Student Movement Sparks Back To Life In Fight For #FreeEducation


A copper gets a paint job in response to the violent police attack

In a further sign that resistance to austerity is sparking back to life, students from across the UK marched in central London yesterday demanding the right to free education.  This was the biggest student protest since the spiky demonstrations in 2010 when students smashed their way into the Tory Party headquarters.

As on previous protests, many students were not content to obediently march from A to B and then listen to politicians making boring and insincere speeches.  Instead, when the march arrived at Parliament Square many protesters tore down the fences surrounding the square.  These were erected after the recent Occupy protests and are intended to prevent any unofficial dissent against government policies outside the Houses of Parliament.  So far they havent worked very well.

As hundreds of people occupied the Square, a large group broke away heading towards the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills where they were viciously attacked by police.  This didn’t stop the Department, a local Starbucks and several coppers from being given an impromptu paint job as some demonstrators hurled makeshift paintbombs in resistance to the assault.  Further sit down protests, and minor scuffles continued outside Scotland Yard and the Tory HQ as small groups headed off in different directions occupying roads and bringing traffic chaos to the capital.

11 people were arrested, although all were released without charge*.  Many of those detained suffered injuries.  According to event organisers, the National Coalition Against Fees and Cuts (NCFAC) one person who had been refused medical treatment in custody had to be taken to hospital immediately after being released.  This is how the state now responds to even the most trivial civil disobedience.

There is no doubt that yesterday set the scene for the resurgence of a combative student movement in the run up to the next general election. And it’s not just students who should be pissed off.  Young people now face a terrifying future of shit wages or workfare, inadequate and insecure housing and the healthcare and pensions they will need as they grow older being stripped away.  Not one of the main political parties gives a fuck as an entire generation’s futures are demolished.  So when you hear media commentators complaining about violence at these protests because a copper got his hat kncked off or someone threw a bit of paint at a government building then remember who the real criminals are.

The NUS were also targetted on the morning of the demonstrations, with graffiti accusing them of being scabs for not supporting the march.  The unions pathetic excuse for this decision was concerns about health and safety as if some risk assessment is going to make a difference to a copper who’s decided to kick someone’s head in for not respecting their authority.

The last national student protest was organised by the NUS and featured a dispiriting march through the back streets of South London to a nondescript park in the pouring rain.  It was probably the most depressing political non-event in history.  The students who took action yesterday are better off without them.

More resistance is planned with a day of walk outs, occupations, protests and direct action called for on Wednesday December 3rd.  On the following Saturday 6th December local marches will take place throughout the UK.  Please help spread the word.

*Those arrested have been bailed to re-appear at police stations meaning they are not out of the woods yet.  Activist support group Green and Black Cross have called on anyone who witnessed an arrest, or police violence, to contact them at:

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124 responses to “Student Movement Sparks Back To Life In Fight For #FreeEducation

  1. overburdenddonkey

    the “leaders” of the nus are likely keen to become career politicians…
    but good on the r.students for saying enough is enough…

      • “HMRC cannot account for £2 billion”

        The fact that two billion quid set aside as tax relief for “ENTREPERNEURIAL RELIEF” has gone walkabout, beggars belief, or does it?…………………………………..

        The HMRC expects the taxpayer to furnish squeaky clean tax returns that are scrutinised in every possible way, yet fail to notice where £2,000,000,000 has disappeared to…………..

        Now come on, somebody is taking the piss big style!

        ………………..the relevance of this amount being hidden will come to light (another cover up), when the recipients of the relief ever come to light.

        “One thing’s for certain, whoever they are will have links to government cronies, donors or potential knighthoods”.

        …………………………for a nation that is fighting to suppress payments to severely handicapped in the form of ILF Independent Living Funds, this latest revelation of abuse of public money, makes me cringe.


        Entrepreneurs’ Relief

        Work out your tax
        How to claim

        1. Eligibility

        You may be able to pay less Capital Gains Tax when you sell (or ‘dispose of’) all or part of your business.

        Entrepreneurs’ Relief means you’ll pay tax at 10% on qualifying assets (instead of the normal rate of 18% or 28%).
        Work out if you qualify

        You’ll qualify if you dispose of any of the following:

        all or part of your business as a sole trader or business partner – including the business’s assets after it closed
        shares in a company where you have at least 5% of shares and voting rights (known as a ‘personal company’)
        assets you lent to your business or personal company

        If you’re selling all or part of your business

        All the following must apply:

        you’re a sole trader or business partner
        you’ve owned the business for at least one year before the date you sell or close it
        you sell or dispose of your business assets within 3 years after selling or closing the business

        If you’re selling shares

        All the following must apply for at least one year before you sell your shares:

        you have at least 5% of shares and voting rights in the company
        you’re an employee or director of the company (or one in the same group)
        the company’s main activities are in trading (rather than non-trading activities like investment)

        If you’re selling assets you lent to the business

        All the following must apply:

        you’ve sold your part of a business partnership or your shares in a personal company
        you owned the assets but let your business partnership or personal company use them for at least one year up to the date you sold your business or shares


        ……………so where has your two billion quid really gone?



          • ……………….that would explain the big cover up and a possible link to the setting up of MAXIMUS UK………………….

            • ………..even more sinister, could the missing £2 billion have found it’s way into the hands of the DWP’s co conspirator of the hidden mortality deaths, ATOS ?


