the tell tales that is.

                • The above comment was to OBD.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  there is no such thing as unbiased judgements, if we’re kicked we react….

                • overburdenddonkey

                  you got banned coz of your spite and now you attack me coz i told you the truth that your not entitled to say what you like to others as if it’s your given right….you’re a brat pure and simple….

                • What about what your friend moggy has been saying to others – more one sided condemnation from you.
                  The only thing good about your friend Moggy is they knows how to swear so it would be impolite not to swear back at him/her.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Hi OBD

                  Isn’t it funny? I have never met you and only had the odd debate with you on here but suddenly we’re friends! Not that I mind you being called a friend at all but just goes to show how some people make 27 from 2 + 2. it’s the same kind of (lack of) logic that doesn’t understand UBI. Perhaps they’re government plants 😉

                • PS I did not get banned because of spite – more llies from the deluded OBD and his friend Moggy who thinks cats have brains enough to rule! Ha fucking Ha!

                • overburdenddonkey

                  but you’re attacking ME constantly moggy isn’t….

                • obd

                  “There is no biased judgements if we are kicked we react”.
                  Actually it was you and all your cronies that were ganging up on me and doing all of the kicking, I did react but jv chose the side of the gangsters.

      • overburdenddonkey

        hawk
        funny that as you brought up the subject of UBI on this thread….

        • I didn’t bring up the subject of UBI, I threw it up literally because it makes me sick how people who are appeasers and fawners of the rich and famous are more interested in manners than political morals in what they choose to adopt as policy.

          • overburdenddonkey

            but why the outbursts of vitriol UBI is not about to happen anytime soon, so why does the principle of it threaten you so much now…@ least you admit that you spew up, but not with facts but tantrums about how you don’t like the idea…. you feel threatened and challenged by another’s reasoning coz it’s not yours or don’t suit you…so what have you got to lose is what we now ask….why is it your way or the highway why do you want to dominate everything, why not do your own blog rather than try fuck up someone else’s…??

            • People have given you facts on the sham and shambles UBI would be, are you deaf, dumb and blind?

              • overburdenddonkey

                prove it where are your facts post them now…..

                • Go and play with yourself obd and read all of the posts that have criticized your ubi and why!

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Hi OBD

                  What you say makes perfect sense as does all that I have read about UBI. No conditions, no necessity to work, universal, no means-testing. People who want anything less are supporting the status quo. I am happy to debate with you because you are capable of a civilised and intelligent debate 🙂

                • overburdenddonkey

                  no it’s because your so called reasons are pure babble, that’s why you won’t post them in a onner, good @ demanding so much of others, but refuse to give if demanded of….

                • overburdenddonkey

                  i know moggy but why bother, have you seen enigma’s reply to you…?? staggering….

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Yes thanks, OBD 🙂

              • Is what you have just posted English OBD or is it your Scottish lingo.
                Whatever I never babble, so stop pinching silly Sibs words, who has been proved wrong more times than I have cooked dinners.

                • The trouble with you OBD is you can’t admit when you are wrong and have been proved wrong by me and others over and over again with viable reasons given as to why UBI is crap not UC that you and mog are trying to claim we are confused about.
                  She should be given to a Chinese restaurant if they could find her palatable.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  “She should be given to a Chinese restaurant if they could find her palatable…”

                  Cruelty to animals is closely related to cruelty to people….oh and I’m touched you should care enough to find out my gender

                • The only time I have ever demanded you reply to me is after you have tried that tactic on with me – I don’t answer to demands.

                • mog

                  I guessed your gender not looked you up – far from it- I don’t even think the Chinese would have a mangy thing like you.

                  Some animals can be cruel to people lions, tigers, puma’s and other moggies.

                • Cecil The Lion

                  flyhawks/guy thing, showing itself up, not only as a raging, infantile troll and an animal hater/potential animal abuser, but also as a racist.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  “flyhawks/guy thing, showing itself up, not only as a raging, infantile troll and an animal hater/potential animal abuser, but also as a racist.”

                  Yes, Cecil, bigots ate usually bigoted about everything

                • You lions love lying – get a life!

                • Mog have you run out of politically correct things to call me yet??
                  I will blow up a balloon and you can go on one of your gay pride marches.

  58. The Money Chucked Away on EU Membership and Overseas ” Aid ”
    can Better be Spent on Public Services here in the UK

    As for ” European Human Rights ” they did Not Save David Clapson and
    have Not Housed the Homeless Nor have they Stopped Tax Breaks for
    Millionaires whilst the Poor are Oppressed by Poverty and Deprivation
    in Tory Nazi Britain

    End Austerity Set Europe Free from the Politician and Bureaucrat EU

    • Money is not chucked away on EU membership, NoOppression. That’s the kind of immigrant-phobic UKIP Daily Smear propaganda Tories love for you to believe.

      Nor are they squandered on Overseas Aid. If anything we in the 1st world have a duty to pay up for all the indebting, starvation & slavery that we caused in the 3rd world – all for your comfort to buy food from Africa or goods produced in China, Bangladesh or India.

      A membership in EU (or rather: European Economic Area EEA) ensures that citizens in any of these countries have a freedom of movement. This enables expatriate Britons to claim benefits in France, Germany, Sweden, etc. where the rate of benefits are usually higher & their welfare states more secure. Do you really want these people to be stripped from their benefits & forced back to UK?

      IDS has already violated EU laws by infringing on the EEA citizens rights to benefits in UK. Apparently EU has taken Britain to court over this. And Cameron wants nothing more than to abolish EU Human Rights laws. These are the real reasons why Tories hate EEA. Because EEA citizens are expected to be treated equally & adhere to greater human rights standard than UK currently provides.

      So if you really believe in No Oppression, NoOppression, then stop oppressing people from overseas. Instead educate yourself on what immigrants are facing today. Cancelling that Daily Smear subscription would be a start.

      • Yep Plebrise, there are 2 sides to EU but the reason the Tories want to leave it is a) because they want to get rid of the good bits ie the social charter and human rights which protect workers and Trade Union rights (what’s left of them) and b) they are pandering to the xenophobia of the kippers

        • And the reason Europe does not want us to leave is because we have big bucks invested in Europe along with the subscriptions we pay, which you might need to pay for your UBI 🙂

          • overburdenddonkey

            https://fullfact.org/economy/cost_eu_membership_gross_net_contribution-30887
            ‘In 2013, UK government gross contributions were £14 billion. After rebates and other receipts, our net contribution was £8.6 billion, or about £24 million a day on Nigel Farage’s framing….’ and not £55m/day as many claim…. uk ss benefits unclaimed £16bn….+ whats been robbed from the over 60’s… + in trade it’s more than made up for…. and then what the uk spends on war….a pity they’re not, you’re not, making as much fuss about unclaimed bens etc….ho-hum….

            • I replied further down regarding unclaimed benefits, perhaps you should campaign for government to start advertising who the unclaimed benifitees are and what they can claim?

  59. My Blood Boils with Rage at the Mess of the State of this Country and
    How Out of Touch too Many Are

    Increase Welfare Benefits End Tax Breaks for I Am All Right Jack
    Millionaires

  60. Perhaps Manchester Council Responsible for this Atrocity against
    Homeless People should Resign in Disgrace

    House the Homeless Give them Money if people wish to Change the
    Council End Austerity and Have Real Public Services

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System | November 9, 2015 at 6:16 pm | Reply

    Manchester homeless people face jail over city centre tent camps

    Seven people are accused of breaking injunction barring anyone from pitching tent in city to protest against council homelessness policies

    Guardian – 30th Sep 2015

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/30/manchester-homeless-people-face-jail-over-city-centre-tent-camps

  61. Poverty premium: why it costs so much more to be poor.

    The poorest UK households are locked out of the cheapest deals on energy and phone tariffs – but some councils are taking action.

    Being poor comes at a cost. The best bank accounts, borrowing rates and energy tariffs are all reserved for people who are in a position to shop around. And if you do not have a clean credit file or access to up-to-date technology you can expect to pay more for almost everything you buy.

    http://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2015/nov/10/poverty-premium-costs-poor-energy-phone-tariffs-councils

  62. “Thought the DWP and its hand picked assassins couldn’t get any lower?”

    Think again………….

    Their latest ruse is to let you undergo a medical with the chosen cemetery fillers, ATOS or MAXIMUS.
    You have asked to have your medical recorded because it is being performed by an ex bedpan washer or someone of dubious character, a paramedic or first aid man from the Balkans with home spun references…..

    Be very careful, they are letting you complete your examination then telling you that the equipment is faulty and has not recorded properly, thus failing to furnish you with evidence.

    To sink this low is a prime indication that they see bundles of litigants in the near future.

    Hence Cameron’s pilgrimage to the far kingdoms that pay proper benefits, not the crumbs afforded to the people of the UK. He states that it is unfair for other members of the little clique to enjoy our generous handouts……

    Who is this toffee nosed, pompous cunt kidding.

    Shagging pigs heads must have had a detrimental effect on his vacuuous brain cavity………….

    • Government welfare advisor did not know about 2010 suicide ‘triggered by work assessment’

      Penny Marshall Social Affairs Editor
      Stephen Carré took his own life in 2010.
      Stephen Carré took his own life in 2010. Credit: Handout

      A coroner’s warning that the impact of the last Labour Government’s Work Capability Assessment triggered a suicide is the second one ITV News has uncovered in collaboration with the Disability News Service.

      The fact that the Government’s chief welfare advisor at the time says he didn’t know about it suggests that lessons that could have been learnt from the tragedy weren’t, and it once again draws attention to the way people with mental health issues have been treated on the WCA.

      Stephen Carré took his own life in 2010 after he lost an appeal against the finding that he was fit to return to work. He was clinically depressed and had been diagnosed as bipolar.

      At the inquest into his death the coroner ruled that the decision that he was “fit for work” had been the trigger for his suicide.

      The coroner made his concerns about the system known to the Department of Work and Pensions in March 2010 by issuing what was then known as a Rule 43, a rare and significant intervention.

      “I feel the decision by the department NOT to seek medical advice from the claimant’s own GP or psychiatrist if they are suffering a mental illness should be reviewed,” Coroner Tom Osbourne wrote.

      His office told ITV News they have never received a “substantive” reply from the DWP to their 2010 letter.

      And the man in charge of reviewing the WCA at the time for the Government says he was never even told about the case.

      Professor Malcolm Harrington, who led the first three of the Government’s five Independent Reviews into the WCA from 2010 to 2012, says if he had known about the case, he would have raised the alarm about the vulnerability of mental health claimants in the system earlier and more vehemently in the first of his three reviews.

      And Paul Farmer, CEO of the mental health charity MIND, said overlooking Stephen’s case looked like a “major system failure”.

      He said had it been investigated properly the experience of hundreds of thousands of people who went through stressful fit for work tests could have been different.

      A DWP spokesman said: “Suicide is a tragic and complex issue and there are often many reasons why someone takes their life, so to link it to one event is misleading.

      “Since this inquest took place under the previous Government we have made significant improvements to the Work Capability Assessment, including improving the process for people with mental health conditions.

      “The percentage of people with mental health conditions who get the highest level of support has more than tripled since 2010

      ……………..TYPICAL DWP RESPONSE, ABSOLUTE CLAPTRAP GENERATED BY A GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT THAT KILLS AT WILL AND TRIES TO BURY THE EVIDENCE USING BENT STATISTICS.

    • 🐷 ha ha ha.

  63. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    The thread looks a mess with so much personal wars going on. Poverty has no time for time wasters !!!

    • overburdenddonkey

      steppin are you saying that i shouldn’t post what i think coz if you are and it causes you problems then i will stop posting now because the last thing i want to do is fuck this blog up for others …

      • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        obd – No – Why bother with idiots. Trying to convince an idiot – why bother !!!

        • overburdenddonkey

          well in that case let me know that you think they’re idiots, coz i worry others may believe their fucking bullshit and coz i fucking care deeply about downtrodden peoples…and they only care about their own selfish spiteful games if i post on any subject they post condemning what i say and i’ll end up being afraid to speak my mind in case they do….then i get blamed by others for posting to them and encouraging them but they want to shut me up….

          • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

            You can not change people`s minds & why should you, they are not anyone special. These are the people when Tax Credits bite will want the answers. So more fool them. If you want answers you got to paying me £££££ Tory Tax Credit Victims !!!

            • Hello Stepping Razor Sound Plate System
              Good to know there are a few civil people on here. I agree with your approach. If you treat people with different views how you’d want to be treated then people will listen. Pretty simple really 🙂

          • OBD – you may have noticed that I’ve stopped responding to some commentators here, particularly one nasty example. All of them are idiots, and it just makes sense to ignore them, rather than argue with them, or try to change their minds. Their loss. Most of their criticisms stem from you not outlining a perfect system of UBI, which not even the ‘experts’ could reasonably expect to do.

            FOR THE IDIOTS – UBI is Unconditional Basic Income, which means that you get it just for breathing, there are no catches, you don’t have sign on, you don’t have to provide a worksearch, it’s money for free, gratis, for doing nothing except breathing. You will be able to work, but you won’t be obliged to work, but the fact is the vast majority of us do already ‘work’ it’s just that it’s not paid, and much of it isn’t defined as work, precisely because it isn’t paid. If you got paid work, you would still keep your UBI, but would pay tax on your wages.

            People already getting paid high incomes for the work they do would still get the UBI, but because they get paid high wages they would pay more tax on their pay, which would cancel out the amount of UBI they received, and anyway, making UBI subject to a means test would mean bureaucracy which would reduce the efficiency of UBI and probably cost as much, if not more than would be saved.

            Obviously the above is very oversimplified, (but I’m trying hard to consider the mindset of idiots here, after all, and wouldn’t want to strain the half brain cell they collectively posess) and would need refining. It will probably become a reality, and probably as a result of activity by the better educated members of the precariat, not because they are any better than anyone else, but because they are better educated and more able to articulate and organise than most others.

            • overburdenddonkey

              sib
              not change their minds but understand them….and why they insist on bullying me and others….

              • OBD please ignore the Trolls, and stay here I will miss you if you don’t post.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  I’m ignoring them, Maria.
                  I get a picture of some bitter al weasels who had sand kicked in their weasly faces when they were kids and now they think they’ve got so much power behind a keyboard….it’s beyond sad

                • I agree Moggy

                • overburdenddonkey

                  moggy
                  they never had to demand as children, when their needs weren’t met by others without demand, they masked their lack of demand self-esteem and become tantrum throwing, bullies…
                  bullies always claim to be victims and their victims rarely claim to be their victims, coz it’s always met with derision if they do…’turn that frown upside down’ laughter is the best medicine’ move on let go grow up you’re immature, you lack courage/morals, LMF, you just don’t think, sneak, pig, liar, thief, etc etc… if their victims demand, all hell breaks loose….and demand of victim until victim exhausted, when the bully can easily meet it’s own needs….
                  ie need more info on XYZ….
                  or throw utter trash in the way of victims explanations and attempts to meet bullies demands….which in turn explains the term feeding the troll…

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Great summing up, OBD.

                  It’s also classic projection. They project onto others the worse aspects of themselves eg they’ll call you a troll, call you a Tory, call you stupid and ignorant, call you the abuser because they can’t cope with these traits in themselves. Simple psychology really. The other thing is they’re attention-seeking and so it’s best to freeze them out 🙂

                • overburdenddonkey

                  moggy
                  there’s more to add about preds (need and wants all mashed up) and pods pre-demand feeders up front with violence drip drip and pods post-demand feeders violence bottled up…preds dig dig dig pods explode pods accused of having hissy fits et al

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Spot on, OBD

                • overburdenddonkey

                  typo and pods, preds, pre-demand feeders up front with drip drip drip goad snipes violence up front….

                • Make your mind up OBD “violence bottled up”, you have just accused me of letting violence out.
                  You are the one that has pent up anger supposedly due to your past, not me, I laugh at mine it is bloody hilarious, i’m thinking of writing a book.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  I’ve already written several books while you were busy ponging out your nappy with more of your shit!

                • OBD

                  hissy pods drip bods ??? What language was that donkey con, it must have been because moggy said message received and understood.

              • “not change their [troll] minds but understand them….and why they insist on bullying me and others….”

                I think you’re going through a similar process that victims of other abuse are going through, overburdenddonkey.

                We try to understand our oppressors, why they bully or violate us. We try to make sense of how their minds work, why just they became bullies & not us, if something happened in their childhoods, etc..

                But the bottom line is – being a bully is a choice. They will not stop bullying because we want them to. And the more time we spend analysing them, the less time we spend:

                – setting boundaries for their behaviour
                – looking after our own needs
                – interact with decent people.

                Because any answers that we can possibly conceive about why bullies insist on bullying others, only serve to make excuses for their behaviour.

                Take childhood trauma for instance. Well, lots of people had childhood traumas & did not resort to bully others. Chemical brain imbalances… please! There are plenty of bipolar or neuro-diverse decent people out there.

                I’m not saying we should ignore bullies. What we can do is to state that their behaviour is hurtful & that we no longer wish to talk to them. Then if they continue – move on. Don’t respond back. Starve them of any attention. Or report them to Johnny Void.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  plebrise
                  no bigger than that, is our whole bullying culture….and showing it up for what it is…i already understand where their crap is coming from, but as they use common words to convey their message and demanding they’re difficult to spot and/or counter….on a blog, which is plain to see even moderating them is difficult…

                • Moderating trolls is simple, overburdenddonkey. What I usually do is post:

                  “Ah, more benefitshaming from trolls…” or
                  “Ah, more argument twisting from trolls…”

                  Either on its own or with a quote from their least intelligent remarks. Then I just leave it at that.

                  That way, I’ve alerted other posters without getting into any subsequent hundreds of thousands 24/7 disputes with trolls.

                  Someone here greets them with a Troll Welcoming Party. Oh, how I miss that 🙂 A great idea, especially when outing trolls’ sock puppet profiles.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  “Someone here greets them with a Troll Welcoming Party. Oh, how I miss that 🙂 A great idea, especially when outing trolls’ sock puppet profiles.”

                  It’s not even difficult to work out the sock puppets, Plebrise!

                  I have some troll spray. If my browser was all singing and dancing I could lend you a virtual copy in the form of an image 😉

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ps plebrise
                  no i don’t make excuses for their behaviour, know the reasons and treatment available for their disorder, but i get that i can now ignore known trolls, and no one will mind…perhaps i’ll post once to them just clear up my need to say something….

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  plebrise@ Well said.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Yes, easy to report the trolls to Johnny Void. Problem is it’s easy to come on here under a new moniker even under the same account. But JV is probably tech savvy enough to call them out

                • Hey Moggy

                  Your browser might not be all singing and dancing but your dancing around the truth, tinged with heartbreaking LGBT pc is worth of a Cecil B de milne epic.

                  You do nothing but moan because others can beat you in debates or arguments, you gang up on them, call them trolls and bullies.
                  We may have splinters in our eyes, but you have bloody big wedges in yours.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  What others would those be? Oh the troll means him. That is laughable. He wouldn’t know a debate if it bit him on his sorry arse…

                • Sorry never mog.

                  There is no point in crying over your spilt milk is there.
                  Have you been castrated yet?

                • overburdenddonkey

                  plebrise
                  i’ve come across and studied your behaviourist proposition many many times before in my life…it goes round in circles and has no resolution, thanks anyway…

            • OBD – you may have noticed that I’ve stopped responding to some commentators here, particularly one nasty example. All of them are idiots, and it just makes sense to ignore them, rather than argue with them, or try to change their minds. Their loss. Most of their criticisms stem from you not outlining a perfect system of UBI, which not even the ‘experts’ could reasonably expect to do.

              FOR THE IDIOTS – UBI is Unconditional Basic Income, which means that you get it just for breathing, there are no catches, you don’t have sign on, you don’t have to provide a worksearch, it’s money for free, gratis, for doing nothing except breathing. You will be able to work, but you won’t be obliged to work, but the fact is the vast majority of us do already ‘work’ it’s just that it’s not paid, and much of it isn’t defined as work, precisely because it isn’t paid. If you got paid work, you would still keep your UBI, but would pay tax on your wages….”

              Yay for another voice of reason! I’ve written about this many times – one of my old blog posts was something along those lines:

              “We are sick. Sick of the ‘something for nothing rhetoric’ when we are in fact people who receive nothing for something. We give something and expect nothing or very little in return. We celebrate the creative diversity and art forms of the long term sick and disabled, and those with long term health problems be they mental, physical or both, visible or invisible, fluctuating or chronic. We create not only for the health and benefit of ourselves but for the wider community. Our expression is through our writing, our art, music, satire, film, photography, video, radio, poetry, crafts, song, novels, blogs, diverse thought….

              If we make any money at all, it is not enough to live on. Successive governments don’t value the arts unless they are economically productive. They only value us as economic units, hence all the talk of ‘something for nothing’. We are all nothing to them unless we are economically self-reliant. When they refer to hard-working people, when did you last hear this in relation to artists? In an aggressive Capitalist society, we are dispensable if we can’t be self-reliant, even though our health problems prevent us from being self-reliant. The arts is precarious, our health is precarious….this is also applies to carers, volunteers, people studying, kids, parents, people do jack all. Anybody who opposes it must be for the wage slave system, pure and simple.

              • So someone who wants to eradicate currency is in favour of a wage slave system?
                Do me a favour and bog off you are the one that is in favour of the capitalist society you are condemning, by telling those able to work that they can earn money on top, the rich can still have UBI etc. etc.
                Those who study will still have to borrow for tuition fees, those whose basic income does not even end up covering the basics will have to borrow and all of this system is so that the rich in the uk can invest and buy up properties in Europe and third world countries with their basic incomes, while the poor have been paid a silence benefit after being tortured by IDS and his bullying benefits system into signing away their welfare heritage.
                You still don’t say where all of this money to pay every man woman and child will come from when they can’t even afford to pay those entitled to benefits without imposing austerity.
                YOU ARE FOOLING NOBODY!

      • overburdenddonkey

        i await your reply and will not post again until you tell me what you want me to do….

        • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

          There is lots more work to do & your knowledge is being wasted on idiots who know how to get you posting in replys. What we need is KNOWLEDGE !!!!

          • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

            You can fight 30 trolls but in that time knowledge could be gained & we are the ones who you need to reply to not idiots.

          • overburdenddonkey

            but that’s what i’m trying to do and they’re trying to stop me from posting…

            • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

              I get rid of my Trolls as quickly as possible – 5 mins at most !!!

            • Who is trying to stop you from posting – that is your dirty tricks not anyone elses, we are trying to get you from flogging a dead horse like UBI to those that know it was constructed by the rich mainly for the rich and to put an end to legitimate welfare, which they have eroded in an effort to get their own way.
              You are the moron that has fallen for their clap trap hook line and stinker.

              • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                The mind boogles putting words into other people`s mouths & your own. The confussion of a mental level too brain rot is the answer !!!

                • SRSPS Your friend OBD is the one that has been trying to put words into other peoples mouths regarding UBI which we are criticizing. Then he goes off on a tangent crying he is not going to post on anything.
                  Someone get the violins out!

              • overburdenddonkey

                ‘You are the moron that has fallen for their clap trap hook line and stinker’ ok i’m an idiot, a moron, i won’t post about UBI, dr bob johnson, welfare rights, the dwp jsa esa etc anymore i won’t have any ideas to contribute coz i’m a weak, easily led, moron, i’ll leave it up to the likes of you to theme this blog…. bye….

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  obd – I am not calling you an idiot & have never called you an idiot.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  steppin
                  i know…

                • Maria

                  You are the best laugh, “although we don’t always agree we are civll and listen to one another even if we don’t agree with their point of view”.
                  Like telling them they are wrong if they don’t have your viewpoint.

          • SRSPS

            You are dead right what you need is knowledge!

            • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

              November 10th 2015 Flyhawks 8AM till 12PM that is 16 hours non stop posting. Seriously mental health problems that you can`t admit – So 24 hours a day non stop proving your mental health problem.

              • Razor do us a favour and slit your throat, that might shut you up and stop you from posting tripe, the UBI supporters are the ones with mental illness and that includes you.

                • ps we obviously have more stamina than you lightweights.

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  18 Hours a day posting crap.

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  See if you can beat the record of 26 hours posting in a day = 24 hours !!!

                • Cecil The Lion

                  Anyone can post here flyhawks, irrespective of whether or not they agree or disagree with you or anyone else. The only person who has any clout over who posts or does not, is the blog owner.

                  You might want to rein in your aggressive and threatening posts aimed at individuals, unless you wish to get the blog owner into trouble. Just because many people think that UBI is a great idea, does not give you the right to behave like a Class A wanker.

                  No one is impressed by you.

                  You posted “Razor do us a favour and slit your throat” That’s a distinctive and offensive manner in presenting debate. It’s threatening and unacceptable in any discourse. You know that.

                  It’s a sad fact of life that no one is going to agree with you all the time. It’s time to accept that, and quit trying to rip everyone a new arsehole via text tantrums.

                  Stepping
                  OBD
                  Maria
                  Moggy
                  Sib
                  ….and plenty of others have been polite & informative to you in their responses.

                  They deserve a medal, and we all deserve UBI.

                  🙂

                • Thank you Lion, OBD I like our chats and even though we don’t always agree we are civil and mindful and respectful of other peoples view point. If you want to say to someone that is not right and explain why, do it, but there comes a time, when you know they are deliberately being nasty and spinning things out for ever and resorting to name-calling , just stop responding to that because it is a waste of your life.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  “It’s a sad fact of life that no one is going to agree with you all the time. It’s time to accept that, and quit trying to rip everyone a new arsehole via text tantrums.

                  Stepping
                  OBD
                  Maria
                  Moggy
                  Sib
                  ….and plenty of others have been polite & informative to you in their responses.

                  They deserve a medal, and we all deserve UBI.

                  :)”

                  Aw thanks, Cecil…am feeling the lurve 😉 Solidarity to you. You know what gets me is that the troll is playing right into the hands of IDS and all his cronies. They only get into power through their divide and rule tactics and while I welcome healthy debate, trolls trying to destable solidarity rather than being united against the common enemy is why our enemies succeed

                • Cecil the lion.

                  You can fuckoff also Sib, because that is who you are. The UBI lot are the ones that insult first, push their agenda at every opportunity and do not want any opposition so get your facts right, but ofcourse you can’t if you support UBI.

                  I don’t care whether anyone agrees with me or not I have never, ever asked anyone to support me like you lot do and jump to each others defence, but I guess you sheep think there is safety in numbers.

                  Razor is the one who tried to insult me before I made the remark to him in jest – get a life you moron.

                • Cecil The Lion

                  Watching your posts flyhawks is like watching sewage, swirl down the drain.

                  If I was a cruel lion, I would find that funny.

                  Homelessness is not funny. Tried that have you? How about you try that for a bit, proper homeless. Then see what your response is to a state that offers you UBI.

                  There’d be no feathering your tail.

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  Perhaps being polite is an insult to you flhawks.

                • Angel the Antelope

                  With all due respect Cecil, I would suggest that flyhawk was speaking figuratively when they suggested that Stepping Sound Razor Plate System should slit their throat i.e. stop stop posting.

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  Flyhawks is the giver of suicide. Suicide brings joy to flyhawks as entertainment.

                • Cecil The Lion

                  I see what you are getting at Angel, but to me, it all merges into the same thing. The blog owner has allowed anyone to post & debate here. If all that is left in the box of tools for debate is the use of violent language, to get someone to stop posting…

                  …I think the bottom of the barrel has been reached

                  But hey, ever onward!

                  UBI wouldn’t half help people with no roof, no food, no bed, no door 🙂

                • Hear, hear! We all (me included 😉 ) deserve UBI 🙂

                • Very Worried Family

                  What would happen to Tax Credits under UBI? Would be lose them? Not to mention our child benefits and help with our rent/council tax?

                • The Voice of Reason

                  And since it appears that a UBI would replace the Welfare State as we know it, although the pro-UBIers on here seem to be saying that Social Insecurity is already a distant memory hence the pressing need for a UBI, what would happen if a Government decided to whittle away the value of UBI like they are doing with certain benefits at the moment or just scrapped it all together. If your were solely dependent on UBI it would be just like having the rug pulled from under your feet. Market mechanisms would readjust and the UBI-dependants would be left behind and frozen out. Under a post-Welfare State/UBI system it would be very easy to be left with NO INCOME. There is NOTHING to fight for. When the plug is pulled those at the bottom are going to drown.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  “And since it appears that a UBI would replace the Welfare State as we know it, although the pro-UBIers on here seem to be saying that Social Insecurity is already a distant memory hence the pressing need for a UBI, what would happen if a Government decided to whittle away the value of UBI like they are doing with certain benefits at the moment or just scrapped it all together. If your were solely dependent on UBI it would be just like having the rug pulled from under your feet. Market mechanisms would readjust and the UBI-dependants would be left behind and frozen out. Under a post-Welfare State/UBI system it would be very easy to be left with NO INCOME. There is NOTHING to fight for. When the plug is pulled those at the bottom are going to drown.”

