It’s A Fucking Landslide – Class War Top Online Election Poll!

hate-the-richClass War are currently topping an online election poll with 21% of the vote raising the possibility of a twisted coalition consisting of Class War, pub landlord Al Murray and the Greens or the SNP.  The Tories are languishing at a pitiful 9%. 

Vote here, then go back to your local Wetherspoon and prepare for Government!

(poll now closed, Class War were victorious)

Lisa McKenzie will be standing for Class War in Chingford against Iain Duncan Smith, read her recent piece in The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/21/estate-working-class-problem-st-anns-nottingham

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210 responses to “It’s A Fucking Landslide – Class War Top Online Election Poll!

    • “please go to this link and listen to the voice of a human being driven to absolute depair”

      “THE TRUE FACE OF THE UK TODAY, THE REST OF THE WORLD WOULD HOLD IT’S HEAD IN SHAME”……………….

      • Iain Duncan Smith MP

        Ho, ho, ho!

        We are working for you.

        The Rt. Hon. Iain Duncan Smith MP, Secretary of State for Work & Pensions

      • Geoff, how do you transfer a link to Facebook? Tried saving target but all that comes over is an HTML document which is not audio. Do you have a link that will work?

      • “TRUE COST OF CUTS TO THE DISABLED”
        ……………Once again, the BBC, THE CON-DEM POLITICAL MEDIA AUTHORITY, are publicising bullshit figures to the electorate prior to the elections.

        The BBC have used a figure of below £500 to illustrate the typical loss to a family, per annum due to welfare cuts.

        I would just like to put forward the true extent of welfare cuts upon myself per annum;

        Incapacity Benefit was paid to me at the rate of £317 fortnightly and Disability Living Allowance at the rate of £305 monthly.

        Using falsified ATOS reports the DWP has taken both these benefits from me.
        This means that a total of £11,628 per annum has been removed, plus the £10 Christmas bonus, from just myself.

        i am but one of the myriad of disabled, living on thin air, yet the extent of the cuts to the most vulnerable are hastily hidden among contrived statistics that the BBC are happy to push out……………………

        Each week i receive only £33.32p to live on, this is Industrial Injuries Benefit paid because of an accident at work.

        My total income is now just £1732 .64p per annum, the value of a disabled person under the leadership of DAVID CAMERON.

        • ……………….Furthermore, i have an eighteen year old son at college, his bus fares and meals are not free because i cannot claim DLA, the DWP has taken this from me.
          Each week i have to purchase a large bag of HUGGIES nappies because i have a bladder problem, the cost is around £6.
          The nappies i cut in half as they are cheaper to use than standard incontinence pads.
          Recently i went for a dental check up, the price was £18. When i told the nurse how much i was receiving she told me that nobody could exist on this amount and ticked the box that said free treatment.

          The NHS dental services has told me that because i did not pay the £18, a fixed penalty has been added, the price i owe is now £117.50 to be paid or go to court.

          This bill has now spiralled to £157 or face the courts…………………..

        • “MAXIMUS HEALTHCARE PLAN TO CELEBRATE THE HOLOCAUST BY BRINGING THE EVENT TO YOU”

          IF YOUR INJURED, SICK OR DISABLED, MAXIMUS, USING A PROXY NAME, WILL ENSURE THAT YOUR LIFE IS NO BETTER THAN BEING IN AN EXTERMINATION CAMP…………….

          THE THRILLS OF HAVING TO BEG FOR A MORSEL OF FOOD WILL BECOME COMMONPLACE.

          “YOU HAVE NO PLACE IN THIS WORLD BECAUSE YOU ARE CONSIDERED DAMAGE GOODS AND A FECKLESS SCROUNGER”

          MAXIMUS IN TANDEM WITH THEIR BACKERS, THE DWP, WILL ENSURE THAT WHAT EVER PROBLEM YOU HAVE AT THE MOMENT WILL PALE INTO SIGNIFICANCE WHEN YOU ARE EXAMINED BY ONE OF THEIR DICREDITED, UNQUALIFIED, HEALTH CARE “PROFESSIONALS THEY POACHED FROM WHOLLY DISREPUTABLE ATOS.

          WATCH THE LIKES OF EX DWP CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, BILL GUNNYEON, SMILE AS HE KICKS THE CRUTCHES FROM UNDER YOU.

          SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR HIS CHILDRENS LAVISH LIFESTYLE AND WHO BETTER THAN THOSE LEAST LIKELY TO FIGHT BACK………

          ROLL UP! ROLL UP! THE NEW HOLOCAUST IS SET TO BEGIN!

          EVEN MORE DEATHS FOR THE DWP TO WISH AWAY……………………………………..

          • “BILL GUNNYEON THE NEW ANGEL OF DEATH”

            “THE FACULTY OF OCCUPATIONAL MEDICINES, MAN ON THE INSIDE”

            ……………………Watch his earnings soar at MAXIMUS as his old employer, the DWP, try to cover up the spiraling mortality rates…………….

  1. more incoherence –

    Why vote for a war that is already being waged?

  2. Vote CLASS WAR!!

    EAT THE RICH!!

    • More like an inter-class war between the working class social capitalists and their working class stock.

      EAT THE SOCIAL ENTREPRENEURS SAVE THE RICH FOR DESSERTS!

  3. Let them eat P.M.'s

    I would start with that nice plump fucker in no. 10.
    No sinew or gristle there; well fed, never grafted..
    The gimp is cut like a toddler! I would bake him I reckon and feed him to the tramps.

  4. Class war? Ha ha ha! …were victorious in a poll? Ha ha HA! … a grand total of 948 self-selecting people voted? HA HA HA HA HA!

    Johnny, I think I’m starting to understand you. I thought you were serious, but I was wrong. You’re just taking the piss out of all your idiot readers and contributors by feeding them this laughable drivel, aren’t you?

  5. A few questions for you

    Next time you’re on a bus or a train on your way to work – ask yourself “if this is late should my next pay cheque be stopped?”.

    Next time you need to go into to your child’s school at short notice – ask yourself “should this mean that I don’t get paid this month?”.
    How would you react if your next pay cheque was stopped?
    How would you react if your next pay cheque was stopped? Credit: PA

    Next time you oversleep or forget an appointment – ask yourself “should I and my family go hungry for a few weeks just to teach me a lesson?”

    If your answer to those questions is “yes” then you probably support the sanctions system.

    If it’s “no” then it is time to question sanctions and how they are used against some of the poorest and most vulnerable citizens in our society.

    Claimants with mental health issues are being ‘punished’ for being late and missing appointments while claiming benefits

    • Absolutely right. The ITV item you’ve copied is very poignant. It’s just a shame that others can’t see so clearly.

      • overburdenddonkey

        pt, ET AL…
        as i posted that link yesterday i did so with a note of reservation;…there are basically 3 groups; 1 emotionally healthy, 2 repressed, psychopaths etc and 2 unrepressed..the 3rd group as featured in this article are the most likely to be healed easily as their anxieties are not DENIED, they are actively seeking help, but not getting any, hence a worsening of their anxiety SYMPTOMS…the state actively tries to repress emotional injuries…under the guise of mental health treatment…most people who post here seek expression and resolution and therefore seek emotional health, some however seek to repress others…and i also noted the sanctions should be scrapped, your reply was what should they be replaced with! which means that you support sanctions….

        • Errrr… No, it doesn’t mean that at all. I think you’re having a little trouble with the meaning of the word “replace”.

          P.S. Are the “emotionally healthy” not also “unrepressed”?

          • overburdenddonkey

            pt ET AL
            no i don’t have trouble with the word replace YOU said what would you replace them with…Are the “emotionally healthy” not also “unrepressed”?
            emotionally healthy people don’t suffer anxieties…and i refer to unrepressed anxieties…ie anxieties that are on the surface and easily seen by others….but there are also the repressed causes of anxiety symptoms…
            anxiety is not a cause but a symptom of a root historic cause…

            • “Replace” doesn’t mean put exactly the same thing back you idiot!
              (Oxford English Dictionary) “Replace” – Take the place of – Example: Ian’s smile was replaced by a frown.

              “emotionally healthy people don’t suffer anxieties” – What complete and utter rubbish! The only people who don’t suffer any anxieties are dead.

