What A Fucking Shambles, Work Programme Still Worse Than Doing Nothing At All

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The dotted line represents the percentage of sick and disabled claimants who would have been expected to get jobs if the Work Programme didn’t exist.

It is astonishing that the ‘minimum expected level’ of people finding jobs on Iain Duncan Smith’s Work Programme is the same as would be expected had he done nothing at all.

What this means is that as long as the Work Programme isn’t making long term unemployment worse then both the DWP and the private sector parasites who run the scheme can claim it is a huge success when in fact it’s nothing of the sort.  It is just not doing any damage.  The problem is that in many cases the Work Programme is not meeting the ‘minimum expected levels’.  It is worse than doing nothing and from the latest figures appears to be creating, not curing long term unemployment amongst some groups.

This has left Iain Duncan Smith with nothing to shout about except for the huge numbers of people who have been forced to waste their time on the scheme.  And so that’s what he’s done today as the latest dismal performance figures are released with a jubilant press release declaring that the Work Programme has ‘helped’ more people than any previous employment scheme.  The truth is that the Work Programme has failed more people than any scheme before at a time when we are constantly being told how many jobs are now available.

Of the one million people who have been sent on the Work Programme over 700,000 were back at the Jobcentre after two years of expert help from companies like G4S, Maximus and A4e.  Only a quarter of those on the programme had a spell of 3-6 months in work – slightly below the ‘minimum expected level’.

This is less than the number of people who would have been expected to get jobs if the Work Programme had never existed.  Tax payers have forked out over a billion pounds for this fiasco.  The suffering of claimant’s sanctioned on the scheme is well documented.  The lives lost little more than human sacrifice – scapegoats for a failing economic system.  If there was any more proof needed that benefit sanction harm rather than help then today’s Work Programme statistics provide it.

For sick and disabled claimants the level of failure is shocking.  Just 3.4% of current claimants of sickness benefits (ESA/IB) who started on the scheme in December 2013 had a spell of at least three months in work a year later.  This is barely a third of the number who would have been expected to get a job under their own steam without any compulsory ‘help’.

Perhaps the most horrifying aspect of the Work Programme is what has happened to all those found ‘fit for work’ by Atos and told to frantically look for work or face their benefits being stopped.  Hundreds of millions has been spent harassing this group of claimants, who in many cases are not really well enough to work at all.  Just 1.5% of this group had found a job lasting over 3 months after completing a year on the scheme in December 2015.

Overall the Work Programme is only performing above minimum levels for mainstream Job Seekers Allowance (JSA) claimants who have been on the scheme a year, and then only by a couple of percent.  There is a dirty fucking trick being played here however.  The most successful group of claimants are ‘other JSA’ which represents around a third of unemployed people sent on the scheme.  Over 20% of this group found work after a year.

Other JSA is largely made up of Early Entrants, which means those referred onto the Work Programme before they had been unemployed for over 12 months.  These are often people who have recently left work and are therefore the most employable claimants.  They are not the people the Work Programme was designed for.  They are also by far the most likely to get jobs on the Work Programme.

Documents leaked onto the internet by bungling A4e showed how Work Programme companies can receive huge payments even when someone has found a job themselves and not even started on the scheme.  All they need to do is make sure the paperwork is filled out correctly.  Jobcentre staff are also under huge pressure to produce job outcomes.  By encouraging the most employable claimants to sign up for the Work Programme then Jobcentre staff get a pat on the head when they inevitably find a job and the company running the scheme gets a cheque in the post.  And Iain Duncan Smith can pretend the Work Programme is doing better than it is. Everybody wins.  Except the tax payer and all those sanctioned or forced into workfare and who were back in the Jobcentre after two years wasted on the disastrous Work Programme.

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334 responses to “What A Fucking Shambles, Work Programme Still Worse Than Doing Nothing At All

  1. Small print of the Budget yesterday –
    2.22 Online Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) – The government will provide Day 1 access to online CBT for 40,000 Employment and Support Allowance and Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants and individuals being supported by Fit for Work, starting from early 2016.
    2.24 Co-locating Improving Access to Psychological Therapies (IAPT) in Jobcentres – The government will begin to co-locate IAPT therapists in over 350 Jobcentres from summer 2015, to provide integrated employment and mental health support to claimants with common mental health conditions. (33)
    And fairly clearly if you won’t join in then you get sanctioned. Given that CBT causes more damage than good for ME, depression and lots of other things the choice between enforced medical “treatment” and starving is going to be a hard one.

    • overburdenddonkey

      rog
      the function of the WP is to put mind of human being to sleep, in fact that is the function of all behaviourism, cbt included…..

      • I had to suffer through CBT, adn it made me worse CBT is cheap..The cause of my breakdown was the DWP.. so their fucking cure is to go to the DWP and get told it is my fault i havent got a job..which is what CBT does it says if you change your thought patterns you will be happy.. forget the bullying, forget the hatred it is your fault if you thought differently you would feel better being bullied..

        • To think that Esther McEVIL claimed in a newspaper that she wanted to become Prime Minister too.
          What a nightmare

        • overburdenddonkey

          green
          yep…and the greater the numbers of people that understand this, the better….for greater understanding and intolerance of abuse…see the works of dr dorathy rowe ‘beyond fear’…and of course the work of dr bob johnson…

        • Greenwood4727,

          A Question – did you have to sign anything?

          As these are not Gov bodies [i.e. not part of NHS I wonder at their connection to DWP]

          I.e. are they Official Gov Bodiesor are they 3rd party contractors, in which case the Elephant in the room “Forced Contracts” rears its ugly head again.

          If they are [unlikely] Gov bodies who and what is their onbudsman as this is health related and clearly would fall under the NHS.

      • “MORE DWP CLAPTRAP”

        Date: 19 March 2015

        Dear M Boyce,

        Thank you for your Freedom of Information request received on 12 March
        2015.

        You asked:

        Please provide me with the following information:

        (1) Can Jobcentre Plus offices force benefit claimant’s (under threat of
        sanctions) to apply for or take a job with an employer who breaks the law by
        paying less than the National Minimum Wage?

        (2) Can Jobcentre Plus offices force benefit claimant’s (under threat of
        sanctions) to apply for or take a job with an employer who breaks the law by
        using rolled-up holiday pay?

        Please supply any documents that are relevant to the above questions.

        Response:

        To put the format of this response into context I should explain a little about
        the Freedom of Information Act. The Act provides people with a right of
        access to recorded information held by public authorities such as DWP. The
        Act does not extend to requests for views, comments or questions about a
        particular matter. Your request can be in the form of a question, but DWP
        does not have to answer if this would mean creating information that is not
        already held in a recorded form.

        There is no recorded information that answers your questions. However, I
        can confirm that DWP would never knowingly submit a claimant to apply for a
        vacancy that did not adhere to all relevant UK legislation.

        If you have any queries about this letter please contact us quoting the
        reference number above.

        Yours sincerely,

        DWP Central FoI Team

  2. Work Programme providers are little more than agencies that are set up to ship the unemployed into jobs that nobody else wants to do. Like call center work for example.

    • Another Fine Mess

      Many call centre jobs require a credit check, because you have access to peoples bank account numbers. But thanks to all the sanctions many can’t do it now.

      • Though it has to be said that anyone actually wanting to work in a call centre must surely have masochistic tendencies. Unless you are fortunate enough to work in call centres directly run by the companies providing the services you are contacting them about (e.g. contact centres run directly by companies such as British Gas) where working conditions, pay and benefits are fair to good, it is likely that you’ll be working for one of the specialist contact centres companies who contract to provide services, (though companies like British Gas do also contract out to these companies too, for ‘overflow’ situations) where pay and conditions are poor indeed, where workers are subject to bullying, being timed whilst on toilet breaks, and are subject to arbitrary disciplinary procedures and where union membership definitely isn’t encouraged – always a very good sign where union membership should be sought, preferably IWW/SolFed style unionism, but any union is better than none.