          “The NATIONAL AUDIT OFFICE added the Treasury and HMRC were unable to identify which tax reliefs had been created to change people’s behaviour as part of a government policy objective.”

          alarm bells should be ringing!!!!


            ……………….the clue to where your two billion has gone, is in the title,

  2. Warms my heart i really thought the students had such a easy life they were going to just keel over and except the very little on offer to them.Students need to get hold and use these ‘Go cameras to protect themselves from the abusive of a few policemen.
    Students who can’t take part email the MP’s , fill their boxes up etc.
    This is warming up and just in time!

  3. ………….the ticking time bomb is about to detonate, no end of state bullying will stop it happening, for too long the one percent have been laying down the rules to the detriment of the other ninety nine……………….

    They lit the touchpaper, now stand back and watch the biggest pyrotechnics display on UK soil, ever seen…………


      …………………..but only if we let them:

      Terry McGarvey, 48. Dangerously ill from polycytheamia, Terry asked for an ambulance to be called during his Work Capability Assessment. He knew that he wasn’t well enough to attend his WCA but feared that his benefits would be stopped if he did not. He died the following day.

      Elaine Lowe, 53. Suffering from COPD and fearful of losing her benefits. In desperation, Elaine chose to commit suicide.

      Mark Wood, 44. Found fit for work by Atos, against his Doctors advice and assertions that he had complex mental health problems. Starved to death after benefits stopped, weighing only 5st 8lb when he died.

      Paul Reekie, 48, the Leith based Poet and Author. Suffered from severe depression. Committed suicide after DWP stopped his benefits due to an Atos ‘fit for work’ decision.

      Leanne Chambers, 30. Suffered depression for many years which took a turn for the worst when she was called in for a WCA. Leanne committed suicide soon after.

      Karen Sherlock, 44. Multiple health issues. Found fit for work by Atos and denied benefits. Fought a long battle to get placed into the support group of ESA. Karen died the following month of a heart attack.

      Carl Payne, 42. Fears of losing his lifeline benefits due to welfare reform led this Father of two to take his own life.

      Tim Salter, 53. Blind and suffering from Agoraphobia. Tim hanged himself after Atos found him fit for work and stopped his benefits.

      Edward Jacques, 47 years old and suffering from HIV and Hepatitis C. Edward had a history of severe depression and self-harm. He took a fatal overdose after Atos found him fit for work and stopped his benefits.

      Linda Wootton, 49 years old. A double heart and lung transplant patient. Died just nine days after the government found her fit for work, their refusal letter arriving as she lay desperately ill in her hospital bed.

      Steven Cawthra, 55. His benefits stopped by the DWP and with rising debts, he saw suicide as the only way out of a desperate situation.

      Elenore Tatton, 39 years old. Died just weeks after the government found her fit for work.

      John Walker, 57, saddled with debt because of the bedroom tax, John took his own life.

      Brian McArdle, 57 years old. Suffered a fatal heart attack the day after his disability benefits were stopped.

      Stephen Hill, 53. Died of a heart attack one month after being found fit for work, even though he was waiting for major heart surgery.

      Jacqueline Harris, 53. A former Nurse who could hardly walk was found fit for work by Atos and her benefits withdrawn. in desperation, she took her own life.

      David Barr, 28. Suffering from severe mental difficulties. Threw himself from a bridge after being found fit for work by Atos and failing his appeal.

      David Groves, 56. Died of a heart attack the night before taking his work capability assessment. His widow claimed that it was the stress that killed him.

      Nicholas Peter Barker, 51. Shot himself after being told his benefits were being stopped. He was unable to work after a brain haemorrhage left him paralysed down one side.

      Mark and Helen Mullins, 48 and 59 years old. Forced to live on £57.50 a week and make 12 mile trips each week to get free vegetables to make soup. Mark and Helen both committed suicide.

      Richard Sanderson, 44. Unable to find a job and with his housing benefit cut forcing him to move, but with nowhere to go. Richard committed suicide.

      Martin Rust, 36 years old. A schizophrenic man who killed himself two months after the government found him fit to work.

      Craig Monk, 43. A vulnerable gentleman and a partial amputee who slipped so far into poverty that he hanged himself.

      Colin Traynor, 29, and suffering from epilepsy was stripped of his benefits. He appealed. Five weeks after his death his family found he had won his appeal.

      Elaine Christian, 57 years old. Worried about her work capability assessment, she was subsequently found at Holderness drain, drowned and with ten self inflicted wrist wounds.

      Christelle and Kayjah Pardoe, 32 years and 5 month old. Pregnant, her benefits stopped, Christelle, clutching her baby son jumped from a third floor balcony.

      Mark Scott, 46. His DLA and housing benefit stopped and sinking into deep depression, Mark died six weeks later.

      Cecilia Burns, 51. Found fit for work while undergoing treatment for breast cancer. She died just a few weeks after she won her appeal against the Atos decision.

      Chris Cann, 57 years old. Found dead in his home just months after being told he had to undergo a medical assessment to prove he could not work.

      Peter Hodgson, 49. Called to JCP to see if he was suitable for volunteer work. Peter had suffered a stroke, a brain haemorrhage and had a fused leg. His appointment letter arrived a few days after he took his own life.

      Paul Willcoxsin, 33 years old. Suffered with mental health problems and worried about government cuts. Paul committed suicide by hanging himself.

