Is Iain Duncan Smith Bullshitting About Universal Credit? Of Course He Fucking Is

uc-surveyIain Duncan Smith has been back to his bull-shitting best with a string of wildly optimistic claims about the wonders of Universal Credit.

Alongside the Secretary of State’s rare appearances in the media this week, the DWP released a gushing report claiming that Universal Credit was already a huge success.  This document was based on cherry-picked information from two recent evaluations of the pilot scheme currently running in the North West of England which looked at the impact of the roll out of Universal Credit.

The truth is that there is really nothing useful that can really be learned from how Universal Credit (UC) will work across the board from the tiny amount of data so far available.  Only around 50,000 people have claimed UC so far, and there were far fewer than that when these evaluations were carried out.  More importantly, they are based on new claims only from single unemployed people with no significant health conditions.

One of these evaluations was a survey which compared the views of 900 people who had claimed UC against the same number of claimants on mainstream Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA).  In the DWP’s gushing summary of the evidence they declare that Universal Credit claimants were more likely to believe the benefits system is encouraging them to find work and that they were spending more time looking for work.  The DWP also claim huge support for the Claimant Commitment, the agreement unemployed people are now forced to sign which contains a list of largely pointless activities which people must carry out as part of their jobsearch.

As the table above shows, most claimants did believe that ‘some’ of the activities in their Claimant Commitment would help them find work.  But that’s just fucking obvious.  If it says in a Claimant Commitment that you must look for a job, then you are more likely to find work than if you don’t look for a job.  What is important is how the Claimant Commitment is viewed as a whole.  What the survey then shows it that 55% of people appear to have thought that some or all of the measures in the agreement were a waste of time, 59% of claimants thought that some or all of the measures did not take into account their personal circumstances and 46% of claimants thought that some or all of these actions were unachievable.  Disturbingly almost all of them, 76% of claimants, thought that Jobcentres would be checking up on whether they had carried out these pointless, unachievable activities.  What this suggests is that many claimants seem to have been concerned that they were being set up to be sanctioned.  95% of claimants were all too aware that their benefits could be stopped if they did not prove they were looking for work with 89% being aware they could lose benefits for being late to a meeting.

The DWP’s summary of the two reports, which was used for this week’s media offensive, failed to mention two other findings in the survey.  Claimants of UC were less confident that they would find work within three months, with only 76& agreeing compared to 78% of JSA claimants.  They were also significantly more likely to report that there were not enough jobs in the local area, with 36% of UC claimants agreeing this was the case compared to 30% of those on JSA.  This was not expected by the researchers who said it was “surprising as the JSA comparator areas were chosen on grounds that they have similar labour market conditions to the UC areas.”

Which brings us nicely on to the second evaluation which delved into the tax records of those who had been on Universal Credit as a means of finding out whether they had gained work or not after being on the benefit.

The problem facing researchers in carrying out these kinds of evaluations are finding two sets of claimants that are more or less the same in all areas except the one being examined – in this case whether they were claiming UC or JSA.  As noted above, the local labour market is important.  If one group is in an area of especially high unemployed compared to the other then this will skew the results.  Timing is also vital, unemployment goes up and down, so it is important to establish whether the claims were made at more or less the same time.  Another question is whether the claimants are the same – are they equally employable?  Perhaps most importantly is the experience they received.  Did Jobcentre advisors spend more time with UC claimants and provide more ‘help (stop laughing)?  Was the sanction and conditionality regime the same?  Was anyone put off claiming UC by the increased conditionality, such as someone with a health condition who may have decided to try and claim sickness benefits instead?

Sadly the researchers pretty much ignored the last few details, but there was an effort made to establish whether the claimants were roughly the same in terms of age, gender, histories of claiming benefits, sanctions applied etc.  Ethnicity was ignored, perhaps wrongly as the survey evidence showed that UC claimants were 10% more likely to be white.  Unemployment is around twice as high amongst people from ethnic minorities, this could be one small factor in why those on UC were more likely to get jobs.

And it’s fair to say that’s what this evaluation found.  Those who had claimed UC were a bit more likely to have found some work.  But this data is so noisy, with so many bodges, averages and assumptions, that this could be a fluke.  Or it could be down to a whole host of other factors which the researchers couldn’t control for, such as whether someone was pregnant – meaning they would be ineligible for UC, but would still be counted in the JSA group.

It could also mean that the fear of sanctions, as outlined in the survey evidence, might have led some claimants to take up jobs they would not otherwise have done.  This would no doubt please Iain Duncan Smith but it is a toxic scenario.  The people covered by these studies were largely the newly unemployed, and therefore the most employable.  Losing a job can be traumatic, and a recently sacked teacher or electrician does not usually run straight out to take a part time cleaning job on a zero hour contract.  People take a bit of time, not because they are workshy, but because they want a job they have studied or trained for.  If all Universal Credit is doing is bullying the most employable into low paid shitty jobs then it is failing everybody.  The tax payer doesn’t spend a fortune training nurses so they can stack shelves in Poundland.  This also means those who depend on those entry level jobs, who do not have large amounts of experience, stay long-term unemployed.

The results of these two evaluations suggest that Universal Credit could be the blueprint for a low waged, low skilled economy that we all feared.  But we don’t know that for sure.  Until people with kids, the self-employed, those working part time and people on sickness and disability benefits are brought into the mix we know nothing at all about how Universal Credit will function and that won’t be for years. The chances are that all it will do is shift unemploment around, with the most marginalised sanctioned and everyone else bullied into low paid work as soon as possible.  This whole reckless experiment could drag Iain Duncan Smith’s bungling legacy far into the future.  And to what end?  No-one knows.

You can read the survey evidence at: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-claimant-survey-nov-to-dec-2014-interim-findings

The evaluation based on tax records is at: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-estimating-the-early-labour-market-impacts

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184 responses to “Is Iain Duncan Smith Bullshitting About Universal Credit? Of Course He Fucking Is

  1. IDS is a madman. UC is going to cause massive upheaval. My partner and I have just started a joint claim for JSA. We have to prove job searching for 5 hours each day for each of us for every day or else. This will get even more burdensome when HB, tax credits etc, go under the UC banner. It it going to hell in the UK.

    • How can anybody reasonably be asked to prove they have spent 5 hours “looking for work”? What are we supposed to do? Video ourselves? And if you haven’t got a telephone or internet access at home, like me, what can you do for so many hours every week to look for work? I can only get 1 hour of internet access at my local library every day, unless it’s over-booked, visit the Jobcentre and look at the local papers once a week. I really have no clue how to fill so many hours alone at home looking for a job and when I asked the Jobcentre for advice they couldn’t give me any. I feel as if I’m being set up to be sanctioned by demanding that I do something that is, literally, impossible.

      • (I used my Dad’s laptop PC to make the post above which I can’t use when he’s not here during the day.)