                  The rug has already been pulled from the feet of many or had you not noticed, Voice? And those that are left are floundering about on a slippery threadbare mat which they have to beg to stay on. UBI is at least unconditional…food, housing, warmth, leisure…these things should be unconditional. As was said in the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists if they could find a way of marketing oxygen ‘the markets’ would. They just don’t know how to. Yes I use the term Social Insecurity because it is a distant memory and it always was conditional. Unconditional is the key word here with UBI eg similar to the State Pension. OK, you can argue that UBI is conditional on the vagaries of the powers that be but the same is true of Social (In)security and state pensions. You know many of us in our 50s now can’t wait to get to our mid 60s (even though the goalposts have been shifted) not for the princely sum that the state pension is but because it is largely unconditional. None barbaric sanctions or hoops to jump through or proof of disability etc. Even pensions are now under threat…this is what’s left of our Social Security system. I don’t even call it SS because it is no more. Nobody has ‘security’ on it any more. They even changed the name to the DWP because they decided the name no longer applied.

                • The Voice of Reason

                  A far better idea and to prevent citizens from going under would be to have a system of BENEFITS for people in NEED. Like benefits if you are unemployed, sick, disabled, can’t afford your rent… 😉 And these benefits were specifically targeted at those in NEED. Kind of like a ‘safety net’ so that you knew if you were ever to fall on hard times (touch wood!) you wouldn’t ‘fall through the cracks’.

                  Being solely dependant on an ‘income’ that *everyone* is entitled to does seems to be on rather shaky ground. ‘Solely dependent’ are the operative words here. UBI would appear to be beneficial if it wasn’t your sole income (and dependent on where any withdrawal ‘taper’ kicked in).

                  In summary: UBI is good if you are working or have other income and particularly if you can earn a significant amount before you begin to ‘lose’ your UBI to tax. UBI is bad as a replacement for a proper Welfare State which delivers a range of benefits. UBI is bad if it is your only income.

                  And obviously a UBI paid at a single rate would be more beneficial to couples rather than singles and more beneficial to children still living at home.

                  Examples for illustrative purposes only:

                  ‘Sarah is single and lives in a council flat. She is on JSA and is responsible for her own bills. Sarah would be worst off under UBI.

                  Zac and Jemima live at home with their lecturer parents. Zac is a stockbroker in the city and Jemina is a teacher/aspiring actress model. Zac and Jemina’s parents allow them to live rent and bill free. There parents already hold a vast property portfolio. UBI would allow Zac to keep up the payments on a brand new Lambourghina. Zac and Jemina would be better off under UBI.

                • The Voice of Reason

                  A far better idea and to prevent citizens from going under would be to have a system of BENEFITS for people in NEED. Like benefits if you are unemployed, sick, disabled, can’t afford your rent… 😉 And these benefits were specifically targeted at those in NEED. Kind of like a ‘safety net’ so that you knew if you were ever to fall on hard times (touch wood!) you wouldn’t ‘fall through the cracks’.

                  Being solely dependant on an ‘income’ that *everyone* is entitled to does seems to be on rather shaky ground. ‘Solely dependent’ are the operative words here. UBI would appear to be beneficial if it wasn’t your sole income (and dependent on where any withdrawal ‘taper’ kicked in).

                  In summary: UBI is good if you are working or have other income and particularly if you can earn a significant amount before you begin to ‘lose’ your UBI to tax. UBI is bad as a replacement for a proper Welfare State which delivers a range of benefits. UBI is bad if it is your only income.

                  And obviously a UBI paid at a single rate would be more beneficial to couples rather than singles and more beneficial to children still living at home.

                  Examples for illustrative purposes only:

                  ‘Sarah’ is single and lives in a council flat. She is on JSA and is responsible for her own bills. Sarah would be worst off under UBI.

                  Zac and Jemima live at home with their lecturer parents. Zac is a stockbroker in the city and Jemina is a teacher/aspiring actress model. Zac and Jemina’s parents allow them to live rent and bill free. There parents already hold a vast property portfolio. UBI would allow Zac to keep up the payments on a brand new Lambourghina. Zac and Jemina would be better off under UBI.

                • For illustrative purposes only:

                  ‘Donkey’ owns and lives on a vast roaming estate in the Scottish Highland over-looking the banks of Loch Glenfiddich. ‘Donkey’ has worked all their live and has built up a significant savings and a substantial pension pot. ‘Donkey’ is not dependent on benefits. UBI would provide a significant income ‘top-up’. ‘Donkey’ would be better off under UBI.

                  ‘Guy’ lives in a council flat in a run-down English sea-side town. Guy has spent little if any time in work instead choosing to bring up children.
                  Therefore guy has absolutely no capital, savings, property or otherwise. ‘Guy’ is dependent solely on benefits. ‘Guy’ would be worse off under UBI.

                  ‘Sib’ lives in the Welsh Valleys. Sib is independently very wealthy and is a member of the local Conservative Association. ‘Sib’ list amongst their hobbies, ‘big-game hunting ‘ and ‘going on safari. ‘Sib’ would be better off under UBI.

                • They deserve a medal and all deserve UBI – I wouldn’t give them house room never mind any kind of benefit.

                • Angel the Antelope

                  Another one that talks like a 2pence halfpenny book.

                • Well another voice, I think you underestimate guy regarding work or riches, they have worked tirelessly for the poor while bringing up children one of which was ill, worked on and off as they grew up as well as attending university to study for a degree.
                  Guy is rich in many other talents other than making money for millionaires.

                • Cecil is just another tin pot hitler not a lion!

                • He thinks he is Cement Freud – how deluded is that.

    • Yes, can’t we all just get along, if only.

      • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        LOL Poverty Class System in full swing.

      • Hi Enigma

        Yes I rarely come on here to comment…I just subscribe to JV’s blog. Trouble is I occasionally scroll down to the comments and see the same old bile from the same old people under different names STILL attacking OBD just because he supports UBI, which I do too. They just shout him down with abuse. The irony is UBI has more in common with Social Security as was than the conditionality that’s attached to benefits these days. SS was more conditional than UBI. I want UBI. I don’t want conditions attached. Just give me enough to keep warm, housed, eat, and the usual treats. I’m having to fill out a horrendous PIP form. By opposing UBI these people are affecting MY life. If enough people were on board UBI would be nearer to reality. But this is England. England is a right wing, small minded, insular country which is why UBI has gained more traction in Europe…

        • Moggy Paw Lore.

          I’m not sure if you’ve seen this, It may help.

          Disability Rights UK has produced this guide to help you through the claiming process.

          http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/personal-independence-payment-pip

          • Thanks Enigma. I am a member of Benefits&Work site and they have really good guides. But the hoops you have to jump through…it’s taken me weeks. 40 pages they want you to complete and then they use all the nasty tricks in the book to cut people off 😦

            • I know what you mean Moggy.

              This will be of more help.

              Essential information for ESA claims, assessments and appeals.- pip etc.

              https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/1560/

              • Thanks Enigma. I’ve about done it now. I am admin in a benefits group on FB so I know quite a bit but when it comes to your own it’s a different kettle of fish…but it’s kind of relevant to the argument…

                • I am admin in a benefits group on FB – bullshit you are probably one of the job lot.
                  Kitty jones wordpress was always promoted on Vox political Tony Blair’s champion of the labour party, who is also a hypocrite, his brother not so bad.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Of course I am fucking admin on FB in one of those groups and I’ve probably blocked you. I can see the Tory groups that you’re in. I know who Kitty Jones is. I’m able to join up up the dots you see. You carry on abusing people who don’t agree you with you if it makes you feel better and I will carry on campaigning for my the oppressed…

                • Maybe so, but even JV used to promote Sue Marsh’s ‘diary of a benefit scrounger’ lol 😀 We can all be fooled 🙂

                • “campaigning for my[self]…. oops, scrub that… better write the oppressed 😉

                • A definite case of the pen running ahead of the brain cell. And indeed, it is better to “campaign for the oppressed” than to “campaign for my [own interests]” 😉 Sounds a lot better 🙂

                • You mog were the one that came on here and started abusing everyone first, so don’t accuse others when they insult you back you hypocrite!

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  “You mog were the one that came on here and started abusing everyone first, so don’t accuse others when they insult you back you hypocrite!”

                  Nah, nice try. But the insults were flying at OBD long before I came into your pathetic onslaught at him just because he holds different views from you…

                • Does OBD need a moggy with no brain cells to fight for him or can he stop crying long enough to fight for himself.

                  He and his cronies like you (who seem to like rich mates) have done plenty of bullying on here make no mistake about that.

                • here we go again with the childish insults

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  bored now

                • Bored now – Bye then mog.

                • Maria

                  The childish insults are so that you can understand what’s going on.

            • If you are part of a benefits and works site, you are not having much impact if you are still being made to fill in 40 pages to get your money 🙂

              • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                Have you ever been to a jobcentre lyhawks?

                • I am the only person I know who has been arrested for having a sit down protest in the job centre about benefit cuts.
                  Some of us indulge in action which speaks louder than your blubbering words.

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  Yet your not on benefits flyhawk.

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  Get Sharon your wife to make the kids dinner.

              • flyhawks, you are biting yourself to death.
                Please stop.

                • Hey lion ding find another site, something more dramatical would be best for a puppet like you.

                • Ok guy/hawk whatever you are, you carry on, biting the shit out of yourself to your heart’s content. Whatever you type to me will roll off my back without any effect on my equilibrium. All you are doing is raging against yourself with bigoted opinions and hate mongering.

                  None of the people who post on here are responsible for the way your life has turned out. Please consider what Moggy said upthread, that you have fallen into the trap laid since 2010 by the Tories & the media.

                  Divide and rule was made for you guy/hawk. IDS would be delighted to see how you not only rip yourself apart, but attempt to do it to others also.

                  If you turn up anywhere and your opening gambit is to insult anyone taking part in the discussion, then it’s unlikely that you are going to be welcome or attract anything other than rejection. Not because of your political beliefs, but because you are so constantly angry and insulting.

                  You aren’t fooling anyone guy/hawks. Least of all yourself.

                  UBI is a radical & wonderful idea, I hope I live long enough to see it implemented. 🙂

                • Cecil

                  I hope you don’t!

                • Cecil is an equi – LIB – rium , no wonder he is off balance. Don’t ever become a psychiatrist, you obviously don’t know I am as happy as Larry having you lot running around.

                • Cecil The Lion

                  If trying to upset people on the internet because your life is shitty is what entertains you, then your life is emptier than anyone could imagine.

                  You are not happy guy/nell. Your misery and rage can be seen from millions of miles away in deep space like a burning beacon of dysfunction.

                  I pity you.

                  UBI for the win! 🙂

                • UBI as in you bloody imbeciles to lose!

                • Your life might be shitty Cecil but mine certainly isn’t. The world wide web has it all.

                • Yuill see that the worldwide webs are the champions and your gonna see them roar.

              • “f you are part of a benefits and works site, you are not having much impact if you are still being made to fill in 40 pages to get your money”

                Just shot yourself in the foot again. That is the CONDITIONAL benefits system we have now. If we all had a UBI it wouldn’t be a life and death all or nothing situation for disabled people to get what it is entitled to them.

        • If UBI has more in common with the SS that was, why then not just revert back to what was instead of wanting an entirely new system that does not add up and gives handouts to the rich.
          UBI would never be nearer to reality because it is unrealistic.

          • And what these naysayers don’t seem to get, OBD, Enigma and SRSPS is that Social Security was conditional for the poor but some of the benefits were universal and unconditional which meant the rich got them too eg bus passes, family allowance etc. UBI has the beauty of being universal (cheaper to administer and ensuring maximum uptake) AND unconditional. Who would argue against it? Means tested benefits mean that loads of people don’t bother to claim. There are millions that go unclaimed in benefits every year. I would rather that a few toffs get bus passes then a few of the poor miss out because they weren’t universal and unconditional.

            • If anyone believes that UBI would be unconditional they are living in cloud cuckoo land.
              If the rich are few in number as you lot would have us believe then why not just exclude them, because it will only go towards paying their tax bill you intend to charge them.
              I would like to believe that those who did not collect means tested benefits were the rich with a conscience refusing to claim, but it was more than likely those that tried to claim but were refused benefits, thus the unclaimed benefit big lie.
              Bus passes are implemented and funded via local government not central government like jsa, etc.
              Why don’t you go back to your tory heartland Mog you troll, instead of trying to sell us a pig in a poke as a welfare system, which would be grossly unfair, unequal and would not take into account the differentials in income people are receiving now via the benefits system.
              It would not be cheaper to implement either.

              • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                17 Hours non stop on here posting & reading Flyhawks – Going for a record 26 hours in 1 day 24 hours.

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  So you are not happy with Tax Credits & you have to do the washing up & housework. Why tell us about it. Have you cleaned you toilet today !!!

              • If we cannot afford to pay benefits now without austerity how we will be able to fund every man, woman and child universally.
                If these UBI supporters had a brain they would be dangerous, arguing against the old system because it gave to the rich also, then promoting a new system which gives even more to the rich.
                You couldn’t make it up how their mind’s work.

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  Shows you don`t work because you are well off & have all the time spare to get people to commit suicide. Flyhawks your mental health is as low as IDS.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  “Shows you don`t work because you are well off & have all the time spare to get people to commit suicide. Flyhawks your mental health is as low as IDS.”

                  You know things are bad, Razor Sound, when one thing worse than seeing IDS’s fizzog is seeing another post from the troll 😉

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  “If we cannot afford to pay benefits now without austerity how we will be able to fund every man, woman and child universally…”

                  The troll is obviously a merchant banker in both senses of the word! He’s obviously so stupid he doesn’t realize how much the bankers are worth or he is one himself (same thing really). And that’s only one example of obscene money in the hands of a few. There are whole countries that are poorer than some corporates…but obviously that was too much for his dying brain cell…going going…oh look it died!

                • Another Fine Mess

                  If we cannot afford to pay benefits now without austerity how we will be able to fund every man, woman and child universally.

                  Well the people aren’t going away, in fact their numbers increased by 500,000 last year, so how does austerity save money and help its distribution.

                • Is it your money in the bank Mog, or are you planning a bank raid to get it off them, governments like the labour one bail banks out not rob them, you wouldn’t get the chance either.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  The troll is burbling about New Labour now…they are just Tories with red ties. No, Old Labour and proud…

                • Tell that to the gay prider’s they were the ones that got NEW labour elected 3 times.

  64. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    All in a suicide pact !!!

  65. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    The DWP will be going on courses in how to make cups of tea for it`s customers. Since the DWP are calling us customers.

  66. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    No your wrong, no your wrong, no your wrong, no everybody is wrong. – Only took 1 post !!!

  67. First thing, you are saying that BEGGARS and HOMELESS PEOPLE are the same thing. They’re not. These campaigns encourage people not to give to BEGGARS specifically, not homeless people. It is you who is tarnishing homeless people with the same brush.
    Second, you seem to think it’s ok for people to live as street homeless??! You are suggesting you should be complicit in people’s struggles with addiction, because there is nothing else for them?? Professional homelessness charities (not this crack n cider thing, idiots) have teams made up of ex-street homeless people who support people away from the streets. And one of the steps some people take is to enter rehab. But it’s DIFFICULT to leave a lifestyle you’ve become entrenched in behind. If someone hands you a tenner, you may well put off rehab for one more day, and sadly that day could be your last.

    • S14

      I totally agree with your sentiments. When Amy Winehouse died of drug and drink related illnesses the morons were putting bottles of vodka down with the donated flowers outside of her house. Rehab could have saved her.

      On the other hand there are some people who want to live their lives in excess without any interference from others, providing they are not hurting anyone else I think that is their business and should be allowed to live their life as they choose.

      • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        AW was rick.

      • I agree – that people, ultimately, should be able to do whatever they want. But if people with self-destructive behaviour can be given access to an alternative, and supported on to a happy fulfilling life, then surely that’s a good thing. Living street homeless is no life, you have your mates, and whatever you do to get you by, but ultimately, it’s dangerous and stressful and most people would prefer to live a more stable life, given the chance. Outreach workers sometimes spend years just waiting for someone to one day say ‘I’ve had enough, what am I doing’ and when they do, they will be supported.

  68. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Welfare Reforms means thousands of people will become homeless. Sanctions are a ticket to homelessness. Welfare Reform is about managing your life better, so why not start at the bottom by being homeless. Good training in life to make you work harder when you get a job. If you have not got housing you can`t get a job or benefits. Making a mockery with real people`s lives as entertainment for targets & board room meetings with the bosses who also bully the staff like they run the mafia. All in order thinking scrapping legal aid will fix the poverty problem.

  69. Sorry, just wanted to say – Johnny Void, this bit is just plain wrong – “It is the presumption that homeless people cannot be trusted to be actors in their own lives that reveals the flaws embedded within charity. To make a decision about what someone needs, whilst ignoring what they tell you they need, makes giving all about the giver not the receiver. Charity becomes a way for people to feel better about themselves…” You are pointing out the flaws embedded in ‘everyday charity’ by members of the public (giving someone a coat etc) which I agree – many people do this to make themselves feel better. There are situations where a homeless person has said no to what is actually their 42nd hot chocolate of the day, and the person offering it has gone off on a ‘you ungrateful shit, take what you can get’ rant. And some of the larger homelessness charities, who don’t directly work with street homeless people, are guilty of this too (telling homeless people what they want, not listening to them). But direct service delivery organisations take user involvement very seriously – at the end of the day, you can’t MAKE anyone turn their lives around, homeless people absolutely have to be actors in their own lives. They also absolutely need to be given advice and support when they are making self-destructive choices. And, believe it or not, homeless people do actually ask for this support!! These ideas haven’t just been plucked out of the air from up on high. They come from real experience and listening to homeless people. Don’t pick your fight with the service-delivery charities, you’re just shooting the whole thing in the foot 😦

    • overburdenddonkey

      shall i ignore the above common place ignorance moggy and sib, or post to impart my knowledge…it seems like an uphill struggle…perhaps i should just say to the poster ‘you’re talking bollocks’ and leave it @ that, and not explain why…

      • OBD's Imaginary Troll

        obd
        You are talking bollocks 😀

      • Hi OBD
        I’d ignore it…energy is best spent on working with the open-minded..not the bigoted. There are enough counter comments…it does my head in trying to find posts on Word Press.

        Anyway, in the meantime, thought you might be interested in this re UBI:

        note all the left wing parties in Europe are seriously going for it 🙂

        http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=d16fcf029571aab3da6d0a3a4&id=2c38fa842c&e=1a9c8921ed

        Article entitled: ‘We Don’t Have Freedom without Basic Income’
        Conference 20 – 21 November Budapest

        • overburdenddonkey

          moggy
          good news and we’re also discussing the elephant in the room….

        • Looks like you are all off to Europe then for good I hope!

        • by ignorant and bigoted… does that mean someone with knowledge and experience of the sector, facts to back up informed opinions, and an openness to other people’s points of view? And not being open-minded… does that mean anyone who doesn’t precisely subscribe to your point of view?! Seems the opposite of open-minded to me! These comments are ridiculous, several of you are immediately lampooning any attempt at a discussion which draws from both sides of the coin!
          Bye bye this blog is a waste of time 😦 (sorry to those of you who are actually able to have a conversation, there’s just far too many close-minded ignorant bigots on here who are completely uninterested in actually broadening their understanding of something they pretend to care so much about)

          • overburdenddonkey

            s14
            well actually i’m a victim of CSA/CA and know what it’s like to suffer it’s profound, potentially lifetime, affects and HEAL from it’s affects…
            see the work of dr bob johnson for example….

      • You decide OBD, I personally wouldn’t bother trying to convince those whose minds are obviously made up. Replying that the poster is talking bollocks could be the best response because at the very least it leaves things open to them coming back and asking for your advice when they do indeed discover for themselves what you already know.

        It’s a bit like providing advice; which is only really welcomed when it is sought, rather than provided unasked for, which can lead to resentment.

        • overburdenddonkey

          sib
          my concern is to counter their ignorance and learn from them if possible, as their mo/agendas are tory/right wing…which IS what we’re generally up against but yes this can become counter productive possibly only in the short term though, as they draw on into their BS…

          • overburdenddonkey

            ps sib re-edit
            my concern is to counter their ignorance and learn from them if possible, as their mo/agendas are tory/right wing…which IS what we’re generally up against but yes this can become counter productive,as they draw on into their BS…imv only in the short term though, we live and learn….

    • Homeless people need homes. Period. That’s regardless whether they are addicts, anti-social or just poor. It really doesn’t matter.

      Sure, it can be argued that violent, antisocial people need to live in more supervised communities which better cater to their needs & safety of others. Which still means that they need homes, albeit homes with more security & mental health services.

      When we sleep rough or worse, get raped, abused or beaten as a result of sleeping rough, then we are most likely to end up drinking, taking drugs or both. We do that out of survival, to keep ourselves warm & numb our pain. This is how evictions cause addictions. Not to mention what homelessness does to our mental health.

      Hence it’s pointless in arguing about “turning addicts’ lives around” before rehousing them, S14. Because no treatment will ever be effective if a person lives on the street or is in danger of eviction.

      • 100% agree, accommodation must be found before people can address problems with addiction. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. People should be homed – the way they get homed is through accessing front-line homelessness services.

        • No, the way they get homed is through us maintaining & building more council flats & specialised accommodation for people with extra needs i.e. violent, anti-social people or severe drug users.

          Front-line homeless services are meant to assist vulnerable people into housing but if there are no houses left then there is nothing they can do.

          Cue in pointless & patronising taxpayer funded schemes which shift the blame for homelessness back on the homeless. Such as an expectation of drug addicts to get clean, look for jobs & cash declined by well off do-gooders handing them jackets… And they are expected to do all this whilst still sleeping rough!

          Say it loud – it doesn’t matter if homeless people are drug addicts, anti-social or just poor. What they need are homes, not self improvement lectures!

          • overburdenddonkey

            yep p r, people need sanctuary not lectures….see the work of dr bob johnson for cure….

          • Plebrise

            Who do you think you are, according to you and your cronies anyone who doesn’t agree with your nutcase community thinking is anti social or violent and needs specialist treatment and housing – the Nazi will never be dead while you are alive you lunatic.

  70. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    People forced into homelessness also don`t want to be part of the system. Their choice in being homeless Still have choices unlike the system where there are no choices just a LIMA Tick Box system.

    • Razor Step Sound Plating System

      Homeless people have choice to fly to the Moon and back on pushy bike made from empty cider bottles. Homeless people make choice to drink space rockets and become homeless. Disabled people have no choice to make Interstellar voyage on Lima cake.

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      Another of my stupid Alto Egos !!!

  71. OT: Behavioural Modification of subjects including using drugs to do so and the need for it

    [H-T Refuted]

    Saw on Refuted Twitter feed there’s a Poor are to blame for thinking being poor book titled: “The Welfare Trait – How State Benefits Affect Personality” by a Dr Adam Perkins. Normally I’d take no notice but reading his research interests shows the following: “My research strategies include measuring the effects of anti-anxiety drugs” and “associations between personality questionnaire scores and patterning of human defensive behaviour.”

    So to summarize, according to him if you’re poor you’ll will pass onto your children the poor mindset/’disease’ of beingpoor, and by advocating drugs you know what he wants to do to correct it…

    He’s even put up a article to justify his claims at :

    https://theconversation.com/state-benefits-negatively-affect-personality-heres-how-49789

    The 2nd to last Paragraphs illustrate the illogic and outright lie of his whole argument:

    “These problems have been addressed by studies in the US and UK that explored the causal links through follow-up interviews with people who claimed welfare. They found that claimants used less contraception when there were increases in the amount of benefits available and the number of children born to welfare claimants rose by 1% for every 3% rise in benefit generosity.”

    So due to being unemployed I and other male unemployed men take “less contraception”.

    Yes, interesting Assumption: Men take contraception. Further another Assumption is: Men take less contraception

    So he uses pregnancies to justify his conclusion. I am sure I along with every other unemployed man can see the connection.

    Really?

    How long before the Tory Press is trumpeting this rubbish? I can see the headlines now Newsflash: “Tidal wave of pregnant men bankrupting the benefits system!”

  72. Guess we will all just have to wait until JV writes an article on UBI – “UBI – the best thing since sliced bread” or “UBI – a crock of fucking shite”, then we can all happily go along with it 😀 Until then we will never really know the truth about UBI

  73. Guess we will all just have to wait until JV writes an article on UBI – “UBI – the best thing since sliced bread” or “UBI – a crock of fucking shite”, then we can all happily go along with it 😀 Until then we will never really know the truth about UBI 🙂

  74. Another Fine Mess

    Unemployment down by 103,000, that’s what happens when you count 4 days CWP as 2 months of ’employment’.

  75. Sadly England is a Land of Racist Boneheads and is Insular and Ignorantsular

    Too much Neo Liberalism too little Human Decency

    Moggy Paw Lore | November 10, 2015 at 8:22 pm | Reply

    Hi Enigma

    Yes I rarely come on here to comment…I just subscribe to JV’s blog. Trouble is I occasionally scroll down to the comments and see the same old bile from the same old people under different names STILL attacking OBD just because he supports UBI, which I do too. They just shout him down with abuse. The irony is UBI has more in common with Social Security as was than the conditionality that’s attached to benefits these days. SS was more conditional than UBI. I want UBI. I don’t want conditions attached. Just give me enough to keep warm, housed, eat, and the usual treats. I’m having to fill out a horrendous PIP form. By opposing UBI these people are affecting MY life. If enough people were on board UBI would be nearer to reality. But this is England. England is a right wing, small minded, insular country which is why UBI has gained more traction in Europe…

    • “Sadly England is a Land of Racist Boneheads and is Insular and Ignorantsular

      Too much Neo Liberalism too little Human Decency”

      Spot on, Nooppression

  76. Now that Remembrance Day 2 Minute Silence is Over and People have
    Worn the Poppy What will be Done to House Homeless Veterans and
    Help them Out

    David Clapson was Not Exactly Helped by Nutcase Austerity

    • Money Saving Expert

      Money Saving Tip:

      Don’t got buying a new poppy every year. Put your poppy away somewhere safe and wear it again next year, and the year after…

  77. Equally Christmas whilst the Materialistic Middle Class will be Bragging
    about what Presents they are Buying and Receiving I have More
    Sympathy with the Homeless and Destitute of this Neo Liberal Slavery
    State

  78. Yes to Real Human Rights No to ConformaSlaves

  79. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    It is not about UBI it is about suicide. Who wants to commit suicide. Lets have a vote on who is seeing suicide as entertainment.

  80. overburdenddonkey

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-stitch-up/
    contempt of WM has plunged to new lows….

  81. Another Fine Mess

    A new report suggests that the marriage of AI and robotics could replace so many jobs that the era of mass employment could come to an end
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/07/artificial-intelligence-homo-sapiens-split-handful-gods

    Time to bring in a UBI. 🙂

    • overburdenddonkey

      afm
      juxtapose; or do we need more charity…. verdict; grim 😦

    • Tory Toff Pretending They Are On The Side Of The Downtrodden And Oppressed

      Hear, hear! Big thumbs up to a UBI 🙂

    • Another Fine Mess

      The era of mass employment is already over and has been for some time.
      What exactly is all this ‘work’ that people are supposed to be doing

      Moving junk around in a charity shop ?
      Setting up as a provider/parasite of welfare to nowork services and living of hard-working tax-payer funded grants ?
      Working in a recycling plant ?
      Shelf-stacking for B&M for social security payments ?
      Steel making ?

      If someone could tell us what/where all this work is we then could all go and just do it for a wage, but they wont will they, strange that.

      IKTABTW

  82. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Lets stick all the disabled in the Army on the front line – That`s what happens in a real war.

  83. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Recession Recession Recession it`s all heading for another recession & no one can stop it. BAIL OUT. Burn all the books !!!

  84. Pingback: With Hipster Friends Like @crackandcider Homeless People Don’t Need Enemies | colcestrian

  85. ‘Sarah is single and lives in a council flat. She is on JSA and is responsible for her own bills. Sarah would be worst off under UBI.’

    You sure about that, Voice?

    It depends on how much a UBI would be set at and if it had housing elements. Nobody has said that you couldn’t top up on UBI. The key word is basic. That means the very minimum as I understand it.