              “anxiety is not a cause but a symptom of a root historic cause…” – So if I’m hit by a bus and my back is broken, and I’m anxious that I may never walk again, then that’s just a symptom of a historic cause, is it? You talk some crap sometimes… or in fact most of the time!

              • True part-timer – sanctions could be “replaced” by a bag of sweets, a “flat-screen TV”, a free car, and a fortnight in the sun… but there is a connotation and expectation that they will be “replaced” by something cast from the same mould… i.e.. a punitive penalty. Sanctions are more likely to be “replaced” by a public flogging or beheading than a “flat-screen” TV!

                • “but there is a connotation and expectation that they will be “replaced” by something cast from the same mould… i.e.. a punitive penalty.”

                  I absolutely agree that is the most likely outcome from a right-wing (i.e. Tory or Labour) government, but my implied question to OBD is what did he think would be better system? I have my own thoughts about that, but nobody else on this moronic whinging circus seems to have a f***ing clue, or even the faintest perception that they SHOULD have a clue. Do you?

              • overburdenddonkey

                pt e al
                i also note that your comprehension of my posts has markedly improved…
                you’ve just contradicted yourself and i’m not going to explain why for many reasons! pay attention to the subject matter…emotional survivors of the concentration camps were those who hated and raged against their captors..if one’s back is broken one must accept it…
                ian’s loss of income sanction, was replaced by a beating sanction…
                temporary concerns (solvable by a free mind, and culture) are different than the embedded anx that are symptoms of a repressed cause of historic abuse, and you’re discussing a scenario that will have different results in an emotionally healthy culture…you just love being rude and stripping the affects of blocked emotions out of the equation… = denial, why don’t you replace your rudeness with emotional health? calling some one is an idiot cannot improve the intelligence we are born with…do you think shouting, name calling, and attempting to humiliate people, is good for mental health?..in fact it has the opposite affect…you blindly say/imply the state is ok, your cure is to call others idiots, why is that? and who do you extend that treatment to by implication? but then people like you love to demarcate, ok not ok…
                talking of which here’s a blue peter….
                you claimed the following info was not on his web site, this is on dr bob johnson’s home page as posted to you; http://www.truthtrustconsent.com/
                ‘PSYCHOSIS’ here covers all psychotic symptoms, including all varieties of psychoses, ‘schizophrenias’, all ‘depressions’ manic or otherwise, bipolar, BPD, PD, ADHDs, anorexias, irrationalities, what have you – all are really variants of PTSD.’ .
                overburdenddonkey | January 20, 2015 at 4:55 pm |
                how many times do i have to post see the work of DR BOB JOHNSON before it sinks in…
                PartTimer | January 20, 2015 at 5:12 pm |
                As far as I can see, none of the Johnson links give any advice about how to treat clinical depression, just the old idea of ‘manic depression’ which is now termed bipolar disorder, and is a VERY different thing. Can you post a link which does?…..
                and PartTimer | January 20, 2015 at 5:27 pm |
                ‘Nope, I read it very carefully. An explanation of how to treat clinical depression is not there.’
                PartTimer | January 20, 2015 at 4:13 pm |
                …but isn’t this topic all about mental health problems, what they mean for people’s ability to work, and what our government is doing (or failing to do) about it? The most common mental health problem is cited as ‘clinical depression’, so it makes sense to discuss it. Surely you have an opinion about what we as a society should do to help people suffering from depression? You’ve said quite clearly that you don’t subscribe to the idea of a chemical ‘cure’. So what alternative do you favour?
                i don’t agree that people’s ability to work is relevant to curing mhp’s, (PD’s) but it’s affects peoples abilities to live a healthy fulfilling life for themselves, therefore under their own steam…
                as i am clearly discussing mhp’s in all there forms i’m spot on topic…
                as it is all plainly there, and you deny it is all there, what does that make you?……

                • “you’ve just contradicted yourself and i’m not going to explain why for many reasons!” – Ha ha ha… Of course the reason you won’t explain couldn’t possibly be because you don’t have a ****ing clue!

                  “if one’s back is broken one must accept it…” – Please promise that you won’t EVER try to help any seriously injured people.

                  “i don’t agree that people’s ability to work is relevant to curing mhp’s” – I didn’t say that it was. You just made that up.

                  “calling some one is an idiot cannot improve the intelligence we are born with” – I’m not criticising the amount of intelligence you were born with, it’s the amount you’re exhibiting right now.

                  You seem to be an expert at recognising ’emotional health’, so how would you rate your own?

                • overburdenddonkey

                  pt et al
                  i rest my case….

                • You rest your case? You haven’t made one yet! (except that everybody in the world should bow down in all matters before the wondrous teachings of your guru, Dr Bob Johnson.

                  Here’s a suggestion for you to go away and think about – You said that somebody with a broken back should accept that they will never walk again. You’ve decided that you’re unable to work (even though you’re obviously perfectly capable of typing all day long). Are these two thoughts connected?……

                • overburdenddonkey

                  pt et al
                  my personal circumstances and/or my means are none of your fucking business!

                • I said “Here’s a suggestion for you to go away and think about”. The answer is for you alone……

                • overburdenddonkey

                  pt et al
                  you still haven’t answered my blue peter post, as will be obvious to many…you stated that something is not written there, when it clearly is…i’ll answer your distraction on broken back scenario, when you have answered that to my satisfaction…until then i rest my case….

                • Rod Taylor – Words Of Parables + Dub 1981

                • OBD – Yes I did. I answered it at 1:14 pm. The links from your all-powerful guru, Dr Johnson, don’t say how to treat clinical depression. They just say that he can cure every mental health problem know to man. Of course it’s a pity that he apparently forgot to tell anybody else how to do it too! But for that slight problem, there would be no mental health problems left anywhere in the whole world, and wouldn’t we all worship him for that, just as you do. Oh well, I guess that means his unbelievable wisdom will go to the grave with him. Such a shame.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  pt et al
                  oh the fuckin irony…🙂
                  you haven’,t just ducked it and drip drip drip dragon…

                • If Johnson has explained how to replicate his 100% cure for all mental illness, then there must now be many other psychiatrists also using it with the same 100% success rate… Can you name one?

                • overburdenddonkey

                  pt et al
                  i have already posted on that subject to you, as you well know…stop avoiding answering my blue peter post…you said something wasn’t there, but it is for all to see that it is…what does that make you?

                • The point is that an explanation about how to perform a 100% cure of all mental illness isn’t there for other psychiatrists to see and use, let alone for ordinary people such as you or me. Your obsession about Dr Bob Johnson isn’t sounding very rational, is it?

                • overburdenddonkey

                  pt et al
                  what’s this, lets go round again…it has already been posted….except now you deny it has….the point is that it is and you have denied that it is and/or that clinical depression was mentioned, and instead claimed that only old style manic depression was mentioned, what it actually says is this…
                  ‘PSYCHOSIS’ here covers all psychotic symptoms, including all varieties of psychoses, ‘schizophrenias’,…….all ‘depressions’ manic or otherwise,…….bipolar, BPD, PD, ADHDs, anorexias, irrationalities, what have you – all are really variants of PTSD.’ this statement covers all mhp’s including clinical depression, i posted this in a link you claimed to have read days ago….i’ll add now he filmed over 700hrs of his work in parkhurst prison so all who wanted to, could see it…see the myth of the chemical cure, + mad in america…please respond to my blue peter post you said something was not mentioned, when it was, i ask again what does that make you? see text of bbc panorama, 1991 i think, tom marigold for even MORE info….answer the fuckin question…

                • So there’s no point just copying and pasting the same things over and over again, that just implies obsession and irrationality, as well as multiplying the amount of scrolling!

                  “answer the fuckin question…” – There seems to be one particular question you’re very keen on. Which one was it?

                • P.S. I think you’ve got a bit confused again, and posted a video of the new Scottish Labour leader by mistake!

                • OBD – You have asked me many questions. How can I possibly know which one you mean unless you tell me? If you truly want me to answer then simply ask it again, and I guarantee I will answer it.

                  Isn’t truth the furst of the three points you keep going on about?

        • OBD, you need your energy. All of it. Please, don’t waste any more on this nasty, offensive little concern troll. He’s just here to have fun. The more you react to his provocations, the more fun he has.

  6. Each to their own Part Timer – I for one, do not read drivel – well, apart from your posts of course.

    • You’re an idiot. How can you possibly tell what’s drivel and what isn’t until you read it?