      • Job Centre Plus Work Coach

        Don’t be so ridiculous; 5 hours a day is hardly enough time for a proper job-search. You have to adopt a ‘go-getter’ attitude; no point in just sitting at home, an employer is not going to knock on your door offering you a job, are they? Be more pro-active: send out speculative CVs, phone employers, if your CV is good enough an employer will even create a vacancy for you, how does that sound? Get out there, be seen: hand in your CV to local shops and businesses; is there a large shopping centre nearby you? Tap into the hidden jobs market: have you tried looking in shop windows, lots of jobs are advertised there. Or how about the adverts on supermarket notice boards, like most shoppers (and jobseekers) you probably walk past them without a second glance; well stay one step ahead of the competition and check them out, you will be most pleasantly surprised at what you find. This is just a few ideas to guide you into a more effective job-search; I am sure you can think of many others. Good luck with your job-search!

        • It’s all very well sayinggo round all the businesses and shops armed with your CV. But that’s no good when these places don’t even take your CV as they say each time ”sorry, it’s very quiet here and we don’t have no jobs available at our company”

          Job centre work roaches, like yourself, should try to step outside of your cushy, desk job in your centrally-heated offices and actually go out and about in your local area to see the job market for yourself instead of being totally reliant on that crappy jobmatch website.

          UJM doesn’t work, so you should get rid of it. Each time I make an application for a job on there, I never ever hear back from any employer I contact about their job vacancies. I can only assume that the jobs I apply for during my 35 hours per week searching don’t even exist and are only put on UJM just to fill up the otherwise empty pages.

          • Another Fine Mess

            Is this Job Centre Plus Work Coach post a wind up?

            The fantasticle and highly successful UJM, loved by employers and customers – is not even mentioned.

            If the idea is to help solve unemployment it fails even on that by admitting that all these ideas do is help you to stay one step ahead of the competition.

            Instead of queueing, If only all these people here had thought to look at the supermarket notice board instead.
            http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/aldi-1500-people-queue-three-3275527

            • Job Centre Plus Work Coach

              No, it’s not a wind-up. It goes without saying that Universal Jobmatch is a fantastic and excellent resource for both jobseekers and employers alike with over 50, 000 new job vacancies being posted every day. It is not, however, a one-stop-shop and jobseekers need to be more adventurous, imaginative, take more risks and be more pro-active in their job-searching activities.

              • JCP work roach is an obvious troll.

              • Another Fine Mess

                over 50, 000 new job vacancies being posted every day

                LOL.
                About 95% of them must be repeat postings and fakes.
                The number of real new jobs posted to UJ must be closer to 3,000 per day.

                I roughly estimate the number of unemployed getting a job due to their use of UJ at around 1 person per JC per day. Even I think that’s quite low but that’s what it comes out as!
                If you really are a JCWC and not a adviser at a provider perhaps you’d like to give us the actual figure of people getting a job through their UJ account at your JC. I’d be very happy for someone to show some evidence that my estimates are miles out, but they never do!

              • What excellent advice from JCP Work Coach.

                All you need now is access to my Universal Jobmatch account and that should increase my chances of finding work ten fold.

                OK. Ticking the box as we speak!

              • Quote ”No, it’s not a wind-up. It goes without saying that Universal Jobmatch is a fantastic and excellent resource for both jobseekers and employers alike with over 50, 000 new job vacancies being posted every day.” unquote

                I agree. Universal Jobmatch IS a fantastic resource – ONLY FOR TWATS LIKE YOURSELF FUCKING SPYING ON US 24/7 (IN BREACH OF ARTICLE 8 OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT) AND FOR FORCING ILLEGAL SANCTIONS AGAINST US IF WE DON’T APPLY FOR JOBS THAT LATER TURN OUT UN-SUITABLE FOR US. FUCKING DWP CUNT!

                WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD, DWP DICKHEAD.

                If there ARE jobs out there (as you claim to be on that illegal job website, they why are there endless re-posts of the same job filling up each page, and the same job is advertised in mroe than two towns at the same time. 99% of the jobs on UJM are either fake or lead to scammers trying to steal money from us. Each job I apply for on UJM, I always check the company through reverse I.P methods to see whether the company is legit or not. If when I do the reverse I.P method, the company I suspect to be dodgy, offering a too-good-to-be true job, always IS dodgy and the company is a one man band set up purely to harvest CV’s and scam people into illegal practices.

                I received an e-mail the other day, inviting me to a careers job fair in Glasgow. I did some deep digging around about the company inviting me to their jobs fair and it turned out that the person behind the company was previously involved with a scam energy company racket here in the UK and involved previously with a scam travel agent business. Those two previous companies he ran were NOT even registered with companies house as they had written off these two failed / dodgy business ventures.

                Oh, the jobs he was advertising through this fake careers fair in glasgow were for sales advisors and sales representatives via UNIVERSAL JOBMATCH. I did some checking around for this jobs fair, and guess what? THIS JOBS FAIR WAS NON-EXISTANT JUST A FUCKING SCAM TO PART PEOPLE WITH THEIR MONEY AND TO HARVEST THEIR CV’S FOR FUTURE SCAM PURPOSES.

                NOW FUCKING TELL ME, JOB COACH DICK, THAT UNIVERSAL JOBMATCH IS SAFE TO USE AND THE BEST WAY TO FIND JOBS. FUCKING CUNT.

                • Every Lidl Helps

                  You’re right Fen. I applied for the same jobs every week for nearly 12 months. The only thing that changed was the job ID until eventually that was repeated. Never heard from any of them and they’re still on the Universal JobShite today, a year later.

                  Still, it kept the JCP Advisor happy, which is all that counts. Eh!

                • Frustrated Jobseeker

                  Yes, quite possibly there is 50,000 new listings every day but listing are not the same as actual REAL job VACANCIES. There is a world of difference between listings and real job vacancies. Every time I log in to that heap of shite UJM (and I have to cos I will get sanctioned if I don’t !) it is page after page of the same old same old scam, ‘scraped’, ‘cut-n-paste’, ‘agency’, bogus ‘vacancies’ that are posted day-in-day-out, month-in-month-out. In fact a genuine job vacancy is as rare as hen’s teeth. I resent it too because it wastes the limited time I have to job-search on the library computer (only an hour!), and I have never got to the end of the 50,000 new listings/vacancies a day! Anyway, as we all know (including you Job Centre Work Roach) and as Fen Tiger says UJM has got nowt to do with job-search – it is nowt but a spying and sanctioning tool! Job Centre Work Coach, you fuckers and your patronising bollocks really piss me off – seriously!

        • How the heck can I sent out a blitz of speculative CVs when I can’t afford to buy stationary or stamps and have no internet to do so electronically? I don’t have a telephone (mobile or landline) and the Jobcentre says that I can’t use theirs unless I am actually applying for one of their advertised vacancies. I don’t know what century you’re living in but I haven’t seen a business advertising for staff in a supermarket or newsagent’s window for years.

          If the Jobcentre want me to look for work this intensively they should at the very least provide facilities for me to be able to do so, or give me some guidance how to do so, because I can’t fund this amount of Jobhunting out of my Jobseeker’s Allowance (which helpful George Osborne would freeze indefinitely if he had his way).