    How old is Sarah? If she is under 25 she will get some crappy amount of £50 on JSA (plus housing benefit). But and this is a big but…under JSA she is under constant threat of sanctions from JC staff who have targets and who are looking for pathetic reasons to sanction people. She is living in fear because the maths don’t add up…there are only half a million job vacancies at any one time and two and half million people plus unemployed (excluding the disabled and those who are already on a sanction to massage the unemployment figs).

    Now Universal Credit or Universal Chaos as I prefer to call it, was a lost opportunity. If it was unconditional it might have had been a good idea, marrying the idea of the old SS system with some elements of UBI. It started out as a basic income for working age adults with housing and disabled elements, so far so good. But then it was put into the hands of IDS who bastardised it so much that someone on it stands to lose all. Even their housing element can be sanctioned. So it is not universal and should ditch that part of its name and it is not unconditional.

    • This country is living on debt, anyone with any wealth has it neatly tucked away in some offshore account, big retailers have their businesses in their wives names then leave them lounging on the family yacht outside of some principality to avoid paying taxes in uk.
      Rock stars like Rod Stewart go and live in America to avoid paying high taxes, their is less and less people in work to pay taxes even to keep the public services going and mog thinks she is going to find enough money to pay UBI to all – well good luck with that one.

      • Could someone tell the Troll I’m not going to pay UBI personally – it is for more intelligent men and women than he will ever be to work it out. Not that it requires much intelligence. Was he so stuck on his trolling back in 2008 that he missed the crash? Does he not understand that The Establishment has deliberately put us ‘in debt’? That the Tories have increased the debt even more than NL? That there’s an alternative to anti-austerity? Nah, too much for his addled brain cell!

        • If you know there is an alternative to anti-austerity then let’s hear it so long as it is not UBI which you haven’t got clue how to fund.

          The crash now wasn’t that something to do with sub prima donna’s borrowing from the banks and two prima donna’s in the name of Blair and Brown bailing them out, I’m sure the sub normal prima donna with no brain cells will have some kind of answer.

          • overburdenddonkey

            fly
            NO! it was caused by successive govts transferring debt to the people rather than govts holding debt…

          • Ah I know who the troll is now – he’s a bot. IDS’s bot-tom!

            • overburdenddonkey

              moggy
              i bet he gets very confused in the mornings…

              • Yes OBD – very confused…flyweight, lightweight, couldn’t give a flying one!

                • “Flyweight, lightweight, couldn’t give a flying one”? Don’t bet on that!

                • I managed to fuck you lot right off!

                • Flyhawks its never you that’s wrong is it, your always right, it must be everybody else that’s wrong, your ruining a perfectly good blog, were people are trying to post in peace, you bully OBD and that is sickening behaviour, you just want the world your way, so you win, doesn’t matter about anyone else, you would trample over anyone to get what you want. Stop ask OBD the same question over and over and demanding him to answer it as if he never did. People on here have tried to help you, but as usual you always know best. You just a selfish child, who probably either used to be better off and fell on hard times or that you have always been in poverty and rather than count your blessing and accept a system that gives you all you need to live your life but without the frills, you became sour and embittered by everyone who didn’t agree with you. Grow up.

                • Moggy Paw Lore

                  Maria – fly/guy/hawk/nell/kitty – it’s a troll, that’s why it doesn’t admit it’s wrong. It is going to feel such an idiot one day when it realizes the difference between Universal Chaos which and Unconditional Basic Income which was mooted years ago by the Green Party (called the Basic Income Scheme). Picture it 20 years hence when some in Europe are getting their unconditional income and they can work or not work on top and the troll is still lying in his cradle pooping out his crap I WANT SOCIAL SECURITY LIKE IT WAS WITH CONDITIONS AND ALL THE REST OF IT – spits dummy out, shits in the face of the hand that gives.
                  Sorry, I am going to have to unsubscribe from this thread soon because the number of comments means it’s taken too long to load but solidarity with you UBI peeps all the way. As for the IDS’s bot it can get to the FB page and further ask question but it won’t because that would mean being civil!

                  I can’t reload every time so will just put it all in this post. Kitty Cat was banned because of its anti-semitism and since the resident troll said he last last remembered a discussion about the subject I can only assume it is the same person. He accuses me of being people I’ve only just met and you of all being part of the one, but this is because this is what she/he/it does!

                  Razor – the troll said to you “you are the spiteful ones who slander anyone with a different viewpoint, you are all terrified you might learn something that would do you some good” – this is classic Freudian projection. If you – we offered him a hand of friendship he’d run a mile. He only exists to be a troll is incapable of being the bigger person!

                  Razor – “How sad you must feel all by yourself because you are spending all your time here getting your jollys off the suffering you feel inside of no one takes you seriously. Sad sad little person who can only communicate with threats & insults”

                  So true – beyond sad…

                  Right, solidarity to all those who can join in intelligent debate without resorting to bile (mine is satire of course and that is perfectly acceptable) and see you on another thread! You’ve all made your point eloquently (when you weren’t being reduced to the level of the lowest common denominator…if you’ve got to keep repeating something and it doesn’t go in, says more about the receiver)

                  If IDS’s bottom sprays any more I won’t see it or be covered in its pong because I’m unsubscribing from this thread!

                  TTFN

                • overburdenddonkey

                  fly
                  actually no! you managed to get European Unconditional Basic Income, unity and trolls discussed…but you cite as your memorable achievement as managing to goad, snipe and wind people up…how sad and pathetic is that…

                • Do you know your trouble obd you have no sense of humour, you are full of something but it ain’t luck as megan trainor would say.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  oh dear making excuses, for your rudeness towards me and others now…!? ie blaming the victims…’it’s all your fault because of this that and the other….’ ‘you should have known what i was doing or meant’ etc etc…

                • EXCUSES! NEVER! I have nothing to excuse.

                • Hey Maria

                  I have never asked for help from any of you twats because there is nothing I cannot do for myself unless you think you know otherwise. Obd is the demanding thug then turns wimp when challenged.

                  You are just a thick shit who pretends to have sympathy for this that and the other, if you need to telegraph what you do for others, then you must be worried it is going unnoticed.

                  You have dominated the site with talk of bloody food and how to cook it, I bet you take photo’s of what you are eating and drinking too.

                • you know nothing about anyone on here you are such a bad judge of character, if you think you are upsetting me with your insults, you are not because I know better. Only somebody sick makes sport out and enjoys insulting people, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. I’m so glad I am not like you. Others are right, you are empty, there is nothing inside of you but bile.

                • Maria there is nothing inside of you full stop, other than tripe, you are as dumb and as dumbfounded as the rest of your group who haven’t got a clue about character assessment either and have to gravitate to one another to have people believe they have something worth saying.

            • Give mad Maria an Oscar. Maybe’s a pistorious like herself and a bathroom for her to lock herself in.

    • overburdenddonkey

      moggy
      the truth is that donkey has been struggling with illness and undiagnosed diabetes complications et al for yrs, subsequently had to sell what little i had off to survive and been homeless….and this info has been posted before….

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    • “DWP PUSH FUNERAL DIRECTORS PROFITS TO AN OBSCENE HIGH”

      Whilst attending a funeral a few days back (NOT MY OWN), Judge DAVID WILLIAMS is working on that, i was astounded to hear that the funeral industry was making record profits from DWP recommendations………..

      Strange how many claimants that were assessed as, “FIT FOR WORK”, were dying in droves.
      The guy in the black frock coat, the funeral director, advised me that the trending had reached fever pitch and the bodies were becoming an embarrassment.

      “Some of the lads take them home and keep them in the garage”, i was told.
      Another had them hidden between rows of vegetables draped in plastic sheeting.

      The funeral parlours are in meltdown, the joint operation between the Freedom of Information Czar and the bedpan washers dressed as nurses for Disability Denial, have spiked our profits by over 300%…………

      If the DWP have admitted to killing just 2380, what must the true figure be?

      ATOS and MAximus are just the slimeballs that execute the murders on behalf of the DWP. (EXECUTE, WHAT AN APT WORD TO USE IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR SOCIAL SECURITY ENABLERS), however they distance themselves from the deaths, the smell follows them everywhere.

      Even the EU Human Rights inspectors are intrigued why so many unhealthy people were awarded zero points, let alone all the healthy ones dropping like flies soon after appraisal……………….

      No wonder gas stocks over the winter period are in doubt, the fallout from the DWP will be putting pressure on the crematoriums to run double shifts or place two together for cost effectiveness.

      I know it’s not nice to quote crematoriums because it brings back memories of all the truly evil incidents that the Nazis did to over six million during the past, yet those times are now in the distant past, surely?

      Even Eichmann, did not attract as many signatures of disapproval as Dunko the Clown, yet Eichmann murdered with more compassion, the victims were not sent brown envelopes to exacerbate their suffering, the zyklon B gas more humane……………………

      Incidentally, a judge in the good old US of A, has just passed a death sentence on a white supremecist for killing three people. Dunko the Clowns arm could not accomodate all the syringes of lethal injection for his crimes……………..

      ………..But the funeral directors are on bonus payments.

  88. Trolls who are upsetting obd and the rest of us kind and good posters should be reported to jv and banned for life.

    • And that includes you flyfawke or whatever stupid name you are calling yourself today.

    • You are just a menace the way you come on here threatening us good posters, making us all upset and reducing us to tears. Shame on you!

      • Now why didn’t I think of the name flyfawkes, thanks pariah I am a little bit fly when outnumbered.

        • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

          @Flyhawk -Please stop spreading your mental health problem onto everyone else. Notice I say please.

      • Not much of a pariah if you are in floods of tears are you?

        • You are nowt but a big bully. guy! You come on here with your big words and fancy talk making out that folks who don’t have fancy university degrees are stupid and all. You only want to upset us good folks. obd is when they say you need help. Hope JV bans you for once and all.

          • I think you are the one’s that need help constantly shouting for jv to ban me, you can’t stand the competition.
            Not that I am competing other than to be my usual self, which for some reason has others trying to compete with me.

            • You are a really sad person flyfawkes. You are not going to drag us down to your level with your shouting and bawling. Just cos you know how to insult people doesn’t mean you are smart. It just means you are a stupid person with nothing but bile inside that stupid head of yours. What good things do you ever do for people, flyfawkes? I do good things for other people all the time and I am sure OBD and all the other good posters on here to do. You should seek help for your anger. You have a really nasty temper.

              • pariah are you maria’s parrot, you seem to be repeating everything she says and you make out I am the only one who posts under different names. I have a reason for posting under a different name, you don’t except to sneakily try to make out you have more supporters than you really do have.
                You all need help, you lot are the nutcases.

    • Yep, pariah. It’s only one saddo troll though…with several sock puppet accounts

  89. A BALLAD TO JUDGE MARK ROWLAND AND JUDGE DAVID WILLIAMS.

    THE COFFINS KEEP ON COMING,
    ATOS DID IT’S BEST,
    TO CHEAT OUR WEAK DISABLED,
    AND LAY THEM DOWN TO REST.

    YET WORKS AND PENSIONS WORKERS,
    APPLIED THE CLAIMANT CUTS,
    AND PRETEND THE DEATHS AREN’T HAPPENING,
    AND SHOW THEIR LACK OF GUTS.

    YET MURDER IS A CRIME,
    WE’VE SEEN THEM ALL COMMIT,
    ON THE FRAILEST IN SOCIETY,
    THEY UNLEASHED THEIR EVIL SHIT.

    KEEP LOOKING RIGHT BEHIND YOU,
    YOUR SINS WON’T GO AWAY,
    CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY,
    FOREVER HERE TO STAY.

    WE ONLY FOLLOWED ORDERS,
    IS NO EXCUSE TO KILL.
    TAKING LIVES AT RANDOM,
    TO EASE THE WELFARE BILL.

    STEALING FROM THE WEAKEST,
    THOSE LEAST ABLE TO SHOUT OUT,
    TO PAVE THE WAY FOR MILLIONNAIRES,
    CONSERVATIVES WITH CLOUT.

    THE NOOSE OF TRUTH IS TIGHTENING,
    THUS, ONLY TIME WILL TELL
    TO CHOKE THE LIFEBLOOD FROM YOU,
    FOR THOSE, YOU DAMNED TO HELL………….

    • Dunko the Clown is spending his christmas at home, the big top, with all the other clowns who provide him with gags.

      For instance, Lord David Freud, the failed banker, an apparent wanker, who fucked up everything he touched.

      The only person with zero medical knowledge and an inbred hatred of disabled that was asked to formulate opinion on welfare reforms on the weakest in society. Rather like Hitler giving an opinion on fitting showers!

      …………YOU KEEP KILLING THEM AND WE WILL KEEP BURYING THEM UNTIL YOUR DIRTY, EVIL, FETID REGIME, STARTS TO ATTRACT MORE UNWANTED PUBLICITY.

    • Geoff – that is very good and clear and to the point.
      The noose is tightening on all of them – slowly but surely it will I am sure catch up with them – one day their charmed rich lives and their luck will finally run out – just like an old style sand egg-timer.

      • paultheswineherd

        Geoff – The ‘Ian Duncan Smiths’ band should ask you whether they could take these lyrics and record it in their own individual way! – I think that it would work quite well!

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    Flyhawk works for Maximus. In Fool Traitor.

  91. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    IDS vs MAXIMUS [round 1]
    MAXIMUS Vs IDS [round 2]

    IDS Vs ATOS [round 456]
    ATOS Vs IDS [round 457]

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    Time to slander MAXIMUS that will get IDS off his lazy arse.

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      Maximus want a pay off IDS !!!

      • MAXIMUS were asked to tender for the holocaust but ATOS delivered the winning tender………………
        But these companies are totally irrelevant because the DWP are ultimately responsible for the huge swathes of deaths, the judges like ROWLAND AND WILLIAMS, culpable……..

        • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

          It`s the DWP`s responsibility but don`t want to know. The only way IDS wants to know is if ATOS & MAXIMUS are shown for what they are – Disability Deniers Since Atos & maximus have closed ranks with puppet master Chris Grayling it is a embedded political disaster. As Chris has a vested interest & so do the DWP.

        • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

          = No country borders in business working with Atso French Maximus USA. So they can`t be touched. The DWP with vested interest also jump on the international bandwagon & the DWP say they have no responsibility over the DWP in the uk. In fact the UK gov are not taking ANY responsibility whatsoever with hiding behind French ATOS & USA Maximus.

  93. Maximus? Surely you’ve meant MaximARSE 😉

  94. Dear Phillip Jones,

    Thank you for your Freedom of Information request received on 29 August 2015. Please
    accept our apologies for the delay in responding.
    You asked:

    “The number of people sanctioned for the calander year, 2013.

    Of the number of people sanctioned in 2013, how many:

    a) died within 0 to 3 months after being sanctioned.
    b) died within 3 to 6 months after being sanctioned.
    c) died within 6 to 12 months after being sanctioned.”

    It is not possible to make a causal link between a person’s death and their benefit claim.

    In answer to your request as a whole, we can confirm that the Department does hold some
    information falling within the description specified in your request. However, we estimate that
    the cost of complying with your request would exceed the appropriate limit of £600.
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/288906/response/730860/attach/html/3/FOI%202015%203671%20Response.pdf.html

    • “THERE IS NO CAUSAL LINK”

      https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/publications/michael-osullivan/.

      PART 31.

      A decision that a claimant does not have Limited Capability for work, or Limited Capability for Work Related Activity, is colloquially referred to as a decision that the claimant is “FIT FOR WORK”. However, what this actually means is that the claimant does not meet the functional descriptors set out in the ESA Regulations for LCA or LCWRA.
      IT DOES NOT REPRESENT A FINDING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE CLAIMANT IS EMPLOYABLE OR WHETHER THE CLAIMANT WILL BE ABLE TO FIND WORK.
      ..

      …….PURE UNADULTERATED CLAPTRAP FROM THE DWP TO TRY AND ESCAPE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THOSE THEY HAVE KILLED.

  95. The troll is homophobic too, surprise surprise!

  96. That is your last bastion of political correctness you have to throw at me miss sub normal prima donna.

  97. Anyway I thought you were ignoring the so called trolls, even though you are the biggest one on here dead moggy.

  98. It shouldn’t be too long before DUNKO THE CLOWN is made to fall on his own sword.
    The Dwp are embarrassed, the tories embarrassed and the huge petition a thumbs down to the greatest fool in modern politics.

    Sadly, he will be made to take the flak, the fall guy for those feeding him with hate propaganda against the weakest, the likes of Lord Fraud.

    The government will announce his leaving at about the same time that the UN Inspectors publish their findings. He will leave his position with a golden handshake and be made to sign an agreement that will bind him from making any attacks, verbal or otherwise, against his former employee, the Dwp.

    Never has a scapegoat come at such an important time to the Conservative government.

    Iain Duncan Smith, a patsy in waiting……………….

    A name synonymous with claimant deaths, unprecedented suicides and a history of lying…………

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    IDS is suicidal & will try & take the whole Tory down with him. Now there`s an idea – No one is fit to govern the country.

  100. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    IDS your ideas are being nicked by your bosses. What a personal attack on IDS.

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    IDS spill the beans !!!

  102. The real issue here should not just be about whether IDS will resign or not but more about the collective Tory governmental policy of pure hate orchestrated against thousands of working class people in the UK. Remember, IDS is just a cog in the Tory machine of mass murder. If IDS goes he will be simply replaced by another Nazi cunt.

  103. Stepping & Geoff – The demise of this IDS psychopathic bastard cannot come soon enough. I hope that he does fall on his own sword (and also tells his many dirty secrets about the rest of the Tory scum) – but not before he answers for all of his cruelty and murderous lawbreaking and a date is finally set for his first day in Court.
    I suspect though that you may be right Geoff – (in the paragraph beginning – “The Government will announce”) – they are all past masters at covering everything up and their media friends, will no doubt ‘support’ them all of the way. Just like they tried to cover up the ‘bad news’ of an ‘increase in unemployment’ today – twisting it into the ‘good news’ that employment has increased. They are all lying twats and again I say that I would love to see Rupert Murdoch in the dock for his empire’s lies and complicity with a Government that has dealt out so much shit (with perhaps even more to come!) to totally undeserving people. Murdoch has so much to answer for.
    Meanwhile (as if they havent done enough damage already to the working poor, the sick and the disabled – Sky has announced that to help send back ‘failed asylum seekers’ they are going to give £2.1m into a special European fund and a further £200m to African Countries to help prevent poverty (which leads to asylum seekers/refugees in the first place).
    I personally have no problem with sending any of these back – but why should we have to pay for it once again. Time after time this happens and there is no-one who seem to be able to stop Cameron & his bum-boy pals.
    Our people can starve and die under a despicable and cruel sanctions regime – while they continue to give millions of pounds to ‘other countries’ – it beggars belief and is totally unacceptable. Again, where is the ‘Tax Payers Alliance’ to answer much needed questions about all of this?

    • It made my day Paul, when BLAIR was exposed as shagging Murdochs ex oriental wife. His secret trysts and rendevous with the hardfaced wife of the same man who allowed BLAIR to be the godfather of his own child.

      BLAIR made MURDOCH look an absolute fool and darling Cherie was a mug for having him back after all the revelations came out.

      Blair even borrowed a friends ranch to carry out his secret hokey pokey at the same time Cherie was filling her pockets as a barrister in the law courts.
      The timing was perfect, Tony was up to his bollocks in Wendy while Cherie was knee deep in paperwork at the bar………….

      No wonder the Chilcott report is long awaited, while our service personnel were getting their limbs blown off, Blair had his hand in his old friends glory hole………………

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    All the old leaders are coming out with problems with tax credits & are putting pressure to delay the tax credit because it will damage votes. A Tory leadership challenge to save the Tories !!!

    • You can fuck around with statistics till the cows come home but the truth manifests itself in mysterious ways, like Carney not seeing a rate rise in the forseeable future and Sainsbury posting an !8% loss.

      Britain is heading into a huge recession while the Conservatives arrange deckchairs on the Titanic.

      Our poorest and infirm paying for their gross ineptitude while Dunko tries to bury the backlash.

      Iceland punishes it’s failed bankers but the British bulldog spirit is to use our money to bail them out, issue them with knighthoods and then sell the bailed out banks back to the majority shareholders, us…………..

      I cannot think of one improvement that the Tories have done for the mister average, they take your eyes and come back for the sockets.

      The overseas tax havens are bursting at the seems with the ill gotten gains of corporate greed whilst cancer sufferers are forced into work, no morals, no scruples, the government are devoid of any feelings other than dancing of the graves of those they fuck at every corner,

  105. Indeed Valid Point another Nazi C Word .

    Ian Duncan Smith should of Resigned Years Ago and Equally
    Austerity should of been Ended Years Ago

    Twating Thatcher | November 11, 2015 at 10:31 pm | Reply

    The real issue here should not just be about whether IDS will resign or not but more about the collective Tory governmental policy of pure hate orchestrated against thousands of working class people in the UK. Remember, IDS is just a cog in the Tory machine of mass murder. If IDS goes he will be simply replaced by another Nazi cunt.

  106. Notice that Petition For The Resignation of Ian Duncan Smith as Secretary of State For Work and Pensions Now has over 114,815 Signatures

    Thatcher is an Embodiment of Evil and Neo Liberalism is Glorified Slavery.

    No to the Blue Slave Labour Austerity Stooges of the Parliamentary Labour Party as Well.

    Corbyn Needs some Backbone to Defeat the Blue Slave Labour Austerity Stooges of the Parliamentary Labour Party

  107. Austerity a factor in rising suicide rate among UK men – study & the rest of the world.

    1,000 extra deaths and an additional 30-40,000 suicide attempts may have occurred after the economic downturn, according to research.

    Sanctions, assessments, ………………..

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/nov/12/austerity-a-factor-in-rising-suicide-rate-among-uk-men-study

  108. He couldn’t win a race without his mates pushing him or a fleet of taxi’s behind him.

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    Companies fear employing people with learning disabilities, survey reveals

    Many employers are nervous about how customers and staff will interact with people with learning disabilities

    Guardian – 10th Nov 2015

    The government wants more people with disabilities working. In a recent speech, the work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith said he aims to halve the employment gap between disabled and non-disabled people, and criticised businesses for failing to provide enough opportunities.

    Yet a new survey by the charity Mencap reveals that many employers remain uneasy about the role they are expected to play in closing the gap. Only 16% of UK employers felt confident that the disability employment gap would be halved.

    The survey also reveals nervousness about how customers and staff might interact with people with learning disabilities, a group still facing considerable exclusion.

    Read More:
    http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/nov/10/companies-fear-employing-people-learning-disabilities-survey-reveals-mencap-ian-duncan-smith

  110. I Hope the Homeless are Housed Not only over Christmas but the
    Rest of the Year

    A Place of Residence a Basic Human Right

    GEOFF REYNOLDS | November 11, 2015 at 5:15 pm | Reply

    Dunko the Clown is spending his christmas at home, the big top, with all the other clowns who provide him with gags.

    For instance, Lord David Freud, the failed banker, an apparent wanker, who fucked up everything he touched.

    The only person with zero medical knowledge and an inbred hatred of disabled that was asked to formulate opinion on welfare reforms on the weakest in society. Rather like Hitler giving an opinion on fitting showers!

    …………YOU KEEP KILLING THEM AND WE WILL KEEP BURYING THEM UNTIL YOUR DIRTY, EVIL, FETID REGIME, STARTS TO ATTRACT MORE UNWANTED PUBLICITY.

  111. Defend Political and Religious Freedom of Speech No to So Called
    ” Extremist Disruption Orders ” and this Country being a Tinpot Tory
    Tyrant Dictatorship

  112. House the Homeless A Place of Residence is a Basic Human Right

    Tax the Rich Hands Off the Poor

    Social Justice Not Slavery

    Down with Thatcherism and Yes to Social Justice

  113. George Osborne is Probably the Worst Chancellor of the Exchequer in
    British History and Certainly he should Resign

    No Tax Breaks for Millionaires Increase Welfare Spending and Hands
    Off the Poor

  114. Remembrance Day Patriotism Verses Glorification of Wars of Aggression such as Against Iraq .

    Remembering the War Dead in a Dignified Manner is Not Wrong in itself but Glorification of Wars of Aggression such as Against Iraq and Afghanistan as Well as Trying to Brush under the Carpet the Brutal Savagery of the Fighting in the Trenches and the Conditions in the Trenches as Well as the Effect that the Hell of the Trenches had upon many Surviving Soldiers is Morally Wrong .

    More Important than Red Poppies is Housing Homeless War Veterans and Giving them Support where Needed .

    • overburdenddonkey

      noop demand a UBI
      now you might discover the roots causes of our obedience to others, and start to express them in your posts….

      • There he goes again every opportunity to push UBI as in Universal basic income which he is trying to change to unconditional basic income lol.

        • overburdenddonkey

          fly have you this handy link…. ‘European Citizens’ Initiative
          for an Unconditional Basic Income’ http://basicincome2013.eu/en/index.html sorry it has quite a few long words i’m sure teacher will help you with them….

          • By obd they have got to work quick and altered that wording.
            I won’t follow the link it would look like I was interested in it as a viable alternative to a welfare state for the poor not the rich.
            I do have English A level do you?

            • overburdenddonkey

              i get it you failed to understand the link, and made a complete pratt of yourself…how embarrassing for you…

              • I didn’t read it – but it must have the word unconditional neatly embedded in there now.
                Some old lecturer came on here years ago trying to flog UBI which was not UC which I did read and nowhere did it state unconditional, he was Zac Goldsmiths pal along with other tories and I argued with him over it then.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  a sincere apology won’t go amiss then would it…??

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ps and obviously i mean that YOU should apologize to this blog…!

                • Yes OBD I agree and you should apologize to Johnny for making a mess of his blog.

                • Are you crazy it was the same UBI that you were flogging then and now, you argued with me also because I disagbreed with him, only now because of opposition have they decided it should be unconditional.
                  This blog is full of clowns like you OBD full of airy fairy words and so called good intentions, except none of you know what the bloody hell you are talking about, you contradict yourselves over and over again and gang up to shout down any opposition to your moronic mindset views.
                  You all need a good wake up call if you ask me.

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  Flyhawk@ why do bother !! Your whole purpose is to fuck people over with your hatred & malice of being correct all the time & are so perfect as to me the master of all. You are not here to get equality just slavery handed out at every mind set of your feeling you need a social worker which the blog has become for you. Your only purpose as proved is to spread hatred of some personal defect in your brain. war is the answer – peace is for losers. now Bernie get back to your £££ millions.

                • Razor

                  Having listened to the clap trap on here I’m not sure any of you are worthy of equality, you are the ones that call yourself a community but a community of what moaning minnies, you are the spiteful ones who slander anyone with a different viewpoint, you are all terrified you might learn something that would do you some good.
                  You are the ones that reject the voice of sanity, instead imposing your clown community thought police to lock people up as mental if they try to show you where you are going wrong.
                  I am an individual and always will be I have no time for crackpot communities..

                • PS UBI if given to the rich will not bring equality neither will it if given only to the poor, we live in an unequal capitalistic world.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  it’s spite pure and simple….

                • What is spite obd that someone wants to save you from making one blunder after another.
                  It’s shite and spite what you and your cronies keep spouting, even mad Maria telling me I am spoiling ‘our’ blogg, since when was she an our, as big brother’s miss Graham would say “Who is she, who is she?”
                  I come on here to have a laugh now and to take the P out of you a rat pack of vagabonds.

                • We all share it together, that’s what decent people do, its you who makes the blunder after blunder, its a shame you can’t see it, its a shame you can’t become a better person, don’t say we didn’t try to help you because we did.

                • Maria

                  What possible help could I need off a moron like you, the truth is whether I
                  know you or not I don’t want to know you, is that OK with you.
                  You are the only who talks as if they know people but hey ho one thing you lot don’t do is think.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  maria
                  they write any old contradictory bullshit and simply don’t care, we know the MO/hidden agenda’s now, best walk away and ignore it…. there’s plenty of other stuff to consider and write about than giving it attention…

                • Yes your right and that was the last thing I was going to say to him, unless of course he tricks me again with another one of his personalities and I don’t at first realise its him. I just hope that one day he can see where he goes wrong and change into a better person, but some people don’t listen they can only learn the hard way, and anyway I wasn’t going to talk to him in the first again, only in my grief when I wasn’t thinking as I normally would in a normal situation he just got on my nerves. But anyway you are right. But anyway I wanted to stand up to him because as moggy said before that when you start posting to your replies I instantly feel that I have know you for a long time, and I’m sick of cowards trying to verbally abuse you, when your such a nice chap:)

                • Yeah like how to make soup. How to not win an argument and how not to fight for what you want because you just want peace.