      Stephanie Bottrill, 53. After paying £80 a month for bedroom tax, Stephanie could not afford heating in the winter, and lived on tinned custard. In desperation, she chose to walk in front of a lorry.

      Larry Newman suffered from a degenerative lung condition, his weight dropping from 10 to 7 stone. Atos awarded him zero points, he died just three months after submitting his appeal.

      Paul Turner, 52 years old. After suffering a heart attack, he was ordered to find a job in February. In April Paul died from ischaemic heart disease.

      Christopher Charles Harkness, 39. After finding out that the funding for his care home was being withdrawn, this man who suffered with mental health issues, took his own life.

      Sandra Louise Moon, 57. Suffering from a degenerative back condition, depression and increasingly worried about losing her incapacity benefit. Sandra committed suicide by taking an overdose.

      Lee Robinson, 39 years old. Took his own life after his housing benefit and council tax were taken away from him.

      David Coupe, 57. A Cancer sufferer found fit for work by Atos in 2012. David lost his sight, then his hearing, then his mobility, and then his life.

      Michael McNicholas, 34. Severely depressed and a recovering alcoholic. Michael committed suicide after being called in for a Work Capability Assessment by Atos.

      Victor Cuff, 59 and suffering from severe depression. Victor hanged himself after the DWP stopped his benefits.

      Charles Barden, 74. Charles committed suicide by hanging due to fears that the Bedroom Tax would leave him destitute and unable to cope.

      Ian Caress, 43. Suffered multiple health issues and deteriorating eyesight. Ian was found fit for work by Atos, he died ten months later having lost so much weight that his family said that he resembled a concentration camp victim.

      Iain Hodge, 30. Suffered from the life threatening illness, Hughes Syndrome. Found fit for work by Atos and benefits stopped, Iain took his own life.

      Wayne Grew, 37. Severely depressed due to government cuts and the fear of losing his job, Wayne committed suicide by hanging.

      Kevin Bennett, 40. Kevin a sufferer of schizophrenia and mental illness became so depressed after his JSA was stopped that he became a virtual recluse. Kevin was found dead in his flat several months later.

      David Elwyn Hughs Harries, 48. A disabled man who could no longer cope after his parents died, could find no help from the government via benefits. David took an overdose as a way out of his solitude.

      Denis Jones, 58. A disabled man crushed by the pressures of government cuts, in particular the Bedroom Tax, and unable to survive by himself. Denis was found dead in his flat.

      Shaun Pilkington, 58. Unable to cope any more, Shaun shot himself dead after receiving a letter from the DWP informing him that his ESA was being stopped.

      Paul ?, 51. Died in a freezing cold flat after his ESA was stopped. Paul appealed the decision and won on the day that he lost his battle to live.

      Chris MaGuire, 61. Deeply depressed and incapable of work, Chris was summonsed by Atos for a Work Capability Assessment and deemed fit for work. On appeal, a judge overturned the Atos decision and ordered them to leave him alone for at least a year, which they did not do. In desperation, Chris took his own life, unable to cope anymore.

      Peter Duut, a Dutch national with terminal cancer living in the UK for many years found that he was not entitled to benefits unless he was active in the labour market. Peter died leaving his wife destitute, and unable to pay for his funeral.

      George Scollen, age unknown. Took his own life after the government closed the Remploy factory he had worked in for 40 years.

      Julian Little, 47. Wheelchair bound and suffering from kidney failure, Julian faced the harsh restrictions of the Bedroom Tax and the loss of his essential dialysis room. He died shortly after being ordered to downgrade.

      Miss DE, Early 50’s. Suffering from mental illness, this lady committed suicide less than a month after an Atos assessor gave her zero points and declared her fit for work.

      Robert Barlow, 47. Suffering from a brain tumour, a heart defect and awaiting a transplant, Robert was deemed fit for work by Atos and his benefits were withdrawn. He died penniless less than two years later.

      Carl Joseph Foster-Brown, 58. As a direct consequence of the wholly unjustifiable actions of the Job centre and DWP, this man took his own life.

      Martin Hadfield, 20 years old. Disillusioned with the lack of jobs available in this country but too proud to claim benefits. Utterly demoralised, Martin took his own life by hanging himself.

      Annette Francis, 30. A mum-of-one suffering from severe mental illness, found dead after her disability benefits were ceased.

      Ian Jordan, 60. His benefits slashed after Atos and the DWP declared Ian, a sufferer of Barratt’s Oesophagus, fit for work, caused him to run up massive debts in order to survive. Ian was found dead in his flat after taking an overdose.

      Janet McCall, 53. Terminally ill with pulmonary fibrosis and declared ‘Fit for Work’ by Atos and the DWP, this lady died 5 months after her benefits were stopped.

      Stuart Holley, 23. A man driven to suicide by the DWP’s incessant pressure and threat of sanctions for not being able to find a job.

      Graham Shawcross, 63. A sufferer of the debilitating disease, Addison’s. Died of a heart attack due to the stress of an Atos ‘Fit for Work’ decision.

      David Clapson, 59 years old. A diabetic ex-soldier deprived of the means to survive by the DWP and the governments harsh welfare reforms, David died all but penniless, starving and alone, his electricity run out.

      Chris Smith, 59. Declared ‘Fit for Work’ by Atos as he lay dying of Cancer in his hospital bed.