          I think you’re probably being satirical but looking for a job is different from having a full-time job because when you’re working you are assigned things to do, or told what to do, not expected to make up things to do under threat of the direst penalties if you can’t find it in yourself to be inventive enough. It’s the easiest thing in the world to demand 50 “steps” from some poor sod in their claimant committment and another thing altogether to actually concoct enough “steps” to avoid sanction.

          The current regime is a disgrace.

          It is designed so that people will fail.

        • If every Job Seeker were,say, 20% more energetic in their job-searching each one would still stand exactly the same chance of getting a job.
          Being more competitive won’t create more vacancies, but it will favour those who can take the stress involved. The others will be less able to get work. Your role is therefore pointless,and so are sanctions. Neither create jobs.
          Unless the point is to leave people with no financial support.

          • When I say ” your role” I am addressing this JCP work coach.

          • Excuse me? Most jobs aren’t advertised coz they’re filled from within. I started on. 5 hours a week in a school. Then I was offered extra 12 hours then another 12. If I hadn’t been there I’d still probably b signing on.it’s not as simple as looking in shop windows or blitzing with your cv n

        • At the end of the yellow job-search road the wicked work coach will be there to scowl and cast a malevolent doubt on your job-search that the omnipotent Decision Maker will materialise into a sanction on all subsistence income, ain’t no social security at the end of the yellow job-search road.

        • Ok several problems.. walking round the shops.. how many people are doing the same thing.. dropping off cv’s 100, 200, or more every week.. what happens when you have given them all your cv..do you start again from the beginning, How many cv’s hit these companies.. thousands every day when are they going to do their own jobs.. Soon these employers will be sick and tired of the same cv’s created by the dwp/work programme people.. and ISNT it your job to find people work.. of course you are a work coach.. which means if i get a job you claim you did it.. if i dont you blame me.. its a bloody cushty role.. you win either way…Employers WILL not create a post for you, You can send thousands of cv’s off each day but if the employers dont want you, cant afford to hire you.. they will not..

        • Are you for real ?_I did all that despite being a highly qualified nurse. Bullying people into shitty entry level zero hr work doesnt do individuals or the country any good.
          We know the real reason for UC and the claimant commitment is to bully and harass the unemployed/sickness claimants.
          What do Work Coaches do? From my experience very little, no different from what you did from before! Just a change of job title.
          I wanted to become a self employed taxi driver with work readily available, put in for funding. What did the National Careers Advisor say? You’ll be lucky (applied for just £340), despite providing all coatings and legal requirements, 7 weeks later still no reply from Jobcentre senior management!
          Thankfully I got a job, a good one no thanks to useless Jobcentre staff.

          Time Jobcentre staff, stop insulting and patronising claimants. Encourage and develop people like other countries do.

    • I think that you are right.

  2. Universal Credit is designed to reduce poverty by making work pay

    It’s the reduce poverty bit I would have problems with

    and ” making work pay”

    Really? And after them offering employers all that free labour as well

    So are they going to tell every employer that that must pay decent wages?
    Somehow I don’t think they will

    • What if after being on UC you find it hasn’t reduced your poverty and that work doesn’t pay can you sue DWP for making false claims?

      • And what if they fuck up all your tax records because the shitty thing doesn’t work
        What’s in it for the tax payer?
        Do they get a statement saying thanks for your money this is what you got back in return ?

        • I’m a working single mum on the old tax credits n hb. Recently I took on more hours. The job is cleaning and back breaking. I have a back problems already and arthritis. The increase I now have to pay in rent and council tax cancels out the extra money I earn. If I was on uc could I say work isn’t paying me??–with out fears of sanctions??

      • Unfortunately It is not a criminal offence to tell lies in parliament!

  3. Want to know all email contacts for all 650 MPs?.

    http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/

    Time to start mass emailing of this lot, go for it people.

    • Appeto the company employs around 500 people at its Trowbridge base and employs 2,000 people nationwide, with additional numbers in the firm’s Wiltshire Farm Food home delivery franchise.

      Mr Freeston said: “Nobody knows when the horse meat situation is going to end and clearly there has been some criminal activity along the way, but hopefully the whole industry will come out of it stronger.”

      Wiltshire Farm Foods got a Queens award for Industry on the advice of the Pm

      Oh and they are company that makes meals for the elderly. Just so you know

      Oh and Appeto is a German company too

  4. David Cameron: Unemployed young ‘should do community work’ – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31500763

    Cameron suggests doing community work for their benefit like ‘making meals for old people ‘ such as a shitty factory who get a nice backhanders for starving the elderly by cutting back and using cheap resources so yeah back to working for fuck all dressed up to look like ” contributing to society ”

    I mean doing all those goods deeds and you have the nerve to talk about getting paid? How selfish of you tut tut

    • Question – If a young person does something as the ConCons are saying they must – and a accident occurs who is liable? The Young Person for being forced to do it? The “Employer” [Read Slave Master DWP/Work Prog Provider]? If they got sick for the same reason there would be a hell of a lot of angry parents wanting/demanding compensation.

      Good luck with this absolutley brilliant Idea. Really.

    • Like Labour’s New Deal this scheme will start with the young and then be extended to older age groups. Making the unemployed work for no wages has always been a Tory wet dream. The only thing that stopped it in the past was an unwillingness to fork out the money needed to administer such schemes.

  5. IBS is so far up his own arse he could take his own appendix out

  6. IDS lost the Conservatives the election because in even if they do win they are not fit for purpose & with on line vote rigging. IDS`s plans are illegal. Even the stupidity IDS discussing illegal practices make it not fit for purpose. Only 50,000 people on UC instead of the 1 million so far. The word failure does not exist for the stupidity of an un elected bunch of confidence tricksters. Facts are lies & lies & facts. Micky Mouse & Blue Peter poll a tricks. The CONS are so busy trying to fuck up all the other parties in legislation to be called a dictatorship. Making a mockery of the English Language that it has become gibberish & gobbledygook. Perhaps we should all talk gibberish & gobbledygook to be heard by the stupidity ears that muffle a mumble.

  7. I put the YT CH4 interview 16th Feb 2015 in the last thread but is fitting here as well. Comedy shows at the empty jobcentre.

  8. Leave it to the lawyers IDS at £1,000 an hour. Over & Out in litigation.

  9. If young people get their money cut off, some of them will just get into crime.

  10. If hes not bullshitting then theres going to be long ques of working peoples who are going to be called into their local
    jcp to be told whot are they doing to get off benefits you see
    this demon rtu ids will have much cannon fodder to sanction
    now has they claiming a working tax credit or child yes hel
    sanction the lot jeff3

  11. His sidekick McVile is appearing on Loose Women tomorrow afternoon, perhaps she knows her job in politics is finished and she’s looking to get back into presenting tv.

    • The only TV presenting job Fester McVile is capable of is being on QVC. She already flogs us a load of old rubbish and claptrap, being IDS’ sub-serviant mouthpiece.