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  Flystalks@ Since you have millions £ in the banks [Bernie showing off your mental health problem again] & see insulting people as work to be carried out by you the Nazi. The see that as entertainment means real mental health issues. You come on here insulting people with mental health with your hatred & venom hating everything & everybody. How sad you must feel all by yourself because you are spending all your time here getting your jollys off the suffering you feel inside of no one takes you seriously. Sad sad little person who can only communicate with threats & insults.

                • Razor considering you post on here more than me it is obvious that you are the one that needs a social worker and mindless friends.

  115. George Clooney visits cafe in Edinburgh to support homeless people.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-34793207

  116. Root Cause I would of Thought is a Lack of Condemnation of Slavery
    which Neo Liberalism Glorifies Slavery as Well as the Chains of Poverty

    The Slave Trade and Slavery was a Business Operation after All

    overburdenddonkey | November 12, 2015 at 2:19 pm | Reply

    noop demand a UBI
    now you might discover the roots causes of our obedience to others, and start to express them in your posts….

  117. VAT of 20% is an Outrage which Ruins the Quality of Life

    Better to Reduce VAT and Better Still to Abolish VAT Altogether

  118. A TENANTS’ champion who has been told he must go back to work despite having four heart attacks says he has been left “financially destitute” and shivering cold with only a duvet to keep him warm.

    The 61-year-old man – a longstanding District Management Committee activist who did not want to be named – has been fighting for his Employment Support Assessment (ESA) benefits to be reinstated after they were removed following a “work capability assessment” on September 9.

    The man has been diagnosed with pancreatitis, heart disease and suffers from “anxiety and stress”, according to his appeal letter, which adds that his condition has “deteriorated considerably” since the test.

    http://www.camdennewjournal.com/dwphampstead

    • paultheswineherd

      This is absolutely disgraceful – the poor man is very ill and they still find him ‘fit for work’! This is nothing short of madness.
      And even if he was ‘fit for work’ – where would they expect him to find a job at the age of 61yrs? – there is a lot of age discrimination after all – and even the likes of B&Q, who used to take on ‘older workers’ may have a different policy by now. I think that even they are on varying ‘0’ hour type contracts now! OK the Tories want workers to ‘work till they die’ by the look of it – but even some people at 50yrs are not physically fit enough to hold down a ‘job’ as such.

    • @enigma
      Cut and pasted my reply on Vox Political:
      ““his condition is not “uncontrollable or life-threatening” …………….a single heart attack can be life-threatening, the first one could be fatal, yet the DWP reckon that FOUR heart attacks aren’t life threatening? No doubt a decision made after a WCA conducted by a Maximus bed-pan washer? I suspect the DWP’s decision is a petty, vindictive act of revenge against a thorn in the Establishment’s side.”

      • overburdenddonkey

        pete
        the prognosis for our welfare state is very poor, with ss claimants put under more and more pressure…. again imv need more grassroots support groups like…. http://edinburghagainstpoverty.org.uk/node/5
        ‘The Work Capability Assessment….designed to cut your benefits through trickery, but read on to learn how, with advice and support, you can get what you are entitled to.’

  119. Poor families who face having their tax credits cut must ‘go without’ to make ends meet, Tory minister Tracey Crouch has claimed.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315380/Families-hit-tax-credits-without-including-giving-pay-TV-says-Tory-sports-minister-Tracey-Crouch.html

    • overburdenddonkey

      1st they sell off our jobs, then slash wages, introduce tax credits as a temporary cover, pile debt onto the people, remove tax credits, suck our economy dry, steal our gold, then say we have to make ends meet to make up for it…. http://tlio.org.uk/welfare-reform-is-ending-the-bribe-for-the-theft-of-our-land/

      • overburdenddonkey

        The Powers of the Scotland Bill


        ‘The next area you’re going to be told we have real powers over is welfare. Here I disagree, and pretty strongly. Broadly, Scotland is being given the power to spend but none of the power over policy. For me this is a bit like being put in a corridor with a mad man pulling pins out of grenades and being told you have the ‘power’ to run around after him to catch the grenades and try and put the pins back in. Or perhaps its more like having the ‘power’ to replace all the dishes your children as smashing but not being allowed to tell them to stop it.’

  120. Yes they have got us all over a barrel, guy fawkes knows how that feels.
    Things could be worse they could have us under a one.

    • Can’t think who posted the link crack and cider to me, but I am teetotal and am not homeless, but to those that are you have my deepest sympathy.

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  122. paultheswineherd

    (Off subject) What a terrible farcical ‘frontpage’ of The Daily Telegraph today – they picture Jeremy Corbyn so positioned that he has a red poppy either side and on top of his head – I don’t know if this is a real photograph, or whether its been photoshopped in some way – either way – it makes him look stupid as ‘Mickey Mouse’ and this tabloid rag should be ashamed of itself and be taken to task for producing it.
    I am very sure that they would not do that to Cameron or Osborne or any of the rest of the Tory cunts!

  123. paultheswineherd

    Cameron certainly likes and also admires human rights abusers!
    First it was Xin Ping of China, then it was Sisi of Egypt and now it’s the Indian P.M. (originally banned for 10 years from the U.K.) Who iss next on Cameron’s list – Kim Jung Un of North Korea!
    Of course it all to do with money/finance/trade – and probably a nice ‘gift’ eventually of more millions of pounds to India from Britain’s Cameron!

    http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2015/11/12/david-cameron-greets-indian-pm-with-pledge-to-boost-countries-links/

  124. Independent Commission on Freedom of Information Call for Evidence – by Nov 20
    The Independent Commission on Freedom of Information is an independent body established by the Government and sponsored by the Cabinet Office, to review the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and to consider whether there is an appropriate public interest balance between transparency, accountability and the need for sensitive information to have robust protection.

    The Independent Commission on Freedom of Information is calling for evidence from any interested person on the aspects of the Freedom of Information Act covered by its terms of reference.

    https://consult.justice.gov.uk/foi-commission/call-for-evidence

    Click to access ICFOI_call_for_evidence_paper_web281015.pdf

  125. Sick And Disabled Hit By 70,000 Benefit Sanctions – Despite Being ‘Unfit For Work’

    The Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) has published new figures, showing a huge rise in the number of sick and disabled people hit by controversial benefit sanctions.

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/sick-and-disabled-hit-by-70000-benefit-sanctions-despite-being-unfit-for-work/

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/jobseekers-allowance-and-employment-and-support-allowance-sanctions-decisions-made-to-june-2015

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    Courts and Tribunals Judiciary› Publications
    › Prevention of Future Deaths
    › Michael O’Sullivan

    https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/publications/michael-osullivan/

    O’Sullivan 2014-0012 pdf
    | size: 0.14MB

    2014-0012 Response by DWP pdf
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    Click to access OSullivan-2014-0012.pdf

    OFFICAL SENSITIVE

    Click to access 2014-0012-Response-by-DWP.pdf

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    Courts and Tribunals Judiciary› Publications
    › Prevention of Future Deaths
    › Michael O’Sullivan

    2014-0012 Response by DWP pdf

    OFFICAL SENSITIVE

    Click to access 2014-0012-Response-by-DWP.pdf

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    We have no all become suicidal. Now w hos suicide will be the best flystalks or he just hands out suicide like IDS.

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    Pass me the Rope flystalks I want to end it so you can report it to the DWP as an informant & get paid.

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    The plot has been lost & the leader ain`t got a clue what to do next like IDS.

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    A MURDER – CALL OPERATION TRIDENT.

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    Flystalks@ Stop it – stalking yor wife Sharon Your Kids Art & Rex. Now FUCK OFF.

  138. Decent Welfare Benefits Decent Public Services a Caring Society

  139. Unity is Needed For Social Justice Not Division

  140. David Cameron should Resign

    paultheswineherd | November 12, 2015 at 8:57 pm | Reply

    Cameron certainly likes and also admires human rights abusers!
    First it was Xin Ping of China, then it was Sisi of Egypt and now it’s the Indian P.M. (originally banned for 10 years from the U.K.) Who iss next on Cameron’s list – Kim Jung Un of North Korea!
    Of course it all to do with money/finance/trade – and probably a nice ‘gift’ eventually of more millions of pounds to India from Britain’s Cameron!

    http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2015/11/12/david-cameron-greets-indian-pm-with-pledge-to-boost-countries-links/

  141. The Resignation of so many Tory Ministers in the Westminister Ivory
    Tower is in Order as their Arrogance is Sickening

    It is MPS on the Expenses Gravy Train who are the Scroungers Not
    the Poor and Vulnerable Regardless of Nazi ” Newspapers ” and Boneheads
    Tabloids

    I am Glad I did Not Vote Tory unlike Millions out There who are Worse
    than Sheep

    enigma | November 12, 2015 at 3:50 pm | Reply

    Poor families who face having their tax credits cut must ‘go without’ to make ends meet, Tory minister Tracey Crouch has claimed.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315380/Families-hit-tax-credits-without-including-giving-pay-TV-says-Tory-sports-minister-Tracey-Crouch.html

  142. I Notice that Petition for the Resignation of Ian Duncan Smith as Secretary
    of State For Work and Pensions Now has over 114,825 Signatures

    End Austerity Rebuild the Welfare State

  143. Tory Nutcase Plans to Extend Sunday Trading apart from being a Mocking
    of the Sabbath and also as a Day of Rest will be a Victory for Slave
    Driving Neo Liberal Scum if this Country does Not Wake Up and Say No
    to Tory Regime Arrogance

    • “CERBERUS, THE UK GOVERNMENT AND THE RUSH TO GET INTO WARS”

      IT HAS JUST BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT CERBERUS ASSET MANAGEMENT HAS PURCHASED £13 BILLION OF TOXIC DEBTS FROM THE HIGHLY TAX PAYER BAILED OUT NORTHERN ROCK.

      HEAD OF CERBERUS IS STEVE FEINBERG.

      Cerberus Capital Management, a private equity investment company, owns the Freedom Group, which has been buying up the gunmakers. Cerberus is one of the largest equity firms in the United States and was founded by [Jewish] American businessman Steve Feinberg.

      In the category of firearms manufacturers, Cerberus, via the Freedom Group, has acquired Remington Arms, Bushmaster Firearms, DPMS Panther Arms, Marlin Firearms, as well as Cobb Manufacturing and Advanced Armament Corporation. These companies now make up the Freedom Group.

      According to a Nov. 26 investigative report by Natasha Singer, “Freedom Group’s rise has been so swift it has become the subject of wild speculation and grassy-knoll conspiracy theories. In the realm of consumer rifles and shotguns—long guns, in the trade—it is unrivaled in size and reach.”

      Mark Eliason, vice president of sales and marketing at Windham Weaponry, is quoted as saying that at the retail outlet Cabela’s, “roughly 20 percent of the long guns for sale are made by Freedom Group companies.” Also, about a third of all ammunition comes from the Freedom Group, Eliason said.

      “GUN SALES, THE REASON THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE THEIR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER OF UK INVOLVEMENT IN A WAR IN SYRIA”

      ……….ALSO INVESTIGATE “THE FRIENDS OF ISRAEL”, AND HOW MANY OF OUR PARLIAMENTARIANS ARE MEMBERS,
      MEMBERS OF LEADING PARTIES ARE SIGNED UP TO THE “FRIENDS OF ISRAEL”.

      ………ASK YOURSELVES WHY WHEN ONLY ONE PERCENT OF THE UK IS JEWISH?

      WE ARE BEING DRIVEN TO PROTECT ISRAEL BY SACRIFICING UK MILITARY PERSONNEL……………………..

      WHO IS PULLING OUR POLITICIANS STRINGS, AND WHY?

      • In December 2012, citing the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting as “a watershed event that has raised the national debate on gun control to an unprecedented level,” Cerberus announced it would sell all of its investments in Freedom Group. The private equity firm said it would retain a financial adviser to sell its interests in Freedom Group, and would return the proceeds to investors.[6][7] The decision was made after a California pension board, a Cerberus stakeholder, announced it would dispose of all stakes it held in firearms manufacturers that make weapons banned by state law. As of November 2015, Cerberus still owns the company

        • “SO THE UK GOVERNMENT HAS SOLD £13 BILLION OF NORTHERN ROCK MORTGAGES TO A MAJOR AMERICAN WEAPONS MANUFACTURER”, CERBERUS”

          CERBERUS OWNS;

          BUSHMASTER FIREARMS INTERNATIONAL
          DPMS PANTHER ARMS
          H&R FIREARMS
          MARLIN FIREARMS
          REMINGTON FIREARMS
          PARA USA FIREARMS

          ……………CONSERVATIVES HELPING TO PUT BULLETS INTO SCHOOLKIDS

          • paultheswineherd

            Geoff – (Here is the 6PM BBC News ‘record’ of it as read by Fiona Bruce)
            “The Government has sold £13Bn worth of Northern Rock mortgages which were taken into public ownership during the financial crisis.
            The Chancellor George Osborne said that more than 85% of what had been Northern Rock has now been returned to the public sector”

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    It’s ok if you call it research: Is the DWP carrying out an unethical social experiment on people claiming tax credits?

    Following the mini success in the House of Lords in October, one could be forgiven for thinking that the first battle in the war on tax credits has been won. In reality, the first battle in this war was waged back April 2015. And it’s already been lost.

    In April the DWP began using sanctions to take away tax credits from the lowest earning working poor. The DWP have called this a research project, more specifically a Randomised Control Trial (RCT). An RCT is a research model in which people are randomly assigned to an intervention or a control (no intervention) and compared. These kinds of trials have very strict safeguards to ensure the fair and ethical treatment of all participants, and these safeguards are especially essential in government trials given the obvious power imbalances and potentials for abuse.

    Read More:
    https://annieagitator.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/its-ok-if-you-call-it-research-is-the-dwp-carrying-out-an-unethical-social-experiment-on-the-vulnerable/

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      “””In what at best could be seen as a display of ignorance and, at worst a gross abuse of power, the DWP have eschewed this basic ethical principle. They are hauling people into the jobcentre to have a ‘challenging conversation’ about why they should be earning more, regardless of whether they fall into these vulnerable groups or not. So someone who is recently bereaved, or someone simply in a position where they cannot do more hours is sent a very threatening letter such as this and told they have to attend or lose their benefit. A FOIA response shows that people are excluded AFTER the interview with the job coach, if they happen to fall into one of these groups. But are they even told they are being assessed for a research trial. Are they given an opportunity to give the information that would have them excluded? Could they even tell the job coach about an abusive partner during this ‘challenging conversation’? There is no mention of a research trial in any of these letters””””

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        “”””In summary the DWP appear to have misled parliament about this trial. They have shown utter contempt for ethical safeguards, which essentially means contempt for the respectful and humane treatment of human beings. Given the widespread condemnation of sanctions and the growing awareness of destruction they cause it is hard to believe that trial has been approved. What it amounts to is a punishment system for those who are already working, on the pretext of testing out a punishment that the government already know to be ineffective in its aims.

        Cowering behind the label of research, the DWP refuse to disclose how many people have been sanctioned to date as part of this trial. Equally, it seems that if the DWP choose, the trial can be extended for another two years without having to revisit parliament. This raises the obvious question of whether the aim is to simply carry out an endless trial, in which the DWP has found a clause to avoid holding any public accountability for it’s unethical treatment of people and wanton abuse of the privileges of research. All in the name of getting people off benefits regardless of what happens to them after that.”””””

    • paultheswineherd

      Stepping – that is both interesting, but also very worrying.
      I always thought that the Tax Credits were paid by (and controlled by) HMRC – I wonder how and why the DWP have managed to get their grubby mitts on these ‘benefits’!

      • paultheswineherd

        Its part of UC/UJM, there is/was supposed to be data flow per day between HMRC/DWP… that failed [HMRC was warned most employers systems could cope – guess what… it appears that the weekly/twice weekly system is operational at the moment].

        Problem: UC cannot cope with zero hours contracts or people going over/under their normal hours. Their claim is closed and the chaos begins.

        Welcome to the new improved not fit for purpose benefit system. Come 6Apr16 its going to get very very interesting for everyone.

  145. “tryiing to brush away the shocking welfare mortality figures”

    DWP’S WAY OF ADDRESSING GLARING MISTAKES THAT HAVE COST UP TO 2380 LIVES (WHAT THEY OWN UP TO AT THIS PRESENT TIME)

    Thank you for your Freedom of Information request received on 21
    September 2015.

    You asked:

    How many Prevention of Future Deaths reports have you received
    since 2008? Please break this down by month and year, providing
    further details of the coroner’s concerns and what action the
    department took in response to each report.

    DWP response:

    No central record is kept of this information. We estimate that the cost of
    complying with this request would exceed the appropriate limit of £600. The
    appropriate limit has been specified in regulations and for central Government
    is set at £600. This represents the estimated cost of one person spending 3.5
    working days in determining whether the Department holds the information.
    Under Section 12 of the Freedom of Information Act the department is not
    obliged to comply with your request and we will not be processing your
    request further.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/293445/response/731586/attach/html/3/4022%20response.pdf.html

    • £600 THE PRICE THAT THE DWP are not prepared to pay for killing so many innocent people…………………

      2380 NOW

      10,600 IN 2012

      …………THESE ARE NOT BINGO NUMBERS, THEY ARE HUMAN LIVES FOR FUCK’S SAKE…………

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  147. Too many Grinface Politicians and too much Oppression Collaboration

    Too many are Mind Controlled Zombies Part of the System Part of the
    Problem

    The Underdog Need’s a Voice Not to Suffer in Silence

  148. Repeal the 5P Bag Charge and Reduce the Level of VAT

    Scrap the Bedroom Tax and Increase the State Pension

  149. Margaret Thatcher should be Remembered as One of the Most Evil
    Tyrants in British History a Thief from the Poor

    Down with Thatcherism and Slavery

    • I am facing a sanction because tenovus ended my workfare placement because I said online that I still had hopes of my complaint against a manager who tried to bully and mock me. They ended my placement after twelve weeks and then Learn About who assured me that they would find me another placement decided to take me off the CWP scheme and send my case to the decision making team in the job centre. I am now waiting for them to contact me for my explanation but if they do sanction me I will not be able to claim a hardship payment for the first two weeks of the sanction as far as I know. Imagine getting a sanction just because I mentioned on the internet the fact that I was bullied at tenovus on one occasion.

      • That brings back memories of the poster in here who got trouble from the job centre and was forced to apologise.

        Remember always type as if it’s a friend and not yourself. “My friend is getting bullied and he wouldn’t like me saying this” kind of post.

        Good luck mate against these nazi bastards my friend typed!

      • @Rob
        That’s intimidation, which I suspect is highly illegal. You need legal advice, a solicitor will usually give you 30 minutes pro bono.

      • Rob – please get in touch with me at Sgint ASAP – you can contact me through the website:

        http://sgint.weebly.com/cysylltu—contact.html

        We may well be able to help, and at the very least there will be someone who will accompany you to any interview or hearing.

        As an aside, please be very careful about what you say on publicly accessible forums. Ideally, of course we should be free to express our opinions, but in reality we are not. The way Tenovus has treated you is despicable, but sadly about par for the course.

        Sgint wrote to Tenovus once it became aware of Tenovus’ involvement in Workfare, MWA and CWP, suggesting that they sign up to Keep Volunteering Voluntary, needless to say, we have received no response.

  150. paultheswineherd

    Rob – I’m sorry to hear that you are still suffering at their hands – maybe someone on here would be kind enough to give you some useful advice as to what you can do next.
    (Off Topic) Also – BBC Question Time was good last night – it came from Stoke-On-Trent and there seems to be a lot of pent up anger out there as to what these Nazi Tory bastards are doing to the poor and to this Country.
    I should imagine that it could be found on BBC i-player if you’ve not seen it all. However, here is a taster for starters!
    The Sun’s Stig Abell suffered a real pasting during the programme over Rupert Murdoch’s gutter press – not only over the constant Corbyn attacks – but also over their ‘press’ behaviour in general (especially over their support for the Tories and their despicable and unfair policies and ideology)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/12/bbc-question-time-audience-member-tears-apart-the-sun_n_8549042.html

    • overburdenddonkey

      we faced msm crap during indyref all blue and red tories papers bar our own national created for this reason and sunday herald….i must say i don’t understand your defense of corbyn paul, frankly i’m baffled by it…

      • paultheswineherd

        overburdendonkey – yes, it is good that you have managed to get your own papers created to help you to fight off the Tories & Labour in Scotland. Personally, I am not especially defending Corbyn as such – the problem in ‘England’ is that due to the broken political FPTP electoral system, as you know the Tories got in with only about 24% of the total ‘vote’! (Democracy!!) (although many voters were apathetic and also under the impression that Labour had ‘dissed’ the economy, when it was also combined with a ‘World’ recession). Even though, if it was ‘proportional representation’ we would probably have ended up with a Tory/UKIP majority (and even possibly, another coalition?).
        To be honest, if there was a General Election tomorrow, I’m not too sure how it would all pan out – we all know what the Tories have done (and are still doing), the treacherous Lib Dems would still be ‘finished’. UKIP is now almost dead in the water – (Farage said the other day that they are almost bankrupt of funds!!).Labour is split between the ‘Blairites’ who are really only just ‘Red Tories’ and Corbyn’s lot – all that I can say so far is that Corbyn out of all of them seems to have at least ‘honesty’ compared to most other politicians. He has always stuck to what he has believed in,
        but, in reality – unless something drastic happens – he also hasn’t got a great deal of hope of getting a ‘majority’ – which is a real pity, as it just might bring some fairness and compassion to a truly awful political system that we now have in this Country. The others,(especially the Tories) & Lib Dems would sell their grandmother to the highest bidder and their souls to the devil for cash!
        The SNP’s M.P.’s have their hearts in the right place – but again – even if they did go in with Labour, they would be opposed by the Blairites and I am not even sure that Corbyn would ‘work with them’ in Government – again, which is a great pity. Of course, I could be wrong with this assumption!

      • obd
        Never mind Corbyn! You heard of UBI? No, well check out this link…

  151. Johnny got grief in here for slagging Corbyn but he got it spot on as he usually does. Corbyn is just a mess as an opposition leader and i cringe at his questions from the public and i hate him for not mentioning the real questions that should be asked. The questions that are asked in here every single day.

    Stop sanctions without exception.

  152. “AKTION T4, THE BLUEPRINT FOR DWP SOCIAL EXPERIMENTATION”

    ………….EXPANDING THE AUTHORITY OF PHYSICIANS, ATOS, CAPITA, MAXIMUS HEALTH CARE WORKERS.

    INTERVENTION OF PSYCHIATRISTS, THE FACULTY OF OCCUPATIONAL MEDICINE

    MANDATE TO KILL ANYBODY DEEMED TO HAVE A LIFE WORTHY OF UNLIVING

    ECONOMIC CRITERION

    NAZI OFFICIALS ASSIGNING PEOPLE TO THIS PROGRAM LARGELY BASED ON ECONOMIC PRODUCTIVITY, LORD DAVID FREUD, IAIN DUNCAN SMITH, ESTHER MCVEY, DAME CAROL BLACK, BILL GUNNYEON, MANSEL AYLWARD, WADDELL AND BURTON………………
    PROFESSOR MICHAEL O’DONNELL

    Professor Michael O’Donnell, the former medical director of Atos, now plays a senior role in the American company Maximus, which has won a £500m Government contract to decide whether disabled people are able to return to work. His previous company walked away from the contract, which was supposed to end in 2015.

    In October 1939, Adolf Hitler empowered his personal physician and the chief of the Chancellery of the Führer to kill people considered unsuited to live. He backdated his order to September 1, 1939, the day World War II began, to give it the appearance of a wartime measure. In this directive, Dr. Karl Brandt and Chancellery chief Philipp Bouhler were “charged with responsibility for expanding the authority of physicians…so that patients considered incurable, according to the best available human judgment of their state of health, can be granted a mercy killing.”

    Within a few months, the T4 Program—named for the Chancellery offices that directed it from the Berlin address Tiergartenstrasse 4—involved virtually the entire German psychiatric community. A new bureaucracy, headed by physicians, was established with a mandate to kill anyone deemed to have a “life unworthy of living.” Some physicians active in the study of eugenics, who saw Nazism as “applied biology,” enthusiastically endorsed this program. However, the criteria for inclusion in this program were not exclusively genetic, nor were they necessarily based on infirmity. An important criterion was economic. Nazi officials assigned people to this program largely based on their economic productivity. The Nazis referred to the program’s victims as “burdensome lives” and “useless eaters.”

    The programme ran officially from September 1939,[9] to August 1941,[10] during which the recorded 70,273 people were killed at various extermination centres located at psychiatric hospitals in Germany and Austria.[1]

    DWP 10,600 DEATHS ANNOUNCED 2012
    2380 DIED AFTER BEING FOUND FIT FOR WORK 2015

    Several rationales for the programme have been offered, including eugenics, natural selection, racial hygiene, cost effectiveness and pressure on the welfare budget

    GEORGE OSBORNE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF WELFARE BUDGET 2015……………..

    “SOCIAL EXPERIMENTS”

  153. I would like to thank Cameron for tonight putting the whole nation on high alert because of his murderous deeds in Syria. There seems no end to his his crimes against humanity whether in this country or anothers’

  154. jeremy – After what has happened in Paris this evening, I really agree with you. Our alert state must now be at a very high level indeed – and with ‘him’ as usual, fully supporting and going ‘hand in glove’ with the Americans – our Country could well now become a valid ‘target’ for this sort of thing to occur.

    • Those who died in the ‘Great War’ did not die for this. The current government and the current State of the UK including the fucking queen bring shame on us all. Where’s the fucking fight back??????????????????

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  158. Christopher Lebasque

    the tragic carnage in paris will happen
    again and again as blowback for syria.
    only hope is to get tbe fuck out of syria.
    hollande hawkish foreign policy in
    africa and syria is his antidote to his
    dismall domestic policy.. thatcher did
    the same with the falklands..her
    popularity soared afterwards.france
    will not pull out of syria and ” retreat”
    and lose face.. genie is out the bottle.
    sadly this is the only solution.hope
    the paris massacre makes the uk
    wake up and not get embroiled in
    syria..

    • A little bit of good news, the job centre have allowed me to give my reasons before they decide on any sanction after I had my placement on the cap scheme ended by tenovus. After being treated badly by Tenovus and Learn About at least the job centre is being fair to me. The accusation that I have to explain is this, that I created a blog about my time on the placement.
      I have had the free website for over four years so it wasn’t created because of my placement. The question is “is it a sanctionable offence to record your workfare experience online”.
      The real truth is that the charity doesn’t want any mention of accusations of bullying from their employees.

      • Rob

        The questions DWP/Provider have to address are as follows:

        – Were you a paid Member of staff? i.e. under contract?
        – If not a member of staff what applicable laws allows them to govern your freedom of speech?

        Any action which infringes on the last is harrassment, if the placement was not appropiate it becomes fraud, any action to punish you becomes collusion in that fraud, abuse of power.

        DWP is on very sticky ground here as it no longer falls under the perview of the Tribunal but becomes a ordinary court matter – no more built in delays.

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        @Rob – There are no DWP rules to say you can`t write about them on the web good or bad. It all seems lazy & cutting corners to get the result they want using any excuse. Most sanctions are made up on the spot by mis informed staff.

      • The question is “is it a sanctionable offence to record your workfare experience online”. Answer: Not unless you signed the Official Secrets Act!

      • Tenovus Are Cunts!!

        Are CWP ‘doubts’ handled by the same shower of shite the National Mandatory Work Activity DMA team at Annesley? Total cunts!

        Boycott these bastards along with all the other fucking so-called ‘charities’. Don’t give these cunts one penny of your hard-earned. They will they will only spend it on new cars, comfy office chairs, restaurant lunches, wine, cocaine and hookers. * hattip to wessexsolidarity.

  159. Indeed UK Airstrikes against Syria should Not Happen

    Sad what has Happened in Paris but War only brings More Destruction
    and Conflict

  160. Better the Welfare State than Western Warmongering

    Better a World of Peace and Harmony than One of Carnage and Destruction

    It is in the National Interest For the UK to be Kept Out of War in Syria
    and the Whole Quagmire of Conflict in the Middle East

    No to Warmongering against Russia as Well

    • overburdenddonkey

      noop
      it’s obvious and logical that we need a decent society as this would be better for all, but it aint….so how would you go about achieving a decent society….?