      Nathan Hartwell, 36, died of heart failure after an 18-month battle with the ­Department for Works and Pensions.

      Michael Connolly, 60. A Father of One, increasingly worried about finances after his benefits were cut. Committed suicide by taking 13 times the fatal dose of prescription medicine on the 30th October – His Birthday.

      Jan Mandeville, 52, A lady suffering from Fibromyalgia, driven to the point of mental and physical breakdown by this governments welfare reforms. Jan was found dead in her home after battling the DWP for ESA and DLA.

      Trevor Drakard, 50 years old. A shy and reserved, severe epileptic who suffered regular and terrifying fits almost his entire life, hounded to suicide by the DWP who threatened to stop his life-line benefits.

      Death of a severely disabled Dorset resident, unnamed, who took her own life while battling the bedroom tax.

      This list will continue to grow with the DWP ARROGANCE AND IGNORANCE………………


      • hi geoff,im not a great fan of rap music but on youtube a young guy called carl compton has made an upload of a rap and all names of victims are on it,he seems a decent lad with a conscience check it out geoff has a great one about duncan smith aswell…peace my friend


        The eight-month phone-hacking trial is arguably the most expensive trial in British legal history, according to its presiding judge, with the combined costs nearing £100m.

        …………………Andy Coulson left prison today after serving nearly five months…………………………………….


  4. If they can replicate some of the fearless passion of that 2010 storming of Tory HQ, then thousands of us all over the country will follow their lead, but it has to be the youth showing the way. The rest of us are too weary to chance it alone…

  5. department for deciet and sanctions AKA DWP

    Back to Kilburn jobcentre this morning for a Thursday signon session with Eddie, the 51-year-old man with learning and literacy difficulties who I’ve been working with as he’s tried to get his fortnightly jobsearch done and avoid sanctions.

    The jobcentre was pretty chaotic this morning – understaffed, I think, and tense. Most of the seats in the waiting area were occupied by people who were waiting to sign on. A number of people were pacing around.

    Eddie was one of them: “I want to get out of here,” he kept saying to me. “Let’s get it [the signon] done and go.” Eddie hates the jobcentre and he seemed fraught this morning. He said there’d been some sort of fight between a claimant and adviser and/or Security just before I arrived. I knew something was up, because I’d seen four or five coppers climbing out of their car and heading into the jobcentre just as I turned up at about 9.30am. By the time I got upstairs, the police were all hanging around on the first floor in the waiting area and I could see a couple of coppers talking to people in a side room.

    (please put a link if you c&p from somewhere else and post a summary/introduction rather than the full article – many thanks – jv)

    Read more at:

  6. department for deciet and sanctions AKA DWP

    can see it going off big time me every single lad i know is sanctioned of there JSA and are walking into tesco opening pre made buttys and pots of pasta and eating them things are very tense in my hometown and it’s on a knife edge the thing is most of these have fuck all to loose!

    • I’ve got to be careful in case I could be accused of inciting insurrection, but looking at what’s happening, that could be the consequence of deliberately denying food to claimants during the coming winter.

    • The Hunger Games

      At the end of the day nobody is going to starve to death just because a fat bastard dwp ‘decision maker’ said so especially in a country like the UK which is over-flowing with food and with most of it thrown out. A poxy tesco minimum wage ‘security guard’ standing between a hungry belly and a pot of ready made pasta and a butty is going to be crushed.

      • @The Hunger Games
        “At the end of the day nobody is going to starve to death”
        Utter tripe. I helped out a single unemployed neighbour with food when he was sanctioned over Christmas, for heaven’s sake. He’s also ill and could have well died. Look at Geoff Reynold’s list above. Many if not most died from lack of food.

  7. department for deciet and sanctions AKA DWP

    and all of the street lamps in my area are either fully burned off at night or a very dimly lit ermmm ?

  8. @timfrom
    “Eddie can find it difficult to write words out in the right order with the right spelling”
    I’m an engineer but had that problem after a stroke. Glad I’m now out of that. The Tory Corporate State showing it’s true colours.

  9. Nudge Harrasment Service

    Unable to sleep, unable to eat (even if I had any food anyway), literally worried sick – drank half a cuppa tea @ 7.00am and instantly puked. Contemplating suicide. BUT if I go down, he goes down with me. Petty officials on a fucking huge power-trip angry ‘cos they feel their little bit of authority has been undermined. Pathetic. Think twice. You have MUCH more to lose than I have.

  10. Nicely put. This info needs to be repeated over and over, the list updated, etc until people realise that we tell the truth: that the UK as a whole is being cheated, lied to over and over again, and that these charlatans in gov do not want to see any of us in their rearviews. They do not want us to be evident anywhere……..

    The meedja will lie and cheat as it always has done. And they will certainly never EVER publish a list such as this.

    Or a single line about the student demos.

    Rock on!

  11. DWP’s secret death reviews spare Atos

    Category: Latest news
    Created: Wednesday, 19 November 2014 21:20

    An average of two benefits related deaths every month are secretly investigated by the DWP, it has been revealed. But the evidence from such reviews may not be being passed on to coroners courts or bereaved relatives.

    In addition, the DWP are refusing to follow an official recommendation that a medically qualified person should always review any Atos medical report following a benefits related death.