  3. OT: Electronic signing

    I have seen the future and it is a zombie walking.
    Last sign on told today would be using Electronic Signon [ES]. Was leary about ES after seeing posts on Ipswich but was willing to listen before making judgement. Did I mention that it is voluntry only? DWP wanted to go that route but after my little exchange of pointed letters they dropped that insistance. Wonder why? Anyway was sitting there and gentlemen before me suffered a ES fault. I grew concerned concerning ES use. It got worse.

    An example now. If you went to a bank till and the till took your card for no reason is it fit for purpose? I think we can agree such technology is not. Welcome to ES in all its glory.

    The issue – I have a little IT skill – the registered fault which prompted me to decline the oppurtunity was a ‘buffer overrun’. The most common ways viruses got onto a PC was by causing a buffer overrun in the webrowser. This caused it to crash and on restart the virus went active on te PC [I am simplifying things here].

    Now imagine you have used ES. Does it or does it keep the registration? Further when used by thousands will it or will it not like a virus crash the entire system?

    And the fault lies with the software and hardware used. Obviously top class stuff this, to allow buffer overruns [the most basic of faults to slip through the testing period…. If there was a product testing period that is].

    So there you have. Yet Another fine product from the DWP Titanic coming to a office near you.

    • OT: Electonic Signing

      Oh Dear thinking back I have just realized what the ConCons plans on Electronic Signing is for.

      This is a prototype ID system using biometrics. The Gov dept I knew of looked at this way back when – it was rejected due to te following, extremly high false positives, high costs, high costs and again say after me high costs. The False Positives was the killer but the idea of opening a bottomless pit for paying for something that will not work is what killed it off.

      Welcome all to the new version of the ID Card. How long before a Card is introduced, Housing Benifits, Dole money…. Dentists? Chemists? Visiting the Hospital/doctor [it will make the NHS more “Efficient” will be the reasoning]. Food shopping, get money off for your food shopping if unemployed? etc etc etc

  4. If the intention is to get sick people back to work stressing and exhausting them so as to prolong their illness will not do it.

  5. Also instead of wasting money on endless schemes why not use that money to provide real jobs. There are many public services which are understaffed these days.

  6. Reblogged this on Citizens, not serfs and commented:
    prayerwarriorpsychicnot | March 19, 2015 at 4:00 pm | Reply
    Also instead of wasting money on endless schemes why not use that money to provide real jobs. There are many public services which are understaffed these days.

  7. The Tories want to cut £12 Billion from the Welfare budget,fine scrap the WP/CWP/MWA and those life taking Atos/Maximus assessments,thats about £6 Billion,they repeated like a demented Parrot that they(?) are creating 1000 jobs per day,so unemployment will eradicated in about 3 Years,so their is no need to sign anymore of the thieving W2W Provider contracts!

  8. Benefits cap: Single mothers lose court challenge – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31937871

    SINGLE MOTHERS LOSE APPEAL ON BENEFITS.

  9. Two single mothers have lost their

    Supreme Court challenge against cutbacks

    in the benefits system

    The women, who had both been victims of

    domestic violence, had argued the cap had a

    discriminatory effect on women, especially

    those seeking to escape violent partners.

    But the court ruled by a 3-2 majority that the

    government’s benefit cap regulations were

    not unlawful.

    Work and Pensions Secretary lain Duncan

    Smith said he was delighted

    The Supreme Court decision upholds a Court

    of Appeal ruling that the capping measures
    measures
    were lawful.

    Iain Drunken Schitt was delighted that he had put victims of domestic violence through hell

  10. If you’re on the Work Programme with A4e, Seetec, Ingeus or whichever money-grabbing company it is, just remember to stick to your guns and do not reveal employer contact details to them or the Jobcentre if you get a job. You can just tell the Jobcentre you’re signing off because you’ve got a job but not tell them where- it’s important you don’t tell them where it is because they can just pass on that info to the ‘providers’ if you do tell them. I know of a few people now who have successfully prevented their Work Programme ‘providers’ from getting hold of employer contact details.

    • Start at your induction by declining to sign the Data Protection waiver that they will slip in with all the other paperwork. They should explain it to you, but almost certainly wont.

      You don’t have to sign it – though they may tell you otherwise – and if you don’t they won’t be able to share your details with their unspecified ‘partner’ organizations, and you will be losing them money.

      • you do not have to sign anything as there a 3rd party private company. the jcp might mandate you to go on said date but there is nothing on it that says that you have to enter in to a contract with the provider or sign any of there paper work.

        i had one provider try sanction me but as i did not sign anything i told the dwp i had no contract with that provider on the back of the letter that they had sent as to why i did not go and won it as the provider cant do jack shit with out that paper work being signed off.

        also do not put a sig in the book when you show up as they will lift it to forge there paper work if given the chance id just put an x in place of my name.

        • I used to print my name in block capitals.

        • yeah, never ever put your ‘official’ signature on any of the providers shit i.e. the ‘specimen’ one the DWP has on their system. if nobody signed their shit these ‘provider’ cunts would be out of business and shutting up shop tomorrow.

          • 'x' marks the spot

            as ted says it is even better to never put anything that could possibly constitute a ‘signature’ on any of the ‘providers’ shit

        • 'x' marks the spot

          there is fuck all, absolutely fuck all, these ‘provider’ cunts can do about it!

    • I didn’t sign but, several months later, I got a smug letter from A4e head office informing me that it didn’t matter that I hadn’t signed it because they could go straight to the Jobcentre to get employment details anyway. That’s why I’m telling people to just refuse to give details if they get a job.

      • jobcentre sucks

        just fucking don’t bother stepping foot in the fucking jobcentre again if you get a job…. what they gonna do? fucking sanction you lol😀

        • All good stuff, but as these Workfare companies are actually regarded as data processors by the DWP they are acting as if they were the DWP in terms of the Data Protection Act 1998, and so are not regarded as Third Parties. When the DWP sends you to these providers they have already shared what information they have with the provider, and it’s important to remember that all the provider is trying to do with all the forms is to try and gain extra information to that which they already possess.

          Beware of thinking that your not signing their waiver prevents them from sharing your information, it doesn’t, as they could still arrange interviews on your behalf, sharing whatever information they may have, courtesy of the DWP – which can include your address, telephone number and e-mail address, if you’ve given the DWP the latter two, (there is at the present no requirement to provide either a telephone number, or an e-mail address to the DWP).

          To ensure that Workfare providers do not share your personal information you must send a formal Withdrawal of Consent to Share Information letter, to both your subcontracted provider and and also the primary contractor. Send it as Signed For mail, which costs a bit, but you can both track the delivery and trace when delivery was made and who signed for it – there will be details of how to do this on the Post Office receipt and you will see a facsimilie of the electronic delivery receipt with a copy of the signature of the receiving agent. Make screenprints, and keep the Post Office receipts, just in case.

          It goes without saying that you don’t sign anything that your provider asks you to sign, you don’t have to, so why sign?

          It’s also a good idea to only show them a copy of things like CVs, and to try to not give them copies. You might find this hard, so as an alternative, put a Copyright notice on your CV, a simple statement ‘Copyright 2015 ‘ will suffice, but you could also find the Copyright symbol in the special character set in your computer word processor package and use that, but you don’t have to.

          It’s also worth including a simple Withdrawal of Consent to Share Information to any prospective employer, just in case, as it could be, as with the DWP and Workfare providers there could be ‘implied consent’. If you use these letters there is no doubt that you don’t want your details being shared.

          You can find template Withdrawal of Consent to Share Information letters on the Refuted.org website.