  161. I Notice that Petition For the Resignation of Ian Duncan Smith as Secretary
    of State for Work Now has over 114,830 Signatures

    Better the Welfare State and a Caring Society than Nutcase Austerity
    and Out of Touch Politicians in Westminster with Gormless Grins on
    their Faces

  162. Read Secretary of State For Work and Pensions

    Still End Austerity

    • Thanks gazza and stepping,
      I will complete and send my reasons why I shouldn’t receive a sanction in the next few days as I have to get it to them in within a fortnight. I will probably mention the fact that I was bullied on the placement and my comments were only stating what happened to me.

      • Make sure you get take in a seperate copy on the day its sent and have it date/time stamped, better still record [your choice if to do it on the sly or not] that it was delivered, getting the persons name and rank who receives it, mark it must be scanned and placed with your records – that’ll stop the old “we never received it and you’re too late” ploy. If it goes missing its maladministration maybe a deliberate one at that.

        • paultheswineherd

          Gazza – that’s good advice – these people have a terrible habit of ‘losing’ things and then turning around and saying ‘we have not received it’ – then, maybe months down the line – they admit that it was received and misplaced or lost! Do not trust them one iota!

          • Letter to Jobcentre: Office Stamp as proof of receipt.

            Many claimants delivering documents by hand to Jobcentre Plus are
            asking Jobcentre staff to acknowledge receipt by stamping either an
            original valid document or a copy of it. In many cases, though not
            all, Jobcentre plus staff are refusing to acknowledge receipt of
            documents and are claiming that their particular office does not
            have a stamp or that the Employment Officer is under no obligation
            to stamp documents. I can think of no reason why an Employment
            Officer might refuse to acknowledge receipt of a claimants’
            documents, unless of course, there is a wilful intention to make
            life as difficult as possible for the claimant.

            https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/letter_to_jobcentre_office_stamp?nocache=incoming-723493#incoming-723493

      • Rob
        Oh, and to reallly piss of Herr Smithdick, Quote “Humans Rights Act 1988” Right to free speech

  163. Reblogged this on Wessex Solidarity and commented:
    Give your money to the homeless: charities have directors on six-figure salaries. If you give them your money they will only spend it on new cars, comfy office chairs, restaurant lunches, wine, cocaine and hookers.

    • paultheswineherd

      Well said! – Forget those ‘please give £2 or £3 a month scams’!
      They are trying to make ‘you’ feel guilty – don’t let them do it.

  164. Yes To The Death Penalty For Suicide Bombers

    • overburdenddonkey

      noop
      but they’re already dead…
      noop
      it’s obvious and logical that we need a decent society as this would be better for all, but it aint….so how would you go about achieving a decent society….?

      • Where Are The Human Rights For The Victims Of Suicide Bombers?

        • overburdenddonkey

          noop
          can’t kill people twice, by definition are already dead….aside from that, explain how CP restores/provides human rights….

          • I Despair Of Brainwashed Zombie Liberal Do Gooders

            overburdenddonkey | November 15, 2015 at 12:44 pm | Reply

            noop
            can’t kill people twice, by definition are already dead….aside from that, explain how CP restores/provides human rights….

            • overburdenddonkey

              noop
              help cure me of being brainwashed zombie liberal do gooder then….
              can’t kill people twice, by definition are already dead….
              aside from that, explain how CP restores/provides human rights….

              • overburdenddonkey

                noop
                help cure me of being brainwashed zombie liberal do gooder then….
                can’t kill people twice, by definition are already dead….
                aside from that, explain how CP restores/provides human rights….
                o k who has brainwashed/zombiefied me and others, and how is this cured/undone…

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ok noop, i guess you’re going to continue your pull yourself together message for ever, and not say how this is achieved…i will now totally ignore you…..

              • There Is No Cure For Zombified Brainwashed Do Gooders

                overburdenddonkey | November 15, 2015 at 1:49 pm | Reply

                noop
                help cure me of being brainwashed zombie liberal do gooder then….
                can’t kill people twice, by definition are already dead….
                aside from that, explain how CP restores/provides human rights….

          • I don’t agree with capital punishment but at the same time I don’t think suicide bombers should ever be released from prison. OBD, spare a thought for all the innocent victims they have killed.

  165. The Tories ‘not thought through’ plans are in trouble once again!
    Firstly Michael Gove’s legal aid plans are in tatters!
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/legal-aid-cuts-plans-on-hold-after-law-firms-challenge-new-contracts-system-a6734676.html

    Then, Gidiot Osborne’s HS2 plans are in tatters also – there’s a surprise!
    This hairbrained and stupid scheme ‘leg’ could now cost upwards of £30Bn
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hs2-cost-of-london-birmingham-leg-of-proposed-new-railway-a-third-higher-than-previously-a6734746.html

  166. Sorry – that second link has now been changed on the website!

  167. Why we need a TCG – Time to Act!

    Here are just a few basic reasons put as simply as possible as to why all social tenants need to mobilise and get on board with the Tenant Campaign Group.

    Why we need a TCG – Time to Act!

  168. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Disabled man died of heart attack after being told of ESA sanction threat

    DNS – 13th Nov 2015

    A disabled man died of a heart attack, just an hour after being told that the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) was threatening to stop paying his out-of-work disability benefits.

    Alan McArdle (pictured), who had previously been homeless but was living in council accommodation in Slough with the support of a charity, told the friend who had read the DWP letter to him: “They’ve sanctioned my money,” before he collapsed.

    The government contractor responsible for finding him work, the discredited outsourcing giant Maximus, had reported him to DWP for failing to attend appointments intended to move him towards work, as part of the Work Programme, despite being told about his severe ill-health.

    Read More:
    http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/disabled-man-died-of-heart-attack-after-being-told-of-esa-sanction-threat/

  169. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Stephen Carre WCA scandal: Tory ministers ‘knew their policy was lethal’

    DNS – 13th Nov 2015

    Disabled activists have called for ministers to face a criminal investigation, over their apparent failure to hand a crucial coroner’s report about the discredited “fitness for work” test to their own independent expert.

    Earlier this week, a Disability News Service (DNS) investigation revealed that work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith and employment minister Chris Grayling appear to have neglected to pass on a legal letter written by a coroner in the wake of the suicide of a disabled man, Stephen Carre (pictured), in 2010.

    The letter said Carre’s death had been triggered by being found “fit for work”, and it called for a review of the policy not to seek further medical evidence from a GP or psychiatrist if a claimant had a mental health condition.

    The coroner’s letter was the second to have been uncovered by DNS that warned about the failure to seek such evidence as part of the work capability assessment (WCA) process, and was written more than three years before a similar report into the death of Michael O’Sullivan, from north London.

    The letter relating to Stephen Carre was sent to the Labour work and pensions secretary, Yvette Cooper, but only arrived on 30 March, just a few days before the start of the 2010 general election campaign.

    There appears to have been no official response to the letter from ministers, who also failed to pass it to Professor Malcolm Harrington, the independent expert they recruited to review the WCA, while they pressed ahead with plans to roll out the test to incapacity benefit claimants the following year.

    Rea More:
    http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/stephen-carre-wca-scandal-tory-ministers-knew-their-policy-was-lethal/

    • overburdenddonkey

      steppin
      they simply don’t gaf….

      • overburdenddonkey

        the wca sets up an interrogation system that asks question after question until one is worn out and spent getting further and further from the original diagnosis/point….they £ one….

    • paultheswineherd

      Stepping – Thank you for putting this link one (and the others too).
      Evidence is growing stronger by the day and I cannot see how, now, with all of this coming to light, Iain Duncan Smith & Chris Grayling can manage to
      worm their way out of this. I think that the law will now be able to catch up with these bastard killers for once and for all.
      I hope that one of the ‘not right-wing’ papers such as the Independent or the Guardian will now be able, as soon as possible to pick up this story -which so desperately needs to be put into the ‘public domain’.
      They (& the DWP) have got away with this for far too long now and caused immeasurable and totally avoidable suffering and deaths to so very many unfortunate people.

      • overburdenddonkey

        nope they’ll always find a way of dumping/blaming the victims when push comes to shove…the only hope we have is to claim and/or appeal it’s our only way into the system to get benefit entitlements….

        • paultheswineherd

          overburdenddonkey – yes, very true. The trouble too is that IDS/Cameron/Osborne are so idealogically driven that I think that they truly believe that they are ‘doing the right thing’ – far from it – they, between them are still killing people. If this was another European country, their Government would not allow it to happen – but, no – in Britain nowadays anything goes when it comes to the so called ‘cutting the deficit’.
          And yes, I agree also – always claim & always appeal.

          • overburdenddonkey

            paul
            you’re looking for justice through the system that they set up….
            they’re driven by money and power, their ideologies come after as rationalizations for what they do…..calling them twats etc a million times won’t relieve your frustrations for what they do…..they’re completely cut off from our world….
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Patch

  170. “another dwp murder exposed”

    https://www.facebook.com/blacktriangle11/photos
    /a.192375567451091.43122.191782724177042/1029949027027070/?type=3&theater

  171. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Austerity a factor in rising suicide rate among UK men – study

    1,000 extra deaths and an additional 30-40,000 suicide attempts may have occurred after the economic downturn, according to research

    Read More;:
    Guardian – 12th Nov 2015
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/nov/12/austerity-a-factor-in-rising-suicide-rate-among-uk-men-study

  172. “CONSERVATIVES STEP UP DISABILITY CULL TO INCLUDE PENSIONERS”

    More than 46,000 vulnerable elderly people have had their meals on wheels service axed in three years under vicious Tory cuts.

    The Malnutrition Task Force said official figures show the number receiving the lifeline plunged from 75,885 in 2010/2011 to 29,605 in 2013/14.

    Overall, spending on meals on wheels for people aged 65 and over slumped 47% in the period, from £42.1million to £22.3million.

    Meanwhile, there was a 34.2% surge in the number of elderly people admitted to hospital suffering malnutrition. In the last year of the period, admissions were highest among the 50 to 59 age group for women and the 60 to 69 group for men.

    Diane Jeffrey, chair of the Malnutrition Task Force and Age UK, slammed the Government for driving meals on wheels toward “extinction”.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-cuts-rob-46000-oaps-6822924

    She said: “Ensuring older people are well nourished is essential if they are to stay fit and well, and meals on wheels have played an important role in this.

    • “A MILLION REASONS FOR THE EU RAPPORTEURS TO BRING CORPORATE MANSLAUGHTER CHARGES AGAINST THE CONSERVATIVE MURDERERS”

  173. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    The uk is becoming more like North Korea by the day. DWP rules mean no talking about the DWP on the internet. Does that also mean putting the DWP into a good light !!!

  174. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    The DWP are rushing through Universal Credit in Nov 2015 ready for the spring statement in April 2016 about Ta Credits [which we already know what will be said & rules]. The flak the tories will get from tory voters in April will be less damaging if we quickly get people from Tax Credits on the Universal Credit. 6 third party out sourced benefits rolled up into 1 called universal credit. Rather than going straight onto Universal Credit as your own contract rather than a third party Maximus, Atos, Serco, G4s, Disability Unconfident Now.

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      DWP Lack Of Care Of Duty. CLOSE ALL JOBCENTRES & SAVE MILLIONS OF LIVES & SAVE MILLIONS OF £££££££.

      £££ FOR A LIFE.

  175. “THINK OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED IN PARIS AND MULTIPLY THAT BY 101%”………………………………………………….

    THIS WILL GIVE YOU AN INDICATION OF HOW MANY HAVE DIED ON UK SOIL AT THE BEHEST OF THE DWP”

    SHOCKING, BUT TRUE…………………………..

  176. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    How can the uk afford to keep paying the HCP murders at Atos, Maximus & Serco. That makes the DWP murderers as well. So DWP you listen to someone who is suicidal then in your DWP guidance Rules. But still leave the person with nothing hoping they won`t be able to afford to commit suicide. Since the DWP & HCP have no knowledge on medicine there are medications one can take if feeling suicidal. The DWP have missing the very important point of Neglect of Care Of Duty.

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      & Corporate Murder.

      • “GOODNIGHT GRANDMA, THE TORIES WANT YOU DEAD”

        A million elderly Brits are malnourished as councils reduce the meals on wheels service. The welfare state is being dismantled on a daily basis. And there is often nothing left to take its place. There are, of course, families and volunteers to fall back on. But that’s not really like it was before when millions of people, often middle and upper class women, had time on their hands for good works. Everyone has to work so hard now just to get by, that there is not the same amount of free time for helping others. Cameron doesn’t seem to see this.

        There has been a 600% increase in the last four years on people with mental health problems being sanctioned by the DWP. It seems Iain Duncan Smith has hit upon the idea that folk with mental health issues are less likely to kick off about being sanctioned… and it’s a neat way to make money.

        • “MY 81 YEAR OL MOTHER WAS ASKED BY HER DOCTOR IF SHE WOULD WANT TO BE RESUSCITATED WHEN GOING FOR A ROUTINE MEDICAL”

          ……….ARE THE TORIES SO DESPERATE TO KILL ALL AND SUNDRY TO FULFILL THATCHERS POISONED LEGACY OF HATE?

          A ‘do not resuscitate’ (DNR) order put on a disabled man’s records without consulting his mother breached his human rights, the High Court has ruled.

          Carl Winspear, who had cerebral palsy, epilepsy and spinal deformities, died from bronchial pneumonia at Sunderland Royal Hospital four years ago.

          His mother, Elaine, said she had been “left out of a critical decision” on her son’s care.

          City Hospitals Sunderland NHS Trust said it will consider the judgement.

          The High Court ruled the 28-year-old’s human rights were violated by a failure to involve his mother when the DNR order was made at 03:00 GMT on 3 January 2011.

          He died later the same day, although the order had been cancelled in the meantime.

          The judge, Mr Justice Blake, who made no award of damages, said the notice had no impact on Mr Winspear’s treatment or the timing and manner of his death.

      • SANCTIONED FOR APPLYING FOR 67 JOBS IN A FORTNIGHT

        Brighton man sanctioned despite applying for 67 jobs in a fortnight, writes Joe Gill

        A Brighton jobseeker has turned the tables on Iain Duncan Smith’s punitive sanctions regime after his benefits were docked despite applying for 67 jobs in a fortnight.

        Peter Styles has written a blog about his experience that has gone viral, reaching more than 8,000 hits yesterday after being launched on Tuesday.

        The communications and PR specialist has been out of work and signing on for a year since his last employer ceased trading.

        He says he has applied for “everything from copywriter position, to insight manager, probably seven or eight job titles I can do.”

        Mr Styles told the Star: “The administrative officer said my job search was good – however it was not broad enough.

        “They wanted me to apply to be an Asda grocery colleague and a personal shopper. I did that, neither of which even require a CV. They’re school leaver positions.”

        Last month his local jobcentre moved him from fortnightly signing-on to the new daily signing-on system.

        When he complained about the regime, created by Work and Pension Secretary Mr Duncan Smith under his work programme, he says he was segregated from other jobseekers and had his benefit sanctioned without appeal.

        “I demanded a manager to come down but she was the woman who I’d been having massive problems with,” Mr Styles recalled.

        “Throughout this time I was put in a segregated area because I expressed my views about the policy.”

        Mr Styles has appealed against the decision and lodged an official complaint against two jobcentre staff with assistance from the Brighton Unemployed Workers’ Centre.

        “I’ve been signed off with stress for a month due to the harassment I’ve been subjected to,” Mr Styles added. “The DWP indirectly are trying to destroy my mental health.”

        A spokesman for civil servants’ union PCS said the daily signings were punitive.

        “If you are hauling people in every day to sign on it reduces the amount of time they can go out and look for work,” he said.

        “The sanctions regime is absolutely abhorrent and should be scrapped.

        It is entirely counterproductive – it doesn’t get anyone back to work. It’s an absolutely pernicious system for both claimants and job centre staff.”

        The Department for Work and Pensions had not replied to requests for comment at the time of going to press.

  177. “JESUS SAVES”

    From: Janet Jones

    9 November 2015

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

    A Claimant Commitment (for Universal Credit) states that I have to
    be available for work on any day at any time, including Sundays. Am
    I to understand that failure to comply with this would result in a
    sanction being applied?

    Since having to work on Sundays would prevent me from attending
    church and practising my religion, which is important to me, I
    would like to alter my Claimant Commitment so that the 48 hours a
    week I am required to be available for work do not include Sundays.
    Is it possible for me to do this without incurring a sanction?

    I believe it is still my right to practice whatever religion I
    choose. Could you please confirm this?

    Yours faithfully,

    Janet Jones
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/availability_for_work_on_sundays#incoming-730809

    • overburdenddonkey

      it’s not welfare any more geoff…. young men were so afraid of losing their low paid jobs that they voted no in the indyref… http://wingsoverscotland.com/brick-walls-and-open-doors/
      ‘So statistically speaking, Yes supporters looking to win over converts from among the ranks of No voters would be best advised to spend their time talking to young men in poorly-paid jobs, and steering clear of rich old ladies. But perhaps less expectedly, they could have almost as much luck at an SNP conference as a Labour one….’ there is no longer a safety net govs know there are no longer enough jobs, an income deprived local economy and use it against people to manipulate them…

      • The Workers Bees and thank fuck

        You would have had to be CERTIFIABLY INSANE to RISK your JOB by voting YES to “Independence” in that fucking referendum. We are part of the group you mention OBD. And behalf of NO voters who weren’t stupid enough to RISK their livelihoods we make NO APOLOGY.

        That is just the way it is. And OBD if it was YOUR JOB and LIVELIHOOD at RISK we would wager that you wouldn’t have been so quick to cast your YES vote.

        Like we want to join you lot on here – working for your measly giros and all the shit you have to endure. Like ANYONE would want to join you lost souls on here!

        And wee Nicola should to told to FUCK OFF over Trident. It is not that wee shite’s JOB/LIVELIHOOD that is at risk.

        None of these fucking politicians give a flying fuck about the poor sods they are supposed to represent. Fuck the lot of them.

        Oh, and France is under attack just as the wee shite Nicola prepares to welcome the first lot of Syrian ‘refugees’. You couldn’t make it up. Wee Nicola should be kicked to fuck from office. What a fucking sack of shite she is!

      • overburdenddonkey

        the workers
        my point about jobs insecurity of young men cuts it right across the UK…

        • overburdenddonkey

          the workers
          IN OTHER WORDS YOU CHOSE TO SCORE POINTS RATHER THAN REFLECT AND REPLY ON WHAT WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN….

          • overburdenddonkey

            add; trying to score points, rather than reflect on the serious issues wings poll results raise and replying to that….

    • “HIDING YOUR PIP EXAMINATION RESULTS”

      From: G Ward

      12 November 2015

      Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

      Can you please tell me whether or not claimants have a legal right
      to their PIP reports as they do with ESA, If so who is responsible
      for making sure claimants receive them is it DM or Atos/Capita.

      Yours faithfully,

      G Ward
      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pip_reports#incoming-732480

  178. “HOW SEVENTY FIVE GRAND CHANGED MY OPINION OF DISABILITY KILLERS, MAXIMUS”

    SUE MARSH BLOWS MAXIMUS TRUMPET

    http://www.meassociation.org.uk/2015/06/forward-me-group-minutes-of-meeting-held-on-24-february-2015-including-presentation-by-sue-marsh-maximus/

  179. David Cameron, happy to kill people at home now wants to kill even more abroad – what a wonderful man

  180. Better Religious Freedom to be a Christian with Sundays as the Sabbath
    than Tory Nutcase Austerity

    No to ” Universal Credit ” Yes to Increased Spending on Welfare Benefits

    Yes to Human Dignity so Britain Wake Up and Say to the Tories Liberal
    Democrats and Slave Labour Rightists as well as any other Austerity
    Stooges End Austerity

    GEOFF REYNOLDS | November 15, 2015 at 8:54 pm | Reply

    “JESUS SAVES”

    From: Janet Jones

    9 November 2015

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

    A Claimant Commitment (for Universal Credit) states that I have to
    be available for work on any day at any time, including Sundays. Am
    I to understand that failure to comply with this would result in a
    sanction being applied?

    Since having to work on Sundays would prevent me from attending
    church and practising my religion, which is important to me, I
    would like to alter my Claimant Commitment so that the 48 hours a
    week I am required to be available for work do not include Sundays.
    Is it possible for me to do this without incurring a sanction?

    I believe it is still my right to practice whatever religion I
    choose. Could you please confirm this?

    Yours faithfully,

    Janet Jones
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/availability_for_work_on_sundays#incoming-730809

    • A a committed Christian the Jobcentre have refused constantly to recognise my religion and acknowledge my religious beliefs by allowing an exemption to Sunday working on my Jobseeker’s Agreement: “because most businesses are 24/7 these days”. Christ on a bike!

  181. David Cameron should Not be Prime Minister Theresa May should Not
    be Home Secretary and George Osborne should Not be Chancellor of the
    Exchequer

    The Ivory Tower of Modern Politics at Westminster makes my Blood
    Boil

    jeremy | November 16, 2015 at 8:38 am | Reply

    David Cameron, happy to kill people at home now wants to kill even more abroad – what a wonderful man

  182. Notice that Petition For the Resignation of Ian Duncan Smith as Secretary
    of State For Work and Pensions Now has over 114,830 Signatures

    Austerity is an Outrage against Humanity End the Deaths of Poor and
    Vulnerable People due to Tory Nutcase Austerity with Collaboration of
    other Political Parties being Essentially Tories

  183. Jokecentres have a brass neck

    lol at the Jokecentres having a minutes silence for the victims of the Paris atrocity. How about a minutes silence for the victims of their sanction regime!

  184. A Minutes Silence for Victims of Tory Nutcase Austerity with Liberal
    Democrat Collaboration and Labour Ostrich with it’s Head in the Sand
    Mentality such as David Clapson and others

    No to Western Warmongering and No to UK Airstrikes against Syria

    Better the Welfare State than Trident Nuclear Weapons

  185. Indeed Boycott Boneheads Tabloids .

    paultheswineherd | November 13, 2015 at 7:03 pm | Reply

    Rob – I’m sorry to hear that you are still suffering at their hands – maybe someone on here would be kind enough to give you some useful advice as to what you can do next.
    (Off Topic) Also – BBC Question Time was good last night – it came from Stoke-On-Trent and there seems to be a lot of pent up anger out there as to what these Nazi Tory bastards are doing to the poor and to this Country.
    I should imagine that it could be found on BBC i-player if you’ve not seen it all. However, here is a taster for starters!
    The Sun’s Stig Abell suffered a real pasting during the programme over Rupert Murdoch’s gutter press – not only over the constant Corbyn attacks – but also over their ‘press’ behaviour in general (especially over their support for the Tories and their despicable and unfair policies and ideology)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/12/bbc-question-time-audience-member-tears-apart-the-sun_n_8549042.html

  186. People Boycotting ” Newspapers ” and Tawdry Tabloids that Victimise
    the Poor and Vulnerable whilst being Propagandists for Warmongering
    in the Middle East the Support of Millions through Peaceful Political
    Action for Social Justice and through having Caring Government in
    Office

    Political Mobilisation of Millions to Peacefully Improve the Political Situation
    and of course Voting For Pro Public Services Candidates in Elections

    overburdenddonkey | November 14, 2015 at 3:31 pm | Reply

    noop
    it’s obvious and logical that we need a decent society as this would be better for all, but it aint….so how would you go about achieving a decent society….?

  187. The National Health Service Need’s Restoring and a Halting to any
    Further Destructive Public Spending Cuts

    This is More Important than Celebrities and the Football

  188. The 17th of November Mark’s the Anniversary of the Murder of 9 Czech Students by Nazi Occupation Forces in Czechland in 1939 .

    This was after Demonstrations against the Nazi Occupation following the Murder of Jan Opletal .

    The Nazis have Czech Universities closed down and over 1200 Czech Students sent to Concentration Camps .

    Jan Opletal is Remembered and many Places in the Czechlands Commemorate the 17th of November as International Students Day.

    No to Nazism Then No to Nazism Now.

  189. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Welfare Reform means the policy is threats & bullying thinking no one will fight back from the illegal process. I have now 15 ESA50 forms to fill out perhaps in benefit fraud but the DWP oh no it`s Maximus that deal with the ESA50 form should not have sent me 15 ESA50 bogus forms because their admin is fucked up. Not one bar coding in sight.

  190. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    When you give a Tick Box system choices it can`t compute. A choice is like a spanner in the works for a Tick Box System LIMA.

  191. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

  192. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

  193. sian – good to see you back on here again!
    By the way on Sky News now – they’ve just reported that Cameron is going to spend more money on ‘drones’ – no doubt with money saved from the ‘war on welfare’ amongst other things!
    (off topic) Tory Lord Andrew Lansley has now got his own snout in the pig’s trough of ‘advising for private sector companies’.
    Definitely no ‘conflicts of interest’ here I would have thought!
    http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2015/11/16/exhealth-secretary-lord-lansley-takes-on-three-private-sector-roles/

  194. The so-called big Charities have a lot to answer for!
    I was wondering just how much the average salary was for a CEO of one of these – I put in a search on Google for ‘charities ceo salaries’ and I was truly shocked by the amounts that a lot of them receive.
    Forget your £2 or £3 per month – they must love all of these payments – all adding to their ‘salaries’, their large homes and their lavish lifestyles.

  195. @Paul
    Anywhere there’s money you’ll always find collar-and-tie business suited types swarming like flies round a turd.

    • “NO CAUSAL LINKS TO DISABILITY SUICIDES SAY DWP”

      THE FINGER OF SUSPICION JUST DOUBLED IN SIZE…………….

      All the judiciary, bent DWP doctors and decision makers must be getting rather sweaty around their twitching ringpieces this morning as a study identified huge incidences of suicides in high work capability assessment areas……………………..

      The BBC must be playing the issue down, big style, because the puppetmasters of the Tory party could not stop it’s publication.

      The EU Inspectors needed all the evidence they could muster and this latest addition will be an early christmas present.

      BBC NEWS THIS MORNING
      Nearly 600 suicides in England may be associated with the government’s “fit-for-work” tests, research suggests.

      Oxford and Liverpool researchers looked at 2010-13 data and also found the Work Capability Assessments could be linked to a rise in mental health problems.

      The study found the areas with most WCAs showed the sharpest increases.

      The government said the report was “wholly misleading” and the authors had cautioned that no conclusions could be drawn about cause and effect.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34838539

      The government suggests that the report is misleading, that is why the Chilcott Inquiry has taken umpteen years to surface.
      Hiding the truth is a new national pastime of successive Westminster elites, nobody wants to be tarnished with mercy killings dressed up as legislation………

      While the Queen is in her counting house, counting all her money, her inbreds take the piss by rolling around in sheer luxury while she signs the death warrants of her loyal subjects.

      The gawking bag of wrinkles will be stuffing her bloated ermine insulated gob with top of the range cake as we are left to starve, a blip in an obituary column somewhere a million miles from the thriving metropolis of false Britain.

      Our hopes of heads on poles came just that little bit closer as the noose of truth closed significantly tighter around Dunko the Clowns neck.

      The inevitable will come out soon and watch the litigation start…………

      • “DAILY MIRROR PUTS DUNKO IN THE DOCK”

        Fitness to work tests are linked to hundreds of extra suicides, shock research revealed.

        Experts found 590 extra suicides, 279,000 extra cases of mental ill-health and 725,000 more prescriptions for anti-depressants associated with the controversial work capability assessments between 2010 and 2013.

        The horrific death toll highlights the “serious consequences” of cutting claimants’ benefits – and the stress of the process, academics warned.

        http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fitness-work-tests-linked-590-6844546

        • Thanks for both links Geoff .

        • overburdenddonkey

          tip of the ice berg as far as MHP’s are concerned geoff, which are always caused by bullying, victim not knowing it’s cause, what’s truly going on out there, and being blamed/made to feel responsible for bullying symptoms…the demands that we take the cuts….adds to the pressure on existing sufferers(ing)….being kept short of income, unreliable income supply …
          the ‘welfare state’ causes immense suffering…and that’s without including other affected groups….
          fighting back via appealing, firmly not taking their shit lying down, being polite yet firm, does vent symptoms, empowers one…knowledge is power…know the cause of MHP’s… need more grassroots support groups not to be left in isolation…

  196. While you moaning minnies waste time on here the rich are building mega yachts, I guess it will be left to the sea hawks to dive bomb them?

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/million-pound-mega-yachts

  197. Geoff – thank you putting these on.
    Let’s hope that this now kick starts some kind of action to be taken – and the sooner the better.

      • overburdenddonkey

        yep, become what you want the world to be….this is a grueling struggle of self discovery…

      • “HOW MANY CHOPPING DAYS TILL CHRISTMAS?”

