Sickness benefit claimants with a mental health condition who have been forced to attend the Work Programme should not have their benefits sanctioned without a face to face meeting first the DWP have finally admitted.
This important clarification, which could mean many people have been wrongly sanctioned, was finally published in an amendment to the Work Programme Provider Guidance. This is the rule book that companies running the Work Programme must follow and last week a new chapter was added detailing the procedures for safeguarding so-called vulnerable claimants.
According to the guidance, claimants of the main sickness and disability benefit Employment Support Allowance only, who have “mental health conditions or learning disabilities or conditions affecting communication/cognition” must not be referred for a sanction without safeguarding activity being carried out. This means a home visit if necessary to establish a face to face conversation to ensure that the participant understands the reason they have been sanctioned. If this face to face contact does not happen, or if the Work Programme provider believes the claimant did not understand the requirement to carry out mandated activity, then a sanction referral must not take place.
These rules, which also apply to Jobcentre busy-bodies hoping to sanction sick and disabled people’s benefits, are not new. However they were previously only published in internal Jobcentre documents and only came to light due to a Freedom of Information request. It is likely that this is the first time many Work Programme providers have even heard of them. Anecdotal evidence has repeatedly warned of people only finding out they have been sanctioned when they check their bank balances and find out they don’t have any money. The number of sickness and disability claimants who have had their benefits sanctioned is soaring, with almost 125,000 sanctions applied since new rules came into place. Some of those sanctions should not have been applied. How many is anybody’s guess.
Whilst these safeguarding rules will mean it is now harder for Work Programme companies to sanction people’s benefits, many claimants will not relish the prospect of some A4e dickhead turning up at their front door to interrogate them about why they didn’t attend workfare. The best piece of advice? Never answer the fucking door to any cunt with a clipboard.
You can download the safeguarding rules at: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/427708/wp-pg-chap-4b-v1.pdf
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I have sent this by email tracked and habnd delivered the letter below.
check this out…
Title [Claimant’s guidance for DWP advisors]
Copies to:
• PCS London
• Parliamentary & Health Service Ombudsman
• xxxxxxxxxxx MP
• I.C.E
• Floor Manager JCP Chatham
REF: xxxxxxxx C
Dated: 20.05.2015
Dear DWP Chatham,
I am writing this letter to clear a few things up with regards to your advisors claiming all sorts of nonsense and frequently lecturing me on things they seem to know very little about, so I would like to clear this up once and for all.
1#
I have been told that for not signing a claimant commitment while on a Jsag (disputed changes not rectified) I would be sanctioned, I argue this matter and state please provide this in writing, which inevitably does not get issued. I argue that I do not have to accept this CC as I’m not on UC and cannot be sanctioned for not complying while on JSA.
2#
I have been told I must give my universal jobmatch account details over as conditionality for receipt of benefit, as my written job-search is not good enough. I argue this and state please provide in writing, which inevitably does not get issued.
3#
I have been told I must use UJM or god could send my claim to a DM based on not complying. I argue this and ask for this in writing, which inevitably does not get issued.
Please note: For security reasons UJM is not fit for purpose and please read the following:
Universal Jobmatch Wooden NORA winner!!!!
Universal Jobmatch was judged the worst online jobs website at a recent industry awards ceremony.
The government job-seeking website, which has been plagued by spam, scams and spoof vacancies, won the ‘Wooden Nora’ at last week’s National Online Recruitment Awards. 730 online recruitment websites were considered for awards with Universal Jobmatch being judged the worst. According to The Guardian’s Diary the website was described as a “mongrel of a recruitment website” that “commits almost every online recruitment crime, and then some.”
Universal Jobmatch was designed at huge cost – believed to be approaching almost £20 million. Despite this the site has been plagued by technical problems as well as becoming home to thousands of flaky self-employment schemes, pyramid scams and fake job adverts used to harvest CVs and even commit identity theft. It is hard to understand how Monster, the company paid to produce the website, could have produced something so atrocious that it is a laughing stock amongst recruitment professionals.
The mystery of this sheer incompetence deepens with the news that Monster themselves won an award for the best online recruitment website at last week’s awards. It’s almost as if they took the money and deliberately bungled Universal Jobmatch to ensure there would be no effective competition to their main business from the DWP.