  11. I am on the Work program, it is now almost double figures the amount of interviews I have not had help to get to, I’m either told A) too far B) not far enough and on one occasion was told I’m getting too many interviews and it’ll reduce their profit to help me get to them!!! I’m now using all my benefit, I’ve had to travel 3 times over the past 7 days over 2 and a half hours each way for an assessment,a group interview,another assessment an individual interview and a group test, I have no money left now to pay rent,am on emergency electricity @1 day left, Little food, and can’t pay Council Tax, I applied for help from my council as they do crisis loans now, only to be told I don’t fit the criteria as I “CHOSE” to spend my benefit getting to these interviews, and unable to pay rent, no food or heating isn’t a disaster < I get my next JSA next Thurs, I asked to borrow £75 to get me through the week

    • The provider company isn’t playing the game – first of all report back to your JCP advisor that they are doing this, and secondly write and tell your MP about it, and maybe contact your local rag about what’s happening, as it is obvious that you are trying hard, and you are entitled to your travel expenses, no matter how far, or how near the interview is – after all, you wouldn’t want to get that smart interview suit wet/or your appearance ruined by being sweaty, or windblown by walking. Don’t have an interview suit? Ask your provider to pay for it, they do get money from the government for all this, but are well known for telling lies about it, and claiming that they don’t have the money. You are right though, it’s all about the profits.

  12. Food, Clothes & Shelter – or crappy illegal job interviews.

  13. So if I get sanctioned it is on my terms & will be put right correctly very quickly

  14. My ESA advisor at Maximus told me she used to work with the JSA claimants and said they were “brats”. Yeah in other words they stood up for themselves and knew their rights.

  15. A persons value in this country is down to how economically useful they are. That is the stage it has got to and it is out of order. Thatcher wanted to dismantle the nanny state but she set up a nanny state for the rich. Something has to give. These politicians want to dispose of people they regard as economically superfluous like a Joiner throws away a burnt out drill bit.

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  17. “MORE DIRTY TRICKS RESTRICTING ACCESS TO THE COURTS”

    From: Alan Rundle

    18 March 2015

    Dear Her Majesty’s Courts and the Tribunals Service,

    Please could you provide me with details of the legislation that
    introduced the SEVEN DAY time limit (reduced from TWENTY ONE DAYS)
    for applying for permission to appeal to Court of Appeal.

    I require details of the Act of Parliament, the date of the
    introduction AND the CPR details, prior to the change and following
    the change.

    Yours faithfully,

    Alan Rundle

    Link to this
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/absurd_seven_day_time_limit_for

    • “THE IDEA OF A FAIR TRIAL WAS TO BE ADJUDICATED BY YOUR PEERS”

      …………….a peer is someone of equal rank or merit, and yet:

      From: Alan Rundle

      15 March 2015

      Dear Her Majesty’s Courts and the Tribunals Service,

      There is huge demand for UK public institutions to be more
      representative of the UK population.

      Considering this, please provide the following information relating
      to the schooling backgrounds of Court of Appeal judges at the Royal
      Courts of Justice, The Strand, London, between 15 March 2010 and 15
      March 2015:

      (i) What was the total number of Court of Appeal judges working at
      the
      Royal Courts of Justice (between 15 March 2010 and 15 March 2015)?
      (ii) What was the total number of Court of Appeal judges working at
      the Royal Courts of Justice (between 15 March 2010 and 15 March
      2015) who previously attended Secondary Modern schools?
      (iii) What was the total number of Court of Appeal judges working
      at
      the Royal Courts of Justice (between 15 March 2010 and 15 March
      2015) who previously attended Comprehensive schools?
      (iv) What was the total number of Court of Appeal judges working at
      the Royal Courts of Justice (between 15 March 2010 and 15 March
      2015) who previously attended Grammar schools?
      (v) What was the total number of Court of Appeal judges working at
      the
      Royal Courts of Justice (between 15 March 2010 and 15 March 2015)
      who previously attended Eton?
      (vi) What was the total number of Court of Appeal judges working at
      the Royal Courts of Justice (between 15 March 2010 and 15 March
      2015) who previously attended private schools?

      Yours faithfully,

      Alan Rundle
      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/court_of_appeal_judges_and_their

  18. “MAXIMUS AND THE PHONE CALL MEDICALS”

    ………….DIAGNOSIS AND DECISIONS BY EX DWP BILL GUNNYEONS DISABILITY DENIAL COWBOYS………

    From: I Cau

    19 March 2015

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

    Further to
    http://worktestwhistleblower.blogspot.co

    the new work capability assessment contract has been published

    “The Supplier [Maximus] has developed a bespoke combination of
    monitoring tools to categorise and prioritise online conversations
    associated with the delivery of the Health and Disability
    Assessment contract. This will alert the Supplier and enable them,
    if necessary, to respond with appropriate messaging”

    Please supply a copy of the Maximus HDAS – the Health and
    Disability Assessment Service New Fit-For-Work work capability
    assessment Contract

    Yours faithfully,

    I Cau

    Link to this
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/maximus_new_fit_for_work_work_ca#incoming-631051

    “PROBABLY USING INSURANCE COMPANY LIE DETECTOR PHONE SOFTWARE TO CATEGORIZE THE DISABILITY OF A HUMAN BEING”

    • @Geoff

      So now we have a new term in our language

      ” AUTO HARASSMENT “

      • GEOFF REYNOLDS

        “UNIVERSAL FUCK UP, MORE LIKE”

        Whilst those of you might be looking at a partial eclipse, you should be looking at another pantomime IT blunder by our government.

        Yet another flagship computer system costing a staggering 154 million pounds has disappeared up shit creek……………..

        Build a system that only a fool can use, and only a fool will use it!

        The new software system designed to help farmers access European subsidies has gone tits up shortly after it’s launch, paper applicayions now the chosen method.

        Just how many persons from the “DWP’s INCREASING CORPSE LIST”, would be alive today if the money for the latest fiasco had not been robbed from them?

        If the government can’t design an IT system to get subsidies for farmers, the UNIVERSAL CREDIT FIASCO is already dead in the water.

        Universal Credit was always engineered to fail, to leave claimants without the benefits necessary to sustain life. It will take the focus of the increasing death count from the individuals at the DWP and refocus it upon dodgy software.
        After all, it’s easier for a coroner to associate another tragic death to a computer glitch than the fault of a decision maker chasing sanction targets…………………………

        • GEOFF REYNOLDS

          ISN’T IT STRANGE, BOB, THAT A SELECT COMMITTEE OF MP’S HAS JUST DECIDED THAT ANONYMITY OF AN ALLEGED OFFENDER IS CRUCIAL, JUST BEFORE THE INVESTIGATIONS INTO PAEDOPHILE RINGS GETS UNDER WAY?”

          Somebody, whether a judge, a top serving copper or a politician, has put pressure on the government to try and camouflage the disgusting behaviour.

          The thought of information of somebody in a powdered wig, rogering little boys, then murdering them, coming to light, has sent shockwaves through the system…………….

          …………………….The crowns noble kiddyfiddlers are pulling rank to twist changes to identity…………………

          • GEOFF REYNOLDS

            “Whilst the Royle famiy’s Big Ears and Camilla Wrinkled Piles show the need for an American lead on saving the planet, shouldn’t the focus be on the DWPwho decimate our numbers at the turn of every journals page?

        • Yeah I saw that @Geoff this Govt hasn’t cottoned onto the fact that IT systems have failure built into them so that the companies in charge can get more money by ” fixing ” the problems

  19. Is the electronic signing pad (once/if they get it up and running properly) mandatory to use? Also, can you opt to use it on one signing day but not the next? – Or once you do it once you have to use that method from thereafter and cannot opt out of using it? I think it might be quite fun to use a couple of times, and then the novelty would wear off, and what is the point? What is worrying is the fact that the JCP advisor said that anyone under the influence of drink would not be allowed to sign on the electronic pad – they would be told to go away and come back and sign it when they were sober!

  20. if they smell alcohol on you they will not let you sign anyway and ask you to leave and re arrange the meeting by phone for the next say.

    i went 1 morning and got thrown out as said could smell it on my breath, fkn 9 am in the morning and it was mouth wash pmsl😉 fkn retards.

  21. i know as 2 weeks later drank the night b4 went and signed on with no problem pmsl😉

  22. Voting on Thursday 7 May will actually work
    if you put pencil cross against different logos on that day.

    There is, today, no such thing as a small party.