    • That’s the way Loose Women works… first you appear as a guest… then you join the panel… then you end up presenting it…😀 McVile must be desperate though to be trying to edge into a permanent gig on this great bid steaming pile of poo…😀

      • I managed to watch the programme without sticking my boot through the tv screen. McVile said she would like to be prime minister. God help us all.

  12. you will be held responsible

    George smith ignore the Iain and Duncan bit he made them up along with it’s CV dirty murdering cunt

  13. you will be held responsible

    i blame the death of my lifelong mate on this dirty little cunts hands

  14. …………….JUST MY PREDICTION:

    “THE SYSTEM WILL BECOME SO CLOGGED WITH FAILURE, THAT IT WILL BE WITHDRAWN AND THE OLD SYSTEM REINSTATED”

    “PCS STAFF WILL QUIT AS THE SYSTEM GOES INTO FREEFALL AND OFFICE PRESSURE MAKES THEIR POSITIONS UNTENABLE”

    “RATHER THAN ADMIT THAT THE SYSTEM WAS DOOMED FROM THE OUTSET, THE DWP WILL SUSPEND IT AND CLAIM THAT IT IS ONLY A HICCUP”

    “THE HIDDEN MORTALITY RATES WILL RISE AS A RESULT OF NON PAYMENT TO THOSE IN GREATEST NEED”

    “MORE AND MORE CHILDREN WILL BE DRIVEN INTO ABJECT POVERTY AS THEIR PARENTS ARE DRIVEN FROM THEIR HOMES”

    “MORE AND MORE DISEASES AND AILMENTS NOT SEEN SINCE THE TURN OF THE CENTURY WILL BECOME MORE PROMINENT”

    “THE GOVERNMENT MINISTERS AND PARLIAMENTRY AIDES WILL EVENTUALLY FACE THE COURTS FOR THEIR ACTIONS THAT CLEARLY BREACH THE HUMAN RIGHTS, EQUALITY AND DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION”

    ……………………………..GEOFF REYNOLDS

    • …………..and finally:

      “WATER CANNONS, ARMED POLICE AND MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES WILL BE UTILISED TO QUELL RIOTING THAT BREAKS OUT IN MORE THAN ONE CITY AS THE UNREST GATHERS MOMENTUM”

  15. A very good 10min video spiel by a Retiring Surgical Consultant about the Problems of the NHS.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31506317

    He tells it as it is

  16. Isn’t U.C the one that if you are working Part time and claim it .. you will have to go to the JC and explain why you haven’t found more hours or a different job and you will to spend a few hours doing job searching to get off all benefits and of course for every £ you earn they take a large % of you. This way its win win for the Government.
    This will cause money trouble for some.
    I also must say that at that J.C not a lot of work is being done it’s empty, at mine the JC staff are worked of their feet…. Mind you if that pratt was in the J.C where i go the first thing would not have been to shake his hand… 50 shades of grey comes to mind without the safe word!

  17. David Cameron: Unemployed young ‘should do community work’ – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31500763

    Young people forced into doing 30 hours per week of Unpaid “Community Work”? – The claimant should not be punished and treated as a criminal just because they have been out of work for 6 months.

    As a last resort to being sent to Prison, the Courts will issue an amount of Unpaid “Community Service” work for serious criminal offences – this is exactly the same?

  18. Reblogged this on Christopher John Ball and commented:
    So Iain Duncan Smith wasn’t being honest shock! It has to be taken as a given that he lies, lying is Iain Duncan Smith’s only option. As with everything he touches though – he isn’t actually very good at it. When I read the laughable research within the DWP document I felt it would shame a student. It wasn’t peer reviewed, it didn’t back up what it claimed and, as has been shown below, it left out information that put a different slant on things. All as to be expected from that waste of space Iain Duncan Smith.

  19. Vote for CLASS WAR!!

    EAT THE RICH!!

    • Coalition ‘Incapable Of Listening’ To Universal Credit Concerns, Says SNP

      The Scottish National Party (SNP) has slammed the Tory-led coalition Government over their apparent inability to listen to serious concerns raised over the roll out of welfare reforms in Scotland.

      Numerous welfare organisations have called for the roll out of Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payments to be immediately halted, while plans to devolve some welfare powers to Scotland are carried out.

      In January, fifty-six charity organisations wrote to the Work and Pensions Secretary, Iain Duncan Smith MP, urging an immediate halt to welfare reforms in Scotland.

      Despite these concerns, Iain Duncan Smith has today announced the UK Government’s intention to speed up the national roll out of Universal Credit.

      SNP Work and Pensions spokesperson Dr Eilidh Whiteford MP said:

      “As the rollout of Universal Credit steps up a gear today, the Westminster Government has once again shown that it is completely incapable of listening.

      http://www.welfareweekly.com/coalition-incapable-listening-universal-credit-concerns-says-snp/

  20. Wigan Council are urging volunteers to give up their spare time to run services the council can no longer afford. People are chipping in by filling potholes, marking roads, and giving their local areas a lick of paint.
    What do you think? Would you be willing to pitch in? on granada news

    • they all fucking lie

      Yes, Acutally i would chip in some free time if i wasnt being forced to document 5 hours a day looking for jobs that are being given to the bloddy rominians or to those on workfair who couldnt give a toss about what they are doing, with the likes of asda for instance thoe orderpickers who are on workfair do such a bad job that they cannot tell the difference between asda tomato sauce and a bag of fucking tomatos as this is one of many substitions that were totaly incorrect in my grandmas shopping this week. fuck those lazy ass bastards, give me that job and i will do it properly.

    • Every Lidl Helps

      As most people said on Granada news, no they wouldn’t. The more we volunteer and do stuff for nothing, the more they’ll slash the budgets.

      It’s like some voluntary workfare. Cameron’s Big Society where everything gets done for fuck all except in Tory constituencies, naturally!

    • Definitely not and anyone who does is a complicit idiot. This is Cameron’s big society shite! Remember that?

      Anyway as if that isn’t bad enough; they’re talking about you filling potholes!!! That isn’t just something you can just casually do! As simple as it sounds it really has a lot more to it than that. Then you get safety aspects of it and all the other ramifications of it. Then they would then use that as an excuse to get rid of paid staff and get volunteers or workfare drones to do it.

      Marking roads? What? like the white lines? That is a specialized job!! What are you trying to do in Wigan? Do people out of paid work? I actually can’t believe that anyone from a place like Wigan would consider this. Tell them to piss off and quickly.

      • you can get to a stage of being replaced by yourself.. but with no wage.. there are people who are saying get dss people to do it free force them rather than ask people.. they dont see if it carries on no one will have a job and no money to spend..just wait til the dwp thinks its a good idea and force people to work for the state for nothing

      • We already know, but IDS must be a fucking madman to even consider having workfare drones repairing pot-holes on the road; having worked in road maintenance I can tell you that it is so easy to ‘sabotage’ what appears to be on the surface a seemingly simple job but in reality is a multi-layered complex task either by neglect or deliberate malice; this latest ‘brain-wave’ from IDS is an accident waiting to happen – literally! The smirking dumb-fucks who support this insane idea will be laughing on the other side of their face when their car falls into the road – literally!