There are a multitude of reasons to condemn this mish-mash of a recruitment website. Built by serious job board professionals, (and multiple NORA Winners) Monster, but poorly specified by civil servants at the government Department for Work and Pensions, this website commits almost every online recruitment crime, and then some. The domain isn’t even UniversalJobMatch.com!
4#
I had my Jsag changed by Beverley without any explanation as to why as the original showed enough for compliance and this was just to force me to use UJM, this has also been raised now recently at my last interview (not my work coach) and told that I could face a sanction for not complying with my Jsag.
Now your advisors state certain legislation and rules and love to use the words SANCTION & DECISION MAKER to bully and fraudulently by misrepresentation force acceptance.
These words are not to be taken or used lightly as they have a devastating impact on claimant’s lives, quality of life, losing homes, starving and not just adults but children.
We nearly lost our home due to misleading actions by DWP, HMRC and HB which have now been cleared up after a lot of stress, hassle and a near family breakdown.
Please see below for excerpts from FOI requests answered by your FOI team:
1# A :
Claimant Commitment /JSA
“It is important to note that whilst the Claimant Commitment will replace the existing product for the claimant group agreed for roll-out, it will for legislative purposes act as the Jobseeker’s Agreement and claimant acceptance of it will not be a condition of entitlement for JSA as it will be for Universal Credit.
” http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/5264/ “From October, around 100 jobcentres a month will begin using the Claimant Commitment with new jobseekers, until it is in place across the country.”
2# A:
Actively Seeking Employment
(para)76. We cannot specify to a JSA claimant how they provide us with records of their jobsearch activity and Universal Jobmatch will not change this – it is not therefore possible to require JSA claimants to give DWP access to their Universal Jobmatch account.
3# A:
I have provided evidence that shows my CV publicly on UJM and (Mark. E) witnessed this last year and accepted this information.
4# A:
Jsag Compliance / Sanction
The JSAg is not a contract and it is not binding on the claimant or DWP – there is no penalty to the claimant if they fail to abide by it.
Jsag Law
What does the law – the Jobseeker’ Act actually say….
The duty to actively seek work is not to be found in the job seekers agreement but in S7 of the jobseeker’s Act. S7(1), which provides:
“a person is actively seeking work if he takes in that week such steps as he could reasonably be expected to have to take in order to have the best prospects of securing employment.”
More detail is set out in regulation 18 of the Regulations. Regulation 18(1) provides that:
“… a person shall be expected to have to take more than two steps in any week unless taking one or two steps is all that is reasonable for that person to do in that week.”
Regulation 18 says that a person shall be expected to have to take more than two steps in any week unless taking one or two steps is all that is reasonable for that person to do in that week. This means that for most people the bare minimum number of steps that can be agreed to comply with Section 7 of the Act is three. However, for the majority of claimants three steps will not give them the best prospects of securing employment.
Mr Commissioner Williams held at para 10 & 14 of CJSA/1814/2007 (case law) – Precedent
“That is illustrated by this appeal. C was required by his Agreement to take 6 steps each week and several other steps from time to time. That is clearly more steps than the regulation requires of him to meet the test of “actively seeking work”. And it is more steps than the Agreement asked him to record. On the facts, the secretary of state’s representative now accepts that C took four steps in the week and that those four steps met the test in section 7(1).”
“Further, there is nothing in the Act or the Regulations requiring that a claimant must comply with everything in the Agreement. The reverse is the case. The agreement must comply with the law. To be valid, a jobseeker’s agreement must comply “with the prescribed regulations in force”: section 9(1) of the Act. The pattern of the legislation is that a jobseeker’s agreement must comply with the test of actively seeking work in sections 1(2)(c) and 7 of the Act and regulation 18 of the Regulations and not the other way round.”
Using this piece of case law the appeal was allowed, because the judge determined John (the appellant) was actively seeking work as per section 7 of the Jobseeker’ Act 1995 and he took significantly more than 2 steps to in order to have the best prospects of seeking work (Reg. 18 JSA Regs 1996)!
What does this outcome mean?
This result confirms that Jobseeker Allowance claimants are unwittingly agreeing to unreasonable, thus unlawful Jobseeker Agreements (soon to become JSA Claimant Commitments) and, as a result
1000s are being sanctioned unfairly.
Can you see where I’m going with this?