    Because the poor now outnumber all other voters
    in a great many areas, especially in England.

    If the poor came out in great numbers and
    put their pencil cross against the parties on my little website,
    that are getting nil media coverage
    nor talked about in left leaning blogs
    about and by the victims of welfare and state penson reform aka abolition,
    then those MPs would be in UK’s government.

    There is the best chance of small left wing parties being able to form a
    multi party coalition in a generation.

    Because never again will ONE party be able to form a UK government on its own, as so few people come out to vote now.

    And TWO parties will also fail to be sufficient votes
    in this predictted most severe hung parliament
    (neither party reaching threshold of 323 MPs between 1 or 2 parties).

    The left wing parties with the most candidates running as MPs,
    especially in England, are listed, for your information, by name and by logo, so you can recognise them to put your pencil cross by the side of them,
    on Thursday 7 May.

    http://www.anastasia-england.me.uk

    • Sadly though, in all of the UK, whatever you vote, the government will get in. The only glimmer of hope is a huge SNP victory which most of the UK electorate cannot influence.

      The SNP is the nearest thing to a Syrzia or Podemos that the UK possesses, (though some complete fool suggested that Left Unity, the conglomeration of tired old Trots and trad. loonie-left groups was – as if!).

      I only wish the SNP were fielding candidates in my area – I live in South East Wales. I’ll probably end up voting Plaid Cymru in despair… as usual.

  23. stitchedupandbroken

    In attempting to raise an issue at an ET the employers solicitors threatened me with additional costs +++ if I went with the hearing and lost. I thought this IMPROPER and should have been reproved by the adjudicator,especially as I was off of work because of bullying and stress through the NHS…and thru standing up to bullying for patients and staff. I thought the adjudicator would comment on this improper matter. NOT SO! And with no union support(they were too much under pressure representing threatened redundancies,only having limited resources)I was fckud. Later,I heard this malpractice was common practice from CA,and they had complained about it. Suffice to say,nothing done,me screwed. And they call it British Justice!! Wotajoke!! We are the leaders in world complicity of malpractice. Rich=justice. Alone=shafted. That’s how its done folks. It makes you so mad. And I’m supposed loathe and despise other judicial systems. Yer havin a larf aint ya!!!!

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      ……………..the whole judicial system is corrupt from top to bottom. I reported to the Courts system in Leeds that a female doctor called PJ Manners had sat on two of my tribunal benches and she wasn’t licensed to practise…..

      When you go onto the General Medical Council website, it tells you that unlicensed doctors can only signature passport photos and give first aid in an emergency.

      Five different judges have tried to block my application to have my appeal heard at the upper tribunal.

      i am disabled and have been paid only £33.20p per week since july 2013.

  24. Of course the work programme isn’t working. There still aren’t nearly enough jobs to go around and the bosses are every bit as picky as they always have been. How about a “commitment” from employers – in return for free advertising at the Jokecentre they have to employ someone who isn’t perfect…

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  26. I am sure it is this month that the employees from one of those agencies are up in court for forging people’s signatures on forms stating that they had assisted them in getting a job. I think this happened in Reading – wonder if the outcome of this will be published. The amount of cash these agencies are raking in for nothing is appalling. Listen to what you are being told here – if you manage to get a job – do not tell them anything.

      • GEOFF REYNOLDS

        “We fear that the real danger is that they’re going to skew the assessments to force people back to work so that they go through Remploy. They then get money through the Government to help get people back to work.”

        A spokesman for the DWP said: “There is no foundation to this allegation. Providers do not decide who participates in Government jobs programmes.

        ……………………….A LAYMANS TRANSLATION WOULD BE;

        “UTILISING BILL GUNNYEON, FORMER CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER OF THE DWP, NOW MAXIMUS, THE GOVERNMENT HAS SUCCESFULLY SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH A RENEGADE COMPANY”

        USING EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO DENY DISABILITY EXISTS, MAXIMUS WILL USE UNQUALIFIED STAFF TO QUESTION CLAIMANTS AT HOME, OVER THE PHONE TO DISQUALIFY BENEFITS.

        THOSE WHO ATTEND A WORK CAPABILITY EXAMINATION WILL NOT BE ASSESSED ON THEIR DISABILITY, BUT JUDGED BY A SERIES OF TICK BOX EXERCISES USING A LAPTOP COMPUTER.

        OF THOSE DECLARED FIT FOR WORK, OR PLACED IN THE WRAG GROUP, VACANCIES WILL BE MADE READILY AVAILABLE AT REMPLOY INSTITUTIONS, OF WHICH MAXIMUS WILL CLAIM REMUNERATION FROM THE UK GOVERNMENT.

        ANY SUICIDES AND DEATH ARISING FROM THE CONTRACT, WHICH IS COMMERCIALLY SENSITIVE, WILL JUST BE COINCIDENTAL, HENCE THE CONCERTED COVER UP BY THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION COMMISSIONER AND THE DWP.

        “WORK IS GOOD FOR YOU, HOWEVER SERIOUS THE HANDICAP”

        ………………………………ASK THOSE WHOSE NAMES ARE HIDDEN FROM THE DWP PEER REVIEWS……….

    • “THE REAL BRITAIN, BEYOND OSBORNES ROSE TINTED SPECTACLES”

      ​Foodbank boss says people are getting increasingly desperate

      http://thirdforcenews.org.uk/tfn-news/social-justice-and-poverty/poor-trekking-miles-to-foodbank#xVtWu8wY7vumsPCa.01

  27. Vote for CLASS WAR!!

    EAT THE RICH!!

  28. Vote for CLASS WAR!!

    DOUBLE DOLE & PENSION

  29. Obi Wan Kenobi

    VERY IMPORTANT.

    Electronic Signing Pads – Now in Bradford Jobcentres – Here’s how to get around using them..

    The following is from an FoI to the DWP, Print off and take this with you next time you sign on.
    ——————————————————

    DWP Central Freedom of Information Team

    e-mail: [DWP request email]
    Annex A

    Our Ref: VTR465

    2nd March 2015

    Dear, Ms Herne

    Thank you for your Freedom of Information (FoI) request received on 03rd February 2015 in which you asked:

    You have confirmed that “Electronic Signing is not mandatory under legislation”. Is this because there is nothing in legislation to support it or because there is a specific part of the legislation which prevents it from being mandatory?

    And how would the fact that “Electronic Signing is not mandatory under legislation” be conveyed to a Jobcentre employee who is insisting that the SCS is mandatory; i.e. what documentary evidence is there to support this fact?

    You further state “Once implemented fully across the business it will be the Department’s normal method of signature capture.”

    Does this imply that the SCS will at some future date be mandatory as a condition of receiving a benefit for all claimants?

    Lastly you state “Feedback on the system was sought from both Claimants and DWP staff, which shows that Claimants have willingly accepted the change.”
    Please provide all evidence that claimants’ feedback was sought. Also provide any paperwork given to the claimants when being introduced to the SCS. And please provide any other documents which demonstrate that the claimants were informed of the voluntary nature of the SCS.

    Further to the previous request, please provide any information you hold that ensures Jobcentre staff are made aware that signing using the SCS is not mandatory.

    DWP Response:

    The legislation in place to support the use of Electronic Signing is part of wider legislative changes that allows the capture of signatures by electronic methods. This is contained within the Social Security (Electronic Communications) Order 2011 and can be accessed at
    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2011/1498/contents/made

    Article 3(2) of this Order amends the Jobseekers Allowance Regulations to allow the capture of signatures electronically. It enables the Department to use alternative methods to pen and paper to capture signatures from Claimants wherever it is required in its business.

    It does not, however, make the use of electronic signatures compulsory as a condition of receiving benefit and was never intended to do so.