      • they all fucking lie

        so those who volunteer there free time out of good will are complicit idiots?
        I voulenteer for an organisation called fairshares, i give an hour of my time to help some one who might need some dog walking done becuase they are unable to due to being in hospitial and i get an hour back from the time bank in return its a community project so no! we are not idiots and its got fuck all to do with twatface at number 10 big society.

        • BBC HEADLINE ‘PRINCE CHARLES IN LONDONS SUPER SEWER’

          Ah that’s no way to talk about his family

        • Not exactly the same as the issues we’re talking about. Volunteering to walk a dog, because the owners in hospital, is not a job. Doing someone out of work, because you’re willingly doing their job for nothing, does on the other hand indeed make that person complicit in Cameron’s big society idea as they are ruining other people’s chances of paid employment because they’re doing jobs, that should be paid employment, for nothing..

          • Let’s ask the poverty pimps to volunteer to do their work for the good of the community. As in actually fucking help! I doubt it.

            Better still, let’s mandate them to volunteer.

    • “THE POLICE CAN TRACK A TERRORIST BUT LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHEN KILLING TAKES PART ON A REGULAR BASIS IN IT’S BACKYARD”

      ………………..Politicians can rape and abuse kids, murder the poor and disabled and walk away unscathed……….

      “KEEP LOOKING THE OTHER WAY MR. PLOD, WOULDN’T WANT TO ROCK THE APPLECART, WOULD YOU?”

      A Labour MP has said she is “shocked” that a senior civil servant will not be examining whether there is evidence that the government was to blame over any of 49 benefit-related deaths.

      Labour MP Debbie Abrahams spoke out after Disability News Service (DNS) told her that the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) does not intend to produce the information for her.

      Last week, Abrahams asked Chris Hayes, DWP’s labour market strategy director, whether any of 49 peer reviews of benefit-related deaths had found the department’s actions to have been “inappropriate or incorrect”.

      He told her – during an evidence session held by the Commons work and pensions select committee – that he would “have to look at the peer reviews in detail” in order to answer her question.

      But a DWP press officer subsequently told DNS that Hayes was not intending to produce that information and did not “commit to looking at the detail for Abrahams”.

      When told of the DWP response, Abrahams, MP for Oldham East and Saddleworth, said: “I was shocked to hear that Chris Hayes, the labour market strategy director at the DWP, will not be looking at the peer reviews in detail, despite indicating that he would in his evidence.

  21. it’s about time these tossers were out of parliament.duncan smith has wasted millions of pounds on worthless schemes.universal jobmatch is the worst jobs website,the work programme is the worst programme that there has ever been.how the bastard has the nerve to talk about getting people off welfare.even his party cant stand the cunt.

    • “WHAT ABOUT CHRISTOPHER GRAHAM?”
      The man in charge of hiding DWP generated deaths from the public eye.
      Hides behind the title of FREEDOM OF INFORMATION COMMISSIONER, more a spineless cowardly guttersnipe that is afraid of losing his well paid position as the man with no balls……………………

  22. “DOES THE DWP EMPLOY DISABLED OR THOSE WITH INCURABLE MEDICAL CONDITIONS?”

    From: Jim Thorne

    17 February 2015

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,
    I would like to know from your Department, in respect of the year
    2014 (where relevant):

    1) What is the DWP policy regarding the employment by DWP of
    persons who are disabled or who have incurable medical conditions?
    2) Does the DWP require private contractors to apply the same
    policy?
    How does the DWP monitor private contractors’ performance in this
    respect?
    3) How many DWP staff in the last year were either disabled or
    suffering from an incurable medical condition?

    Yours faithfully,

    Jim Thorne

    Link to this
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/employment_by_dwp_of_disabled_pe#incoming-619134

  23. There is a way to escape this cruel regime and for not one of the big parties to be in government after May.

    See how at:
    http://www.anastasia-england.me.uk

  24. How much power do benefit claimants have?

    2010 election results were briefly:
    Tories 10,727,614 votes.
    Labour 8,609,527 votes.
    Libdem 6,836,824 votes.

    20.3 million people get some kind of benefit, be it pensions, in work benefit, out of work benefit, any benefit in fact. If the 9.6 million pensioners are taken off this figure, that would leave:
    10.7 million benefit claimants, a figure similar to the amount of Tory votes!.

    This shows that if everyone who ever claimed, or is claiming did not vote Tory at all, the Tories would be over.

    10.7 million benefit claimants is a force to be reckoned with. They have bullied claimants too long. Make sure you vote, it is all you have. Be sure you are registered to vote.

    https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

  25. Can anyone comment on if you had found employment for 6 months and then return to sign on as a new claimant do you have to return to the WP.

  26. The administrative technicalities of JSA/UC should not distract from or overshadow the extra conditionality that is being forced on claimants.

    No Qualifications but….I am a Chocolatier.

  27. Watch out for the predestination sanction from the work coaches imaginary friend the omnipotent Decision Maker.

  28. Iain Duncan Smith’s bullshitting = 4 sanctions and £0 subsistence income for the last month.

    Austerity or what, not even a $ a day, any f*ckin progressive liberal want to argue the niceties of absolute and relative poverty NOW?

    Iain Duncan Smith can afford to look smug.

  29. Seeing is believing

    George only feels like that cos when he was on the dole his wife did him up the rear with a cucumber and told him her Daddy was displeased; the neighbors knew they were skint and Mrs Monroe from the Knitting circle would not come to their House any more..
    George has been averse to cucumber ever since.

  30. Labour makes animal welfare election pledges

    The only time the Labour Party can bring themselves to say welfare, they probably watched too many Disney voiced animal films when they were kids. UKIP maybe swivel-eyed loons but Labour are swivel-eyed loons and political fraudsters.

    Can not even take a complaint concerning the DWP/JCP to the local Labour MP, know for a fact he is a staunch supporter of welfare conditionality and sanctions – hope the SNP defeat Labour in the constituency.

    A couple more weeks of sanctions and I will be poaching for the pot how about that for an animal welfare pledge.

  31. Designed so loads of young people wont do it, whoopi do youth unemployment solved cos these people don’t exist.
    But wait it gets even better for I assume a lot of young people will be forced to turn to crime, unless mummy can support which is what DC is expecting from the Chelsea tractor brigade. But the poor fuckers on estates are gonna say fuck it maybe I’ll get a community service order if i’m caught so what the friging difference.
    So the call will go up from from the tory elite we need to be tough on crime we need more prisons for these low-life poor peasant scum. Quick give some lucrative contracts to g4s to build/run some more private prisons.

  32. The way that Idi Amin Smith acts, you would naturally assume that he was a distant cousin to Himmler.

    Both people have had blood on their hands.