Now there are two possible reasons I hear this misleading guidance / lecture from DWP advisors in Chatham.
1# Poorly trained
2# Knowingly misrepresenting the facts which is in fact by all three counts:
1. FRAUD BY FALSE REPRESENTATION
2. FRAUD BY FAILING TO DISCLOSE INFORMATION
3. FRAUD BY ABUSE OF POSITION
Fraud Act 2006…Chapter 35
Count one:
Fraud by False Representation
(1)A person is in breach of this section if he—
(a)dishonestly makes a false representation, and
(b)intends, by making the representation—
(i)to make a gain for himself or another, or
(ii)to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.
(2)A representation is false if—
(a)it is untrue or misleading, and
(b)the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.
(3)“Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of—
(a)the person making the representation, or
(b)any other person.
(4)A representation may be express or implied.
(5)For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).
Count 2:
Fraud by failing to disclose information
A person is in breach of this section if he—
(a) dishonestly fails to disclose to another person information which he is under a legal duty to disclose, and
(b) intends, by failing to disclose the information—
(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or
(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.
Count 3:
Fraud by abuse of position
(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—
(a) occupies a position in which he is expected to safeguard, or not to act against, the financial interests of another person,
(b) dishonestly abuses that position, and
(c) intends, by means of the abuse of that position—
(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or
(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.
(2) A person may be regarded as having abused his position even though his conduct consisted of an omission rather than an act.
I have been witness to all three counts and not just on me either.
I am now in the process of trying to go Self Employed but HMRC are holding this up due to non-response to my letters with regards to them requiring my tax returns for 2007-2015 for which I was unemployed so as a result they have fined me £5,000 plus . I have asked for DWP to supply information with regards to proof of my receipt of benefits for this period but they have not been able to provide this. Also now Mr Osborne has changed the goalposts halfway through the EAS system it now poses more obstacles and issues as people now on it will find out to their peril.
I will not be using EAS as my daughter went through that process and was forced off JSA only to find that after 12 weeks she still had not been able to start up as EAS advisors gave the worst advice ever and created obstacles to securing her loan application by not even being able to give the correct business advice like tax, vat, even the Business plan & Cash flow forecast were rejected by the loan team as not good enough. I eventually helped my daughter with the Business Plan & CFF and she was approved in the first instance… Just another company setup to make money off the unemployed…
Now I have also heard the famous “35hrs search” (CC) used and abused for sanctions, this is also incorrect, *its job search quality that counts not the time spent on it. The number of hours spent on job search is irrelevant. If you disagree with those comments *above, they are taken from your own CC guidance..
I do hope this is clear enough for your team at Chatham JCP and I must say some advisors are better than others, so does that mean discretion is allowed?
Lastly It seems to me that I the claimant are more suitably informed than the advisors who are helping me into work, can you see the irony…
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I am not on ESA,rather JSA but I am amazed how the Providers/DWP/JCP do not follow the Guidance issued to them,the so called Advisers are clueless,as a Layman I find it frustrating that I have to correct them regarding what actually should happen,FFS they are being paid to know this £hite!
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How many people died over these nasty policies in the nasty way they were done? If we could see that mass blanket-bombing of sanctions against everyone without checking first was going to cost lives, how could IDS and the DWP not? Oh, silly me, he did, he just didn’t give a sh*t.
What the sick, disabled and vulnerable of this country need now is a class action suit on behalf of every man, woman and child who suffered – the living and the dead – against that bastard IDS and his henchmen at DWP – but not through our corrupt so-called “justice” system bought and paid for by TPTB – straight to the European Court of Human Rights.
Quick, before they get rid of that too.
Steven Preece, who runs Welfare Weekly, has stated:
You would have to sue the DWP itself, or to be more precise the Government. Jobcentre staff are representatives and are, as it goes, ‘only doing their job’. However, anybody be can sued, including the government, if it can be proved they have been neglectful in their duties and responsibilities. To date, no one has legally been able to prove negligence against the government to this extent, but there’s always time. The Government has a great deal of immunities, and can cite ‘financial privilege’ and other terms. It’s probable that you would have to sue as an individual who has been ‘wronged’. Class lawsuits are exceptionally difficult and very few lawyers would even consider taking them on.