    Yours sincerely,

    DWP Central FoI Team

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/248977/response/623794/attach/html/3/FoI%20request%20465%20response.pdf.html

  30. Years ago a friend was railroaded into a “Scheme” which was basically slave labour, clearing land for a wealthy farmer. It just so happened that (1) The proposed work involved cutting hedges during the nesting season (illegal) (2) The proposed work involved cutting down rare flowers. (3) The workzone was in effect a building site yet there were no toilet facilities, not even a Portaloo. Workers were expected to use the land as a toilet but this is also illegal. A few letters and phone calls had the authorities hit the scheme like a ton of bricks! If anyone is ever railroaded onto a scheme just remember that the Health & Safety at Work Act and other legislation still has to be complied with. Some employers seem to be under the impression that because the workers are not being paid the Office Shops and Factories Acts and similar legislation do not apply. The whistle-blower achieved his aims as he was no longer wanted on the scheme! Illegal work practices still remained however for the sheeple. Take care!

    • sibrydionmawr

      Also worth querying the insurance coverage for yourself. You aren’t an employee or a volunteer. As a workplace they are legally required to have a certificate that is visible to staff, so you can find out which insurance company a premises is insured by, and then make your own enquiries…

      • I have actually encountered this,for insurance purposes you are considered an employee,fair enough! where is my bloody pay packet? you are now a Volunteer,ffs I was forced to do this! You are now Sanctioned!

  31. Would it be legal to leave a comment on the Trip Advisor Page stating that their Excellent Chef has been coerced into working there for free and holds no food preparation qualifications – never mind cookery qualifications “Hope you enjoy your Dinner” – on this pub;s details? I feel sooooo sorry for you – wish I could help.

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      ……………Slave Labour would go down well Donna

    • i left comments on my mwa face book page and they did not like it as it was enough to not want me at the place and was told to leave and was not wanted at the store

      they all want free slaves but do not want the public to know about what they are doing and posting on there fb page is enough for them not to want you at the places.

      they did have my fb account band for telling the truth and posting on there page utter scum.

      and that was the shop not the provider that done that and its a charity shop pmsl.

      the reply s i got was i was a reject from society that was not wanted at the store, and i looked like a tramp that stunk.

      well it proved i went then just more ammo for me to throw back at the jcp/dwp

  32. Forced Labour is Slavery like the Death Camps in the Third Reich

    Liberty and Decent Quality of Life Makes People Free Not Forced
    Slave Labour

    Down with Neo Liberalism and Keep the Red Flag Flying

  33. This pub the Goytre Arms is owned by Enterprise Inns and most probably is franchised out to an individual person. I think Enterprise Inns would have a fit if action is taken against this pub either online or physically outside. I think they have about 350 pubs up for lease.

  34. https://www.facebook.com/TheGoytreArms?fref=ts

    you will need an fb account to see there page i think n have more than 1 i can see.

  35. bamm if you go on Wednesday n start posting on there page you will be sent home faster than go trust me hit them where it hurts ie in there pocket make it clear you are not happy being a slave so they can get there fee from the dwp

  36. if i refuse to sign paperwork will i get taken to court ??

    no not at all nor can they force you to sign it under threat of benefit sanctions as there not even a provider not that it matters tho.

  37. “WITHHOLDING MOBILITY VEHICLES FROM DISABLED CLAIMANTS UNLESS THEY AGREE TO DO 12 HOURS VOLUNTARY WORK”

    “Just how low can the DWP stoop?”

    From: FRED WILLIAMS

    17 March 2015

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

    I wonder if you could possibly help me. I am a severely disabled
    person on ESA Support, but I am lucky enough to be able to drive a
    Motability Wheelchair Access Vehicle. I have been told by
    Motability that I can no longer renew my Lease for a new vehicle
    unless I am employed or do 12 hours voluntary work a week out side
    my home.

    The question I would like to ask is, Are severely disabled people
    who are in ESA Support Group allowed to do 12 hours voluntary work
    at week without it affecting their benefit?

    Yours faithfully,

    F.Williams

    Link to this
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/esa_support_group_and_voluntary#incoming-629738

  38. go on esa for 12 months there that back logged with appeals / claims you will get over 12 months of it , so long as you send them medical certificates sick notes.

  39. PS Yes, I see they have removed the comments from their facebook page, but if they think it will be that easy to remove the protests and complaints about it they are mistaken. I know someone who is on ESA and he doesn’t get the constant hassle the way we do, but he still has to go into appointments every so often.

  40. bamboozled – well, if you sign off sick, it won’t matter what his reply is anyway.

  41. OT.

    “United Health, a huge US health insurance firm worth £76bn, is one of several companies currently bidding for a £1.2bn NHS contract for end of life care.”

    http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2015/03/20/labours-mystery-600k-donor-martin-taylor-revealed-as-mayfair-hedge-funder/

  42. Wonder if they will bar the JCP? lol I think that these premises should be added to list of places using workfare

  43. I also like raining’s advice which I have copied and pasted at the end of the comments to avoid it being “all vertical”:

    Raining | March 22, 2015 at 4:02 pm | Reply

    Say the pressure off the JCP has got you into such a state you’re suicidal and are so weak because of worry that you can hardly leave the house. Tell them that just getting to the GP’s surgery was a monumental effort and that you feel so stressed that you’ll have to go to bed as soon as you go home. Tell the GP your self esteem has taken such a battering through their pressure that you feel you can’t go on.

    Then get a sick line and sign on for ESA. If they call you for a WCA tell them they’ll have to conduct a home interview because you can’t travel you’re so unwell. Make them come to your home.

    Trust me, this is the best way to do it.

  44. Donna – Hopefully other establishments such as pubs and hotels who rely heavily on the public’s perception of them for their success will avoid taking on workfare “trainees” if they learn from the goytre arms’ example.

    • They should have learnt that getting involved in these schemes is toxic to your brand/company name. Not only that, it tends to stick. And even if you pull out of it, your name is tarnished because you wanted to take part in it in the first place.

      Places that get involved in this should consider the big picture and ask themselves ‘is it worth this aggro?’

  45. they banned me from posting on there page lol and bam id report his ass to the police as he cant just come round banning ur door and for what as above you never done anything.

    just ring the local police number and report what happened as then you will have it on record what he has done and as he has ur info from the dwp he will be right in the shit now.

  46. Yes, I think it would be a smart move to report this abuse as well – it might give the Job Centre a jolt – he might be barred from receiving people on any future work placements. I would kick up blue murder at the Job Centre or get your Mum to do it – might be better coming from her. Spread the word within your local community and hopefully the pub’s takings will take a direct hit on the minus side.

  47. I can’t post on their page either – however, more and more people have left comments – so hopefully they will get the message loud and clear.

  48. Here are some more comments from their facebook page, which I have copied and pasted before they have time to remove them from there!

    Gary Sellars
    Today at 13:57
    Are you involved in workfare? A lot of people are saying so. This does not reflect well on your business at all. Do the decent thing and pull out.
    Like · Comment · Share
    Tony Pauls
    Today at 13:24
    Would never consider going somewhere that uses slave labour.
    Like · Comment · Share
    Mark Jones
    Today at 12:35
    What is the Goytre Arms veiw on workfare in the UK?

  49. missed one lol just in😉
    Bernie McCabe
    Today at 21:29
    You have some great reviews well done. Getting staff through Workfare is obviously paying off, so why not do the decent thing and give someone a full time job instead of contributing to the slave labour being promoted by this Government. Do a little research and see what is really happening to the unemployed and disabled, I promise u you won’t be impressed. Keep your reputation clean and pay a decent wage to your employees. Leave Workfare please

  50. and here is a reply from them on there fb page

    This post is a general reply to all the people,ill informed people, who have decided to wage a vendetta against the Goytre Arms regarding being approached by the Jobcentre about taking on a local lad to do some unpaid part time work at the Pub. I, the business owner, never approached this lad or any other person to work at the pub. I am more than happy with the wonderful staff I have. These comments, together with the disgusting Trip Advisor review have upset the staff as they feel demeaned and gives the impression they are working for a pittance, which they are not. Some of them have been with me for years and we get on really well.
    As for the Facebook comments on here, they will not be removed until I have taken legal advice, so be aware, before making any more derogatory posts think hard and long of the possible consequences, I believe the Dwp may have something to say about all of this and the Jobcentre.
    Finally, as for the intimidation from the various pressure groups, I will never bow down to bullies as neither myself or anyone associated with the Goytre arms has done anything wrong, if you have any gripe with the system see your MP

    so
    why he round his house banning on the door on a sunday for what?? and why he blocked us from posting to the page then??

    bam report his ass to the police asap and keep any paper work as evidence

  51. some unpaid part time work at the Pub.

    what 30hrs a week for 6 weeks is part time work pmsl

    and it is paid work just they keep the fee from the dwp that they fail to point that one out.

    i cant post on there any more but some one should point that 1 out lol

  52. I would love to see the look on the JCP advisor’s face when the pub’s manager/owner/whatever calls them up first thing monday morning!