  33. Reblogged this on Beastrabban’s Weblog and commented:
    Johnny Void here critiques ‘Underpants’ Iain Duncan Smith’s continued promotion of Universal Credit, pointing out that its conclusions are inconclusive at the moment. The stats used by Smith to tout is as a success are very carefully chosen. Among the statistics that IDS definitely won’t like is the figure that 55 per cent of claimants thought that some or all of the agreement were a waste of time, and 76 per cent believed that they Jobcentre would spy on them to check they were looking for work.
    As for IDS promoting UC as a great success – of course he is. This, along with brutally throwing claimants off benefits to starve in the street, is his big idea. He has no others, and in most respects is a thoroughly dismal mediocrity. He needs to promote this in order to convince the electorate that his tenure of office hasn’t been the total failure it is.

  34. * Got this from his own falsifying website –

    quote ”About Iain Duncan Smith

    Iain Duncan Smith was educated at Dunchurch College of Management, the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst, the Universita per Stranieri in Perugia and HMS Conway in Anglesey. As part of the Scots Guards, Iain saw active service in Northern Ireland and Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and served in Canada and Germany. Iain later worked for GEC-Marconi, a defence company, and Bellwinch, a property company. He has also been on the board of Jane’s Information Group, a publishing company. Iain married Betsy in 1982 and they have four children – Harry, Edward, Rosie and Alicia. ” unquote

    Where he mentions he spent time in Zimbabwe, he would have probably been with the Zulu’s fighting against the British. So not only is he a compulsive liar, but also a potential traitor to the UK by fighting against us as part of the Zulu tribes.

    He will be the first to be tried for crimes of treason and against humanity and he will be publicly hung on the lamp post outside Number 10 Downing Street when hanging is brought back.

  35. Oppose Universal Credit

    Tory Scum Out of Office

    Rebuild the Weldfare State Increase Welfare Benefits

    Crack Down on Victimisation of the Poor

    • they all fucking lie

      and how are you going to achieve this? by voting ukip, labour ? monster raving loony party, The greens? may as well vote for micky mouse

  36. Welfare Yes Warmongering in Afghanistan or against Russia No

    Tax the Rich Hands Off the Poor

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  38. Vote for CLASS WAR!!

    DOUBLE DOLE & PENSION

  39. Unemployment down to 1.86 million today. Well, that’s incredible!!! I think the members of this govt should be immediately allowed into the ‘Magic Circle’ as they’re plainly magicians of the highest order!! I mean they make thousands of people disappear at the drop of a hat!

    • The reasons why the un-employment figures have fallen is because people have been sanctioned out of JSA and thus closed their benefit claims, or people have been forced into self-employment or zero-hour contracts by corrupt cwp providers (SEETEC WANKERS)

      The government cannot prove hard evidence otherwise that real jobs are instead being created.

      • Very true and does it not show you the scope of these sanctions and the amount of these corrupt charities and business’s taking workfare drones on for slave labor and to fiddle the UE figures?

        Without the participation of these scum ‘charities’ the workfare program would fall apart. it’s these creeps who are enabling it and allowing it to continue.

  40. overburdenddonkey

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/ministers-are-reaching-beyond-scroungers-and-aiming-britain-s-working-poor re uc secondary legislation..see also JRT articles on this subject, work more get less….not only does uc not bolt together within itself, it attempts to bolt to what is already in place…
    making work pay it does not/cannot function, notwithstanding there is little work (inc flexible work hrs) out there anyway…is there a uc virtual map out there…?

  41. Was looking into the Telegraph/HSBC story over at OpeDemocracy site and came across this:

    An Analysis of Workfare et al, Parts 1 to 4
    https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/deborah-padfield/work-programme-people-and-economy-part-4-%27failure%27-and-%27success%27

    Links to the previous 3 parts are at the bottom of the article.

    • HSBC offices in Geneva have been raided by Swiss prosecutors investigating alleged money laundering. The UK headquartered bank faces criminal investigations in the US, Belgium, France and Argentina, but not yet in the UK.

  42. Making work pay – a policy of hyperpenury inflating the perceived value of below subsistence pay.

  43. People already in work are losing their jobs daily, and thanks to the nobhead government, are being replaced by people OUT OF WORK, being forced into slavery through CWP for NO PAY.

    So how the fuck is this going to create jobs. Paid jobs are slowly being replaced by CWP slavery placements. The company instead of paying a wage to the worker, keeps the worker for nothing through CWP, and the company gets paid by the CWP provider.

    MONEY IS BEING WASTED ON CWP INSTEAD OF BEING USED TO CREATE REAL JOBS THAT WOULD BENEFIT PEOPLE PROPERLY. CWP DOESN’T WORK. IT IS JUST SLAVE, FORCED FREE LABOUR THAT IS DEEMED ILLEGAL BY THE EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE UNITED NATIONS.

    THIS GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT AND NEEDS TO BE TAKEN TO ACCOUNT FOR ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING SLAVE LABOUR. CWP DOESN’T CREATE JOBS, NOR LEADS TO A PAID JOB, IT JUST REMOVES THEM AND DENIES PEOPLE A BETTER STANDARD OF LIVING.

  44. That would Require a Court of True Justice and Political Revolution
    would Help towards That

    Just as the Nazis are Banned from Political Life in Germany
    the Tories and Liberal Democrats should be so from Political Life
    by People having the Common Sense Not to Vote For Nation
    Wreckers

    Tax the Rich Hands Off the Poor Socialism Not Slavery

  45. People Need to Protesting En Masse in the Millions Not Watching the
    Mind Numbing Rubbish on Tunnel Vision TeleVision

    Oppose Slave Labour Exploitation Support Social Justice via
    Constitutional Protection For Welfare Provision

    Better the Red Flag than the Chains of Slavery and Oppression

  46. It clearly says on IDS’ own website that, and I quote –

    ”He is unable to settle private disputes with neighbours or employers, nor can he help in family arguments or consumer matters. he cannot interfere with decisions made in court.” unquote

    Therefore, if I take him to court over my sanction last year and the judge rules in my favour, IDS can’t do fuck all about it.

  47. The 20th of February Mark’s The Anniversary of Adolf HitlerSecret Meeting For Election Funds in 1933 AD.

    This Included many Members of Big Business and gave Around Two Million Reichsmarks at the Meeting to Fund the Nazi Campaign.

    The Nazis got Money from Big Business and were a Tragic Disaster For Germany and the German People.

    The ConDems are Stooges of Greedy Big Business and are a Disaster
    For Great Britain and the British People

    No Vote For Parties which Kowtow to Slave Labour Exploitation and
    Oppress the Poor

    Poverty is a Tool of Oppression

  48. The colour green is considered a colour of bad luck. Are the jobcentres, with their green banner signs, trying to tell us we are in deep shit each time we enter their buildings?

    Or maybe their previous choice of colour for the JCP banner sign, being orange, was a bit too flashy even for them?

  49. Compare and contrast these payback programmes and note how these programmes have almost identical wording

    * Community Service * – for the rehabilitation of prisoners

    * Community Work Programme * – for the un-employed jobseeker

    Proof that CWP is modelled on the system used for ex-prisoners and lawbreakers residing on probation. In both situations, people are having to work for nothing to pay off their debt to society, either for breaking the law or for simply being out of work.