      • The posts and commentators on this blog are very well informed on the variety of subjects they are discussing – you commented that a post was “laughable drivel” – I don’t see what is funny about this post. As stated previously – the only drivel I have read on this blog have been your comments. As for being an idiot, you, are entitled to your opinion – however, I prefer not to stereotype people..

        • Donna

          The laughable drivel is when Johnny said this poll raises “…the possibility of a twisted coalition consisting of Class War, pub landlord Al Murray and the Greens or the SNP.” Either he actually thinks it’s true, or he’s just taking the piss out of his idiot readers – and both are funny!

          Do YOU think it’s true, or is it drivel?

          • “””or he’s just taking the piss out of his idiot readers – “”””

            Including Yourself PT.

            Idiot Thing That – Assassin

          • The post is what could be termed tongue in cheek comic hyperbole – something we really need. Sure, it’s farcical, but no more farcical than the situation already is. We have basically three Tory parties all trying to out Tory each other, and an SNP so much in the ascendant that it could actually find itself at the very least holding the balance of power at a UK level, if not actually in coalition.

            Who knows, it could be that the next UK government is a coalition of the SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Greens, with Class War holding the balance of power. Unlikely, I know, but the whole point of Class War is to show ordinary people can act, can put themselves forward and that, above all they do have influence. Class War skilfully takes the piss out of the political establishment to the point of commissioning it’s own spoof opinion polls, which, like almost all opinion polls set out to do, informs us of exactly the result the designers of the poll wanted.

            I sometimes wince at the unnecessary foul language used by Class War campaigners, but I can’t fault their humour, or the seriousness of what they are trying to highlight. Foul language aside, they give us the powerful combination of education and laughter,

            I’m assuming that JV wrote this post as an attempt to bring some light relief into an otherwise pretty grim reality. It is fine for those now sitting pretty cocking a snook at us have nots, but what of the situation 12 months hence when the honeymoon period after the next general election is over and the most likely government we get is set to bring in yet more cuts that cause the house of cards economy we live in totally collapse and the smug like you will also find themselves no longer required, or replaced by a Workfare slave?

            • The premise of your whole post is that it’s tongue in cheek. Based on quite a few previous JV blog posts, and the overwhelming tone of the readership, I would say that it’s not.

  7. Why do bother posting PT since you are on IDS payroll. Boot licker to IDS.

  8. Go back to your boss IDS & lick his boots PT.

  9. johnny viod your hired.

  10. PT is a better class than us. Snotty like a conservative.

    • The only class on an anonymous web site is the quality of opinion and argument. Class war exists only in the minds of those who recognise it…

      • Class war exists only in the minds of those who recognise it…

        … middle-class families have been shocked by the reality of the ‘twilight world’ of Britain’s welfare ‘ghettos’.

        … ‘middle-class majority were largely unaware of the true nature of life on some of our estates’.

        IDS recognises class war.

        • “IDS recognises class war.” – Probably he does, but is that a reason for you to also recognise it? If so, then you are equally responsible for perpetuating a class system.

          • ……………..and your name is an anagram of “PRAT REMIT”, very apt we would all agree……………………

            • Note in “Prat Remits” case he draws parellel with website but drops it with his Hero George “I am Prentious so I’m now called Iain as I was returned to Unit as shite” Smith… strange that….

          • If so, then you are equally responsible for perpetuating a class system.

            That is the fallacy of a symbiotic relationships between warring parties.

          • Ids has always been an upper class nobhead, totally removed from the rest of the country. He only cares about his mickey mouse job and doesn’t give a flying fuck about anybody middle or lower class.

            He was born, with a silver spoon right up his jacksie, to an east-end tart who got knocked up by some lord of the manor.

      • But you’ve already demonstrated that yours are devoid of substance, empathy and external input. Surely by your own reckoning, you should be shutting up about now?

        • So JP, do you agree that there is a “possibility of a twisted coalition consisting of Class War, pub landlord Al Murray and the Greens or the SNP”? I bet you demonstrate your lack of substance by failing to answer.

          I have demonstrated substance and obviously external input. I think you demonstrate mindless, uncritical agreement, which you mislabel as empathy.

  11. Poor Suffering Most from Cuts in “We’re All in it Together” [Unless you’re Rich, Middle Class or a Pensioner!!!!]

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30943518

    • Don’t worry, Gazza, someday you’ll be one of those supposedly rich pensioners, unless of course people like you have succeeded in abolishing the state pension and all associated benefits, and put pensioners on workfare (as the government would like to do).

    • There is no bread let them eat Dundee cake.
      There is no bread let them eat Dundee cake.

    • The UK is the sole nation in the EU that does not have daily free cafes with no voucher conditionality, providing free cooked hot meal and hot drink to the working poor, poor pensioners and unemployed alike.

      If you are hungry one day, you are hungry every day.

      It takes about a month for the average person to starve to death.

      Doctors have been informing about the huge rise of malnutrition NHS hospital admissions.

      The state does not subsidise Fareshare, the supplier to the foodbanks, so only gain 5000 tonnes of surplus food from the food industry.

      Fareshare could gain 400,000 tonnes of surplus food a year if did get state subsidy.

      Don’t you find it odd that the homeless freeze sat on ice and snow covered winter pavements in too thin clothing and insufficient thin blanket and duvet, whilst charity shops abound with heat and light and furniture and warm clothing.

      And some charity shops have taken to feeding forced volunteers on workfare, who show signs of being famished far more than the odd missed meal.

    • overburdenddonkey

      geoff
      bastards…my diabetes has caused much damage to my body but not yet as bad as hers…the prime symptoms of diabetes are very often overlooked, until the damage symptoms become very acute…i had to demand the tests after yrs of suffering it’s symptoms…the affects of my neuropathy are bad…no surrender….
      there will be many more who suffer, as her, from long term diabetes diagnosed and/or undiagnosed…

      • The twats should be gripping the brass rail in the dock of the Old Bailey, knuckles turning white as the harshest sentences are dished out OBD.
        Yet the Judiciary is an integral part of government that actively persecutes those wronged by the DWP.
        Corrupt at every level, ignoring current legislation on Human Rights, Equality and Discrimination……………….

        ………………..yet the spotlight is on them and it won’t go away.

        My 81 year old mum is making me a pie OBD, a widower looking after her son. No shame, just survival.

        • overburdenddonkey

          geoff
          i post in the hope that i can help strengthen the resistance of self and others, with truth…the idea of benefits are to provide means and health protection…that concept has been reversed…rule 1 never trust proven liar’s…they try all sorts of tricks to weaken resolve, shut down protest voice, and sap energies….we see this on a sec by sec basis every hr everyday….
          i refuse to explain my medical conditions in detail to most all people, anyone can look see on www + common knowledge…if there is no empathy, love, and compassion, available to them, from their hearts, that is their problem, not mine…although some try to make it my/our problem….
          i am damaged by life, but i’m resolved now…i can only see things getting worse for others much worse, unless we as a people turn our backs on neoliberailism, we can and must do this…the system we live in will never deliver (social/community) justice it is not set up to do that!

          • Somebody asked the DWP for access to communication they had with the BBC recently.
            They replied by saying that they had the information but it would cost more than £600 to collate it, therefore they did not have to respond….

            https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/contact_between_the_dwp_and_the#comment-56897

            ……………..therefore i have every confidence that our concerted pressure is not in vain.
            They are trying to fend off all the freedom of information requests that must be costing them a small fortune, wriggling at every thing that is asked, afraid of contradicting themselves and the threat of imminent prosecution.

            The veneer of any respectability that they once had, has completely disappeared, the PCS Decision Makers now a mockery.
            Whatever tight lid they once secured is now loosened, the suicides and deaths known the world over…………………….

            I look forward to the day they threaten to remove the right to drive, it will herald the start of rioting never seen on the streets of this crumbling nation.
            A chance to keep warm as the infrastructure burns.

            • overburdenddonkey

              geoff
              yeah, if we didn’t do what we do now, things unbelievably almost, would be far worse than they are now!

            • The right/privilege to drive can be revoked for any offence! That cunty UKIP councillor’s remarks were just the trial balloon being sent up. We would all have to move somewhere more liberal such as Saudi Arabia – who are currently considering giving women, employed and unemployed the right to drive. What next? Removing the right/privilege to health care for benefit claimants? Removing the right to food, shelter and warm for benefit claimants? Oh, wait… they already have. We really have to tell these cunts the FUCK OFF!!