  53. As for the Facebook comments on here, they will not be removed until I have taken legal advice.

    fkn that was fast there gone already so good luck with that, what a twat lol

  54. i know lol they just wanted the fee simple.
    Stephen B Jones
    Today at 21:57
    Workfare is slave labour!

  55. “I, the business owner, never approached this lad or any other person to work at the pub. I am more than happy with the wonderful staff I have.”
    – Er, if you are more than happy with the wonderful staff you have then why did you agree to take on the “local lad” at all? And if you are more than happy with the wonderful staff then you obviously dont need any more staff therefore the “local lad” was never ever going to get a paid job with you. You could have easily refused the jobcentre their request to place the “local lad” with you if like SOME employers, you took the principled attitude that if you are not willing to pay them a wage or definitely offer them a proper paid job at the end of it then you do not want to “employ” them. The jobcentre are very persistent at offering slave labour, I know, and offer you a tasty financial reward for doing so, but others have shown that it is possible to resist (in fact I read of one employer taking legal action against the jobcentre due to JCP’s refusal to take no for an answer) You made the choice to participate in the scheme, no-one else made the decision for you, not the jobcentre and certainly not “the local lad” who would almost certainly been sanctioned ie systematically denied financial support if he refused, even though he was extremely anxious about the prospect of participation. Perhaps you were ill-informed by the jobcentre about the “local lad’s” willingness to be used as unpaid labour and about the element of coercion involved in these schemes. No-one said the rest of the staff were working for a pittance, just that if the “local lad” were to work there for his JSA, he would be doing so. You maintain that you have done nothing wrong, and in agreeing to be part of this scheme that may be true in a legal sense. It is also legal for the government to literally starve a person for refusing to particpate in the scheme, and that is a form of bullying which in many cases can lead to death. Please, inform yourself, and only employ paid workers.

  56. Justice4Jobseekers Deleting my comments isn’t going to change a thing! Take heed and do the right thing before we make sure you earn yourself a bad name!

    i think we pissed him off a tad pmsl maybe he will see it for what mwa is and refuse to use it, or he have a empty pub to show for it.

  57. I can’t post either – this is a democracy and every1 is entitled to their opinion – the fact that he cannot remove the Trip Advisor Review by Shelley is what he is raging at – Well done Shelley – wonder if he will phone the job centre or go round and bang on their door. I got my friend to send the message to boycott this place via Twitter. Still don’t think it was legal for him to go and confront “the local lad” at his home – also – “local lad’s” details should not have been provided to him without a signed contract. Data Protection Law. Do employers really think they can get away with these tactics and no1 will say anything. This guy does not have a conscience. Some of the other reviews were funny – what about the Chef shouting in the kitchen lol – perhaps they should rename the place “Fawlty Arms”.

  58. Also, he is not the owner Enterprise Inns plc is the owner.

  59. Keri Murphy Complete idiots! Anyone with half a brain can see that you’ve done nothing wrong.
    I personally think that Workfare is a fantastic scheme.

    Rather people on it be functioning members of society than sitting at home wasting their lives away. It helps give them a sense of pride that they’ve earned their money along with experience of work life.

    They’re clearly happy with the money they receive from it or else they would look for full time paid work elsewhere.
    Anyone telling you to take some on permanently obviously hasn’t thought it through.
    Yes, you may be able to take on 1 or 2 but what happens to the rest? At least with this scheme you can help make a difference to more people.

    Well done for standing your ground on this.
    Tell your staff that for every ignorant hater out there, there are 10 times more intelligent people backing you all the way. x

    im sure she be happy working 30hrs a week for 72 quid, i think not, while they pocket the 1000s for the fee from tax payers money.

    o and miss 1 day n you dont get jack shit but still have to work and job search and still sign on.

  60. Yes, hope they go bust and have to sign on – what a shock they are in for.

  61. Mandy Rollinson Keri they’ve already worked and paid in advance via National INSURANCE, the clues in the name, you pay up front via insurance to cover you during the bad times! Imagine losing your job then being sent back to do the same job for 30 hrs a WK free of charge to the ‘provider’ arrive late through no fault of your own and hey presto no income, still signing on AND still having to work!

  62. Neil Jenks Jenkins Well said too many bullies around these days good for you
    1 · 2 hrs

    Keri Murphy Complete idiots! Anyone with half a brain can see that you’ve done nothing wrong.
    I personally think that Workfare is a fantastic scheme.

    Rather people on it be functioning members of society than sitting at home wasting their lives away. It helps give them a sense of pride that they’ve earned their money along with experience of work life.

    They’re clearly happy with the money they receive from it or else they would look for full time paid work elsewhere.
    Anyone telling you to take some on permanently obviously hasn’t thought it through.
    Yes, you may be able to take on 1 or 2 but what happens to the rest? At least with this scheme you can help make a difference to more people.

    Well done for standing your ground on this.
    Tell your staff that for every ignorant hater out there, there are 10 times more intelligent people backing you all the way. x
    1 · 1 hr

    John James They can take on more than 1 or 2 Keri. In fact they can staff their entire pub with taxpayer funded labour. It would mean current paid staff would be in constant fear of losing their jobs as the workfare staff do not require remuneration. This of course would lead to the permanent staff becoming unemployed and possibly going onto workfare, maybe in the same pub they were once paid. Workfare isn’t all that fantastic, I’ve seen it everywhere in all sectors. Workfare replaces paid work.
    1 · 1 hr

    Keri Murphy Perhaps that might happen in companies that have no integrity but until the pub are guilty of that happening I think people should keep their negative comments to themselves. They’ve done nothing wrong thus far and don’t deserve the negative press. Comment like that could ruin the business completely and then they’ll all be out of work.
    1 · 1 hr

    John James Keri, this is simply about having staff moving off benefits and into meaningful paid work. I don’t believe that ‘The Goytre Arms’ has deliberately chosen to become part of an extremely volatile, punitive industry where unemployed and even terminally ill people are forced to work for no pay, but, by even by unwittingly becoming a small part of this scheme people are going to tar them with the same brush as the more aggressive exploiters.
    1 hr

    Keri Murphy Then more fool those small minded people for trying to put everyone in the same box.
    1 · 55 mins

    John James Keri, please don’t think that this is about unpaid labour as a key issue. Volunteering is encouraged by many and can be beneficial. It is simply that, the firm you defend has possibly unwittingly entered into a scheme with the DWP that is designed to trip people up; set them up to fail if you like so that they lose their vital benefits. Social security is a safety net – not a wage.
    45 mins

    Keri Murphy Unfortunately. Many people don’t see it that way and treat it as their right to get paid for sitting at home doing nothing. What’s wrong in people working for those benefits? There is nothing stopping them from applying for work elsewhere if they feel that they’re not getting paid fairly.
    1 · 40 mins

    John James Keri, social security payments (which are very small) are there to support people who are out of work whilst they seek paid work. When jobs are scarce (which they are) companies sometimes latch onto the workfare scheme that provides them with free labour where once the participants would have been paid. The participant still remains a burden to the taxpayer as they continue to pay for their subsistence living as meanwhile vital public services (such as hospital staff) get cut to finance already profitable companies.
    20 mins

    Keri Murphy We are never going to agree on this. In my opinion, anyone who is physically able to work should do so in order to receive their benefit payments.
    6 mins