    ……………………………………….i wonder why the DWP don’t want a medically trained person to check an ATOS medical report of a claimant who has died?

    • “request to the INDEPENDENT CASE EXAMINER (please try not to laugh),
      of the DWP………………..

      I now require you to respond to the following.

      1. For the YEAR 2013/14, how many cases have you concluded which
      involved a complainant who either attempted suicide or succeeded in
      killing him or herself?

      2. How much of a consolatory payment was offered to each
      complainant who attempted suicide identified in your response to
      Question 1?

      Yours sincerely,

      J Roberts

      Link to this

      • “SEEMS AN EASY REQUEST TO THE BBC, are they hiding something?”

        From: rasheeda Elahi

        17 November 2014

        Dear FOI Enquiries,

        The information you have provided me with did not answer my
        question. You have not shown me any law which requires me to pay
        for a TV licence and for this I am requesting an internal review

        Yours sincerely,
        Rasheeda Elahi

        Link to this

        • Fight 4 your rights

          @ Geoff

          As long as you are not using your tv or other equipment to record or watch programs as they are being transmitted then you do not need a licence. I have stopped paying my licence fee and sure enough they sent one of the goons around to “inspect” my tv, but as they did not have a warrant the goon was told to go away politely. They can enter with a warrant but for this to be granted they need proof that you have been watching/recording live TV with out a licence. but as there has never been a recorded conviction in a UK court where evidence from a TV dector van it would be hard for them to gather evidence that can be used to have the warrant granted

          you are allowed to watch catchup tv services with out a licence.

          contact TVL and cancel your licence and live a free life knowing that you are no longer supporting a corporation that is biased in its reporting and programming and hides pedos among its staff.

          • Fight 4 Your Rights: I thought it was if you had a TV that was capable of receiving live programs? They don’t go by the criteria that you have watched live TV according to the YT vids i’ve watched about it. If they gain access to your home and you have a TV hooked up to an aerial that can receive TV channels then in their mind you need a licence for that.

            I agree with you, the TVL is a load of shite and should be abolished but i’m just saying what i think is the case. If they take you to court they don’t need to prove you’ve been watching live TV. They only need to prove you have the means of doing so.

            I mean look at this! Who’d want the cops arriving on their doorstep and putting you through this.

    • Fight 4 your rights

      They do not want a medically trained person (ie) a doctor who letters after their name because they know that ATOS have been nothing more than a cover up to make unemployment figures look lower so the torys can say what a fantastic job they are doing. its as all smoke and mirrors.

      and now that fauxmamus are doing the job of ATOS it will only get worse.
      why should the tax payer have to pay for this service so the pockets of slime balls are lined. lets kick out the torys and the spineless libdems

  12. I was signing at the jobcentre today and I was given a notification letter informing me that I have to attend next week and bring proof of identification and any bank and transaction statements. I’ve been unemployed for quite a while and it looks like a case of just having a nose at any transactions they can spot on my bank statements that they might be able to use against me. I guess I will have to hope whoever is playing at being my work coach next week is not one of the nasty ones. My accounts don’t have much money in them anyway but it’s not right that they can nose around without any comeback.

    • Fight 4 your rights


      They cannot do anything with the information on your bank statement, what you spend your money on is none of their bloody business. as long as you are meeting the requiremets for signing on as per your agreement you dont have to show them bank statements. they know how much they have paied you.

      if you are forced to take a statement in then only show the account number and sort code along with the account holders name and address. Redact any transactions that are not related to benefit payments from the DWP

  13. fuck you Ian duncan smith

    @ rob they done it with me and could clearly see i was spunking my giro on betting on horse via pulled me about but could not do jack shit tell em to fuck off

  14. fuck you Ian duncan smith

    Like many people I have been in and out of work over the past couple of years.

    Every job is temporary, or low paid, or unspecified hours, or all of them together. And all of the jobs come to an end.

    Recently I decided that I was going to stop this cycle and follow my dream of becoming a writer. This is it, this is what I will do, or die in the process.

    So when I was told, suddenly, by my advisor, that I had to come in every day to the jobcentre for the next two weeks at least, I finally felt confident enough to speak back.

    Though not at the time I was told. As my interview was ending my advisor told me

    “Oh, and you have to come in every day for the next two weeks, starting tomorrow”

  15. say that you use on line banking and that if they want a paper statement that it will cost 25 quid and also that you want it in righting that you must give them a copy of it and that it states it is mandatory to do so on the letter.

    and want the 25 quid up front to pay for it as well 😉

  16. they should have 1 on every desk at the jcp

  17. Thanks all for the comments. I will go in next week and offer up the front page of my bank statement and see what happens. I was told a month or so ago that some guy had been knocking on my door a few times during one week and never left any card. I was told that a guy came in a car and banged on my door three days running and still no card was left. The other week I was in and decided not to answer just to see if any card would be left but it wasn’t. Today as I was in the bathroom getting ready to go to the jobcentre I heard someone banging on my door but as I was soaking wet I didn’t bother answering and got on washing but still no card. Then later today at the jobcentre I get this notification letter which leads me to think that it probably was someone from the jobcentre trying to surprise me and decided it was time just to call me in instead.
    I don’t do any fiddling and only live on my JSA but all this spying on people just isn’t right. I apply for plenty of jobs, 16 jobs two weeks ago and this fortnight 14 jobs.