    The jobseeker is now being placed in the same category as a career criminal. Won’t be long now before being un-employed will be a criminal offence in itself and the out-of-work jobseeker gets banged up at her majesty’s pleasure in HMP Broadmoor for not trying hard enough to secure work.

  50. David Camoron’s big society. Bollocks.

    What he really means is that the poor work for the rich and don’t get fuck all money for slogging their guts outs to keep the rich in luxury and gold-plated pensions.

    Un-employed job-seeker ”Please sir, can I have some more?”

    DWP ”No. Fuck off you scabby dole dosser. Here’s another four week sanction you are now on, on top of your current three month suspension, for simply asking us for assistance”

  51. Iain Dunken Shite. A man so stupid he believes his own self arrogance and importance. He won’t be strutting around with his nose in the air for much longer if we vote the lying, one man death machine out of power come the May election.

  52. Another five years of the coalition between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats and we will all be condenmed to a life of poverty. Camoron wanting to do another ‘Big Society’ pledge will have gone up in smoke as a failed vote winner.

  53. OT: About UC et al from Ipswich Unemployed Site

    Universal Credit farce hid tax system bodge

    http://www.computerweekly.com/cgi-bin/mt-search.cgi?search=Universal+Credit+farce+hid+tax+system+bodge&IncludeBlogs=102

    Why do I see the complete system collasping under its own weight? [Note, incomplete data, insufficient users – no stress testing, software bugs, incomplete software, running mim of 2 years late, dependent on outside data, can you imagine the s*&/5 that’l hit the fan when people under pay/over pay tax – business’s going bust- The ConCons are not just Nuts but Insane!] Any one of these can cause a initiative to fail – here we have multiple and its on going!

    You really could not make this S&%$ up. As they say on TV, “There will be Trouble ahead…”

  54. Oh forgot to mention signed on and no Hint at requesting I use UJM, no written reply from managers at Job Centre explaining why they are getting lower ranked staff to push this rubbish – no surprise there as would be putting their own nuts into a cracker [thereby Failing Civil Service Code – being able to explain Actions ie be honest, inpartial, objective and by being able to explain in writing having Integrity]. Who wants to admit Management Chain is involved in Harrassment?
    Manager who sat next to myself no where to be seen.
    Threat to call me in to see another advisor about a non-existant event, and threaten Sanction never materalised. Strange that.
    Time for hand delivered verified written requests for replies is coming.

  55. Don’t need to look far to understand why this is happening.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31533551

  56. Fen Tiger,

    Criminals are part of the striving class (risk takers) and are to be tolerated while the virtuous shirking class is to be criminalised for being risk averse.

    • IDS, on that basis and taking big risks with our money is the biggest criminal of them all. He makes Ronnie Biggs look like Mother Teresa, with his big-mouthed threats to anybody who dares challenge him on his universal cock-up of the system.

      He won’t stop until everybody below him and not in government is homeless, destitute and reliant on drugs or booze. The fool won’t even dare visit a jobcentre until the police or JCP security goons have cleared the building of jobseekers, and not forgetting the time when he scarpered through the back door of a JCP when confronted by an angry mob pissed off at him.

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  58. IDS will destroy the economy if he is not careful by making everybody poor.

    • Another Fine Mess

      He’s already done both.
      Re-training 1/3 of the workforce of all ages as unpaid shelf-stackers and recycling operatives won’t turn out well, even before you consider that some of the unpaid placements are created by ‘letting go’ those that were paid to do that job.

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  60. Sir Another Fine Mess

    If there really are over 50, 000 new job vacancies being posted every day on UJM, and probably another 80,000 on companies own and specialist sites that don’t even make it to UJM.
    Then why don’t advisors, and work coaches simply give out 1 semi-suitable vacancy to each claimant, and simply tell them to simply take it or else a 10 year sanction.
    Assuming that there is 1 vacancy per claimant(if fact with 50k per day there’s many more ‘vacancies’ per claimant, so they could have a choice). It would only take 2 weeks for everyone to have a job of some description, and for unemployment to be 0%.
    You’d have to add a bit for those that had become newly unemployed during that 2 weeks, say another 2 days. So, in just 16 days we could have full employment.

    There’s no need to make a correction for the vacancies stolen by those already employed, because you don’t start with 50,000 on the first day, you start the first day with a cool 650,000 vacancies.(yeah right!)

    Why spend 10s of £bns on stuff like the Waste Programme, when the solution is so simple and £free.
    Perhaps I’m looking at a knighthood here. : )

    “They were also significantly more likely to report that there were not enough jobs in the local area, with 36% of UC claimants agreeing this was the case compared to 30% of those on JSA. This was not expected by the researchers who said it was “surprising as the JSA comparator areas were chosen on grounds that they have similar labour market conditions to the UC areas.””

    The researchers shouldn’t have been surprised if they’d done any, or a least enough research. They could have done it by simply reading some of our posts here over the last 2+ years. When they keep ignoring not enough jobs in the local area, they’ll keep getting caught out, just like all the Waste Programme providers did.

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  62. The Left’s abuse of the race card plays into the Coalition’s hands

    • Figures released last week by the Department for Work and Pensions show that nearly one in five jobseekers-allowance claimants are currently being sanctioned because they didn’t turn up to an appointment, refused a job, or walked out on one. In 2010/11, 15 per cent of JSA claimants were subject to sanctions. This went up to 16 per cent in 2012/13 and by 2013/14 it was up to 18 per cent – that’s 568,430 out of 3,097,630 claimants.
      These figures follow a recent parliamentary inquiry, a slew of reports claiming some of those subject to sanctions have committed suicide, and claims that a harsh, target-setting culture has been put in place, forcing bullied jobcentre staff to sanction benefit claimants unfairly. This is something the government denies. Rachel Reeves, shadow work and pensions secretary, has nevertheless declared that a Labour government wouldn’t impose such cold-hearted targets.
      But is it necessarily wrong to exert more pressure on claimants to get them off benefits? Are they all vulnerable victims picked on by the cruel coalition government, as the critics claim? Do they all need more hand-holding or ‘support’ in order to get them job-ready? Or are they just being patronised? I appreciate there are structural reasons why jobs can be hard to come by today. But that doesn’t mean that individuals bear no responsibility for finding work. The new, more robust sanctioning regime may well, as employment minister Esther McVey suggests, be a much-needed kick up the backside for those stuck in a state-dependent rut.
      Of course, the sorts of things jobcentre bureaucrats worry over – such as the number of online job searches an IT-illiterate claimant performs in a week – are not going to make much of a difference to claimants’ job prospects. But, still, people who claim benefits are more often than not perfectly capable of finding themselves a job. Dependency on benefits not only wastes people’s potential, but actively undermines their sense of themselves as active and able. It renders them passive and incapable. For superficially sympathetic commentators, reducing claimants to defenceless victims of a not very successful austerity programme, treating them as innocents wrongly punished, is doubly diminishing. Indeed, those opposed to the government’s allegedly cruel welfare reforms are doing more to reduce and enfeeble people than any benefits-basher ever could

      This is from BRENDAN O BOLLOX FREE MARKET LIBERTARIAN PRIVATISE THE PLANET ME ME ME ME ME FIRST

      SPIKED ONLINE site

    • http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/jobseekers-arent-all-pathetic-victims/16702#.VOlp8aAeLqA

      If that load of shit annoyed you. You can tell that c*nt what you think of him
      at the above link and comment

      And also tell those self serving establishment arse kissing scum at Spiked online about their ” witch hunt ” narrative about child sex abuse calling it paedo panic and an attack on people freedom to abuse kids

      The comments on their stuff on that subject are just sickening

      And deliberately ignorant

      They can fuck off permanently

      • overburdenddonkey

        chewie
        what therapeutic approach do you advocate for victims, of csa/ca?