    Roy Bard If the pub needs work done, then it should pay the people who do that work, in the same way that customers who get beer at the pub expect to pay for it. If people choose to do work experience for free, then fair enough. But forcing people to work at the pub without pay benefits no-one in the long run. Keri Murphy can protest all she likes, there simply aren’t enough real jobs to go round.
    5 mins

    Keri Murphy So say the pub can only afford to pay 1 full time member of staff but they’ve got 4 workfare staff there?
    They take on that one and ditch the other 3? How does that benefit anyone if there aren’t enough jobs to go round?
    3 mins

    Mandy Rollinson Keri they’ve already worked and paid in advance via National INSURANCE, the clues in the name, you pay up front via insurance to cover you during the bad times! Imagine losing your job then being sent back to do the same job for 30 hrs a WK free of charge to the ‘provider’ arrive late through no fault of your own and hey presto no income, still signing on AND still having to work

  63. The Goytre Arms Unless you come from other parts of Europe in your millions and find a job. All work should be paid for at the pub and I would have given the lad money to supplement his income even though the Jobcentre leaflet says not to, however, we shall never find out, the lad will continue to lead a meaningless existence, probably for the rest of his life, I do not view this as unpaid work, more of a short term trial with a view to some form of employment which could then lead to full time work, probably elsewhere but with something concrete on a cv and a glowing reference from myself, this, however, will not happen now or indeed in the future at my premises after the vile and cowardly way I have been bullied by Trolls. I shall also discourage all I know who employ people to avoid this scheme because it certainly is not worth having your business adversely effected when you have done nothing wrong.

    you cant get paid any money on mwa as it says in the dwp tool kit, it also says mwa can not to be used in gaining recent work experience as its not paid work..

  64. I shall also discourage all I know who employ people to avoid this scheme because it certainly is not worth having your business adversely effected when you have done nothing wrong

    id say thats a win then😉

  65. “the lad will continue to lead a meaningless existence, probably for the rest of his life” – charming

  66. Bullied by Trolls? Hope the Trolls don’t turn up banging at your door and threaten you – you are guilty of turning up at this person’s home – thereby abusing the individual’s rights under the Data Protection Law. Also, a meaningless existence? Yes it would have been in your back kitchen working for 30 hours a week unpaid whilst you were pocketing the fees from the DWP. Hopefully, the prognosis has now changed.

  67. Taken from http://www.bbc.co.uk – ethics on slavery

    All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
    Article 1, Universal Declaration of Human Rights
    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
    Article 3, Universal Declaration of Human Rights
    No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms
    Article 4, Universal Declaration of Human Rights

  68. I think the message has been received loud and clear by this establishment.

    Then the trolls have won.
    You should not have been shamed into deciding not to use the scheme again just because of their opinions. It is a shame.

    The above post is from a supporter of the Pub – note she states “not to use the scheme again” – this would suggest that the landlord knew what he was doing. Somehow, I don’t think he will take anyone else on under the scheme but who knows…….

    • So, according to that poster, people who say workfare is wrong are ‘trolls?’ She needs to know that genuine trolls are people who will just say anything for the sake of it to cause trouble- they are not people who are voicing an opinion they believe in. Some people seem to get confused about what trolls on the internet actually are.

  69. Another Fine Mess

    “The Goytre Arms: Have you ever googled slander?”

    LOL, I don’t think the TGA has!

    • Even if he had a case (which it doesn’t look like he does), how does he think that someone who is unemployed would be able to pay damages?

      • Another Fine Mess

        You haven’t googled it either?

        I don’t think much of his legal advice if he’s just posted:
        …your political views and rants have nothing to do with our pub, the scheme is VOLUNTARY, he volunteered to do this then got cold feet when he realised he had to work..

        I don’t think the pub knows how ‘out of it’s depth’ it is – yet.

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  71. Another Fine Mess

    unemploymentmovement.com
    Broken ?

  72. Reblogged this on Beastrabban’s Weblog and commented:
    Johnny Void here continues his campaign showing up the massive failures and iniquities of the Work Programme, IDS’ other vanity after Universal Jobmatch and Universal Credit. They’re vanity projects because they don’t actually work.

    The Void gives the statistics to show it. Only a quarter of those on the programme for two years have spent a period of 3-6 months in work – less than those, who sought work on their own.

    For disabled people, the situation is worse. Much worse. Just over three percent of people on ESA or IB were in work for 3-6 months. And only 1.5 per cent of the most seriously disabled, who had been found ‘fit to work’ by Atos, found jobs lasting long than three months.

    The only people for whom the scheme is working are Early Entrants, mainstream Job seekers, who have a better chance of getting a job. Even then, the success of the scheme is only a matter of a few per cent above what these people would have achieved on their own.

    Mr Void also comments on the fraud cases, that have allowed the workfare companies to cash their cheques, even though they didn’t do anything to help the people they claim to have done.

    The whole programme is a farce and a monumental waste of money. It carries on, because it earns money for the welfare-to-work companies, and reinforces Tory ideology that it’s all the fault of the unemployed themselves.

  73. Another Fine Mess

    Has anybody been sued yet?🙂

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  75. Another Fine Mess

    What happened to:
    JUSTICEFORGOYTRE | March 24, 2015 at 11:08 am | Reply

  76. Perhaps they are raging they did not receive their workfare revenue as the placement did not go ahead.

    • @Donna hey I got a trip advisor badge. For posting ” no company should exploit unemployed ” on the goytre review
      Ha you get a badge for protesting now

    • @Donna actually I think that posting a complaint about how staff are treated is a legitimate review and complaint. Apart from the usual complaint about food and service.

  77. Voluntary work experience from the JCP? thats a new one! As for the Goytre Arms,as a former Publican,from my own experience things are tight in the Pub trade,still 30+ pubs closing weekly.yet based on the statement that it was 30 hours a week it still sounds like MWA,was the placement arranged by a Provider? (A4E,Seetec,Ect) as a small business he would not be able to put him on his Liability Insurance unless he was declared as an Employee,which they can’t,as then he would be liable to the NMW.

    Although having attended MWA and Work Experience myself as a over 50 it did little to improve my chances,in a way I have some sympathy for the owner of the Goytre,was he fully briefed by the JCP/Provider? did Bam meet with both parties or did the JCP do a bodge job? was a health and safety report done? were both parties briefed about what was expected of them?

    On the flip side I went through the Goytre FB and Trip Advisor sight,the owner has some very good reviews,but ones that are critical about the food or service (pre JV) are answered in a petulant and childish way,he would of been better off accepting(not agreeing) them in a gracious way and getting on with seems to be a decent local pub.

    The owner also stated that he would of probably given Bam some money on the side,even though the JCP said not too if the JCP found out he would of been Sanctioned,you can look at this as the Owner had good intentions and maybe felt slightly guilty about receiving labour at no cost to the business or?

  78. The guy seems jubilant at persecuting a young boy – judging by his comments about the person is being interviewed etc. I think the owner got off lightly – there were some people who wanted to hit his facebook page after midnight in order that he would not have a chance to delete the comments. Wonder if the other pubs in the area knew what he was up to. However, we can only do our best to support people in their hour of need.

  79. Fucking hell.

    is someone holding a gun to your head mate?

    You are under every pressure when ‘offered’ one of these schemes as you cannot refuse as you will lose your benefits and my advice going by your posts is that you have bad anxiety and maybe depression and it would be best to go to a dr to find out if this is the case. No one is offering you ways to scam the system we are worried about your wellbeing and I believe time on the sick away from the stresses would be beneficial to you.

    If Goytre was offering support then Goytre would pay you a wage.

  80. “The statement that I made was inaccurate.” – or is the statement that you are making now inaccurate?

  81. I have received full support from both Jobcentre & the Goytre Arm

    support jobcentre errr not a hope in hell, me thinks thats not bam writing that reply on here. prob the pub landlord lol

  82. can’t see the comments Super Ted-what a blooming shame – where are the comments?