        Alex Passman, for the prosecution, said that PCSO Tildesley was on foot patrol at the rear of the Wilkinsons store at 2.50pm on October 23 when he saw Heath in Lemons Court holding the axe downwards and “glaring into the job centre”.

        A member of the public shouted to the officer, who ran down the steps and put his hand on the axe, telling Heath to hand it over.

        Heath swore in reference to the job centre, saying he had the axe because he hadn’t received any benefit money for several weeks.

        PCSO Tildesley grabbed the axe and eventually disarmed Heath who kept coming at the officer and trying to get the axe back.

        The PCSO then restrained Heath on the ground with the help of two security guards and when other officers arrived they assisted. An ambulance was called as Heath was complaining of chest pains.

        Nicola Chandler, for the defence, said that Heath was “truly sorry”.

        He was a proud man who had worked for most of his life as a long-distance lorry driver. In February last year he suffered a heart attack, which led to a stent being fitted and meant he could no longer work.

        Read more: http://www.westbriton.co.uk/Frustrates-benefits-claimant-took-axe-job-centre/story-28183121-detail/story.html#ixzz3rkiGlK2Q
        Follow us: @westbriton on Twitter | westbriton on Facebook

        • “WHY MAXIMUS, CRIPPLE KILLER STOCKS, DIPPED 22% ON THURSDAY”

          “The lowered earnings outlook is attributable to a slower ramp and hence a reduced contribution from the U.K. Health Assessment Advisory Service contract,” reads the company’s press release.

          Investors may worry the company’s U.K. Health Assessment Advisory Service contract won’t be as meaningful of a catalyst over the long haul as management had initially anticipated.

          Now what: Notably, Maximus CEO Richard Montoni’s perspective of the U.K. Health Assessment Advisory Service is positive. Going forward, he still believes in the contract, as he explained:

          While the slower-than-expected ramp-up of the U.K. Health Assessment Advisory Service contract resulted in a reduced earnings outlook for fiscal year 2016, we remain confident that we will bring about the necessary changes to put this start-up contract on a path to success, as we have done with many large start-up contracts in the past. This is a single contract in our global portfolio and the overall macro demand trends for our services remain very favorable.

          Despite these assurances, investors would be wise to keep a close eye on how it develops in the coming quarter.

          …………….IN A NUTSHELL, TO BRING STOCKS UP AGAIN WE MUST PERSECUTE, DENY AND SHAFT AN INCREASING NUMBER OF DISABLED IN ORDER TO BOLSTER PROFITS.
          THE DISABLED OF THE UK HAVE PROVED RATHER MORE RESILIENT THAN WE FIRST ANTICIPATED, THEY REFUSE TO LAY DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT AND THE INCREASED VOLUME OF REPORTED SUICIDES LEAVE AN INDELIBLE STAIN THAT WILL BE HARD TO SHIFT ONCE ANY LITIGATION STARTS…………

      • overburdenddonkey

        http://www.alice-miller.com/articles_en.php?nid=47
        ‘Taken to its logical conclusion, this genetic theory ought to be able to explain why, 30 years before the advent of the Third Reich, Germany should have brought forth millions of children whose genetic make-up was so badly contaminated that in adulthood they were ready and willing to lend themselves to Hitler’s atrocities without turning a hair. Why has there never been such an accumulation of rogue genes in Germany before or since? It is a question I have asked repeatedly and I have never received an answer. The reason is simple. There is no answer. Hitler’s henchmen were victims of their upbringing. They belonged to a generation of children who had been exposed to brutal physical correction and humiliation and who later vented their pent-up feelings of anger and helpless rage on innocent victims. Safe in the knowledge that they were doing so with the Führer’s blessing, they were finally able to give free rein to those feelings without risk of punishment. Today children are brought up very differently in Germany. But wherever cruelty and humiliation still plays a part in parenting, those methods are faithfully reflected in the behavior of young people denying the pain of the humiliation they have been through, selecting and attacking scapegoats, and advancing harebrained ideological reasons for their depredations.’
        see also the work of dr bob johnson…

  198. Interestingly AOL News has also picked this up. Let’s hope that all of these links get spread as far and as wide as possible to let the general public know exactly what this murderous Government & especially IDS and his shameful psychopathic policies, through his own ‘baby’ the DWP is actually doing to people. The Court Dock and deserved justice has just moved and is still heading a little closer to IDS and his DWP.
    http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2015/11/17/suicide-rates-soar-in-fit-for-work-assessment-areas/

  199. Better Social Justice and a Caring Society

    paultheswineherd | November 16, 2015 at 10:15 pm | Reply

    sian – good to see you back on here again!
    By the way on Sky News now – they’ve just reported that Cameron is going to spend more money on ‘drones’ – no doubt with money saved from the ‘war on welfare’ amongst other things!
    (off topic) Tory Lord Andrew Lansley has now got his own snout in the pig’s trough of ‘advising for private sector companies’.
    Definitely no ‘conflicts of interest’ here I would have thought!
    http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2015/11/16/exhealth-secretary-lord-lansley-takes-on-three-private-sector-roles/

  200. GET THE AMERICANS OUT OF OUR COUNTRY – I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA UK DIVISION

  201. Proper Funding for Public Services like the National Health Service

    The National Health Service is a Public Service Not a Business

  202. No to Neo Liberalism Thatcher was and is an Embodiment of Evil and
    Tyranny

    Defend the Welfare State

  203. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    It won`t be until suicides happen on Tax Credits that there will be out crys & shock – Double standards.

    • overburdenddonkey

      steppin
      no the more who realize the better….
      but they possibly won’t, or will feel impotent to change things, as people struggle to keep hold of any income they can get…jobs insecurity is rife…

      • “THE DWP PLAN TO COMBAT SUICIDES”

        Scenarios for role play or discussion to help refresh staff knowledge of
        processes and procedures to follow if a customer declares an intention to
        attempt suicide or self-harm

        Scenario A – Customer pours petrol in Jobcentre

        A customer enters the Jobcentre and uses the ‘warm phones’. He is irate and
        becomes abusive to the person on the phone and to Jobcentre staff, threatening to
        return to the office later to harm himself and staff before storming out.
        The customer returns to the Jobcentre later in the day with a can of petrol which he
        pours over himself. He takes out a lighter and threatens to set himself on fire.

        Scenario B – A customer says he intends to attempt suicide as he leaves the
        Jobcentre office.

        A calm but seemingly depressed man attends the Jobcentre for a pre-arranged
        appointment. He is seated and waiting to be seen for his appointment when several
        members of staff and the Customer Care Officer (CCO) notices that he is sobbing
        with his head in his hands. He then abruptly walks out of the office but advises the
        CCO, when passing him, that he cannot take any more and is going to kill himself.

        Scenario C – A customer says she will kill herself during a call to a Contact
        Centre – telephony

        A customer advises the Contact Centre that she has recently separated from her
        partner and is looking after her two children alone. In addition she is caring for both
        of her elderly parents. She is calm and broadly rational. However, she gets more
        upset as the call continues and has suffered delay in her benefit being awarded and
        paid. She says that she has recently been relying on a Food Bank for food for her
        and the children. She says that she has recently been thinking more and more about
        suicide as she cannot cope any more. The news during the call about further delay in
        her benefit payment results in her repeating her thoughts of suicide and the call ends
        abruptly.

        Scenario D – Customer has a weapon and mentions his suicidal tendencies
        during a home visit

        A Visiting Officer makes a home visit to a customer to deliver and explain an
        overpayment letter. The Visiting Officer is accompanied by a colleague. The Visiting
        Officer sees that there is a shotgun on the kitchen table. The customer notices that
        the Visiting Officer has seen the shotgun in the kitchen. The customer mentions that
        he has mental health issues and suicidal tendencies and that, in the past, he has
        threatened to shoot a bailiff.

        Scenario E – Customer sitting on balcony wall, Visiting Officer locked in flat –
        home visit

        A Visiting Officer makes a home visit to a middle-aged single father to deliver and
        explain an overpayment letter. He lives in a flat on the 5th floor of a block of flats.
        The customer has been identified as needing additional support, and the case-paper
        has a ‘mental health’ flag but no further details. The customer and a teenage girl
        open the door to the flat. The customer introduces the girl as his daughter and
        directs the Visiting Officer to the living room. As the Visiting Officer is walking to the
        living room the customer locks the front door and puts the key in his pocket. As the
        Visiting Officer delivers the letter and starts to explain the overpayment details the
        customer leaps to his feet yelling ‘I’ve had enough, I can’t cope with all this’. The
        customer opens a door to small balcony and throws his legs over the balcony wall.
        He sits on the wall continuing to state that he has ‘had enough’. The daughter looks
        at the Visiting Officer and rolls her eyes in mock despair; she turns up the volume on
        her mp3 player and retreats to her bedroom.

        Scenario F – Customer says he will kill himself if no satisfactory outcome in
        seven days’ time – letter

        A claimant writes in to complain about his Personal Independence Payment claim.
        He says he has telephoned three times about the outcome of his claim and it has still
        not been paid. He says that he has no money or food and is relying on the charity of
        friends. He is at the end of his tether and his mental condition has been worsened by
        the delay.
        He concludes by saying if he does not hear from us about payment of benefit within
        seven days he will kill himself. He has the means at home to carry this through and
        the ball is in our court.

        Scenario G – We are told by a Third Party that a customer may attempt suicide

        A customer receiving Job Seekers Allowance (JSA) attends the Jobcentre bringing a
        medical certificate from his doctor. As a result of the medical certificate the advisor
        informs the customer that he is no longer entitled to JSA and that he will need to
        claim Employment and Support Allowance (ESA). The customer becomes agitated
        at the thought of his JSA stopping and suddenly gets up and leaves the Jobcentre.
        The customer returns a few minutes later with a mobile phone. He walks up to the
        adviser and hands the mobile phone to her saying: “Here, talk to my landlord and tell
        him why I cannot pay this month’s rent”. The Advisor takes the phone from the
        customer. The person on the phone says he is the customer’s landlord. He says that
        he has known the customer for a few years and that he is concerned about his state
        of mind. He believes the customer may attempt suicide.

        ……………IF ALL THE ABOVE FAILS, RETURN THE BENEFIT WE STOLE IN THE FIRST INSTANCE………………

        • ………..should the claimant kill themself, ring the Freedom of Information Commissioner, CHRISTOPHER GRAHAM, and ask him to block all questions relating to the deaths of those found fit for work.

          But please remember, being found “FIT FOR WORK”, is just a colloqialism, it does not really mean what it says, according to the DWP’S response to the death of an innocent party, MICHAEL O’SULLIVAN……..

          https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/publications/michael-osullivan/.

          PART 31.

          A decision that a claimant does not have Limited Capability for work, or Limited Capability for Work Related Activity, is colloquially referred to as a decision that the claimant is “FIT FOR WORK”. However, what this actually means is that the claimant does not meet the functional descriptors set out in the ESA Regulations for LCA or LCWRA.
          IT DOES NOT REPRESENT A FINDING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE CLAIMANT IS EMPLOYABLE OR WHETHER THE CLAIMANT WILL BE ABLE TO FIND WORK.

          DWP

          • Wonder how these claimants who are committing suicide when they are found “Fit to Work” would react if they were FORCED TO WORK for 40 hours a week for 30 weeks on the “new” CWP. Imagine being FORCED TO WORK under threat of absolute destitution doing back-breaking manual labour in a “recycling” plant or sorting through brown-stained fish-smelling knickers in a “charity” shops for 40 hours a week for 30 weeks! Would THAT not make you feel suicidal? Being found “fit to work” pales into insignificance in comparison.

            • That’s not the point though is it? The fact is they feel suicidal because they know that after being found fit for work they have that crap ahead of them.

              • SAS/DWP:Who Dares Wins

                Well, in that case they are going to go under them. The days of being molly-coddled on disability-type benefits are well and truly over. Disability-type benefit claimants can no longer expect to be cosseted; they will have to face the harsh reality of being on benefits. They need to up their game, toughen up, become mentally resilient, increase their mental agility, develop strategies and hone techniques to resist DWP/Jobcentre torture and interrogation. And did you call me a fucking liar?

                Directing Staff

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  Tory voter – Disability Hate Crime – Shows how guilty you are.

                • Tory Voter Trolls

                  Tory Troll Hate Crime!

                  But seriously why don’t you do us all a favour and fuck off with your “Disability Hate Crime” horseshit. In one breath you are criticising the DWP for their alleged distortion of the English language to fit their agenda, and in the next breath you are trying to pull exactly the same stunt. If commentators are indeed guilty of “Disability Hate Crime” the you are indeed ‘fit for work’. You can’t be in two places at the same time!

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  Two places at the same time like 2 names on here.

              • It is the same fuckers that moan on about “jobseekers should be made to work for their benefits”. I used to manage a newsagents close to an ATOS assessment centre and would would get a procession of these fuckers who would waddle in after their ATOS assessment for their cigarettes. Never seen so many morbidly obese people. A right load of moaning minnies. Should an utter contempt for the unemployed. Considering themselves somehow deserving. It really makes the blood boil the way they use the genuine suffering of cancer patients as a human shield. In the main IDS is doing the right thing by cracking down on these lazy useless fuckers. But we know these bastards would love it if they were left alone to enjoy their bumper benefits as IDS put the boot into the unemployed. There are many abuses of the welfare system that need to be cracked down on – disability benefits are are just one of them. It is disgusting when you think that there are millions of people out working hard for a living who are barely scraping by when you have piss-takers receiving bumper payments off of the back of the hard-working taxpayers.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  yeah right, part of a newsagents qualifications is being a gp then…? best take it up with gp’s orgs then ie gmc, bma in that case…! or doesn’t your ‘specialist’ knowledge extend to knowing that to claim assessment eandsa one needs a constant supply of gp sick note’s and nhs medical exams and tests….

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  The disabled & not fraudsters have had these insults for decades. Now the hard working families are put on benefits called Working Tax Credits. treated like shit from who you voted in means there needs to be a scapegoat because you have only started getting insults from your leader & IDS.

        • overburdenddonkey

          well there you have it geoff proof beyond doubt….the threat and/or removal of scant vitals of life cause huge distress…

          • So when are you going to remove the heads of the rich that are robbing the poor of the vitals of life? Be more like your European mates the French.

  204. Jesus Christ went to See the Lepers without Charging Them the
    Tories would Probably Charge the Lepers

    Men being Ruled by Tyrants if Not by God

    Proverbs Chapter 14 Verse 31 of the Holy Bible
    ” Anyone who Oppresses the Poor is Insulting God who made Them.

    To Help the Poor is to Honour God ”

    Jesus H. Christ | November 16, 2015 at 10:20 am | Reply

    A a committed Christian the Jobcentre have refused constantly to recognise my religion and acknowledge my religious beliefs by allowing an exemption to Sunday working on my Jobseeker’s Agreement: “because most businesses are 24/7 these days”. Christ on a bike!

  205. Forced Labour is Slave Labour and Slavery is Unacceptable in the
    United Kingdom as it Conflicts with the Words of Rule Britannia
    Namely Britons Never Shall be Slaves

    Better the Welfare State than the Horrors of Nuclear War

  206. paultheswineherd

    Gidiot has pandered to IDS – and IDS remains in his post – for now at least!
    http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2015/11/17/iain-duncan-smith-reaches-welfare-budget-agreement-with-treasury/

    • overburdenddonkey

      what’s it matter paul…??

      • paultheswineherd

        overburdenddonkey – it does’nt matter too much at all.
        The only reason that I put these links on (as in all other links) is that other people may find them interesting to read.

        • overburdenddonkey

          yeah i get that…but we have @ least imv 20 yrs of tories, and will things ever change…??….it’s the personality types that we must learn to deal with… http://wingsoverscotland.com/ten-more-years/
          what did you want to learn…? ok that the whole give me more is for propaganda purposes to frighten people… what message did their charade send out…??

          • ‘Late in 2002 Lady Thatcher came to Hampshire to speak at a dinner. Taking her round at the reception one of the guests asked her what was her greatest achievement. She replied, “Tony Blair and New Labour. We forced our opponents to change their minds.”‘

            Labour are much worse than the Tories. The Tories don’t pretend to be anything other than for the so called ‘elite’. With their lies, Labour have done the Tories work in Scotland for them. Labour are the real enemy in Scotland not the Tories. Each time they abstain they prove this over and over. What will it take for people to see Labour as they are and not how they’d like them to be?

            • Too fucking right! Labour are bad, bad bastards as they have been proven time and time again. Things would be much worse if these cunts were in power. Imagine a DWP with Rachel fucking Reeves at the helm – doesn’t bear thinking about!

            • overburdenddonkey

              wos
              we got rid of the tories in scotland now we’ve almost got rid of slabour, but we still have a tory/lab abstainer govt…they aint called red tories for nothing…
              yes, labour are trying to out tory the tories, to get the homeowner, homebuyer, portfolio holder, etc votes in the southern english constituencies…leaving other parties to mop up disenfranchised voters….
              not the same as blair new labour did, as he harvested the now disenfranchised labour voters, to further the neoliberal cause…job done…

  207. TISANA There is an Alternative No Austerity

    Decent Public Services and a Caring Society Guided by Compassion
    and Common Sense

  208. I know you guys love a quiz, here’s one I found earlier:

    List all of the Articles of the UN Universal Declaration on Human Rights, which our fucking government is signed up to, that they are currently breaking and have broken in the name of ‘welfare reform’ otherwise know as removing our fully paid for social security ….. you might be surprised

    http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

  209. The More who Peacefully Protest against Austerity the Better

    More National Demonstrations are Needed for a Caring Society

  210. There should be Human Rights for the Poor and Vulnerable in this
    Country

    jeremy | November 17, 2015 at 4:42 pm | Reply

    I know you guys love a quiz, here’s one I found earlier:

    List all of the Articles of the UN Universal Declaration on Human Rights, which our fucking government is signed up to, that they are currently breaking and have broken in the name of ‘welfare reform’ otherwise know as removing our fully paid for social security ….. you might be surprised

    http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

  211. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    The Merlin Standard

    121. The Merlin Standard is a DWP and Welfare to Work industry developed standard of excellence in supply chain management.

    122. The Standard applies to you managing your supply chains; other organisations with supply chains within Welfare to Work provision can apply for voluntary accreditation.

    123. From the introduction of the Work Programme you will be required to be accredited as compliant under the Standard within 12 months of contract award, and to maintain accreditation through bi-annual reassessment.

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      DWP Provider Guidance Chapter 2
      2 7 V4 (July 2015)
      124. The Standard is designed to describe and encourage excellence, and the Merlin website http://www.merlinstandard.co.uk will facilitate sharing of good practice to that effect. If you do not achieve a minimum level against the Merlin Standard you will face penalties, including the possibility of contract breach.
      125. The aim of the Standard is to encourage excellent supply chain management and within this to ensure fair treatment of partners & sub-contractors by you, to support development of healthy, high performing supply chains.
      126. It delivers on the commitments articulated in the Code of Conduct of suppliers that was published with the DWP Commissioning Strategy in 2008.
      127. A separate service – the Merlin Mediation Service – can be accessed by potential sub-contactors to arbitrate in cases where there is a dispute between you and supply chain partners.
      128. This is an independent service, delivered by the Independent Case Examiner (ICE) that can be accessed by sub-contractors to mediate between the parties to help agree a way forward for complaints that have not been resolved through your own dispute handling processes.
      129. Parties will be bound by the outcome of mediation and the DWP Account Manager will monitor and ensure agreed action is taken.

  212. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Merlin – Promoting Supply Chain Excellence

    Assessment Report For ATOS IT Services UK Ltd
    March 2015

    Click to access 1524050c9c86262847b3eb3ddc1619d8-94db97fea409be72d73511e263b7599d.pdf

  213. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Research and analysis

    Review of the Merlin Standard

    From:Department for Work and PensionsFirst published:20 October 2015Part of:Research reports from 2010 onwardsApplies to:England, Scotland and Wales ..

    This report summarises stakeholder views on content and delivery of the Merlin Standard, and makes recommendations for its future delivery.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-the-merlin-standard

  214. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Tory Voter Trolls are getting very very nervous with public Disability Hate Crimes as well as the Welfare Reform Has Sunk – Too New Lows.

    • Tory Voter Trolls

      Why don’t you fuck off with your “Disability Hate Crimes” horseshit!

    • It’s YOU that is nervous Stepping because you know that the days of your state-funded, obligation-free days of your bumper benefit payments are numbered.

      And as if you give a flying fuck as tax credits recipients, Stepping. It is all about YOU and protecting YOUR payments.

      You don’t give a flying fuck about anyone except yourself.

    • It’s YOU that is nervous Stepping because you know that the days of your state-funded, obligation-free days of your bumper benefit payments are numbered.

      And as if you give a flying fuck about tax credits recipients, Stepping. It is all about YOU and protecting YOUR payments.

      You don’t give a flying fuck about anyone except yourself.

  215. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    GUILY.

  216. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    We are now all social workers for tory voters mental health problems !!!! Are We?

  217. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Hey Tory you all getting a IDS cuddly toy for Christmas !!!

  218. paultheswineherd

    Here’s one for any Tory voters out there – I hope that you do not lose your jobs and have to go onto any benefits – after all, due to the present Tory Government ‘cuts’ at the end of it all you could end up dead! Take note!
    http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2015/11/17/government-accused-over-national-scandal-of-suicide-rate-increase/

  219. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Is it our first Tax Credit suicide victim !!!!!!!

  220. paultheswineherd

    overburdenddonkey & Stepping Razor – both very true!
    The Tory voters will rue the day that they ever voted them in! – The WCA and IDS’s increasingly dirty ‘war on welfare’, as well as the now, extreme difficulty of making a new claim with the DWP (and holding onto it) will see to that for them!

  221. Stepping – your state-funded, tax-free, obligation-free income whilst sitting on your lazy arse is dead in the water. The times they are a changing 🙂

  222. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Have to do a lot better than that for insults – You have not even got up the IDS levels yet !!!

  223. And tell you what for nothing, Stepping, you’ll get your come-uppance on the day when the DWP suddenly stop giving you a bumper income which you claim exceeds £300 per week, tax free. I don’t know whether the DWP will succeed in their aim of closing all DLA claims before April 2017 but you don’t know either…. 😉

  224. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    So the war is about Who Is A Piece Of Shit Tory voters.

  225. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Who Wants To Be A Millionaire Tory Troll.

    1st Question – Why don`t you pay income tax?

  226. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Oh the naughty word TAX CREDITS

  227. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    You will now have to be 4 people troll.

  228. communication between DWP and minsters.

    From: Disabled people against Cuts, 19 October 2015

    The DWP have been quoted as saying ‘“We strongly reject the allegations made by DPAC” in reference to the UN Convention on the Rights of Disabled Persons ongoing inquiry process into grave and systematic violations and the retrogression of disabled peoples’ rights in the UK .

    This quote has now appeared in a number of media . It suggests a breach in confidentially re submitted documentation and key issues raised by Disabled People against Cuts (DPAC) through an external government body.

    As a result we are requesting: Any communications between the DWP and ministers that mention DPAC
    between Jan and Oct 2015.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/communication_between_dwp_and_mi#incoming-733628

    • This issue is totally disgusting Enigma. All facts arising from UN Inspector led investigations into the grave and systematic abuse of disabled peoples rights are supposed to be hidden until the inquiry releases it’s findings.

      This is no ordinary breach of trust, this is an indication of desperation from those in power to try and mitigate their crimes prior to the outcome being released for public consumption.

      I have also submitted reams of evidence, what they are attempting to do is to circumvent protocol by trying to tamper with evidence.
      If this was a trial the government would be held in contempt for trying to frustrate proceedings, rather like intimidating witnesses.

      They are really afraid of the outcome. Even top judges of appeals like MARK ROWLAND and DAVID WILLIAMS have been issued directives to ignore Equality and Human Rights Law in an effort to bolster the treasury coffers by stealing bonafide payments to the disabled.

      British Judiciary have been instructed to completely ignore the fundamental rights of it’s patrons hoping that a British Bill of Rights would eventually succeed it………………

      Nevertheless, the Uk goverment ratified it’s agreement to the Human Rights Charter in 2009, hence the values laid down under the act, we are still party to.

      In another hammer blow to Cameron’s kill at will agenda, the cabinet office ordered an enquiry by an outside body to investigate issues of mental health in the UK.
      They are now in receipt of damning evidence that the deaths of thousands of persons with mental health problems have rocketed.

      You do not have to be a nasa rocket physicist to put two and two together to tie the DWP campaign of hate with many of the deaths.

      Rather than face facts, the government attempt to bury at ever opportunity using stooges like CHRISTOPHER GRAHAM, the FOI commissioner to act as a sanitizer to cover up foul play.

      We are on the advent of another stream of suicides, the likes of what have never been experienced in a supposedly market leadership.

      Osborne;s threats to welfare will signal his own demise, the obituary columns laden with his victims from poor struggling backgrounds and those carrying the burdens of disability.

      You can only paint yourself into a corner before eventually stepping into the paint…………….

      • overburdenddonkey

        geoff
        one has no automatic rights to benefits without going through a claiming process to get them…
        you have a human right to challenge WP placements before accepting them, claim benefits and/or appeal entitlement decisions therefore your human rights have not been violated under human rights law…
        the problem is often, as is well documented, in procedure during this process…

        • overburdenddonkey

          ps as well as the hr violations during this process, is the large amt £16bn/yr that is unclaimed, approx 4X’s the JSA bill…
          i often wonder what the reasons are for this…??

      • Wales – “Westminster can no longer be trusted with providing the full social protection that our families need”

        Nor can they be trusted with anything else.

      • paultheswineherd

        Geoff – They could even be had for ‘attempting to pervert the course of justice’!

      • “If you’ve nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.”

        • talking of nothing to hide……..

          A motorcycled traffic cop pulls up a motorist for speeding.

          cop – “can I see your drivers license?”

          motorist -” I don’t have one.”

          Cop – ” can I see your insurance?”

          motorist – “I don’t have any”.

          Cop – “can you open your boot sir?”

          motorist – “I can’t there is a dead body in there”

          cop – “That’s it said the cop I am calling for backup”.

          2nd cop – “my colleague tells me you have no drivers licence”.

          Motorist -“yes I have”, he shows the 2nd cop it.

          2nd cop- “he says you have no insurance?”

          Motorist – “yes I have” and he shows him it.

          2nd cop – “what about this dead body in the boot?”

          motorist – opens the boot and it’s empty. “I bet the lying bastard
          told you I was speeding too!

      • DPAC has sent a reply to DWP.

  229. But where is the Opposition to the Tories Not from the Lousy Liberal
    Democrats or the Rightists in the Parliamentary Slave Labour Party

    Austerity is Slavery

    paultheswineherd | November 17, 2015 at 9:20 pm | Reply

    Here’s one for any Tory voters out there – I hope that you do not lose your jobs and have to go onto any benefits – after all, due to the present Tory Government ‘cuts’ at the end of it all you could end up dead! Take note!
    http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2015/11/17/government-accused-over-national-scandal-of-suicide-rate-increase/

  230. Anyone that is Entitled to Vote but Not Registered to Vote to be able to
    Vote Needs to be Registered because Apparently MPS will be Elected
    on the Basis of Registered Voters Not Actual Population

    The More who are Able to Vote the More Votes against the Tories
    Liberal Democrats and Rightists in the Parliamentary Labour Party
    there can be

    No to Rotten Boroughs

  231. The 19th of November Mark’s the Anniversary of Nazis Liquidating Janowska Concentration Camp Lvov in 1941 AD.

    Many Many Jews were Murdered There by the Nazi Occupiers by their Sadistic Brutality .

    The Vicious Cruelty of the Nazis towards Jews the Disabled and the ILL
    Needs to be Remembered so it is Not Denied

    No to Nazism Then No to Nazism Now

  232. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    I am in 4 minds now. I can`t remember my names in benefit fraud. Something about Tory voter Trolls.

    • “CONSERVATIVE EUGENICS PROGRAMME ON COURSE”

      Leading foodbank charity the Trussell Trust said the number of families dependent on foodbanks could increase when the Tory raid on tax credits is implemented

      Getty A volunteer sorts through donations of food at the Hammersmith and Fulham food bank run by the Trussell Trust in London
      A volunteer sorts through donations of food at the Hammersmith and Fulham food bank run by the Trussell Trust in London

      More than 4.5million emergency meals were given out by foodbanks in just six months, figures reveal.

      The Trussell Trust said it distributed 506,369 three-day food parcels from April to September, compared to 492,641 in the same period last year.