        • Getting justice they deserve and not being told they are liars just to get compensation and listened to.

          • overburdenddonkey

            chewie
            ‘Getting justice they deserve and not being told they are liars just to get compensation and listened to.’ and, you see this as a therapeutic approach!? i don’t, i see it as a gob stopper, a stitch up, cart before the horse, and keeping the victim needy of state sponsored treatments ie CBT and others….delays in healing embed the affects of the abuse(s) making them harder for the victim to shift…
            the paramount is sanctuary FIRST…’if only drs had said (seen) this earlier’ says ‘lenny’ (not his real name), to dr bob (see his web site) ‘curing mental pain’ one of the 1000hrs of vids recorded in parkhurst prison, a strong culture of denial pervades our society….@ the start of the vid of lenny, it’s very obvious that he is afraid/anxious (a symptom of abuse)…and when the terror(s) are gone he expresses himself very confidently, can now easily learn new things, as his mind is free of the gum/glue of the frozen terrors, caused by abuse…he is now healed, he knew the deep blocked truth, but wasn’t allowed to face/express the emotional injuries caused by it, he doesn’t need to prove it!….he now expresses his blocked emotions by himself (on his own), if he gets stuck he goes back to dr bob…dr bob acts as a catalyst/informed witness to assist healing and that is all…to heal the therapist does not need to know the whole grueling story, that the victim will not recall, on their own, in their own time and space, until much later, in any case, coz the whole of the abuse is kept locked away, by the victim…but we are told that we need to prove it to get the help required to heal..which just means being kept needy…justice is healing and can only begin to be had after one is healed from the terrible affects of abuse…..to prove one is a victim to get benefits so as one can have healing sanctuary is hopeless to say the least….but then one is hounded to keep on proving need…your solution is to keep people dependent on the state, state sponsored treatments like CBT, and dependent on others for help…..
            the compensation should come 1st, before not after….otherwise it’s ‘are you better yet, you ought to be by now’, one gets this attitude all the time ie see WCA….
            therefore you’re ignoring the profound affects of abuse…ALL victims need to be healed 1st otherwise fighting for rights is next to impossible…i was/we’re often told to seek help and then when i/we do/did what i/we express (ed) was/is minimized and/or drugged so that it can be managed…

            • It’s what they want it’s what they tell me
              You magic wizard can’t cure everything

              Just getting someone to believe them would be a start they have had years of being dismissed and called liars

              • overburdenddonkey

                chewie
                ‘Just getting someone to believe them would be a start they have had years of being dismissed and called liars’ AS A VICTIM, NOW SURVIOUR OF SEVERE CHILD ABUSE, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I ADVOCATE HIS CURATIVE WORK!! HIS WORK DOES NOT CALL ONE A LAIR….which i have previously described to you, and in fact have pointed out yet again in my above post to you on this subject…

                • overburdenddonkey

                  chewie
                  so now you ignore me and i haven’t missed the irony….

                • overburdenddonkey

                  chewie
                  you seem to want the CJS to define what is abuse and what is not…and for the victim to prove 1 they have been abused, 2 the severity of it, 3 who by 4 even as far as supply compensation, as a remedy which it is not, ie as the best solution on offer, which it is not, as healing is….once healed one rejects our toxic system!….you must remember you are looking in (a third party) and making judgments for whats best for me and others in a similar positions to myself…speaking for others and telling me that what works is crap….you collude in creating a culture of dependency on the words of ‘therapist’ and others…telling one whats best for one, with no actual experience of the issues involved in csa/ca, tis all second hand info from yourself…you use ridicule, are dismissive and imply that i am mistaken or a liar…victims are desperate to heal form their mental pain, to become ‘normal’ and will readily explore any option that mainstream consensus supports, and is all that is mentioned by HCP’s….do not tell me what works and what does not, i’ve been there and done that/it….csa/ca is rife in the uk, their are millions of sufferers and by default millions of abusers…the solution that i offer works, and a 100% cure is available and this is what needs to be pushed…it is the only short and long term solution….people who block this cure and have been for well over 30yrs now, have a lot to answer for!

                • Am very busy at present

                  Also I don’t go in for paedo apologists just read most of their bullshit. To them any victim is a liar and only in it to grab compensation. And me in touch with actual victims and relatives and them very upset about it all

                  Bye

                • In past few weeks we have been trying to access information on very serious offenders all part of an organised network of serial abusers of which it includes offences involving torture and murder and we are being told access is denied because it might cause distress to those offenders.. Poor things.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  chewie
                  you always find an excuse to duck for cover, hide behind others, and block conversation…relative suffer some, victims suffer much much worse, the cure is available…
                  i am a victim, now survivour, who knows more than you ever could about the subject….stop spreading your bullshit…the crimes that peados commit are vile…but are a symptom, not the root cause….

                • I am actually very busy and have had hospital checkups because of my heart attack I had. But to you that’s running away. Thanks fer nothing..

                • overburdenddonkey

                  chewie
                  you’re not the only one with health problems, and you did post on the subject as you continuously do, i responded….but also note from previous occasions when trying to have a conversation on the subject you often find an excuse not to reply…

                • Yeah me not replying is me being in hospital or having other more serious stuff to deal with. can I have your permission to do other stuff please?

                • overburdenddonkey

                  chewie
                  it is sometimes very frustrating waiting for responses as well and only good manners to let the other know, ie i posted this to you you could have simply replied, ‘i’m busy atm, i’ll get back to you’….| February 23, 2015 at 8:29 pm | 2 days ago!
                  chewie
                  so now you ignore me and i haven’t missed the irony….

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ps chewie
                  so i take it you will get back to me on these posts when you can?

                • overburdenddonkey

                  chewie
                  so i take it your not going to offer to get back to me on these posts then?
                  but rest assured, i will continue to have my say on this very serious subject…

              • overburdenddonkey

                chewie
                by ignoring (dismissing me) me, you’re doing exactly what you claim you’re fighting, to stop the state from doing…ie getting the state to acknowledge victims of csa/ca, and stop (trying to) destroying their credibility…you have posted since you last posted to me…will you get back to me on my posts or not….

  63. Too Many are Out of Touch Bastards in this Country
    Where is the Protests ? The Demonstrations ? The Outrage ?

    A Land of Poxy Zombies

  64. you very well know if you go for a job and you are disabled the abled bodied person will get it unless you are einstein of coarse.

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