  18. Labour’s class war and the “Image from Rochester” – contempt for the working class.

  19. if this almighty storm ever passes,i for one,will never except excuses from those who worked for the gov at this time,they know damn well what misery they are pushing and in many cases enjoy it,i once went on a course for “stress management” on the course was a guy who was on the sick from the dole office he told me at length what pressure they were under,this was before the sanctions regime,i actually felt sorry for i wouldnt piss on him..they have a choice to work there

  20. Reblogged this on Beastrabban’s Weblog and commented:
    While I don’t support the destruction of the barriers, it’s not hard to understand or sympathise with the immense frustration of the students marching and their anger at a system that has saddled them with debts many of them will probably never pay off. There was an article in the ‘I’ newspaper on Tuesday, stating that 3/4 of students will never be able to pay off the debts they’ve accrued simply by going to uni. This gave the lie to the claim by the Macclesfield Goebbels, Nick Robinson, that it was all somehow free money, and paying it off somehow wouldn’t be a problem. It’s also a problem for the universities, as the current funding system is unsustainable and simply ‘not fit for purpose’. The ‘I’ states clearly that the state will have to go back to funding higher education, though it seemed to suggest that this will be indirectly. Never mind: its a powerful refutation of the introduction of tuition fees under Blair, and their massive rise by the Tories and their Lib Dem lickspittles.

  21. Mozart don`t have any lyrics Posh Ooooos That would be could Opera !!!

    • …………nothing really surprises me anymore,
      we have a government that kills it’s weakest using Ethnic cleansing enshrined in legislation, paedophile rings that are linked to Westminster that murder young kids and now an Audit office that can’t explain the whereabouts of two billion quid…………………

      ……………if only we knew half of it?

      • Yeah right! ….and they thought Benefits Street was shocking. They’re all lovers of self and money. Full of arrogance. Actually I’m glad I’ve got nothing. Would not want to wake up every morning in their heads.
        When it all really hits the fan they wouldn’t know how to survive.


    20 November 2014

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

    (a) Can you provide information you hold that says which
    back-to-work (btw) and help-to-work (htw) schemes include forms
    that providers use/created that require participant to sign or be
    subject to benefit sanctions for not signing such provider forms or
    documents. (b) As well as information you hold that says btw or htw
    providers cannot make it a benefit condition requirement for
    participants to sign any btw or htw provider forms or document.

    (c) Also for btw and htw please provide information on
    DWP/Jobcentre used/created forms or documents participants are
    required to sign as a condition of benefit entitlement. (d) And
    information you hold that says for btw or htw schemes the
    DWP/Jobcentre cannot make it a benefit condition requirement for
    participants to sign any btw or htw DWP/Jobcentre forms or

    Yours faithfully,

    Frank Zola


      ESA claimants and the “Hassle Factor”

      Another example of the hassle factor in action is the recent decision to invite ESA claimants in for interviews on Saturdays.

      PCS has seen letters of invitation to claimants that suggest that the interviews are mandatory and imply that benefits will be impacted if claimants are late or fail to attend interviews.

      PCS believes that this is deliberately misleading claimants, and likely to cause many genuine claimants unnecessary distress and inconvenience.


        35 Hour Job Search and “Hassle Factor”

        Work coaches are being instructed that Claimant Commitments have to include a requirement that Jobseekers spend 35 hours a week looking for work and that this is to bring job searching activities in line with Universal Credit expectations.
        35 hours weekly job searching may be a requirement of Universal Credit but it is a long way from being delivered and is not supported by current JSA legislation.

        Worryingly members have reported being marked down at the mid year appraisal point for not adhering to this perverse instruction.

  23. Landless Peasant

    Ever had one the those days/years/lives? I’ll be glad when it’s all over :/

  24. Education is only for people with money ,if everyone had a good education then their will be no poor people to fine and extract money from,this will not do ,it is also why a levels are in the think tank to be made harder to achieve. If everyone had money then their would be no one left to victimize and take the blame when bankers drop a clanger . Poor people are pests and should never be allowed anything good, for they may start taking from the rich . new laws are needed to keep the poor in jail longer for petty reasons .The poor are not good enough to enjoy the life style of a rich person . The poor are nothing but rats and need wiping out by removing the Dhss and replacing it with something far to expensive for them.

  25. overburdenddonkey

    here is a taster of the new scottish news service…

  26. A little bird informs me that the GLA have a policy paper that plans to cut the capital’s education and youth services by up to 90%.


    A judge has told the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) that part of the agreement signed by out-of-work benefit claimants does not comply with the law, following a legal challenge from a disabled job-seeker.

    The comments by Judge Christopher Ward in the upper tribunal could potentially affect millions of disabled and non-disabled people who felt they had to sign DWP’s jobseeker’s agreements in order to continue to receive out-of-work benefits.

    Judge Ward said that this failure to comply with the law meant the jobseeker’s agreement breached Chris Hart’s rights, because he was told he did not have the right to have the document examined before he signed it.

    Hart believes the jobseeker’s agreement – which sets out what someone has agreed to do to find work – is in fact a social behaviour contract, a conclusion he says DWP has not challenged.

    This means that every jobseeker’s agreement – and its subsequent enforcement by DWP – is “potentially an utter violation of the principles of the rule of law”, because the basis of the contract is to enforce behaviour through mechanisms such as sanctions, without informing the claimant that that is what they are agreeing to sign.