  12. what you plebs don’t, nay, can’t understand, is that the the upper classes are far harder than the working class. They always have been. it’s like the old Jam song, Eton Rifles. Working class tykes go to Eton to kick a bit of posh arse. And get the shit kicked out of themselves. These upper class types are the descendants of Knights. Trust me, in a street fight, Cameron, Boris Johnson and Osborne, they would waste some council estate hard man. Just accept it, these people are better than us.

    • …………….Andrew Mitchell showed “us plebs”

      • “MAXIMUS HAILS NEW DWP CONTRACT”

        Action T4 (German: Aktion T4, pronounced [akˈtsi̯oːn teː fiːɐ]) was the postwar designation[2] for a programme of forced euthanasia in wartime Nazi Germany. Under the programme physicians were directed to judge patients “incurably sick, by critical medical examination,” and then administer to these patients a “mercy death” (German: Gnadentod).[3] In October 1939 Hitler signed a “euthanasia decree” backdated to 1 September 1939 that authorized Reichsleiter Lord David Freud, and Obersturmfuhrer Ian Duncan Smith, to carry out the programme of euthanasia (translated into English as follows)………………..

    • That is a point I have pondered, the artificial power structures of the state kind of gets in the way of testing that statement.

      The working class do tend to yield in the absence of collective security and strong leadership.

  13. http://www.iainduncansmith.org.uk/news

    Ol’ baldy bonce’s own website has gone very quiet with nothing new posted on it since last December. Maybe he is biding his time by not currently being active online, secretly hoping that if he gets re-elected in May, he will spring even more bad news against us poor jobseekers through his own propaganda website.

    • What a cunt he is. They are under instruction as to remain quiet until after election. After that we are all fucked.

  14. The last couple of times i have signed on the person at other side of the glass hasn’t asked for my job search.. It’s like the fucking 90’s all over again. I offered my search but I was told to keep it.

    The last time I saw my advisor (months ago) I was told it would be quiet until after the election.. It is looking that way at the moment. The calm before the storm for us people who left the work program before the community nazi scheme took hold.

    Does anyone else sign on and wait for about 40 minutes and people who come in 20 minutes after you get seen before you. A total fucking shambles of a system that has people shoving signing on card under yours and they get seen before you.

    Cunts

    • …………….REDUNDANDANCY HAS A STRANGE EFFECT ON PCS STAFF, CEPHALUS

      • Maybe your right Geoff

      • Hence, the greater incidence of trolls on these sort of sites. The security of their sanctums are now under threat, so they need to know the level of hatred that exists among those they have persecuted.
        It is they, who feel the insecurity of being wrong, regardless of what they post……………………

        Negative comments we should thrive upon, their pride dented even further.

    • But then what happens? You think: “why bother filling out my work plan booklet if nobody is even going to bother glancing at it”… until one day you go to sign-on and you are pulled up by a “hit squad” operative… it’s a fucking trap… make sure you are keeping “evidence” regardless if anyone is asking for it or you feel like you are in a 70s time-warp expecting Starsky and Hutch to roll in in a Ford Cortina with kipper ties, flared trousers and all….

      • overburdenddonkey

        life
        you’ve got it!

      • Yeah, you are probably booked in to be lynched by the “hit squad” in a few weeks and they want to make sure that you have no “evidence” on you – an easy not actively seeking work sanction.

        • It is deliberate, the work roach has been ‘instructed’ not to look at your diary. It is just that when you go to sign-on and you expect the signing-on clerk to call your name that you will be lynched by the “hit squad”. And you are fucked! You are strongly advised to keep a corroborated record of your job-search!

      • “Starsky and Hutch to roll in in a Ford Cortina with kipper ties, flared trousers and all…”
        I would love to see that episode. Was it a Mk III or Mk IV?

  15. They had a number system in the 90’s and you got seen when number came up. Why go backwards? Do they really want to make us all cattle and hate the experience of signing on… yep ofcourse they do. It’s not like we can complain to anyone about it is it.

    Long term unemployed like me can see the changes better than anyone and we are more equiped to deal with them. Tell them nothing only answer in yes or no and only speak when you need to.

  16. Crime in England and Wales falls to new record low;

    but shoplifting in the last year has increased 18%, attacks have risen, sexual attacks have increased and fraud is up…………………

    and this is after the police changed the way crimes are reported.

    ……………..we used to take things for granted, now we just di it to survive.

  17. overburdenddonkey

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30955379 horray we get to here from leanne wood

    • I’m sure she’ll make some good points, but doubt that Plaid will actually make any gains. I’ll probably vote for them (in desperation) but if their performance in the Assembly against the Labour Welsh Assembly Government is anything to go on, I’m not expecting much. Plaid isn’t the SNP, sad to say.

  18. @ GEOFF – you need to print some more from the memoirs of this creepy Albert Pierrepoint hangman guy – it is fascinating stuff!

  19. ” You are actively seeking work if you take such weekly steps as can reasonably be expected to have the best prospects of securing employment.2 You must take more than two steps a week unless taking fewer (or no) steps is reasonable. The JSA Regulations 1996 (regulations 18 to 22): ” Can anyone tell me if these regulations still apply. I signed on today and was told that the 3 steps rule was changed about 3 years ago.

    • overburdenddonkey

      fen
      https://skwalker1964.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/most-jobseeker-agreements-ruled-unlawful-and-the-dwp-doesnt-care/
      ‘This is absolutely vital information. Any jobseeker who can demonstrate that s/he has taken more than 2 ‘reasonable steps’ a week (or fewer if it is not reasonable to expect them to do that many) to find work has complied with the law. A jobseeker’s ‘agreement’ or JSA ‘claimant commitment’ is a fluid plan and is supposed to guide a claimant into work. If it imposes excessive and unreasonable steps for a claimant’s particular circumstances, it is unenforceable, as John’s case clearly demonstrates. According to the law, ‘excessive’ means more than 3 and any sanctions imposed for not meeting additional conditions is not legally valid. Any claimant sanctioned for failing to meet such an illegal requirement has a right to have it overturned on appeal.’

      • That emphasises two things. Firstly, it’s VITAL to appeal sanctions! It’s the only way of overturning them, and the more they’re appealed, the more those appeals will show up in the official statistics.

        Secondly, though – it doesn’t set a precedent, because (a) the law isn’t in question – it’s SOP for JobCentres to break it; and (b) only the UT can set a precedent, and if the lower tribunal has found in your favour, there’s no way on earth the DWP are going to appeal that and risk such a precedent being set! We have to wait for a marginal case to be lost at a lower tribunal, and for some kindly lawyers to help appeal it pro bono to a UT.

        …which brings me back to “it’s VITAL to appeal sanctions”. The presumption at this point must be that a sanction has been given wrongly and illegally… and the sooner the lower tribunal disagrees (in an error of law), the sooner the UT can rule against the DWP.

        (I battled my way through half a law degree before succumbing to what was then undiagnosed autism. I wish I’d been able to complete it; I’d have been far more use to you all as a lawyer than I am as just another whining scrounger.)

        • You may well be yet another whining scrounger like us, but half a law degree is better than none. It seems that at least you understand the language of the law, and can interpret it, vital skills that you can still share with those of us that don’t understand the implications of the often apparently deliberate obfuscating use of language. Knowledge is power.

          Most people don’t appeal, sadly. I can understand why, as most would be far more concerned with thinking about how they are going to survive than about appealing. The DWP may be acting unlawfully, but they have all the power and can impose it immediately, whilst an appeal only works retrospectively.

          I’d appeal a sanction, of course, but then I am one awkward SOB.

          • Which is why community support is also really important – people who can help keep the sanctioned person going (in spirit and in body!), and people who can help with the process of appealing.

            I can help a bit online. But the very thing that (apparently) landed me in the SG prevents me doing any more than that… or benefitting from others doing the same for me.

    • The jokecentre might sanction you but it won’t stand up at a Tribunal… it will be thrown out!

      • By that time the damages is done and a possible 2nd or 3rd sanction has been imposed. The appeal only cancels the sanction, the claimant is not compensated (other than the retrospective payment of some of the JSA), the DWP/JCP face no penalty for malicious prosecutions.