  83. Goytre Arms – you must feel proud persecuting a young “lad” so pleased you did not receive your workfare payment – you are a disgrace to the licensed profession. Hope Enterprise Inns have picked this up;

  84. Another Fine Mess

    Bottom test

  85. bob – exactly – contrast his new statement with his first ones: “I, finished work programme about 2-3 years ago. But, completely out the blue my advisor has set me up with more workfare. My placement starts wednesday, and could last upto 6 weeks. how do i get out of doing if because i feel extremely anxious and shy. Please help” and “Do i have to attend my useless degrading pointless workfare placement ?? (rather be sanctioned)”

  86. bob – exactly – contrast his new statement with his first ones: “I, finished work programme about 2-3 years ago. But, completely out the blue my advisor has set me up with more workfare. My placement starts wednesday, and could last upto 6 weeks. how do i get out of doing if because i feel extremely anxious and shy. Please help” and “Do i have to attend my useless degrading pointless workfare placement ?? (rather be sanctioned)”

  87. all comments made or relating to that poster have been removed at their request. probably best to draw a line under this now.

  88. Another Fine Mess

    bobchewie
    I agree with most of your short comments.

    Difficult when the thread’s messed up. Looks like JUSTICEFORGOYTRE are asking for their posts to be removed – trying to hide the evidence!
    Don’t worry it’s cached.

    • @AFM. yeah it turns into a right royal mess on handsets unreadable. really
      Anyways. The guvnor of this blog says to stop it so ok

      But as I say. It wouldn’t do any harm to see if this is common place. I have never seen anything so extra ordinary before to have someone plead for help then flip around and say they made it all up or something

      Something not right there
      Just saying

  89. Cannot believe what I have just witnessed – gloves off!!!! Imagine persecuting a young boy – let’s go for it people – has anyone ever been persecuted for asking for advice from Citizens Adivice???? I am calling all my friends and relatives who live in Ponty to do something about this.

  90. its Shame they got to him like this & a shame that Johnny is defending the pub by removing what was said. By doing that the DWP will know how to shut you down.

    I love your blog Johnny but i worry that this is a another way for them to shut you up.

    • nothing to do with that, the person who made the comments, who is a claimant, asked for them to be removed. I would have done the same for anyone else. I wouldn’t have done it for the pub or the DWP.

      • I thought the pub or DWP threatened you. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I hope this is a wake up call to any place that uses workfare in the future.

        Keep strong everyone🙂

        • ” Dear TripAdvisor Member,

          Thank you for your review. We have opted not to publish your review as it does not meet our guidelines for traveler reviews ”

          Seems someone complained about Our trip advisor comments and removed them

          • Because he never worked there, writing that he was going to be a chef LIE saying he was going to spit in the food, I don’t believe he would do this anyway so also a LIE the reviews are not true reflections of the pub which has recently just been called best pub in Wales? Also Donna smith you can come to the pub although it would be a journey not worth doing as the police have been informed and anybody connected to this coming to the pub will be instantly reported, Thanks kindly, Justice prevailed (maybe you should all use your time on here to look for a job?)

            • So people should just shut up and mind their own business when a claimant asks for help?

              And you think justice has been acheived
              Exploitation gets justice?? You have a strange perception of thing’s

              You have no idea how claimants are treated
              Maybe you read the daily hate mail about benefit
              Scroungers and that’s it.

            • @” justice” you just exposed your pig ignorance and prejudices.
              I wouldn’t want to visit an establishment run by some one with those attitudes

  91. I think the landlord knows whoever it was in the jc who “persuaded” the boy to attend this placement. It is a bit sus when the boy just stays down the road from the place and perhaps this was all agreed on the QT. The landlord gets the fee the person in the jc gets points for providing a placement. However, the landlord has taken the comments as being against his establishment when they were obviously a protest about the free labour to be supplied and the landlord receiving a fee. Next time I am visiting Wales I will pop in and say Hi.

  92. I’m always careful in what I say about personal stuff and it helps maybe to use another name for major advice if you don’t want any scrutiny over past posts.

    The majority of posters in here are great people and you can see that reading the posts they make every day. I just saw one of our own going down and it annoyed the hell out of me.

    It’s still not too late for the guy to get his arse to the Doctor and get on the sick.

    • @cephalus it made me sick them going on about it being a victory and justice.
      Then had the nerve to imply everyone on here is lazy. And should ” get a job “

  93. best to put up a reply on ta on a Friday night so its there over the hole week end.

    he said someone was “being interviewed” but failed to add “by the police

    for what pmsl and what charge cps will not even bother with it fkn joke and anyway bam had no contract with them so can say what he likes same as the rest of us human beings.

  94. I still feel sooo sorry for this young boy however, we all tried to help him and so did a lot of other facebook users. Just hope everything works out for him in the end. Just switched gas to a non-profit energy company – it is more expensive per unit – but does not have daily standing charges. A bill for £68 arrived for daily standing charges and no gas used – was raging. Trying my best to cut down on bills – will let you all know if this new company are any good.

  95. I can’t believe they have actually posted a photo on their facebook page of the statement which the claimant (I can’t say his name or my comment will be moderated) was forced into making – and the landlord’s moronic supporters gloating comments alongside it. So much for freedom of speech – if you are a claimant it appears you are not allowed it.

    • @Fellow and claiming it as some kind of victory and justice. ?

      Workfare is justice and freedom?

    • So after campaigning against workfare all they have to do is browbeat anyone claiming to be forced into workfare to change their complaint and they claim its some kind of victory and we just give up and say ” oh ok ”

      And that’s it.

      Why bother then

      • Worried about any precedent this could set. Think of it all those companies who were named and shamed over workfare could think all they had to do was,bring pressure and or bribe. And workfare can steam ahead

        • Exactly Bob and is the reason why blogs like this and BW are toothless in the grand scheme of things.

          They don’t do enough it’s as simple as that.

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            • Yeah it’s getting worse. There’s no doubt about it. The majority of cuts round the corner are said to be savage. Talking about a whole host of cuts to benefits on that link, that will make them really popular!

              What’s even sadder is that the Labour party have signed off on a lot of these austerity measures. That one’s extra hard to take.

              GE has to be SNP for me. I won’t vote Labour ever again until they return to their traditional socialist roots and policies. I won’t hold my breath on that one…

              • @raining well we can all sit and moan and go back to sleep or….

                Btw just want to say this.
                Some people made a video exposing some horrible stuff with bbc and offenders

                What happened? Google threatened them to delete their own video in case it might upset csa offenders. That is the uk today for you

  96. Ted you need strong underpants for all your
    Pmsl

    i got a bucket n shit in it too😉 saves on the water bills lol

  97. Yes bob there is a parallel there, which is probably why those who try to discredit your personal mission like to hit you with both types of discrimination ie mad conspiracy theorist and benefits scrounger. I hate those programmes called things like benefits street and on benefits and proud. Noone in their right mind is proud to be on benefits, but noone should be ashamed of it either. And as for that white dee woman, well I havent watched either programme, but I’ve seen an exerpt of her and she gives people who are mentally ill AND people who are claiming benefits a bad name. She slanders those who are unemployed “its too easy to claim benefits” and she is supposed to be too ill to work yet she’s discovered a media career (and made a fitness video) and is set to take on america! Reminds me a bit of sue marsh – if the price is right, she is well enough.

  98. Wonder if the landlord was the star of the horror film lol

  99. lol – doing a great job by themselves.

  100. bob – exactly – if any of us are ever in pontypool (or in goytre itself) we will know which hostelry to avoid, especially if we are looking for cutlery to be supplied with our bar lunch!

  101. Bob Tax Payer

    You are responsible for yourself…Stop whinging…get off your arse and stop wasting hard working tax payers money (yes there are decent, honest people working all the hours god sends on low wages) Why…because they have dignity, integrity and they get on with it. So shut up and get a job instead of moaning about how hard you’ve got it with your FREE rent, Council tax and whatever you say your “Entitled” to.

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