    Hart believes the judge’s conclusions could mean that every one of the millions of jobseeker’s agreements that have been signed could also be ruled unlawful.

    The judge has now asked DWP to explain how the system allows a decision-maker to consider the disability-related aspects of a jobseeker’s agreement.

    Hart said the judge’s conclusion was “monumental”, and could – if confirmed in his final judgment – render the jobseeker’s agreement “unlawful”, and affect “every person who is on that contract and every person who has been on that contract”.

    • Those jobseeker’s agreements were never legal contracts in the first place as they were contracted by coercion.

      An issue is also are JCP and work coach kapos competent enough in law to act as contentious agents of the secretary of state for work and pensions in administrating what are complex conditionality contracts between the secretary of state and individual claimants.

    • Excellent news.

      #At some level# I kind of always knew or at least could not see how this could not be legal/legitimate. It just goes against everything about how our society usually works, that it can not be ‘right’ – on so many levels.

      – A JCP- ‘Adviser’ comes up with a fairly random set of strictures which the unemployed person must then agree to On Pain Of Death – or at least, potential destitution. And then, soleley on their not having been deemed – in the view of two persons – to not have stuck strictly enough to these on any one occsaion – and not giving “good enough” reasons why not – then sa(i)d ‘adviser’ suddenly has the authority to rule that money can be – very routinely is – withdrawn (the whole amount – not a proportion of it, even).

      I’ve been first nonplussed and then (of course) incensed that this can be happening in the way it is – like so many others – but more than that, it’s always been difficult to comprehend and accept – not just morally and ethically – but literally. How this can have become a legal, everday likely event for a high proportion of unemployed people who are already being forced to try to manage on pitifully small amounts of money? The amounts are pitiful – not the people – who have to accept this insult and the constant threat behind it – that payments could be removed at any time – not for some heinous act of criminality – but just for the ‘crime’ of being a human being who is not in paid work. For 18 months I lived with this threat and met and read about people for whom it had become a reality. I had at least 2 ‘near misses’ – that I am aware of – and a protracted and ongoing ‘fight’ against the mores of the uj sanctioning machine. On the plus-side, there are The Void and the IWW and very largely due to some of the amazing people on here, neither the JCP- , nor the work programme did not ‘get’ me in the way that they almost certainly would have otherwise.

      It would be so amazing if this were upheld to the point where monies had to be returned having been found to have been illegally taken – which is surely what has happened. IDS must be thinking about his next piece of retroactive legislation meanwhile, at IDS Towers, in one of their several(untaxed) bedrooms, with the heating turned up. Really hoping this is another Cait Reilly vs IDS moment – only more so.

  28. Make JCP work coaches personally sign off every conditionality action in letter form. Caution them that at a future date they maybe personally accountable and may even face the risk of criminal prosecution – the Human Trafficking of vulnerable people for profit within the UK, from the DWP/JCP to WORKFARE PROVIDER to PLACE OF LABOUR.

  29. Bear in mind that Universal Jobmatch is run by Monster, a US outfit. So of course is Maximus. In other words both outfits are subject to the US Patriot Act which means that the details of UK citizens held by Monster and Maximus become the property of the US government. The US has long held the opinion that US law usurps the those of other nations.

  30. jsa to uc 4/5 week wait for any money
    is the same as a four week sanction
    (save a week).
    at least the meagre hardship payment
    with a sanction is not a loan (yet)…
    mind boggles..4/5 weeks starving..
    pay bills..4 weeks bills…
    on and on and on. i asked the
    advisoe about this and she said
    well..people in work have to do it
    …as if that made it ok.

    • overburdenddonkey

      we are expected to go into stasis as is normal for the poor… from a packed phone box in dunfermline the libdems conference sent this message “The SNP must stop manoeuvring for a second independence referendum “that implies people were too stupid to get the answer right the first time,” according to Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael”. this message was relayed to 12000 people today @ the scottish hydro
      actually libdems IT’S THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND WHO ARE DEMANDING CHANGE AND ANOTHER INDYSCOT REF…we demand politics does what it is supposed to do and serve the people and not the politicians….

      • Mr Carmichael, “dangerous and divisive”

        The intransigent of the political stalemate is divisive and dangerous, the illiberal failure of all the political class has been not to recognise that the agenda has moved from the consensus of politics for dummies to the profound constitutional politics of the individual and how that is rehearsed in political associations.

        The tyranny of intransigence is dangerous and divisive.

  31. good to see the students galvanized
    and aiming their disgust and fury
    at places like tory toff hq..dawning
    on them that the horizon is bleak
    debt ridden hellhole blindworm cycle
    of forced unpaid labour or povertypay.
    they instinctively know that peace
    full polite marches dont get
    even noticed and they also know
    the true colour of most politiciancs.
    ” lying comes as natural to a
    politician as breathing and just
    as necessary for their survival ”


  32. Has anyone on here received the MF47 form that has the ten questions on the back that have to be answered. Some said on here that you don’t have to include transaction details with your bank account details but question 6a does mention transaction/bank statements. On the fron of the form it says that any doubt can lead to suspending or closing a claim to benefit. As we all know they are quick to create a doubt and then it would take a few weeks to get it sorted out. If I don’t offer up transactions with my bank statement it might give them a reason to raise a doubt even though my statement shows that the money paid in equates to the JSA total for the period. I don’t like the idea of letting them have access to my account details but should I stand my ground or give in to them to avoid hassle.
    I have noticed that many council websites are insisting on transaction details for bank accounts for the last couple of months when dealing with housing benefit so maybe JSA claimants in the future will have to offer up all details for any benefit in the future.
    I have had my share of confrontations at the jobcentre over the years and whenever you stand up for yourself you create another enemy who will look forward to any chance they have of causing you grief. As one of the managers at the jobcentre tried to get my money stopped by breaking the rules many years ago when she was a client advisor I have to tread carefully. It wouldn’t surprise me if I am on a list of people to cause trouble for.