      Each pack contains enough food for three meals a day.

      The trust’s director Adrian Curtis said more working families could be forced to rely on handouts because of the Tories’ £4.4billion planned tax credit raid.

      He said: “Latest foodbank figures are still at worryingly high levels. We’re seeing that hunger remains a major issue for low income families and individuals.

      “When the proposed changes to tax credits are implemented, we are concerned that more working families will not be able to make ends meet, and that we could see a substantial rise in foodbank use.”

      ‘Worrying’: Trussell Trust director Adrian Curtis says ‘hunger remains a major issue’

      Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Owen Smith said: “Any government with an ounce of decency would see these figures, wake up to the scale of their failure and change course, especially as nearly 200,000 children were fed by foodbanks over the last six months.”

      The figures are from the 425 foodbanks run by the trust, the UK’s biggest provider, but do not include other charities.

      People have to be referred to the trust by doctors, police, social workers or other professionals.

      Rising demand for foodbanks – up 2.8%
      April-September 2015April-September

      Source: The Trussell Trust

      They are issued with a food voucher which can be exchanged for an emergency food parcel.

      Welfare problems accounted for nearly half of all referrals, while low household income was the trigger for more than a fifth of families seeking food aid.

      Read more: Hospital sets up permanent food bank after increase in malnourished patients

      The 3% rise in demand could rocket this winter as households use more of their food budget to heat their homes.

      Mr Curtis said: “Winter is likely to see a significant rise in people needing foodbanks, as those on low incomes face choices between eating and heating.”

      • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        The food banks should also be handing out hot water bottles for winter.

      • The only food bank here is getting very busy, I know it will get a lot busier, with UC and especially next year. It won’t be too long until there is another food bank in this town.

      • IN AN EFFORT TO CIRCUMVENT EXISTING LAW THE CLAIMANTS WERE ISSUED WITH ESA50 QUESTIONNAIRES THAT REQUESTED THAT THE CLAIMANT SIGN THEM AND ACCEPT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
        THE ESA WAS THEN A CONTRACT IN WHICH THE DWP COULD CLAIM THAT YOU HAD ENTERED INTO FREELY.

        YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SIGN ANY FORMS WHATSOEVER, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT THREATEN TO TAKE AWAY BENEFITS IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY.

        THEY ARE ILLEGAL IN LAW.

        • overburdenddonkey

          but if you don’t sign and/or return esa50, are benefits stopped or does one get full IB rate is this auto paid as assessment period is deemed to be over…?

  233. IDS's Little Minion

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System Eugenics Programme continues ha-fucking-ha 😀

  234. IDS's Little Minion

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System set to lose their bumper benefits payments…. ha-fucking-ha 😀

  235. IDS's Little Minion

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System – nothing is going to save your state-funded, bumper benefit payments now. Bye, bye £300+ a week 😀 ha-fucking-ha. It had to take someone like IDS to sort you out 😀 ha-fucking-ha 😀

  236. IDS's Little Minion

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System – be nervous… be very nervous 😀

    • Why don’t you ask Razor what his disability is rather than picking on him?
      You are a very brave person at the end of a keypad, yet i suspect that if you had Razor’s shocking disability you would bury your head in shame.
      Why not pick on me?
      Iam also disabled but would give the earth to have my mobility returned to me.
      it is not the ones with disabilities that you should seek to conquer, rather the sad reflection in the mirror that presumes you to be of a genus without imperfection.
      My imperfections are visible, as are Razor’s, yours is more of a deeply rooted mental issue that feeds on the need to bully those on a limited platform.

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      My disability is getting people not to insult me & swear !!!!!

      • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        Seems someone has just fired from their job & has been done the JC & thinks they are owed something. All treated the same down the JC. Benefit Class System.

    • paultheswineherd

      IDS’s Little Minion – You, my not friend. If you do not shut your fucking mouth up you yourself should be nervous and very nervous.
      You – IDS’s Little Minion have got a very serious mental health problem – you do not have any support for yourself whatsoever – either physically or mentally – that is why you have to keep attacking everybody relentlessly.
      However, It will do you no good. You think that you are goading everyone – but you, my friend are nothing – a little shitty turd that will be trampled by a herd of cows into nothingness – to be returned to humus and grass.
      And you will be forgotten to the mists of the ages of lost time.

      • paultheswineherd

        IDS’s Little Minion – We, on here are attempting to deal with a Neo-Nazi style Government who are trying to take everything from all of us.
        I myself am a ‘working’ person – as no doubt, you are also!
        I do my 36 hours per week – as you do also. I pay my taxes – as no doubt, you do also.
        However – ME and YOU could be out of a job before too long – WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF YOU LOSE YOUR JOB. YOU MAY DO, IF, AFTER GEORGE OSBORNE ON 25TH NOVEMBER 2015 ANNOUNCES THAT YOUR TAX CREDITS ARE GOING TO BE REDUCED.
        I do not care if you have a family or not – that is your affair alone.
        As far as I am personally concerned, I and my family would just go off the grid – the ‘Employment Training’ that I got in 1990 taught me that you should not rely totally upon what the ‘Government’ could come up with.
        You may well have to look after yourself and your ‘family’ in the future.

        • paultheswineherd

          IDS’s Little Minion – My wife is psychic and she says that karma is going to come back to hit you right between the eyes – and it is going to come to you soon and it is only a heartbeat away – and then you will know what it is like to be disabled. What you sow – so you shall reap – hatred and disability – you will bring it upon yourself.

          • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

            @Paul – Well said.

            • Stepping – yes – it is all true that I have said.
              Thank you for your comment – that other person is just evil and deluded.
              But karma is heading in this person’s direction as we speak – guaranteed.
              Result!

  237. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Is that all the Disability Hate Crime you can give !!! Set Up Yourself !!!! Criminal comments !!!

  238. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

  239. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    “Everyone is sent a form” claims Maximus

    Benefits & Work
    Created: Friday, 10 April 2015 13:10

    Maximus, the company carrying out employment and support allowance (ESA) assessments, insist that they send out ESA50 forms to “everyone” and that their staff are not authorised to tell claimants that they will not get a form.

    Benefits and Work has been investigating why some ESA claimants are not being sent ESA50 forms prior to a face-to-face medical assessment.

    In previous articles we revealed that some claimants who do not get an ESA50 and who query this are being told things like:

    “Not everyone will get a form.”

    “One isn’t needed in your case.”

    “You don’t need to fill one in.”

    However, in relation to the first two quotes Maximus have now claimed:

    “The above two quotes are not information our advisors are authorised to convey. If you are able to share the source of these quotes we will investigate accordingly. “

    In relation to the final quote, they say that:

    “This can be the case if a customer has been diagnosed with severe mental health conditions and it is too difficult for them to complete the form (which they will have been sent). We would however always encourage customers to complete an ESA50 so we are aware of how their condition affects them.”

    Maximus went on to say that:

    “For absolute clarity. Everyone who is referred is automatically sent an ESA50 and are asked to complete it if they are able to do so. If they are unable to complete the form they are encourage to nominate someone who can on their behalf. Ultimately failure to complete the form does not mean no assessment takes place, but every applicant receives the ESA 50 in the first instance.”

    We are pleased to receive this clear reassurance from Maximus.

    We would advise any reader who may be asked to attend a favce-to-face assessment for ESA without having received an ESA50 to contact Maximus and ask for a form to be sent out.

    If this is refused, or you still do not receive one, then make a formal complaint as Maximus will clearly wish to investigate and put the matter right.

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3067-everyone-is-sent-a-form-claims-maximus

  240. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Benefits and Work member takes on Maximus and wins

    Created: Monday, 18 May 2015 11:37

    A member of benefits and Work has successfully challenged a claim by Maximus staff that she could not submit an updated ESA50 questionnaire prior to attending a face-to-face assessment.

    Over recent months Benefits and Work has repeatedly contacted Maximus to gain assurances that claimants have the right to be assessed using up-to-date ESA50s, rather than forms that are two years old – or even entirely non-existent.

    The ESA50 form gives claimants an opportunity to explain in detail how their condition affects their everyday activities and is a vital part of the evidence considered at each stage of a claim. Because of the huge backlog in ESA assessments, many people have been called to an assessment years after they completed their ESA50.

    Maximus have been clear in their replies to us that anyone who is concerned that the information in their ESA50 is no longer up-to-date is free to download a new form and send it to Maximus or bring it in on the day of their assessment.

    However,this was not the experience of our member. She told us:

    “I have recently been sent an appointment to attend for an assessment and on ringing the appointment line I informed the operator that I had not had an ESA50. She informed me that the assessment was being held using the one I sent in January 2014!

    “I requested a new one as my condition has changed and I now have other health issues but was told I would not get one.”

    Our member rang another Maximus office and asked again to be sent an ESA50 form. When she was told she could not have one she replied that she was going to download one from the internet and bring it to her assessment.

    The response was clear:

    “I was told that it would not be considered! I quoted Maximus reply to Benefit and Works query about this and was told it will not be accepted.“

    Our member then told them that she would be contacting Benefits and Work and the DWP to get our responses.

    She did so and before the day was out she had received an email from Maximus customer services inviting her to email or post her completed ESA50 and even giving a named person to address it to. They requested that the form be sent as soon as possible so that they could review it in advance of her face-to-face medical.

    Our member told us:

    “It’s amazing what mentioning Benefits and Work and a phone call to the DWP informing them will do! By the way for once the DWP were very helpful and advised me to send in a ESA50 both to them and Maximus and they told me to document any problems I have with Maximus!”

    Here at Benefits and Work we are reasonably confident that, as a matter of policy, Maximus are willing to accept updated evidence from claimants, even though it may mean extra work for them. But it seems that this has yet to be effectively communicated to front line staff, the majority of whom were previously employed by Atos, whose customer service was seldom highly praised by claimants.

    Maximus took over the work capability assessment from Atos with more than double the money and a clear commitment to dramatically improving claimants’ experience of being assessed. It seems they may still have some way to go.

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3097-benefits-and-work-member-takes-on-maximus-and-wins

  241. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Would you let Maximus help you complete your ESA50 questionnaire?

    Benefits & Work
    Created: Tuesday, 13 October 2015 16:10

    Maximus have launched a new telephone support service to help claimants complete their ESA50 capability for work questionnaire. But would you want to use it?

    Maximus, or Centre for Health and Disability Assessments (CHDA), as their ESA assessment branch is known, announced the new service last week.

    The company says that it has a team of ‘specially trained advisors’ and that they will ‘guide you through the form filling process, answer questions and recommend what kind of evidence to send in and bring to your assessment’.

    According to Rob Winter, service improvement director at CHDA:

    “Completing the ESA50 is a really important part of the assessment process, as it ensures that our staff have access to the most up to date and relevant information for every case. We are confident the new service will improve both the customer experience and the accuracy of information submitted on the ESA50 form”

    We entirely agree that the ESA50 is an important prt of the work capability assessment process, which is why we would urge readers to consider very carefully whether Maximus are the best people to help with the task.

    Nevertheless, if anyone does decide to get help from the support line, we’d be fascinated to hear about your experience – especially if you happen to have recorded it.

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3168-would-you-let-maximus-help-you-complete-your-esa50-questionnaire

    Maximus
    https://www.chdauk.co.uk/updates/2015/10/chda-launches-esa50-support-team

    • THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF CHANGING BENEFITS HAS BEEN DONE ILLEGALY IN THE FIRST INSTANCE.
      A SUPERSESSION AS REQUIRED BY SOCIAL SECURITY LAW HAS NEVER TAKEN PLACE, THEREFORE THE CHANGES ARE ILLEGAL.

      THE GOVERNMENT KNOW THIS AND THE JUDICIARY HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO OVERLOOK THIS VITAL POINT ………….

      The one fundamental issue that still lives on, despite the games playing by the Government, HMCTS and Judiciary, is that the Welfare Reform Acts, did not repeal the Right of Supersession, Social Security Act (1998), meaning that all of the Migrations to ESA have been unlawful. As the DWP have not been superseding the earlier awards of benefit. (Despite this being a legal requirement since 1998)

      • overburdenddonkey

        so what does the income deprived sick and disabled person do about it geoff….?

        • 13thHouR says:
          April 29, 2014 at 9:16 pm

          Well they can resolve the whole Data Protection Act issue, although that said, it’s a nightmare for the DWP if a claimant has the right to refuse their information being shared, as the DWP would be required to make alternative arrangements both under the DWP regulation and in the interest of Natural Justice.

          It would be at the discretion of the Information Commissioner as to if the DWP/it’s contractors would face prosecution for violation of the Data Protection Act.

          In respect of the Right of Superession, without throwing out all of the welfare reforms and Social Security law since 1998, there is no simple way to resolve this, hence the rather illegal Declaration 5 page 18 of the ESA50 questionnaire (which attempts to do it via administration).

          At very least the 2010 regulations would have to be repealed. Effectively ending the Assessment before migration. Which means claimants would have to be re-migrated on the premiss that they are already of Limited Capability for work and the supersession would have to apply to all ESA renewals.

          To explain Right of Supersession. basically. where an existing claim is in place, the onus is upon the state to prove sufficient change that would required a supersession (to amend or terminate the award) it is an underpinning principle of the Social Security Acts.

          The WCA however places the onus upon the claimant to proved entitlement, so they are not legally compatible.

          The Underlying issue here is that both the Secretary of State and the Department of Work and pensions where fully aware that their actions had been and remain illegal amounting to a level of institutional fraud, that dwarfs the whole of last decades figures on claimant fraud/error combined.

          • “ARE ATOS,CAPITA and MAXIMUS, DATA PROCESSORS OR DATA CONTROLLERS?”

            The Data Protection Act 1998, and the associated issues of the Department of Work and Pensions allegedly wrongfully declaring ATOS Healthcare as a Data Processor, when prior rulings by the Information Commissioner would clearly define them as a Data Controller in the Capacity of conducting the WCA.

            • WHICH IN TURN RAISES THE ISSUE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITHIN THE LAW REGARDING DATA.

              ATOS, CAPITA and MAXIMUS are acting illegaly by making opinions upon a persons abilities.
              This is completely outside the remit of their tasks and is contrary to the law laid out within the DATA PROTECTION ACT……..

          • overburdenddonkey

            yes i know that geoff, but what happens in practice, if you don’t sign and/or return esa50, are benefits stopped or does one get full IB rate is this auto paid as assessment period is deemed to be over…?

            • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

              obd@ – I should have sent my ESA50 by the 3rd Oct 2015 & did not send it. Nothing, money I get is still the same & after 31 days [Maximus time to act] if nothing happens they have to start again, meaning it was all null & void. My money is still coming through with no deductions. It`s not about how to do things but the timing.

              • overburdenddonkey

                steppin
                yeah i’m secure as well…my concerns are for others who are not, ie new claimants how does this info get out there, and how do they trust it when are told many different things…ie backed up by support orgs who never question the validity of the esa 50, WCA etc…

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  obd@ Yes knowledge is power. I do not in any way agree with the Terms & conditions which are threats, so I won`t sign it. I stand a better chance without signing it. If you dig your own hole at least you know how to get out of your own hole rather than some one else digging your hole.

            • They stopped my benefits over 27 months ago because i refused to sign a 38 page tick box questionnaire that implied that if i did not sign it my benefits could be stopped,
              They need your signature to comply with the terms of the data protection act.

              I do not have to agree to having my medical files shared and assessed by ex bedpan washers parading as medical experts.

              The DWP said they needed the tick box questionnaire to assess if they were paying the right amount of benefit.

              Whatever you ticked would be misconstrued to say that your circumstances had changed and then you would be sent to ATOS to have your benefits stolen.

              Upon sending the DWP a freedom of information request, they replied stating that,

              ” the questionnaire would only normally be sent out if a change of circumstances had been reported”

              I wrote back to them and told them that my circumstances had not changed.

              They stopped my benefits immediately.

              • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                If they stop mine I am handing myself in for 30 years of disability Benefit fraud. The DWP will have to act because of their rules & take me to court, so bad press then. At what point will the dwp see their plan is backfiring. Disability benefit fraud is taken seriously by the dwp & have to investigate, £15,000 benefit fraud makes the national press. 30 years makes a mockery.

              • overburdenddonkey

                you see steppin 2 different outcomes…geoff was the form an esa50….?

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  You are automatically put on ESA by Maximus, but that is the first stage until one has a WCA so third party contract with no receipt or facts. I have been fast tracked into Maximus system without signing nothing [esa50] so null & void. So I am left in the grey area.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ah! i see what you mean about timing now steppin… 🙂
                  they migrated you to eandsa without fuss….

                • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                  Also when I got the ESA50 I crossed it all out with a pen, so I need a new form [ball back in their court] I rang them Maximus so they can send me a new esa50. The 2nd esa50 form turned up but was from Wolverhampton with a Bradford postcode. Also Barnsley was in there. So I have 5 places to send it back to. I am not chasing up admin fuck up because I put the ball back in their court as soon as they want me to act. No you do the work.

                • GEOFF REYNOLDS

                  No it was a DLA80, a very similar format to ESA50.

                  PART 15 Consent

                  We may want to contact your GP, or the people or organisation involved with you. This may include medical information. You do not have to agree with us contacting these people or organisations, but if you don’t agree we may be unable to make sure you are entitled to the benefit you are claiming.

                  We or any healthcare professional working for an organisation approved by the Secretary of State, may ask any person or orhanisation to give them or us any information, including medical information, which we need to deal with:
                  . this claim for benefit, or
                  any appeal or other request to reconsider a decision about this claim.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  just to confirm i take it you’ve not yet had a WCA…?

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ps that was to steppin..

              • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                I don`t tell them nothing & stand my ground.

              • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

                DLA 80 form hard to find. Also why is it not ESA ? DLA 80 sounds made up & would be hard pressed to find a form on the web.

          • Information Commissioner

            @ GEOFF The Data Protection Act is a watertight piece of legislation – even Iain Duncan Schmidt and his minions at the DWP can’t circumvent. Whoever drew it up did an excellent job – kudos to them 🙂 All the DWP and their third-party collaborators are left with is lies, threats and misleading statements as they try and wriggle their way round this Legislation.

  242. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Once you have signed an esa50 you have signed all your rights away.

  243. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    I am on SDA where as most people were on DLA. So really I need to go on PIP not ESA.

    • overburdenddonkey

      steppin
      pip is on top of eandsa surely…

      • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        They don`t even know what`s what at the DWP or the sub contractors.

        • overburdenddonkey

          steppin
          that iron’s hot….

          • TONY COX, the man arrested in january for acting as an advocate, helping a lady with problems at a jobcentre while she was under interrogation, walks free………………

            TonyCox‬ has today been acquitted‬ of charges laid on the basis of the ‪‎DWP‬ complaint that lead to his arrest back in January.

            On a separate operational policing arrest procedure matter, after a very protracted legal argument, Tony was found guilty of on a minor charge of refusing to give his name and address under S.13 and ordered to pay a £200 fine.

            Today’s acquittal is a victory for campaigners and now questions require to be asked regarding the policing of DWP job centres and Maximus disability assessment centres.

            A full statement will be published on Black Triangle’s website later.

            Solidarity!

            Black Triangle Campaign

            • overburdenddonkey

              good news but could have had no other outcome was done to cause distress…
              yes paul better to express than not and more and more people see what’s going on out there…

  244. This is interesting. And it may well involve a Coroner! Please also look at the ‘comment’ underneath the article – that says it all!
    http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2015/11/19/tory-youth-wing-bullying-complaints-swept-under-carpet–mp/

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      “institutionalised bullying” The important policy to hold things together.

    • “FUTURE NEWS”

      Air accident investigators are no nearer finding the cause of David Camerons £10 million pound jet disaster
      Extravagance One, carrying the whole Conservative party, was eveloped in flames and disintegrated into a million pieces as it crossed the north south divide.
      Members of the ground crew, many on workfare, were deeply shaken when informed of the events.

      Ambulances from 4 districts were late attending the scene but the only available bed was in Redcar.

      Luggage was reported over a four mile radius, said a journalist wearing a gold Rolex submariner watch and various items of jewellery.

      A bystander said that he winessed a loud bang, a huge flash of light and the sound of thunderous laughter and cheering………….

      A Government spokesman said there is no causal link to the tragedy and the cutting of welfare benefits to the poor and disabled.

      ISIS have denied responsibility, stating they never use weapons against those that provide them.

      Links to another militant organisation, Independent Living Fund, have not been ruled out.

      • Brilliant!! thanks, made me laugh, keep up the good work.
        We certainly need it.

      • overburdenddonkey

        geoff
        the film ‘oranges and sunshine’ gets pretty close to the crux, but imv not close enough…still it’s very powerful….and the real abandonment many people suffer…and how people are cut off from resolution by the state et al….

      • paultheswineherd

        Geoff – I was told a little about this today – apparently the story was covered by Sky News earlier today, but not a mention on the BBC 6PM News – perhaps the BBC thought that it was too ‘close to the bone’ to cover it. After all, it will, I suspect cost millions of pounds and with the ‘news’ of the poor junior doctor’s (all too necessary) strike action coming up – perhaps the BBC thought that the ‘public’ may get upset about it!
        I wonder what Cameron is going to call it – ‘Royal Air Force One’ perhaps – oh, and not forgetting also – the Royals will be able to travel on it also – well, there’s a genuine surprise I don’t think!
        No doubt it will all be paid for by the ‘hardworking taxpayer’s of Britain’ as usual!

  245. Townie Thugs who carry out Brutal Attacks on Disabled People such as
    Tipping over Wheelchairs probably Brainwashed by Tabloid Propaganda
    Victimising the Poor and Vulnerable and the Homeless are Worse than
    Pigs and Make my Blood Boil

  246. The Infliction of Council Tax upon the Poor and Vulnerable since the
    1st of April 2013 AD upon the Poor and Vulnerable by the Con Dem
    Millionaires Regime whilst the Rich have had Tax Breaks and the
    Collaborate with the Nazis I Am All Right Jack Middle Class had their
    Heads upthemselves together with Nutcase Cuts to Local Government
    Funding is a Total Outrage which Needs to be Repealed

    Tax the Rich Hands Off the Poor

    End Austerity and have a Better Britain

  247. The EU has Cost the UK a Fortune in Membership Fees which Should of
    been Spent on Public Services

    Politicians like the EU because it is a Gravytrain for Them

    The EU did Not Save the Life of David Clapson or others who have
    Died because of Nutcase Austerity and it has Not Housed the Homeless
    who cannot Squat in Empty ” Residential ” Properties thanks to the
    Con Dems

    The EU did Not Stop the Bedroom Tax and VAT is a Cause of Impoverishment as Well because of Lousy EU Membership

    The EU is a Politicians Ivory Tower

    Better an Independent Britain with a Government that Cares about the
    Poor and Vulnerable

  248. Britains Need Not Political Correctness but Instead a Political Class
    which Cares about People who Live in Great Britain such as the Poor
    and Vulnerable and the Provision of Public Services

    No to Thatcherism

  249. That mouthy and self-sanctemonious Tory bitch Anna Soubry (Maggie Thatcher the 2nd) is on Question Time at the moment – just watch the fur fly tonight!!
    The main subject seems to be the extremist wars/French tragedy.
    (If you don’t see it, the BBC i-player may cover it tomorrow)

  250. No one seems to know about this one – just look at this Government’s secrecy! I wonder if it has got anything to do with the possibility of handing out contracts to private companies in the future (once again!).
    This is very important – but again, it is not being publicised at all.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/19/nhs-mandate-england-consultation-deadline

  251. Sorry – that link may not work now they may have changed the link?
    It refers to an article written in today’s Guardian by Ann Robinson.
    This is regarding a ‘public consultation about the health service (By Jeremy Hunt) – there are only four days left to respond (from today Thursday!)

  252. (Found it) – please just leave the ‘t’ out of ‘consultation’ in the web address.
    They typed ‘consultation’ incorrectly – I am slightly dyslexic so I didn’t pick up the mistake!

  253. End Austerity Bridge the Gulf between Rich and Poor

  254. overburdenddonkey

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/if-only-someone-had-said/
    ‘Every paper is awash in shock headlines at the revelation that the House Of Lords want the Scotland Bill held up because nobody has the faintest idea how the “fiscal framework” can actually be constructed in such a way as to avoid Scotland being left worse off by the changes to devolved powers.’

    • overburdenddonkey

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34878521
      ‘Academics have called for a ban on smacking after finding “compelling” evidence that it creates a “vicious circle” of conflict and violence that carries on into adulthood.’ well i never

      • overburdenddonkey

        ps and should not be replaced with emotional violence, which in fact predicates physical violence…aka bullying….

      • I bet there is plenty of bullying and violence from kids that are not smacked, some turn out to be pure spoilt brats who think they can get away with anything.

        • Spoil the road and spare the child…. 😉

          Smacking, bullying whatever does destroys kids lives and goes onto destroy the adults lives. Research suggests that kids who are subject to violence and bullying earlier in life go on to lead unfulfilling lives; they will tend to be unemployed/in low-paid occupations and have low-quality relationships; the pattern of bullying will follow them throughout life. You can bet your bottom dollar that most of those subject to the jobcentre/work programme bullying have been subjected to bullying/violence as a child.

          And as you rightly point out, guy, it is kids who are not subject to bullying/violence in childhood, who want for nothing, are spoiled brats who are the bullies and continue on as bullies. Research has also shown that these are the children who go onto do well in life.

          The way we turn out as adults is shaped and moulded by out childhoods.

          • overburdenddonkey

            are you actually saying that hitler, stalin, et al were spoilt children….?

          • JeB

            Theories were never based on logic, especially this one which claims you are a bully whether you were smacked or not smacked. Who is selling
            these smack theories?

            • overburdenddonkey

              all abuse is ultimately emotional and causes mental pain ranging from mild to severe, as i have already stated and also depends on the type and intensity of the bullying whether or not one becomes a bully or the triggered by bullies, bully victim….whether or not culturally acceptable scapegoats can be found, to be used and persecuted by seemingly rational bullies….
              bullies project their suffering and/or fears of suffering, in charge, not in charge, ok not ok, boss, not boss, onto their even more downtrodden victims….they turn their victims in to quaking wrecks…rather than face their abusers…
              see also the work of dr dot rowe, dr oliver james, robert whitaker, dr bob johnson, prof joe sim, dr alice miler, dr joanna moncrieff etc….
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bt12r3H3oQ you’ll note that the entire group, this goes for all groups of victims, suffered very similar mental pains, all of them clearly attributed to their experiences…

              • overburdenddonkey

                add for further clarity; rather than face their abuse, not face abusers directly….but a figment of them…only when one is healed and/or healing ie knowing the truth and only if wanted, can/should one directly confront abusers, as when one is still vulnerable, they can often trigger one, aka press one’s buttons…

              • Absolute rubbish OBD, you are the one that complains the most about your past, some of us grow up!

                • overburdenddonkey

                  so you’re saying that all abuse victims should simply grow up, which in fact pisses all over this blog post….i often mention my past and have every right to complain about it as well as mentioning my healing experience…
                  and the abuse victims, featured in the vid clip i posted according to you are just moaning ninnies, who need to grow up and get a life, charming..
                  i see you as a behaviourist, pure and simple

                • OBD you state you are almost at retirement age and although one does not forget, one has to get on with ones life.
                  My reference to moaning minnies was about you lot complaining about whether I have manners or whether I swear – get a life.
                  You make mountains out of molehills on everyone’s behaviour who does not agree with you.
                  If as you say you have undergone healing why are you still going on about your childhood?
                  There are websites for children or adults who are/have been abused, this is a website or supposed to be for those that were or are being abused by the state.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  abuse is abuse and the solution to it’s affects is the same, i must also point out that the in that vid were abused by the state….ps my life is now fine coz i have healed….healing is about recovering emotions not blocking them as you continue to imply…getting upset, angry, protesting etc about abuse and/or being abused and VOICING IT, is emotionally healthy….aka natural…
                  i’ve already explained why i say what i do, all your doing is trying to put one back in the box, out of sight out of mind….i posted a BBC link about smacking…you asked questions about that, now you’re telling me to shut up coz you don’t like my replies…

                • I am not so much telling you to shut up as find an appropriate site for abuse, I have seen the sunshine and oranges film a few times and know that the state and charities were culpable, but these cases do need careful handling and discussion on relevant websites (and not always with the so called professionals), but not one about benefits and employment.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  steppin said;
                  Flyhawk@ why do bother !! Your whole purpose is to fuck people over with your hatred & malice of being correct all the time & are so perfect as to me the master of all. You are not here to get equality just slavery handed out at every mind set of your feeling you need a social worker which the blog has become for you. Your only purpose as proved is to spread hatred of some personal defect in your brain. war is the answer – peace is for losers. now Bernie get back to your £££ millions.
                  your reply tp steppin was;
                  ‘Having listened to the clap trap on here I’m not sure any of you are worthy of equality, you are the ones that call yourself a community but a community of what moaning minnies, you are the spiteful ones who slander anyone with a different viewpoint, you are all terrified you might learn something that would do you some good.
                  You are the ones that reject the voice of sanity, instead imposing your clown community thought police to lock people up as mental if they try to show you where you are going wrong.
                  I am an individual and always will be I have no time for crackpot communities..’
                  you just said to me….
                  ‘My reference to moaning minnies was about you lot complaining about whether I have manners or whether I swear – get a life.’
                  which makes my ref to what you said to you were just moaning ninnies who just need to get a life, a correct application of your words….
                  i’ll also post a link of you telling maria to shut up coz she dared to question YOU….if you like…i’ll also point out that we all have behaviours….and mine are encapsulated in my responses…as are yours…
                  this site is not just about benefits and employment and you still fail to acknowledge that you ASKED THE QUESTIONS AND DID NOT LIKE THE RESPONSES AND TOLD ME TO SHUT UP…I WILL NOT…

                • What the fuck are you going on about now OBD speaking for others as usual and utter crap to boot.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  i’m not speaking for others but noting what you have said, BTW those children were abused by the STATE…
                  AND YOU STILL HAVEN’T ACKNOWLEDGED THAT I WAS RESPONDING TO YOUR POST…AND AS YOU DON’T LIKE THE GIVEN ANSWERS, YOU PROCRASTINATE AND TELL ME TO SHUT UP…

                • OBD I think you need locking up you lie through your back teeth.