Thank you Samuel, I’m just so concerned for all those out there who cannot fight for themselves for any number of reasons and perhaps now alone in the world so they have no-one to stand beside them or up for them against the relentlessness of Tory “austerity”. All those years pain & anguish and suddenly there are billions of pounds to throw around to win an election?
Sanctions are barbaric have NO PLACE in the benefits system. There is no such thing as a specific group of vulnerable claimants: Any individual human being suffering a sanction is vulnerable by definition. Sanctions destroy human beings, because that is what we are talking about, human beings, from the inside-out. If you haven’t got a physical, mental or emotional problems before a sanction you sure as hell will after being deprived of the vitals of life for months… years on end. A country which is comfortable with its citizens being starved to death is an abomination.
I agree; as soon as you say ‘unjust sanctions’ you imply that they’re fundamentally just. Under human rights law (while we still have it) everyone is entitled to a decent income and a home; you don’t have to be disabled or mentally ill. Of course if you are, you should receive special consideration, but even with that principle accepted in theory, as soon as you’re in a means-tested, conditional system, in practice you’re on the defensive and likely to be cheated.
Not only is anyone suffering a sanction vulnerable by definition, as you say; anyone who has to claim benefits is vulnerable by definition, because the person has no other, or inadequate, income and has to beg for it from the government.
All means-testing, conditional systems lead to helplessness and abuse; that’s why we need a citizen’s income.
Cameron is by and large blowing smoke over the Human Rights Act. It will in practice prove incredibly difficult to remove it, as not only does it have to get past the Commons and the Lords, (moderately easy, it has to be said) but also the Welsh Assembly, the Scottish Parliament and also the Northern Ireland Assembly, where, it has to be remembered, it is part of the Good Friday Agreement.
I don’t think that Cardiff Bay, Hollyrood or Stormont will be quite as pliable over this as Cocky Cameron seems to think.
He’d also have to consider that he’d be going completely against the rest of Europe, including Russia, which has also signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights, and shows no inclination to move away from it. The Tories, in their utter stupidity, seem to think that it’s something to do with the European Union, but it’s actually completely separate. Come to think of it, if it’s to do with our human rights, then it’s actually pretty inconceivable that they can be removed, as if they are rights, then they are, in theory at least, inalienable, i.e. cannot be removed, even if we ‘agree’ to them being removed.
I don’t doubt for a moment that the Tories will continue in this insane campaign, but it could at the very least occupy them so much that they won’t be putting their energies into stuff that has a chance of succeeding and ruining our lives much more. The sad thing to consider is how much money they will waste on this hair-brained venture… As much as has been wasted on that other fiasco in waiting, Universal Credit?
Yeah, Camoron/Gove will turn round in another five years and say something like: “We encountered insurmountable problems in our government’s endeavours to free our great country from the shackles of human rights. Soz ’bout that 😦 but we did do our best 🙂 ” … and after wasting a fucking fortune of hard-working taxpayers’ money on fees for ‘lawyers’, ‘constitutionalist experts’….
…. and a few billion quid on fucking ‘IT systems’…
… better Gove wasting his time on this ‘oakem picking’ human rights bullcrap than sat around the table at the DWP dreaming up more ways to torture the most vulnerable members of our society…
Exactly how ‘able-bodied’ is anyone going to be trying survive on a diet of value sausages and 16p cans of potatoes for up to 3 years? Wouldn’t be long before they were entitled to ‘special consideration’ through either mental or physical illness if death didn’t get them first.
Excellent point!
Being seeing more and more people just keeling over in the street for no apparent reason, and it usually ends with an ambulance being called as they have whacked their head on something. But this is what happens when you can’t eat properly; your body just stops functioning both physically and mentally. It is OK to have a ‘value meal’ every once and a while as a ‘special treat’ but you can’t eat nutritionally empty food day in day out with suffering life-threatening consequences. It is like that guy on the LBC phone-in who was in tears as he told the presenter that by job centre actions how he has been forced to living on nothing but value sausages and some potatoes when he could afford it.
Are all JSA claimants not at risk from sanctions due to the below subsistence income level of benefits, an able-bodied claimant can be at much risk as a disabled claimant and in some cases more so.
The able-bodied unemployed claimants live off far less than the disabled.