        • That’s the whole point – ‘Arrears’ being paid back in what takes forever is insignificant to the sudden withdrawal of benefits that does all the damage in the first place.

          • overburdenddonkey

            bque
            yep, can’t backdate physical and consequential emotional damage caused by m/t gut, strained relationships, and cold bones….sanctions are barbaric…

        • dirt under their feet

          Didn’t mean to ignore the couple of comment above mine, which appeared after I sleepily started to compose.

          Most especially, yes, all of the ‘cold bones’ cannot ever be righted.

          How do those who do this live with themselves? How do you do that knowing what could result from it?

          Or fool themsleves, as it seems many do, that this is for the good of those sanctioned? A complete disconnect from reality.

          We need a living income for all, and respect for every human being coming into the world. We need for support to be just that, not to aim to push away every support.

          As for not having the money, obviously we do, when so much can be poured into the coffers of all the ‘povery pimps’, for doing nothing of any use, but much that causes harm.

          Huge amounts to the prisons for containing the damaged and deranged (by it all), but scarcely anything to give them that extra hand up.

          Especially we as a society need to project a different view of what is worthy in an individual, and it’s not making as much money as possible from the undermining of our fellow citizens.

          • overburdenddonkey

            dirt under
            yep, an UCBI (unconditional basic income) would take the sweetie jar away from them…we must all put our ideas for what needs to change out there, as well as offering reliable solutions…sometimes one, sometimes both….scene from ‘desert fox’, rommel speaks to hitler…hitler goes on rant; ‘i have something in mind, x several’…but never actually says what those ideas are, contradicting hitler was dangerous, so few did….as a fully skilled hgv mechanic, (time served in the 60’s, and we had proper trades unions back then, too)…i have to know both whats wrong and how to fix it, or i’m sunk…i apply the mechanics way of thinking to everything, and pay particular attention to learning from what i do, say, the deeds and words of others…what works and what might work…it’s not that nothing works, it’s that nothing is allowed to work for the common weal of all…anything that threatens the SQ is, often blindly, crushed.. start with what appears, from previous experience, to be a viable reliable solution and test it….ie war never cures war…so how is the false and destructive notion that war cures anything, mind set changed!
            work sets one free? no! only reliable income of vitality giving vitals of life keeps one free, protects health, and self esteem from erosion and = a creative life style….so the solution must be, how do we collectively provide a reliable income for all human beings?
            sweden is having great success with a 6hr working day pilot…and i expect many have seen the danish chip fryer $21/hr story…
            …a policy and mind set, of no one rich no one poor, common weal wealth distribution, in denmark…of course it’s local european and unfortunately not as yet global, as it should be…

            • dirt under their feet

              As we know, the only purpose of insisting on such a big insecurity of income is to enforce the labour of the intentionally made more vulnerable, for the greater profit of others. When it should be obvious that enforced labour without a proper wage is not work setting anyone free (nor lifting them out of poverty), but the opposite.

              And there’s no point discussing what would help the recovery of mental-health problems, when all the government are doing is increasing them, through infliciting further fear and insecurity. So the first number-one treatment should be to stop the outright persecution of, and demolishing of any psychological wellbeing of, the mentally ill. Then to extend that to everyone else they’re undermining.

          • Good point about the amount of money in our economy. If, instead of bailing out the bankers the money had been given to us, (and all oustanding debt cancelled) we would all have benefitted from a cash donation of 24,000 pounds each! Imagine the huge boost to the economy, the creation of jobs etc that would have happened. Okay, so that is a rather simplistic interpretation, but it does illustrate what could happen if wealth is redistributed more equitably.

            • dirt under their feet

              The sharing out of the money between all of us was exactly what I was thinking at the time (simplistic, yes, but far more beneficial to the economy than what has happened)… So we own the banks, and – so what? When it’s all only benefits for them being affordable… As this country owns much of its own debts, it could decide to forget about it if it chose; but it needs the deficit in order to keep the power in some places and keep it removed from other places. Lots of money to hand out to the management of the poor, but no more available to give a helping hand up for the poor… Most higher economics is nonsensical made-up stuff anyways.

      • dirt under their feet

        Any appeal doesn’t come up at the tribunal court until some months later. It in no way prevents any harm that is done to the individual at the time. They just get the money they lost returned to them, which is something, but it’s of no help at all if at the time of the sanction they became homeless and starving because of it, or in whatever ways their situation was undermined.

        Unfortunately, when the DWP sanction, they know that, however invented the reason, at that time there’s not a thing that the person being sanctioned can do about it, even if it’s decided at a later date that the sanction was applied wrongfully; which often is the outcome, for the few percent who do go on to challenge it, which is not of course encouraged. It’s all a very rough sort of justice.

        As Mr R says, however much the person causing the sanction has obviously lied (many sanctions are not for the oft-quoted missed or late appointment, but for created or subjective reasons), they suffer not at all for it. Therefore, the DWP care nothing for the law or someone’s rights; laws and rights which they break, ignore and re-create as they like on a daily basis.

        Penalties for fault should, yes, work both ways; with compensation for anyone proven to have been ‘fitted up’.

  20. Thanks for that OBD.

  21. Watch what you say about “Lord” Freud, the Anti Defamation League will be after you.

    • That attitude goes beyond freud into companies’ up and down the country,those affected are left to job centre abuse to simply get rid of them.those that could intervene are just turning a blind eye to this.

  22. What you’ve got to understand is that the upper class are like the characters in Kingsmen: The Secret Service. They are people like Sir Ranulph Fiennes. They’re the Aristocracy. In Greece, where the name originated it meant Better Class, and it’s true, they’re better than us. whether it be Lord Cardigan leading the Charge of The Light Brigade, or David Cameron leading the nation, just face it, they are our superiors, our betters.

    • But it is not the Better Class that tick the sanction box or remain seated and disparage a fellow claimant that walks out of the CWP.

      Disheartening to see the working class accept being scowled at by a work roach and accept the servitude of the CWP. There is a certain amount of deference amongst the working class that can not be ignored. Maybe nostalgia but I am sure the claimants at the local DSS office in the nineteen eighties were more assertive and rowdy.

    • overburdenddonkey

      rog
      it’s quite simple really they lie to avoid famine…some times they get caught, but they always have enough resources for it not to matter…we live in a bullies always prosper culture…those weakened by shortage are easy to subdue…

  23. Has anyone been on a skills conditionality 2 week course.The jobcentre have said I must do this.I will be sanctioned if I don’t.

    • As welfare becomes precarious suspect that Scots housing associations are already targeting full housing benefit recipients for eviction.

  24. Sanctions appeals Scotland – where is the independent and professional legal representation – millions of pounds of public money squandered by social enterprises offering the poor consumer rights and budgeting advise.

    The absurdity of housing association welfare right officers scribbling budgeted shopping lists on the backs of eviction notices oblivious to the fact that a budget needs to be financed.

    They are all taking the piss.

    • overburdenddonkey

      mr r
      they’re our dependents, they rely on the working classes to provide their incomes…and savagely punish us when we don’t….

  25. The CWP slave in the Green social enterprise shop maybe selling the cleared household goods of the evicted claimant that refused the position he now embraces – the social enterprise of final solution recycling.

    • overburdenddonkey

      mr r
      and some blindly claim business has no need of morals and/or has none…even though it’s earning are plainly immoral…

      • overburdenddonkey,

        Social enterprises are not strictly acting under the banner of business they are operating under the charity banner of strong community and social cohesion.

        IMHO the Third Force of social enterprises is the biggest threat to social justice and democracy in Scotland.

        • overburdenddonkey

          mr r
          yep, they normalize suffering, and blame the victim, in order to profit from it…profitisation of services ie nhs and people…

          • Should there be a Scottish Welfare System it will probably be in the form of collective corruption doling out money to social enterprises and local councils that will seize profit and restrict spending to a preferred and showcased minimum client base.

            • overburdenddonkey

              absolutely and with a population of 5.3m…and imo already defacto fedralism, as we do have a SG…further localism ( aka fiefdoms) is pointless, as we’re pretty close to subsidiarity point contact already….
              contact with holyrood is already very close….imv without indyscot, UK wide status, power and influence, NGO’s cant be reined in….

            • A “Scottish Welfare System” would be run on the same sexist, racist, politically correct crap that the rest of the councils are run-on i.e if you are male, single, white and working-class you will get nowt, be thrown out onto the streets, into the gutter and left to starve to death like un politically correct piece of trash that you are! A Scottish Welfare System is something to be avoided despite what Wee Nicola with the fancy hair-cut and rotten teeth may say!