            • jeB what category would you put the adult that had good employment even promotion until the recession hit their employment?

              What low quality relationships have you been in JeB, plenty I bet judging by your comments and generalizations on those that are unemployed.

              I will bet my bottom dollar that you are probably a contractor that works away and has the perfect relationship in the short time you spend with your partner tellling them tall stories about your working yourself to death with your long hours at work – being the success you so obviously think you are.

  255. overburdenddonkey

    to copy and paste site address link….go to address bar top of page click, it turns blue, right click, click copy…go to jv or whoever, dialogue box, click and then right click, go to paste and click…

  256. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm6kl17HH9s – Steve Hughes on giving money to the homeless

  257. For anyone who doesn’t yet know.

    You have the right to be accompanied to interviews at the Jobcentre and all DWP offices.

    2 pages

    Click to access you-have-the-right-to-be-accompanied-to-benefits-interviews-leaflet-generic.pdf

  258. March 2015

    Name Date(s) of trip Destination Purpose of trip Mode of Transport ‘No 32 (The Royal) Squadron’ or ‘other RAF’ or ‘Charter’ or ‘Eurostar’ Number of officials accompanying Minister, where non-scheduled travel is used Total cost including travel, and accommodation of Minister only
    The Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith MP 1-6 March US/Canada Speeches in both US/Canada Scheduled Flights 3 £8747.10 – flights only

  259. “Homeless charities have criticised plans to ban people from sleeping rough in city centres as Newport is the latest place to consider imposing fines of up to £1,000.

    Jason Davies, who has been sleeping on the streets since 2004, says he fears any ban would leave him criminalised and even more vulnerable than before.” BBC news.

  260. This Country or Rather too many in this Country are in a Trance of
    Obliviousness which is why There is so few Protests and barely a
    Grumble from lots out there

    Instead of Christmas Presents People should be Thinking about the
    Best Christmas Present Social Justice Caring Government and No
    Nutcase Austerity

    George Osborne should Resign as Chancellor of the Exchequer and
    Millions out There should Stop being in a Trance of Obliviousness

  261. A Place of Residence is a Basic Human Right so Shame on Local
    Councils who Instead of being a Meaningful Public Service are like
    Mini Nazi Dictatorships and try to Victimise the Homeless

    Victimizing a Homeless Person is Evil Pure and Simple

    It is an Outrage against Humanity

  262. Austerity Needs to be Ended and Social Justice takes its Place

    This Requires More than just an Occasional Demonstration whilst
    Millions are in the Sleepwalking Trance as has been the Case
    under the Con Dem Regime May 2010 AD to March 2015 AD

    It Requires Mass Political Lobbying and Demonstrations every Week
    to End Austerity in the Millions preferably Tens of Millions

  263. With 450 Decent People in the House of Commons Austerity could be
    Ended

    Surely there must be more than a Few Thousand Decent People in
    the Country

    Austerity Needs to be Ended and that Requires an End to Nutcase
    Budgets from a Chancellor of the Exchequer who is so Utterly Out
    of Touch with MPS as like Nodding Donkeys or more Dummy than
    Dummies

  264. Obliviousness and Oblivion go Hand in Hand

    That is why the Country is in the State it is

    A Caring Society is One Based upon People Caring Not being Oblivious
    to Human Suffering

    • overburdenddonkey

      noop
      i can’t ignore your goads..but you are oblivious to suffering of oppressed peoples as you expect them to snap out of the traumas caused by oppression…you expect B(product)…that is behaviourism, and you’re preaching it….you exclude A2 (healing process)….

  265. Criminal courts charge backlash shows just how rubbish Chris Grayling was as Justice Secretary.

    The Committee gives the sad example of woman who pleaded guilty to stealing Mars Bars worth 75p:

    She said she stole the item because she ‘had not eaten in days’ after her benefits were sanctioned. She was fined £73, ordered to pay a £150 criminal courts charge, £85 costs, a £20 victim surcharge and 75p compensation.

    http://www.legalcheek.com/2015/11/criminal-courttice-secretary/

  266. paultheswineherd

    Incidentally, just seen a report on Sky News about the life of poor people in Bradford, including the ‘working poor’ sometimes having to use foodbanks.
    Absolutely terrible – Government(s) policies = help the ‘bankers’ leading to the current attacks upon the poor, the working poor, the sick & the disabled. The ‘bankers’ have got away with all of it and the poor are slowly starving.
    It’s also been announced that everyone will now have to pay an extra 2% on their total Council Tax to pay for ‘Adult Social Care’. This is to be formally announced during Gidiot’s speech next Wednesday, 25th November. If this continues, I can see all of us having to pay more and more Council Tax as the Government ‘subsidies’ to the Councils are successively decreased year after year from now on.
    If you are a Tory Millionairre however – absolutely no need to worry at all!

  267. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Dodgy Dave is now buying a £ Trillion worth of Army Toys 50 new fighter jets, the worlds biggest aircraft carrier – All saving for war. Now it`s time to close the Libraries, burn the books. Dodgy Dave is calling the NME Nazis. Dave they are not Nazi`s they are Disabled people are your real NME Dave.

  268. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    WORK PAYS FOR 20 YEAR WARS

  269. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Going to war against a stateless NME.

  270. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Dodgy Dave stop trying to copy Tony Flairs – Housing bubble bursts & recession.

  271. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

  272. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    4 Million Refugees heading for Europe.

    • overburdenddonkey

      can fit the entire pop of the world on 10 IoW’s with rm to spare, not much granted…
      http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/24/10-great-urban-myths-debunked
      pop of eu 508m….

      • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        ‘The benefits bill is spent on unemployed and disabled people’

        It’s true that the Department for Work and Pensions is the biggest-spending government department in the UK, spending £166.98bn in 2011-12. Of that huge sum, £159bn was spent on benefits – an increase of 1.1% on the previous year. That’s 23% of all public spending.

        But ask people where that money goes and the assumptions are that it’s on unemployment or incapacity benefit. In fact, 41% of people think that the entire welfare budget goes to unemployed people, according to a recent TUC poll. In fact, half of UK benefit spending actually goes on state pensions. That is £74.22bn a year, more than the £48.2bn the UK spends on servicing its debt.

        It’s followed by housing benefit of £16.94bn and disability living allowance of £12.57bn. Jobseeker’s allowance is actually one of the smaller benefits – £4.91bn in 2011-12. That is 3% of the whole benefits bill.

  273. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    The pigs aka police & war planes dropping pigs – Pigs can fly.

  274. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Since we are fit for work – Does that mean we can all join the Army !!!

  275. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    A civil war means no one knows what`s happening, so the west ain`t got a clue. Be careful you will be siding in a civil war.

  276. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    RESULT = 20 more years in recession. Many Tax Credit suicides to come.

    • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      300 Tax Credit Suicides – 3 British Soldiers [pilots] killed. Forget about the 300 dead on tax credits.

  277. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    New Years Eve is a good target in London. We know that but can`t do nothing because of the police budget cuts.

  278. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Time to get the British jets doing bombings over Bradford, Bolton & Southall.

  279. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    Here in Norfolk the jets are doing training all the time. In July 2 jets almost crashed into each other whilst training. So I see all the Hardware going off to war.

  280. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    The reason to band drones to the public is part of National Security. It is amazing what you can load on to a drone. Oh yeh we had not thought of that.

    • overburdenddonkey

      https://archive.is/c6Gug
      ‘John Simpson: British Media Is ‘Grotesquely Selective’ In Reporting Terror Attacks’
      “I can rant about this from hour to hour because it makes me so angry that we should walk into other people’s countries and completely demolish whatever system they might have had beforehand, and then after, when the pressure gets a bit too great and you walk out, we never notice again what’s happened.”

  281. Ministers must listen after report highlights up to 590 disabled claimants’ suicides

    November 18, 2015

    A University of Liverpool and University of Oxford report in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health which was released yesterday, estimates that up to 590 disabled people may have committed suicide between 2010-13, as a result of more stringent Work Capability Assessments.

    I wish I could say the findings from this research come as a surprise. The evidence I have received as a constituency MP, a member of the Work & Pensions Select Committee and now as Shadow Minister for Disabled People has indicated how damaging this Government’s Work Capability Assessment process is to the health and well-being of people who are already vulnerable.

    The findings are devastating for the Government. They are damning of the Government’s treatment of disabled people receiving social security support, and in particular of their Work Capability Assessment process.

    Doctors and disability rights organisations have repeatedly raised concerns that the Work Capability Assessment has had an adverse effect on the mental health of claimants, and this analysis shows that it is independently associated with an increase in suicides, self-reported mental health problems and antidepressant prescribing. Their calls have gone unheeded by the Government.

    But now Ministers must listen. I have been calling for an overhaul of the Work Capability Assessment; this report shows how desperately it is needed. The views and experiences of disabled people have to be right at the heart of that process. Labour wants disabled people to be able to play a central role in both the development and monitoring of this.

    With the release of this worrying report, I felt it was necessary to address this issue in Parliament. I asked Mr Speaker how it is best for me to get the Secretary of State to address these appalling affairs by raising a Point of Order in the House of Commons yesterda

    • “FUCKING THE ELECTORATE FOR PRIVATE GAIN”

      ………..THE WANKERS WITH THEIR HEAD IN THE TROUGH

      ‘Selling off NHS for profit’: Full list of MPs with links to private healthcare firms

      22:52, 17 Nov 2014
      Updated 13:59, 4 Feb 2015
      By Jack Blanchard

      PM David Cameron and Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt, Lib Dems Nick Clegg and Vince Cable are also on the list – here is the full rundown. Is your MP on there?

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      ‘Dossier of shame’: Clegg, Cameron, Hague, Hunt, Duncan Smith and Lansley are named
      1. David Cameron – Prime Minister

      Handed a peerage to nursing and care home tycoon Dolar Popat, who has given the Tories more than £200,000 in donations.
      2. Andrew Lansley – Former Health Secretary & architect of privatisation

      Received a £21,000 donation in Nov 2009 from John Nash, the former chairman of Care UK.
      3. Harriet Baldwin – Tory whip

      Former executive at JP Morgan, a major player in private healthcare.
      4. Greg Barker – former Energy Minister

      Held shares in Quester VCT 5 plc ,a venture capital firm with multiple investments in healthcare companies.
      5. Henry Bellingham

      Former director of Lansdowne Advisory Ltd, which has shares in private healthcare company Circle.
      6. Jake Berry

      Has registered interests in legal firm Squire Patton Boggs, which workd with multiple NHS trusts on PFI and PPP programs.
      7. Graham Brady

      Former advisor to PA Consulting, a management consultancy company which has worked with the NHS’s new Clinical Commissioning Groups.
      8. Simon Burns – former Health Minister

      Attended an oncology conference paid for by Aventis Pharma – a five-day trip to the US funded by a leading drug firm.
      9. Nick de Bois

      Was the majority shareholder in Rapier Design Group, an events management company heavily involved with the private medical and pharmaceutical industries.
      10. Steve Brine

      Received almost £15,000 in donations from James Lupton, the chairman of investment bankers, Greenhill Europe which has a global network of corporate relationships in the healthcare sector.
      11. Aidan Burley

      Received six bottles of wine from Hitachi consultants for a speech in 2011. Hitachi Consulting UK built an online ‘portal’ for NHS commissioners to help them monitor performance.
      12. Damian Collins

      Spent almost a decade working for marketing agency M&C Saatchi, whose clients include PPP healthcare, AXA insurance, Astrazeneca, Pfizer and Merck
      13. David Davis – former shadow home secretary

      Received a payment of £4,250 for a six-hour speaking engagement for private health insurance company Aviva.
      14. Jonathan Djanogly

      Received £1,900 from Huntleigh Healthcare Ltd, which manufactures medical and orthopaedic equipment and instruments.
      15. Richard Drax

      Received £14,000 in a series of donations from Derek Luckhurst, chief executive and owner of care home group Agincare.
      16. Iain Duncan-Smith – Work and Pensions Secretary

      Has shares in hygiene technology company Byotrol plc, which sells products to the NHS.
      17. Philip Dunne

      Was a non-executive director for investment firm Baronsmead VCT 4 plc, which had multiple investments in private healthcare companies.
      18. Michael Fallon – Defence Secretary

      Former director of Attendo AB, – a Swedish private health company.
      19. Mark Field

      Was a board advisor to Ellwood and Atfield; a recruitment firm which recruit for NHS positions and private healthcare.
      20. Liam Fox – former Defence Secretary

      Received £5,000 from investment company IPGL Ltd, who purchased healthcare pharma company Cyprotex.
      21. George Freeman

      Has shares in Hill House Assets Ltd, formally private health firm 4D Biomedical Ltd.
      22. Mike Freer

      Provided marketing advice to Care Matters, a financial planning company for care homes.
      23. Richard Fuller

      Worked for L.E.K consulting, which has six ‘partners’ in European healthcare.
      24. Richard Graham

      Received £3,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
      25. William Hague – Leader of the Commons

      Received a £20,000 donation from MMC Ventures, which parts owns The Practice plc which runs 60 GP surgeries.
      26. Philip Hammond – Foreign Secretary

      Beneficiary of a trust which owns a controlling interest in healthcare and nursing home developer Castlemead Ltd.
      27. Mark Harper

      Received £5,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
      28. Nick Herbert

      Received £15,000 in donations from Caroline Nash, wife of former Care UK chairman John Nash.
      29. Jeremy Hunt – Health Secretary

      Received £32,920 from hedge fund baron Andrew Law, a major investor in healthcare firms.
      30. Margot James

      Had a key role at marketing giant WPP Group, which had a long list of healthcare clients.
      31. Sajid Javid – Culture Secretary

      Received £11,000 from Moundsley Healthcare Ltd last year.
      32. Jo Johnson – Downing Street policy adviser

      Received £6,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
      33. Kwarsi Kwateng

      Worked as an analyst for for Crispin Odey’s hedge fund Odey Asset Management.
      34. Mark Lancaster

      Former adviser to property venture capital firm Company Palmer Capital Partners Ltd, a funder of Danescroft Commercial Developments, which has worked in the healthcare sector.
      35. Dr Phillip Lee

      Has worked as a freelance or Medical Solutions Ltd, which provided medical cover for events.
      36. Oliver Letwin – former shadow chancellor

      Was a non-executive director of N.M. Rothschild Corporate Finance Ltd, which invests heavily in healthcare.
      37. Peter Lilley

      Non-Executive director of management software firm Idox plc, which provides services to the NHS Health Libraries Group and NHS Education for Scotland.
      38. Tim Loughton

      Received £350 for training sessions with Cumberlege Connections, a political networking firm that works “extensively” with the pharmaceutical industry.
      39. Mary Macleod

      Was a senior executive at Andersen Consulting/Accenture, which has profited from big PFI deals.
      40. Francis Maude – Cabinet Office Secretary

      Was a director of PR firm Huntsworth plc, which was part of lobbying group Healthcare Communications Association.
      41. Maria Miller – former Culture Secretary

      Former director of Grey’s Advertising Ltd, an advertising and brand company which worked extensively with clients in the healthcare sector.
      42. Andrew Mitchell – former International Development Secretary

      Was a strategy adviser to global management firm Accenture, which has worked extensively with private healthcare companies and the NHS.
      43. Penny Mordaunt – Communities Minister

      Worked for lobbying firm Hanover, where she had a range of healthcare clients.
      44. Brooks Newmark – former Charities Minister

      Partner in the Allele Fund, which invests in healthcare startups.
      45. Jesse Norman

      Received £5,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
      46. Stephen O’Brien

      Received payments totalling £40,000 from Julian Schild, whose family made £184million in 2006 by selling hospital bed-makers Huntleigh Technology.
      47. George Osborne – Chancellor

      Received donation through Conservative Campaign Headquarters from Julian Schild – see above.
      48. Priti Patel – Treasury Minister

      Worked for lobbying firm Weber Shandwick, which does PR for big healthcare and pharmaceutical firms.
      49. John Redwood – former Cabinet Minister

      Advised the private equity company which runs Pharmacy2u, the UK’s largest dedicated internet and mail order pharmacy.
      50. Jacob Rees-Mogg

      Partner of Somerset Capital Management LLP, which has healthcare investor Redwood Emerging Markets Dividend Income Fund as a client.

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      51. Sir Malcolm Rifkind – former Foreign Secretary

      Chairman of advisory board at L.E.K. Consulting LLP, which helps private healthcare firms identify “new business development” and “opportunities with the Government”.
      52. Amber Rudd – Energy Minister

      Received £3,000 from hedge fund baron Andrew Law, a major investor in healthcare firms.
      53. David Ruffley

      Received £10,000 in donations from Caroline Nash, wife of former Care UK chairman John Nash.
      54. Mark Simmonds – former Foreign Minister

      Was paid £50,000 a year as a “strategic adviser” to Circle Health.
      55. Chris Skidmore

      Received £3,500 for speeches to STAC Consultancy, which specialises in the launch of pharmaceutical products.
      56. Julian Smith

      Received a £2,500 donation from Principle Healthcare Ltd in September 2014.
      57. Nicholas Soames

      Received £2,000 from asset manager Crispin Odey, a major investor in Circle.
      58. John Stanley

      Consultant on financial services to FIL Investment Management Ltd, which invests in healthcare.
      59. Andrew Tyrie – select committee chairman

      Attended the Ryder Cup as Secretary of the Parliamentary Golf Society, with travel and accommodation paid for by U.S. healthcare services company Humana Europe.
      60. Robin Walker:

      His office received a £2,000 donation from Redwood Care Homes, which owns multiple care homes.
      61. David Willetts – former Universities Minister

      Has shares in Sensortec, a company that owns Vantix which was working on a contract for a new product to detect MRSI.
      62. Rob Wilson

      Had registered shares in Vital Imaging, a private screening company.
      63. Tim Yeo

      Also attended the 2008 Ryder Cup, courtesy of Humana Europe.
      64. Nadhim Zahawi

      Non-executive director of recruitment company SThree, which specialises in the Ppharmaceutical and biotechnology sector.

      Getty Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg accompanied by shadow chancellor Vince Cable

      65. Menzies Campbell – former leader

      Non-executive director of Scottish American Investment Company plc, which took over one of the care homes when Southern Cross collapsed.
      66. Vince Cable – Business Secretary

      Received a donation of £2,000 from Chartwell Care Services, which is 100% owned by Chartwell Health & Care PLC. It also owns Chartwell Private Hospitals plc, which provide day case surgery to NHS patients.
      67. Nick Clegg – Deputy Prime Minister

      Received a donation to his constituency office for £5,000 from Alpha Medical Consultancy.
      68. Simon Hughes – Justice Minister

      Received £60,000 donation to his constituency party from the founder of Alpha Hospitals, a private hospital firm.
      69. Robert Smith

      Has shares in pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline.
      70. Jo Swinson – Business Minister

      Received a donation of £2,000 September 2013 from private optician firm, Peter Ivins Eye Care.

      THE HEALTH OF MILLIONS SECONDARY TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL GAIN

  282. overburdenddonkey

    ‘But now Ministers must listen. I have been calling for an overhaul of the Work Capability Assessment; this report shows how desperately it is needed.’ they’re playing games geoff….the wca needs to be scrapped it serves no purpose, accept to create animosity, distress, and force claimants to prove need even though gp et al have agreed with claimants position…

  283. “EXTRAVAGANCE ONE CO PILOT AND HIS WARPED BACKERS”

  284. “KNOCKING DOWN WALLS TO ACCOMODATE HUMAN BEINGS”

    Alan Rogers, Managing Director of Cobalt Housing is championing a scheme to beat the bedroom tax levy by converting 3 bedroom houses to 2, the idea is to help people who have to be financially conscious. Pictured: Sean Hampson and Mark Hodson working on the property on Eldersfield Road, Croxteth. Photo by Ian Cooper

    A Liverpool housing group has been knocking down walls to provide smaller homes for people who cannot afford the bedroom tax.

    Cobalt Housing operates mainly in Croxteth and Norris Green and say that, since the tax, demand for many of their houses has dropped.

    As 70% of their 6,000 properties are three-bedrooms, they are now converting these to two-bedroom houses to fill empty properties.

    Managing director, Alan Rogers, told the ECHO they were struggling as people couldn’t afford houses or didn’t qualify, as children under 10 were expected to share rooms.

    He said: “Empty properties in the area present a problem for us as they are open to vandalism and they quickly become uncared for and derelict. If people saw loads of ‘tinned-up’ properties, they wouldn’t buy and we don’t get income from empty properties.”

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/housing-association-knocks-down-walls-10479609

    • “THE NEW HOLOCAUST, CONSERVATIVE EUGENICS POLICY”

      Tories insist ‘callous’ appraisals of severely disabled must go on
      November 21st, 2015 – 12:00 am Janice Burns
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      SOCIAL Justice Secretary Alex Neil has hit out at the “callous” response from the UK government after he called for the severely disabled to be exempt from distressing work capability assessments.

      He wrote to Minister for Disabled People Justin Tomlinson citing the case highlighted in The National over the past few months of severely disabled Stuart Chester and urged him to stop these assessments for people like him whose health condition will never improve.

      However, in a letter of reply Neil was told that people like Stuart “cannot be exempted from attending periodic work capability assessments” and it was stated there was support in place to “ease the whole process”.

      Neil said: “I think it is wrong and cruel to put people with life-long conditions like Stuart’s and his family through the stress and anxiety of these assessments when it is quite clear his condition will never improve and he will never be fit for work.

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      John Mason · University of Life
      reminds you of what was happening in 1930’s germany
      Like · Reply · 9 · 21 November 2015 04:13
      Ginnette Hargreaves-Lees
      This does indeed. Remind me of 1930’s Germany.
      Like · Reply · 5 · 21 November 2015 08:34
      Linda Taylor
      This recently happened to my son who is also severely disabled, he is 25 yrs old and cannot sit unaided, weight bare, speak, feed himself, has many medical problems including a terminal illness and we have to go through this every 2 years, I have told the DWP that the 20 page form they send do not relate to someone who is so severely disabled, It took me 6 hrs to complete for my son as I had to explain in detail that he couldn’t do anything (at all) for himself, there was no tick box for people with very Complex needs and Severely Profound disablities, my son will never improve and has remained like a baby since birth, I have wrote explaining this to them but they never respond, this time I have taken photo’s of each completed page of the form and will copy it word for word when they drop through the letter box again in 2 years time and will continue there after.
      Like · Reply · 2 · 23 hrs
      Carole Herbster
      That is exactly what is going on
      Like · Reply · 1 · 10 hrs
      Marta Falco
      having worked with special needs children I am shocked and deeply saddened that my country is doing this to these lovely people. Thye don’t need to be punished, they need our support and this government is heartless and I long for their passing.

  285. “THE MOST HEINOUS PIECE OF SHIT TO TRAVERSE THE BOWELS OF WESTMINSTER”

  286. paultheswineherd

    Geoff – an excellent and very revealing set of articles and pictures that you have put on. Also, I was under the impression that the DWP had, by law (!) to finally reveal ALL of their deaths/suicide/claimant figures to the Information Commissioner by the end of November 2015.
    If so, then we await the figures with great interest – or are they once again going to be ‘let off’ by the ever crooked and corrupt ‘establishment’?

      • “NORFOLK AND SUFFOLK HEALTH TRUSTS SUPPRESS DEATHS IN THEIR CARE”

        We challenged Gary Page, the Chair of Norfolk and Suffolk NHS Foundation Trust (NSFT), to publish NSFT’s data on unexpected deaths after his report to the NSFT Board stated he was “concerned” at the increase in unexpected community deaths from 95 in 2013-14 to 130 in 2014-15. On the same day Gary Page refused to publish, another person died, this time an inpatient on Thurne Ward at Hellesdon Hospital: the ratio of in-patient serious untoward incidents per 10,000 bed days at NSFT has increased by 53 per cent in a single year. Serious Incidents have increased by 41 per cent. People in crisis continue to be let down and suffer life-changing injuries as a result of NSFT’s cuts and the underfunding of mental health services by Norfolk and Suffolk’s seven CCGs.

        Our campaign was founded by mental health professionals concerned about what they believed were deaths that would have been prevented before NSFT began closing and cutting mental health services as part of its ‘radical redesign’. Evidence from the National Confidential Inquiry into Suicide and Homicide by People with Mental Illness shows that when specialist teams are closed, the suicide rate is higher:

        http://norfolksuffolkmentalhealthcrisis.org.uk/kept-in-the-dark-artists-impression-of-chart-showing-increasing-unexpected-deaths-among-those-who-rely-on-nsft/

        • “CHARGING CLAIMANTS TO APPEAL BENEFIT CUTS?”

          THE NEW “LOW” IN CONSERVATIVE STRATEGY TO SILENCE THE STRUGGLING MASSES………..

          freedom of information request, suggests Tory ministers have not abandoned the idea of charging for benefit appeals, despite the proposal causing controversy when a DWP document was leaked to the Guardian in February 2014, with benefits experts and campaigners labelling the idea a “disgrace”.

          The latest memo summarises the advantages and risks of introducing the policy, but civil servants insist it is not government policy.

          A DWP spokesman said the extract was “drafted by staff before the last election in case this issue was raised by a new government”.

          He said the issue “was not raised by the new government and does not represent government policy”, while the document has not been “shown to, sent to, or seen by ministers” since the new government was elected.

          But there will still be alarm among disabled campaigners and benefit claimants that such a policy was being discussed within the department just a few months ago, particularly with next week’s spending review set to reveal swingeing new spending cuts across government, including within DWP and the Ministry of Justice, which runs the tribunals service.

          Anita Bellows, a researcher with Disabled People Against Cuts, said: “Most people going to appeal have already gone through the hoops of mandatory reconsideration, and because of this the number of claimants appealing to tribunals has dropped considerably, and in some cases, such as with ESA appeals, almost disappeared.”

          http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/proposals-to-charge-for-benefit-appeals-have-not-gone-away-dwp-admits/

          • “CARRY ON KILLING”

            ………..ANOTHER NOTCH ON DUNKO THE CLOWN’S BELT

            A few days ago Donald Smith sent me the order of service from his daughter’s funeral.

            Inside, the 89-year old wrote that Angela was “a victim of this government’s repressive measures against­ disabled people ”.

            After decades of being unable to work due to severe mental health problems, he said Angela believed she faced a “fit for work test”.

            It’s Donald’s view that this triggered an episode of deep depression.

            And he added that with local mental health services desperately overstretched there was no one to “hear her continual cries for help”.

            In early September Angela took her own life – just as she had told doctors she was going to do. Her father, a former factory worker, had also been to her GP to beg for help.

            “I told them, my daughter is suicidal and going downhill,” Donald said.

            “It took five weeks for someone to come and see Angela and tell her she had exceeded the amount of help she was entitled to. The response was totally inadequate and totally pathetic.”

            This week, a shocking study from Oxford and Liverpool universities linked tougher “fit for work” tests to 590 suicides.

            http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/funeral-mentally-ill-woman-who-6864969

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