All that is needed IMHO is for the claimant to say they are confused and do not understand the actions they are asking, while at the same time covertly recording, then IMHO no sanction can be applied. If you record this then they sanction you, you can then take the JC+ to task about them raising a sanction doubt by emailing the DWP/JC+ a transcript of the WFI or JSA APPOINTMENT, and a file of the recording, you refer to yourself in the transcript as the claimant and the other person as the adviser or personal adviser.
It’s over 27 months since I had a WFI which lasted just 3 minutes, I was put into WRAG again in July 2013 but have not had one WFI since Feb 2013 as I think they know I record but don’t want to cause a scene by coming out and asking me in the JC+.
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culling the stock rtu ids commands it jeff3
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The regime once again failing in any real sense of a “duty of care” in relation to safeguarding vulnerable social security recipients….
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I know there’s a snowflakes chance in hell of this happening under this government, but I hope one day, the civil servants and associated toerags responsible for sanctioning the mentally ill and people with learning and cognitive disabilities are taken to court and made to take resonsibility for what has been going on in recent years.
They will never face justice for what they’ve done. They will hide behind Parliament, their position as ministers and MP’s and avoid punishment like that. They will trot out excuse after excuse as to why they did what they did.
Bottom line though is that they have Parliament and expensive lawyers to get them out of nasty situations like this.
I wish that we could get IDS, Fraud, McVile, Cameron et al. on trial for their horrible crimes but know in my heart it will never happen.
yes but morals and being capable are to different things we all know most of the jc advisor have no morals but there is no law in the land that can find them individually capable for a persons death.
The theme-track to IDS’s life: Psycho Killer
I can’t seem to face up to the facts
I’m tense and nervous and I can’t seem to relax
When I appear on the Andrew Marr Show
I can’t seem to face up to the facts
I’m tense and nervous and I can’t relax
Every time I appear on the Andrew Marr Show
Cos I am a psycho killer
And I know it
I want to run, run away
– Iain Duncan Smith’s Sweaty Arse
I have anxiety, and depression as well as my physical issues.if anyone from the dwp comes to my house i will probably have a panic attack, because the DWP is the one that caused my depression and anxiety.. have had break downs on the phone to the dwp, even one of the advisers on the phone called me back because he was so worried about me.
This is an abomination of Human Rights! This, I find is becoming the norm, and these Bastards should be ousted from power, pronto. For God sake, how many more citizens have to commit suicide or lose their lives, as a direct result of Welfare Reform?
I have a 16 year old homeless boy living with myself and my children, he is starving (was)! due to his (very physically/mentally ill single mum),
she was evicted through, not being able to cope with this Govt. Welfare Reform. Any sane person can actually see this person IS NOT FIT FOR WORK! This System is totally broken and not fit for
purpose.
All claimants are vulnerable. Anyone facing starvation imminent homelessness is vulnerable. It is not for a jcp desk jockey to judge who is ‘vulnerable’ and who is not. It is patently ridiculous to assume that anyone is capable of enduring life-crushing circumstances with no negative consequences. Everyone has their own ‘coping mechanisms’; some may remain stoic, some may laugh it off: “Starvation and homelessness, could be a lot worse :D”, but know one really ever knows what is going on inside someone else’s head-space. It is like those always laughing-and-joking life-and-soul- of-the-party type who are suddenly and without warning found hanging from the rafters.
Having worked with homeless people I know that it has deep effects on even strong people. Rarely are those who are homeless the stoic get-up-and-go self-starters who don’t remain homeless for long. Most are already damaged people to start off with; being homeless just makes things worse. Some may be dependent on drugs or alcohol before becoming homeless, but the majority of homeless people who are dependent on drugs or alcohol have become so because of being homeless, and I don’t mean roofless (as in sofa surfers, or people who are fortunate enough to have accessed a hostel place early on) but those who have become, and spent some time as street homeless where drink or drugs are almost an essential part of a coping strategy.
The arseholes who want to visit yet more misery on the poor and vulnerable, (and the two go together) need to take a good look in the mirror, as even they could find themselves out on the street. Fortunes change, shit happens, and wham! You are left with nothing. This is why we need a decent social security system, a decent health care system and a properly organised system to help people who have hit rock bottom in the multiple ways that so many homeless people have.
The UK can afford it, after all, it’s the sixth largest economy in the world and is literally afloat with money – just in the wrong places.