              • And of course if you are one of our “friends from abroad”, especially if you are female, you will be housed and enjoy all sorts of largesse…

                • God, I pity you if you truly believe that crap. Also, I recommend you seek urgent psychiatric assistance.

              • Housing Associations around here already actively targeting benefit claimants for eviction; our ‘housing officer’ is being particular vociferous, wonder who she has in mind to move into our home….😉

  26. £2.9bn unpaid child maintenance ‘uncollectable’

    Looking forward to the return of the direct action of Fathers 4 Justice to give the government and DWP another bloody nose.

    • …………………….and never forger, for BILL GUNNYEONS children to enjoy the lavish lifestyle they are accustomed to, many DWP decision makers must meet departmental targets ………………………………………….

      WHICH IN TURN MEANS THAT THE DISABLED WILL BE DRIVEN TO SUICIDE OR RUIN…………………

  27. “More homeless camps are appearing beyond downtown L.A.’s skid row”

    http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-homeless-encampments-20150125-story.html

  28. Ex-DWP minister Hoban to exit politics in May 2015

  29. MP to quiz ministers over Gunnyeon’s Maximus WCA role

    DNS: 23rd Jan 2015

    An MP is to ask ministers why a former senior civil servant had to wait just six months before working for a private sector company on two disability contracts he led on at the Department for Work and Pensions.

    Disability News Service (DNS) revealed last week that Bill Gunnyeon had been given permission by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) to work for US outsourcing giant Maximus on both its work capability assessment (WCA) and Fit for Work contracts, from the beginning of March.

    Read More:
    http://disabilitynewsservice.com/2015/01/mp-quiz-ministers-gunnyeons-maximus-wca-role/

    • ………………………….for Bill to lavish the title of the largest paid civil servant onto his kids and family, he needed the support of the DWP, who are hand in glove with the american private health insurance company UNUM…….

      Don’t forget, for every disabled person that is exterminated, GUNNYEONS WIFE AND CHILDREN CAN GO SKIING………………………………

  30. Evidence mounts in case against government’s sanctions regime

    DNS: 23rd Jan 2015

    Disturbing fresh evidence emerged this week that the government’s strict sanctions regime is harming the health and well-being of many out-of-work sick and disabled people.

    A series of media reports and research publications, as well as an evidence session before MPs, highlighted the pressure imposed on civil servants to refer claimants – many of whom are disabled – to have their benefits stopped temporarily.

    It follows reports by Disability News Service on concerns that Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) staff are failing to take the correct precautions when “vulnerable” people are about to have their benefits sanctioned.

    Read More:
    http://disabilitynewsservice.com/2015/01/evidence-mounts-case-governments-sanctions-regime/

    • Disturbing fresh evidence emerged this week that …

      Sort of evidencing the obvious think they are just having fun, sanction and kill a thousand people then debate the fresh evidence as to whether a thousand people have indeed been killed.

      The Labour Party should pledge to retrospectively strike down all sanctions if elected.

  31. Capita ready to dump scores of assessors after ‘cutting PIP backlog’

    DNS: 23rd Jan 2015

    One of the two outsourcing giants that won contracts to assess people for the government’s new disability benefit could make a fifth of its assessment staff redundant, months after recruiting them to clear a huge claims backlog.

    Capita has about 400 disability assessors, whose job is to test disabled people for their eligibility for personal independence payment (PIP), the replacement for working-age disability living allowance (DLA), and has warned about 80 are at risk of redundancy.

    There was no public announcement of the likely job losses, which were only revealed after a furious assessor contacted Disability News Service (DNS).

    Rachel* said Capita was “an absolute disgrace”, and that she and fellow assessors felt they had been “used and lied to continuously and treated appallingly” and had “worked extremely hard just to be cruelly discarded and subsequently unemployed”.

    Read More:
    http://disabilitynewsservice.com/2015/01/capita-ready-dump-scores-assessors-cutting-pip-backlog/

    • Target Culture

      “””At one point last summer, Capita was reportedly offering staff up to £300 per test – four times the initial rates – and encouraging them to carry out as many assessments as they could.””””

    • Rachel* it is called poetic justice.

    • ……………..SURELY NOT THE SAME CAPITA THAT GUNNYEON ONCE WORKED FOR?”

      • …………..ASK YOURSELVES, WAS GUNNYEON PART OF THE PROCESS THAT SELECTED MAXIMUS TO TAKE OVER THE WORK CAPABILITY ASSESSMENT?

        OF COURSE HE WAS !!!

        “JOBS FOR THE BOYS, BY THE BOYS”

        ………..ONE STINKING, FETID, MASS OF CORRUPTION THAT HIDES THE DEATHS OF IT’S VICTIMS………………

        • Geoff please remember some people read this site on their phones. Long comments that are mostly cut and paste can make discussion unreadable on some devices. Please try keep things shorter and link if necessary. Many thanks – jv

  32. Gunnyeons Conflict of Interest

    GEOFFREY REYNOLDS (Account suspended) made this Freedom of Information request to Department for Work and Pensions

    This request has an unknown status. We’re waiting for GEOFFREY REYNOLDS (Account suspended) to read a recent response and update the status.
    From: GEOFFREY REYNOLDS (Account suspended)

    10 June 2013

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,
    You constantly inform me that there is no conflict of interest
    between your CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, Bill Gunnyeon, ATOS HEALTHCARE
    and UNUM INSURANCE, yet;

    The Guardian, Wednesday 12 September 2012 21.00 BST

    This week the sixth International Forum on Disability Management,
    IFDM 2012, takes place at Imperial College London. It is sponsored
    by some of the world’s largest medical insurance companies, Unum
    among them, and speakers include DWP chief medical adviser Dr Bill
    Gunyeon and Professor Sir Mansel Aylward, formerly DWP chief
    medical adviser and director of the Centre for Psychosocial and
    Disability Research at Cardiff University, which was sponsored by
    Unum from its inception in 2003 until 2009.

    Unum’s website states that during this sponsorship period “a series
    of papers was published, identifying the range of factors that
    determine why some people become long-term absentees”. The Cardiff
    papers advocated a “biopsychosocial model” of disability which Unum
    says “informed its approach to medical underwriting”. It is the
    same approach upon which the current Atos work capability
    assessment (WCA) is based. Concomitantly, the company were advising
    the UK government on welfare reform.

    Please answer the following questions,

    1/ Have UNUM had any input, whatsoever, in the formation of ESA
    examinations?

    2/ Does Gunnyeon receive any remuneration, whatsoever, from the
    Insurance Industry?

    3/ Has Gunnyeon received ANY FORM OF SPONSORSHIP MONEY whilst a
    guest speaker?

    4/ Was the Biopsychosocial model of disability that originated in
    Cardiff University, via UNUM and AYLWARD, used within the ESA
    examinations process?

    5/ Has GUNNYEON accepted any gifts,holidays etc, whatsoever, from
    the Insurance Industry?

    6/ What does GUNNYEON think to the number of suicides and deaths
    occurring on his “watch”?

    7/ Did the outgoing, Professor, Sir Mansel Aylward have any
    influence on Bill Gunnyeon, replacing him as CMO of the DWP?

    Yours faithfully,

    GEOFFREY REYNOLDS
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/gunnyeons_conflict_of_interest

  33. Hope these assessors reap as they have sown.

    • …………………AND I HOPE THEY HANG FOR THOSE THEY HAVE RAPED, AND KILLED, AND MAIMED, AND TORTURED………………………….

      • …………………..TO ENABLE GUNNYEONS KIDS TO GO SKIING, THEY HAVE TO MURDER MANY DISABLED…………………….

        THE BASIS OF DWP WELFARE CUTS…………………………………..

  34. The DWP may not have Targets but Maximus & every other Corporation that is hired by the DWP. Maximus get the DWP to pay you off out of the contract. That`s how you make money in business. Or make a loss with the DWP.

  35. Very low morals – Who wants a Ukip Reject – The conservatives.

  36. ……………..from capita to dwp to MAXIMUS, THE FACULTY OF OCCUPATIONAL MEDICINES INPUT INTO THE CULLING OF THE DISABLED COMMUNITY OF THE UK…………………………..