Certain illnesses which can affect cognition do not present in a way which can be reliably detected by an amateur. This legislation effectively places the job centre clerk in the position of diagnosing conditions which are not simple to diagnose on one single encounter for those who are trained and experienced in a relevant discipline. It therefore seems that the guidelines themselves are negligent. Mental conditions are not the only ones which are not always evident and simple to diagnose to the layman, but these would seem to be the ones under scrutiny here.
This just smacks of the disabled lobby trying to use their wheelchairs as a shield and arouse sympathy in order to ‘exempt’ themselves from the sanctions regime. And the ‘able-bodied’ can go to Hell! with an I’m all right Jack 😉 attitude.
Do it to the ‘able-bodied’… 😉
value
the grass is greener, eh!…
no!
there is now a massive layer of proving need, sanctions, and conditionality, blockading the rights of every type and description of benefit claimant…for more rights info see… http://edinburghagainstpoverty.org.uk/
in this vid, right @ the start, prof allyson pollock explains the reasons behind the welfare state and the song and dance made to try to prevent it’s foundation… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz5dl9fhj7o
so the most vulnerable, should be ignored, ALL sanctions are evil, for everyone.. people with medical and mental health issues are more likely to kill themselves than people with a support network of friends.. So are we supposed to let the people in the more dire need hang and let them kill themselves, Value perhaps you think the sick and disabled are a waste of skin and shouldnt get any help at all.. perhaps you want them exterminated..
Don’t see anyone arguing that the disabled should be exterminated. But do see people arguing that sanctions should be removed from the welfare system – without exception. It is not about arguing for “concessions” and “exemptions” for specific self-interested groups. Sanctions are a cancer on the very fabric of society – nobody, absolutely nobody should be deprived of the vitals of life. Can you not see that?
I see just like their master rtu ids with his armed guards at parliament sideroom his police guards weapons pointing at the wheelchairs of those listening in hum one better open ones eyes further has that fate can bring one down to earth jeff3
OT: Well the Banker Rats true colours are emerging [USA Centric view – but how long before accepted in UK?] Work the Peons to Death…
“HSBC says there is no traditional stimulus left and the only hope is structural reforms and increased retirement ages”
Click to access RDV
HSBC has a report “The World Economy’s Titanic Problem” which indicates that in the event of a future recession, the world economy has run out of traditional stimulus. HSBC Chief Economist Stephen King says the US Federal Reserve has had to cut rates by over 500 basis points to right the ship in each of the recessions since the early 1970s.
Budget deficits are still uncomfortably large and debt levels uncomfortably high: while the US fiscal position has improved, it remains structurally weak.
We investigate the options for policymakers given this shortage of traditional ammunition, including:
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(vi) pushing interest rates higher through structural reforms designed to lower excess savings, most obviously via increases in retirement age.
We conclude that only the final option (vi) is likely to lead to economic success. Politically, however, it seems implausible. As a result, we are faced with a serious shortage of effective policy lifeboats.
As for plausible recession triggers, we highlight four major risks:
1) a rise in US wages which leads to a falling profit share and a major equity decline
2) a series of systemic failures within the non-bank financial sector
3) a major weakening of the Chinese economy, sending shockwaves around the world; and
4) a premature attempt by the Federal Reserve to normalise monetary policy, in a repeat of the mistakes made by the Bank of Japan in 2000 and, more recently, by the European Central Bank in 2011.
[I Have copied over the above ‘Triggers’ so people are aware there could well be another Money Shock caused by these twits known as Bankers, Lords of the Universe.]
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……valuebeans ……how dare you say that about disabled people……who are you……shitty little cunt…….everyone’s backed into the corner…..and you come out with that …..vile bitterness…..against the most vulnerable….cunty little bitch…..fuck off…….sorry about my language everyone but it has to be said.
… and why should the ‘able bodied’ be targeted for fucking sanctions?… you shitty little cunt…. fuck off… sanctions are pure fucking evil… nobody, absolutely nobody should be fucking sanctioned…. and we do hear disabled people, not all , but do hear some disabled people blame jobseekers for their woes…. they are openly support of workfare… for jobseekers… and argue that jsa should be abolished and given over to the disabled… bollocks to this more vulnerable than this bullshit… this is going back to new labour when if you weren’t in a ‘vulnerable’ category you were expected to starve to death…. at least we don’t have this bullshit under the tories…. david clapson (rip) wouldn’t have been classed as ‘vulnerable’… he would have been classed as ‘able-bodied’… ok, for human beings like him to be left to die?… at least the tories are ‘fairer’ with their scatter-gun in who they target for sanctioning in that if you move (or maybe even can’t) they will fucking sanction you… if you are going to sanctioning anyone…. you should be sanctioning everyone… not group or individuals should be left alone and isolated to be picked off for sanctioning… end sanctions – WITHOUT EXCEPTION!!
dune
yes, there are some sick and disabled people who support the system, from what i’ve read of his posts damo, does not support sanctions…and yes you’re right, end sanctions without exception…. http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/monitoring/socialcharter/Conclusions/State/UKXX2_en.pdf articale 12 uk benefits manifestly inadequate….
Yeah, it is bad when you hear disabled people espousing Nazi views, condemning jobseekers, suggesting the removal of unemployment benefits, supporting workfare… but then again, disabled people are just people and all people have good and bad in them, and being disabled doesn’t make anyone a tolerant or compassionate person in any sense… Reminds me of an aunt who was always lambasting the unemployed even though she had spent years and years on the dole herself! Nowt funnier than folk as we in Yorkshire say 🙂
Think this was years and years on the dole before she retired… don’t think she did a days work in her life, you gotta laff 🙂
Its abundantly clear where the disabled are treated by those in power and this has fed down to attitudes in society.With aggressive intolerant and impatient behavior becoming common. The worry is now for those on indefinite DLA awards becoming targets for these cuts as applications for PIP are due to start in October with inevitable resulting mass appeals being lodged.
Simply saying that those who cannot prepare a meal with fresh ingredients and having to use a microwave will lose entitlement is ridiculous as its obviously clear there will be other multiple areas too.
DWP in dirty tricks row after abusive comments about disabled ex-MP
http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-in-dirty-tricks-row-after-abusive-comments-about-disabled-ex-mp/
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This article provides good advice for anyone who might be under the threat of a sanction. Anything that can stop the JCP or these Agencies from sanctioning people is a plus. Keep spreading the information.
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250 hours ‘unpaid work’ – less than a third of a community work programme order – for taking 2 lives by careless driving
“A woman who caused the death of two leading Scots scientists by careless driving has been ordered to carry out 250 hours of community service.”
Just shows how brutal the job centre sentencing regime is. Maybe jobseekers should appeal their ‘sentences’ to the Sheriff Court – probably get it reduced.
JCP recordings if NE1’s interested.
http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/job-centre/406-bradford-jcp-recordings.html
a f m
neil young’s search continues….are these people stoned headed or stone hearted…
reading these comments,its apparent that c@merons “divide and conquer” is working,please dont let this happen,were nothing if not together,they won by division wether disabled able bodied mentally ill depressed or oppressed infighting plays right into thier hands,theres a lot more to come the agenda now is to turn poor on poor so the likelyhood of mass protest deminishes,please stcick TOGETHER we are all shit under their shoes,i dont think its a coincidence that this document has only just come to light
It is the self- interested disability lobby that is fomenting divide and conquer. It is similar in how the middle-classes operate. Join with other groups to share a common cause but all the while you are sneakily working behind the scenes to win yourself concessions. And once you have won those concessions you ‘splinter’ and leave your erstwhile brothers and sisters in arms whom you used to advance your cause to fight their own battle. It may not be ‘politically correct’ to say so but the cat is so far out of the bag it is obvious, and is has to be said.
I can’t seem to face up to the facts
I’m tense and nervous and I can’t relax
Every time I appear on the Andrew Marr Show
I close my eyes when I am asked a question
Cos I am a psycho killer
And I know it
I want to run, run, run away
– Iain Duncan Smith: Psycho Killer
Iain Duncan Smith: Psycho Killer (Remix)
I can’t seem to face up to the facts
I’m tense and nervous and I can’t relax
Every time I appear on the Andrew Marr Show
I close my eyes when I am asked a question
Je déteste les pauvres
Je déteste les faibles
Je déteste les personnes vulnérables*
Cos I am a psycho killer
And I know it
I want to run, run, run away
– Iain Duncan Smith: Psycho Killer
*I hate the poor
I hate the weak
I hate the vulnerable
i am all right able-bodied jack, keep your hands off of my disability stack. Money, it’s a hit. Don’t give me that do goody good bullshit.
you been moaning on here for the last five years, what;s it achieved?? fuck all! what you going to do rant for another five years, in the hope they listen, lmfao!
intermalager,
lmfao that you have been paying attention for 5 years, Chindit?
internetmalingerer
what’s it it achieved??