    CORPORATE MURDER OF THE WEAKEST AT THE BEHEST OF THE PRIVATE MEDICAL INSURANCE GIANT, UNUM…………………..

    “IF THEY CHOOSE TO END MY LIFE, THEN SURELY I WILL TAKE THEIRS”

  37. The Greens are hiding their light under a bushel with a new and unique policy that ends the entire cruel benefits system and saves the nations the billions wasted on state and private contract welfare admin.

    And pours £300 billion into the economy, especially local businesses, so generating jobs, business rates and tax to cover better public services.

    The Greens offer the univeral and automatic Citizen Income, in or out of work, til retirement age, to the level of the basic tax allowance.

    The Greens pay off the national debt AND end starvation.

    Just ask your local Greens’ candidate why the Greens will not commit to bringing in this policy as soon as they form a majority government in Westminster from 326 MPs in England and Wales?

    Because The Greens have committed to bring immediate voted into government the Citizen State Pension, irregardless fo National Insurance history, instead of all other parties’ leaving people with NIL STATE PENSION FOR LIFE coming on and from 6 April 2016.
    See why under my petition, on my WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT section, at:
    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/state-pension-at-60-now

    The Greens could win. SYRIZA, a true socialist party, has won in Greece today and formed the government.

    • But they have committed to it. Natalie Bennett has been clear – on national television, no less – that a universal basic income going to be a manifesto commitment for the Greens. Indeed, that commitment has forced the basic income idea onto the national stage in a way that’s never really been seen before.

      Where do you get the idea that they haven’t committed to it?

    • In the interests of full disclosure, the primary reason I joined the Green Party in the first place was their support for the CI. And I’ve been clear that if they drop that support, I’ll leave. So obviously, if you have evidence that they’re going to drop it, please present it – and you’ll make at least one difference.

    • Sorry for the preponderance of replies. This will be my last.

      I did some checking. The Green Party have been committed to introducing a Citizen’s Income “as quickly as possible” since 2009. I don’t think you can ask any more of any party than that.

      http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/record-of-policy-statements.html (search for Spring 2009, point 10 in the first briefing)

      Obviously, we’re not likely to find out what they’d do in a majority government any time soon; Syriza may have won in Greece, but the UK is not Greece – in particular, British voters chose to punish the poor for the sins of the rich themselves, rather than having such punishment thrust upon them by the EU. Moreover, Greece has a form of PR; we don’t, and the British public chose to kick Nick Clegg in the teeth rather than even take a baby step in that direction. That will have to change before we see even Green membership of a coalition (unless things get REALLY strained in May), let alone a Green-led government.

      So all we have to go on are their published statements. I’m satisfied by those statements. But if you have better evidence, then please, present it – indeed, it’s essential that you do.

  38. A trade in and surrender of all UK welfare provision for a basic income of £75 that is madness.

    The basic income is a con like the minimum wage it will trap the low and unwaged in poverty. The only surprise is that IDS is not grabbing the Green’s policy like he stole Labour’s welfare reform agenda.

    The basic income looks more like a middle class bonus scheme it is the jacking up of welfare provision over and above the heads of the poor in much the same way as tax credits did in the UK.

    A basic income would by definition lock the poor into a basic income it does exactly what it says on the tin – Basic Income your applicable amount is the amount that the Government says that you and your family need to live on each week.

    • Jobseekers Rights Information Network (JRIN)

      As an organisation we advocate ending the “conditionality” attendant to JSA; shutting down the jobcentres, ‘work programmes’ and just paying JSA in the same manner as a pension. It would save a fortune on needless infrastructure, bureaucracy, gold-plated pensions, multi-tiered cushy ‘management’ positions and inflated salaries. Or is that too simple?! And as a ‘brucie bonus you could at double at least the rate of JSA from the savings from unnecessary infrastructure, bureaucracy and waste. Of course, a lot of people would have a lot to lose – dwp ‘management’ and their cushy,opulent lifestyles; third-parties ‘providers’ who use the unemployed as cash-cows; the beneficiaries of slave labour, and last but not least the army of over-paid “advisors” and “decision makers” – but we reckon this is a ‘price worth paying’.

    • “The basic income is a con like the minimum wage it will trap the low and unwaged in poverty”

      How? How exactly is having a guaranteed income worse than the present situation, of having an income – at the same level – that can be snatched away without notice on the flimsiest of pretexts?

      A basic income doesn’t lock people into poverty; it frees them from the most crippling worries of all. Look at the places where it’s been tried; productivity went up (and not a little!) and poverty was all but eliminated. Because people didn’t have to worry about where their next meal was coming from, they could focus on what was best for them; because they weren’t desperately clinging on to the shittiest of jobs to feed them, they could go and find better jobs – or decide that the upsides of even worse paid jobs were worth it, because the basics of life were covered.

      In short, it doesn’t just give people a basic income. It removes economic coercion from the equation. It restores a huge amount of power and self-determination to people. Everyone benefits from the freedom from wage slavery; taking a low wage, or even no wage at all, to do something one lives becomes a genuine choice, rather than an act of desperation.

      Moreover, it means that people are free to take a chance on something. Fancy self-employment, but don’t have capital? No worries; your basics are covered, so you can just start tiny and see if you can get somewhere doing what you love.

      Suffice to say, I honestly do not understand your objections. Unless – have you somehow got the impression that the Green Party is proposing that the entire panoply of welfare payments is axed and replaced with a single simple £70pw payment? If so, I think you misunderstand the Green proposals; the Green Party is NOT suggesting that the entire welfare system is abandoned – they explicitly say that nobody will lose money, and that supplements for disability (as evaluated by NHS doctors!), and housing benefit, will continue to be paid (although they want to expand HB initially and replace it eventually). They do understand that setting a CI too low would be even worse for people than the present system!

      • Giving EVERYONE a Citizens Income of £70 would be disastrous, and leaving those with no other income to pay all their expenses; food, housing, shelter, heating etc. out of £70. It would effectively be a shift in welfare payments from the poor to the middle/upper class. You have to really think through what you are proposing otherwise you are easily conned. Also, the word “simply” raises a red flag. The welfare system is always being “simplified” i.e cut away. And remember the con that was is the “simplified” ‘flat tax’ that the media, especially the BBC (with downright lies) were peddling no so long ago. Another “simplification” is the shift from that nasty, nasty (progressive) income tax and onto (regressive) ‘purchase tax’ i.e as we are fed the lie that the rich spend more so they would pay not. When in actual fact the poor would pay more (regressive) because they are forced to spend every penny they earn. We have to be careful of not falling into the right-wing USofA talk-show host agenda where they whip up their listeners emotionally until you reach a situation when you have ‘trailer-trash’ ranting about ‘illegal income tax’ and by dint advocating tax-cut for rich.

        • Yes, I hear a lot of right-wingers banging on about a ‘citizens income’ of £70 a week – everyone, I mean everyone get £70 a week, and, that’s it. So effectively, the rich get another £70 in their pocket for an extra bottle of champagne while they poor are plunged into absolute destitution as they attempt to feed, heat, clothe and pay for a roof over their head on £70 a week. The Green’s may have the right intent but as sure as Nigel Farage smokes the finest Cuban cigars someone/something will try to subvert the principle and mount yet another con trick: “Oh, why did we fall for that?”

          • overburdenddonkey

            mushy
            i agree it’s no good, our incomes need to be inflation protected and it has to be enough (to buy all needs) for to provide vitality giving vitals of life, or it is useless…and/or several million jobs need to be created…we did not create this mess neoliberalism did…
            http://tlio.org.uk/welfare-reform-is-ending-the-bribe-for-the-theft-of-our-land/

          • Yes, but as we’ve seen, the same can be said of any social security system. All of them are vulnerable to the political whims of the day; the only way to prevent that from happening is to take it out of the remit of politicians altogether, and establish a new constitution that specifies an independently-calculated CI as a basic right. The right wingers would raise merry hell, and do everything within their power to get such a constitution scrapped or amended, of course – but honestly, I don’t think that’s a struggle that’s going to have been resolved by even our great great grandchildrens’ passing. However, as a statement of intent, sticking it in a written constitution would at least focus minds, get the voters thinking of it as a basic right that CANNOT be taken away or fucked about with.

            Hearts and minds, folks. Right wingers don’t have either, so we should be way ahead.😉

        • I agree, and if that were what the Greens were proposing I wouldn’t support it or them. But it isn’t.