You have to be in it to win it.
Why, what have you done, nothing??
disability – new fully furnished house, new car v. able-bodied – hardship payments and eviction.
mr r
most sick and disabled people get nowhere nr the levels of economic stability that you suggest…sick note, assessment phase 13wks + on basic esa £73/wk, then WCA, then found fit for work, then MR (no income), then FtT, then most back to sq 1…g p and hosp appointments, test test and more tests, massive amount of admin and form filling, constant explaining and proving need…dragged down by millstone of proving need…and the fact is the sanctions and conditionality grind able bodied down so as one’s health suffers, and therefore one is no longer able bodied…
My point we are seeing a welfare client base form, a division that was opened by pushing disability as a privileged group by some campaigners. Social security has to be argued as a universal encompassing both able bodied and disabled.
complicated….for me one has to argue that sanctions and conditionality must go and benefits massively increased…as a universal encompassing both able bodied and disabled…..
the problem is vested interest of charities keeping people dependent on them for the charities incomes…they may not see it in their interests for people to be economically indy of them….ie a decent income will solve many, symptoms that are labelled as mh problems…a lot of charities would disappear if people had decent incomes…the management of sufferings is a multi trillion $ industry…
Mr Reckless, please step away from The Daily Mirror.
Edit: That should read..
Mr Reckless, please step away from The Daily Mail
Sorry about that 🙂
Hate to disagree with you, Lucy but Mr R is spot on. It is your own self-interest that prevents you from seeing the woods from the trees.
I see a true christian mr r
‘Sir Malcolm Bruce, Ex Deputy Lib Dem Leader, Admits Lying Politicians Are ‘Widespread’ In Defence Of Alistair Carmichael Leak’
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/26/malcolm-bruce-alistair-carmichael_n_7440076.html?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
the latest parliamentary hot potato…the cat is not only out of the bag, but also among the pigeons…where do we go from here…??
update; people of the orkney and shetland islands have now raised the money to mount a legal process to get the vote 7/5/15 overturned…
http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-second-chance/
Defend Welfare Benefits
Welfare Benefits Help the Poor
Nutcase Neo Liberalism Harms the Poor
It is the Poor who are the Scroungers but the Selfish Rich who
Hoard Wealth are Selfish
It is Not the Poor who are the Scroungers It is the Selfish Rich who are the
Hoarders
It is the Silent Majority who are the Slavery Collaborating Majority Through
My Blood Boils with Rage at what Spineless Selfish Dummies Millions of Sheople out There Are
noop
stop blaming the indoctrinated and start blaming the indctrinatior’s ffs, help set the indoctrinated free….
As Many People as Possible Need to Protest For the Reversing of
Public Spending Cuts and to Stuff Austerity
Real Human Rights is Better
Oppose Universal Credit Support Political Revolution
Tickety | May 25, 2015 at 11:47 am | Reply
This is an abomination of Human Rights! This, I find is becoming the norm, and these Bastards should be ousted from power, pronto. For God sake, how many more citizens have to commit suicide or lose their lives, as a direct result of Welfare Reform?
I have a 16 year old homeless boy living with myself and my children, he is starving (was)! due to his (very physically/mentally ill single mum),
she was evicted through, not being able to cope with this Govt. Welfare Reform. Any sane person can actually see this person IS NOT FIT FOR WORK! This System is totally broken and not fit for
purpose.
What I do Not like about Bank Holidays is that is Doze Time For Apolitical Zombies
The Sheople are None so Blind as Those who will Not See Zombies and Slavery Collaborators as it is but even more so with Bank Holidays
It would be Nice to See some Proper Mass Demonstrations instead of the Tory Trance
Shame on Slavery Collaborators and Slavery Lovers
David Cameron wants to try living off £50 a week. Toffee nosed scumbag.
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