          However, giving everyone a sum independently calculated to genuinely cover the cost of living in their area, and then imposing a graduated tax on all income – earned, unearned, capital gains, inheritance – and a land value tax… do you think THAT would be disastrous? Because I think it’d be rather good. Rich people would end up paying back far more than that, through the top end rate of the graduated tax (I’m talking at least 75% here); poor people would be independent of the petty demands of the kinds of employers that seek to keep them in poverty… and there are SO many more poor people than rich people that I think it’s pretty fucking important that we put them (us!) first.

          Also, call me right wing again, even by implication, and I’ll slap your face. *looks sternly at you*

          • Oh. Sorry, that wasn’t you, it was Mushy Pea Soup. *looks sternly at MPS, tries valiantly to avoid cracking up*

    • (To amplify that, I share your concerns that a future government will come along and go “ah, basic income! cool, there you go, fifty quid a week for everyone and that’s yer lot”. But that risk of drowning is no reason to chuck the baby out the window with the bathwater.)

  39. In the UK the working class has ceased to exist. They are defunct, soon to be obsolete, nay, extinct. We are a service industry nation. The majority of employees work in shops and cafes. This is the natural order of things. We are evolving. Here the working class are no longer needed. Everything that is made comes from China, the last bastion of the working class. The reason for all of the welfare slashing is that the indigenous working class are surplus to requirements, and can no longer be afforded. They are now a burden on British society.

    • What utter bollocks! There is no ‘natural order’ it has been imposed. There is absolutely no shortage of wealth, it’s just in the wrong places – stolen by the rich from the workers.

      • Sib – It depends what you mean by “wealth”. If you mean money, then of course there’s no shortage… the banks can just ‘print’ some more! Or do you mean something else?

        • Power.

          • That has nothing to do with wealth. Is your vote not power? Is the internet, including this site, also not power? …and most important of all, is organisation not power?

            • Why would I answer a question based on such an obviously false initial assertion?

              • Perhaps it’s simplistic, but the philosophical point is that power always comes before wealth. You can only take wealth from others (or create it) if you have sufficient power. Once a person is rich, they can buy more power under some circumstances, but wealth and money are not the same thing.

              • P.S. So back to the point….. Is your vote not power? Is the internet, including this site, also not power? …and most important of all, is organisation not power?

    • So roger no working class people left. Tory Toffs Rule & kill poor people & the working class. Tory Planet roger.

      • Tories are evolving into genocide from ethnic cleansing the working class. Tax Credit Top Up !!!n

      • There is a large constituency of the working class that does not self-identify as working class, a constituency that holds the aspirations and values fed to them by the MSM.

        Experience the malicious and for fun sanctions of a working class JCP work roach then you will know the working class of Planet roger.

    • Well, if you really believe that, why not just round us all up and march us into death camps? And why exactly do you think that the people toiling in the service industry are not working class? The work done by us proles may have evolved, but we’re still much the same as we always were. Broke, at the mercy of exploitation (the very nature of employment is exploitative!) and economic coercion, trying to live our lives as best we can without being particularly interested in climbing power trees.

      In fact, the very definition of the working class should probably be updated to reflect the fact that it’s all about power. The ruling class have and crave it, the proletariat don’t have it and don’t crave it, and the bourgeoisie crave it but don’t have it. (And those who have it but don’t care for it? Prince Peter Kropotkin and Lord Anthony Wedgewood Benn spring to mind…)

  40. “DAME CAROL BLACK, PURE EVIL”……………

    Just like Gunnyeon, a mouthpiece for the private health insurance industry

    …………………note the comments

    Exclusive: UK should discuss prioritising NHS treatment for workers – Dame Carol Black

    carolblack2006

    Two of the government’s top health and work advisers believe the merits of prioritising NHS treatment for working people need to be seriously discussed.

    The Department of Health (DoH) and Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) advisers acknowledged that one of the problems with returning people to work quickly was long NHS waiting lists causing delays in accessing treatment

    http://www.wsandb.co.uk/wsb/news/2332645/exclusive-uk-should-discuss-prioritising-nhs-treatment-for-workers-dame-carol-black

  41. Comments on Dame Carol Black’s ideology that those not employed should be prioritised for NHS TREATMENT

    What next revoke the Disability discrimination act because after all if you can work you don’t need help, and if you can’t you don’t deserve it. How about a time limit on pensions, another bunch of people the country can do without.

    I’m scum. I wasn’t until two years ago when a viral infection damaged my central nervous system. I’m now signed off work, under a pain specialist with bits of me which feel constant pain, shake, feel cold, itch and I’m unlikely to get better.

    Any sense of dignity, with disability, had left the building with the current Government and their advisers. I’ve just been through a second winter unable to afford to heat my home. Isolation, cold and pain aren’t pleasant bedfellows… and thanks to these advisers, who like their bosses, seem to think human life only has value if you’re able to pay taxes.

    Don’t it make you proud to be British.

    The UK is, Supposedly, the 7th Richest country in the World, during the 20th Century, there was never any question of Rationing Healthcare. Now, some are talking of rationing based on Economic Activity thus those not in Employment, whether through sickness, Disability or being retired.
    The Retired have paid into the NHS all their working lives, Why should they be denied a healthy retirement just because they have retired?
    This sort of mindset gives us the concept of ‘Deserving’ v ‘Undeserving’ Poor, an idea that was current in Dickens’ day.
    I suppose the next step will be repeal the Representation of the People Act 1832
    It makes one question whether we ARE living in the 21st Century or the 19th

    I am no longer working but have paid into this NATIONAL iNSURANCE so that I am able to be provided for now and, in a few year my old age. This means that the Governments should have put this money in a safe place to earn interest to pay for all our needs instead of it being lumped together as an extra tax.

    How far will these people descend? Yes, Carol Black, this takes the discussion into “a totally different place” a place based on discrimination, injustice and inequality. shame on you.

    So YOUR telling me that my husband can’t have treatment because he’s NO longer working? Even through he was in the Army?
    This is social Dawinism and I thought this country was better than that? Mind you the way Iain Duncan Smith has been treating the chronically ill and disabled is reminiscent of Nazi germany, no wonder one group fighting for disability rights are called Black Triangle!
    HERES A THOUGHT: if the disabled are forced to sign on now – no matter how ill they are – they can be regarded as working too.
    What’s also galling is how the UK are always telling the rest of the world how to live and yet they want to get their own house in order first, especially as he said we’re a rich country – YEAH RIGHT!!!!

    This unbelievable and totally unworkable!

    In the first instance this plan is discriminatory from many angles. What of disabled people who are unable to work? The struggle against the existing disability discrimination that is already endemic in the NHS is bad enough – without legitimising it with some crack pot scheme. The costs to the NHS in payouts for discrimination would bankrupt the whole organisation!

    Then there is the fact that people would get around this bias by lying – claiming that they are employed when they’re not – and good luck to them!

    All health care should be based on clinical need not social standing. You can not prioritise a minor health issue just because the patient is employed, whilst leaving an unemployed person, a disabled person, a carer or a pensioner to die from a more serious issue just because they are not employed.

    This proposal aims to take us back to the days of Dickensian work houses – shocking and shameful.

    The suggestion that NHS treatment should be prioritised according to employment status is absolutely disgraceful and absurd. Treatment must always be prioritised according to urgency of the patient’s condition, not according to whether or not the person works or claims benefits; to suggest otherwise is just another example of the idiotic, uncaring bunch of scroungers currently posing as a Government. Roll on 2015 to get them OUT!!

  42. dirt under their feet

    From our local hospital, there’s a form printed on the back of a letter for an appointment for a pre-assessment for an operation. It asks for details which are already mostly on the letter itself, indicating that afterwards the back part is going to be photocopied for elsewhere.

    Plus nothing there to do with anything medical (with medical questions on a separate form, as you’d expect).
    Two questions added are –
    What is your occupation?
    Are you on any type of benefit?

    This looks like the start of it.

    (In due course, will find out if anything happens if someone doesn’t fill it in, and refuses to answer non-medical questions.)

    • One big clue that something is going to be photo-copied is if the form states : “TO BE COMPLETED IN BLACK IN ONLY” The solution to that is to complete in in PENCIL…😉

  43. As any Votes For Socialism as Possible

    Socialism Not Slavery

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