    • Fuck the jobcentre

      This is the form that asks if “you have online access”. What the fuck business of the jobcentre is it? Or is this just a question to trip claimants up. If you are lying about online access, what else are you lying about. And if you can afford online access you must be up to know good. It’s not like online access is essential for an effective jobsearch is it?

  33. say that you don’t receive any paper bank statements and that it will cost 25 quid for a copy from ur bank and then blank out anything you dont want them to see.

    tho they will not pay for it anyway 😉

  34. OT.

    Missed this one….HOW DID THAT HAPPEN!.

    12 August 2014

    “Nice work: G4S wins $118 million Guantánamo contract”

    (I have changed my e-mail).

  35. Rob – If you have received an actual form to fill in I would fill it in and give them the info they ask for – if you say you don’t have paper bank statements they may ask you to print them off from the internet and then they will catch you in a lie. If you blank out sections of it it will defeat the purpose of them asking for it, and make them even more suspicious. If as you say your bank statements clearly show everything in order then it is best to just send them to them. “Standing your ground” in this matter would be in my opinion a pointless exercise which you would very quickly regret.

    • PS – Don’t send them originals just photocopies, and if you want to be sure that they will not deny that they have received the form then you could send it using the same envelope that they sent you but by first class “signed for” delivery

    • i recently applied for hardship payments and after 3 rejections on the 4th application i submitted a printout from my online banking (with fake transactions that i had added and amended) they accepted this.

  36. weekly attendance now at the jobcentre.sign on one week,see advisor the next week.

  37. “What our welfare state was based on was that you pay into the system, you contribute to the system, before you’re able to draw down on benefits.”

    Rachel Reeves confuses the welfare state with the principles of the Coca-Cola dispensing system that she encountered at LSE.

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  39. rachel reeves has a scary aoutomaton voice very unsettling,i can imagine her doing WCA for maximus…for fun and a bit of a laugh

    • Doesn’t Rachel Reeves voice the Daleks in Doctor Who?

    • She sounds like a Satnav that doesn’t know where it’s going.

    • overburdenddonkey

      she recently and very wrongly claims that the benefits system was set up on the basis that one must 1st pay in before one receives support from benefits…
      on another note this is the vow from the massive RIC conference last w/e in glasgow…

      • The Scottish Trade Union Congress (STUC), the Poverty Alliannce and the Scottish Council of Voluntary Organisations (SCVO) are among more than 60 third sector Organisations calling on the Smith Commission to devolve welfare …

        Any devolved Scottish welfare provisions must remain within the administrative control of a Scottish minister and a civil service staffed department other wise that welfare budget risks being plundered by local councils and the unaccountable Scottish third sector.

        • overburdenddonkey

          mr r
          i totally agree..charities etc must not be allowed to become dispensers of welfare all must have access to welfare dispensed by the state, based on need, and not based on ability to claim…

          • overburdenddonkey,

            There is already welfare misallocation in Scotland where government social funds are dispensed to privileged groups or to a client base.

            To claim for white goods a claimant needs the endorsement of a third sector lifestyle guru or have the attributes of an exploitable and powerless client.

            Will the apparatchiks of localism and the third sector aristocrats assassinate Scottish Nationalism? Nicola needs to play an astute game in her own backyard.

  40. Hi Fellow JCP sufferer,
    I was given the mf47 form by hand when I completed my fortnightly signing and told to bring it completed when I attend for the appointment. I will have to attend this week and see what happens. I will offer up the front part of my statement and see if they mention transaction details. We know they have targets for sanctions and I will have to be ready to respond to any negative statements they make.
    The real problem is that they can immediately suspend benefit payments even if you are totally innocent and then we have to suffer weeks without full benefit until some decision maker decides to overturn the suspension. They can put people through hardship and abuse their authority without fear of losing pay or their job.

  41. DWP Compliance Officer Gets Owned and Angry When Confronted with the Law
    rob – I’ve been reading some of your earlier comments on this post and it sounds as if you’ve had the same experience or similar to Darren Harper’s , with the DWP turning up unannounced at his home to inspect his bank statements etc., the difference being that you were actually out or unavailable to answer the door when they came to you.
    The woman claimed she was not from the Jobcentre, but then she said in a later phone call with him, also posted on youtube that he could bring his bank statements to the jobcentre and she would meet with him then.
    They lie and lie again in order to sanction people, and as you say, people often have no warning that they are to be sanctioned. Hope you get on ok at your jobcentreminus appointment.

  42. Hi Fellow JCP sufferer,
    Thanks for your comments, I am going to turn up at the jobcentre, stay calm and polite but respond to any negative comments without becoming hostile. I think the person who knocked on my door must have been from the jobcentre as I don’t owe anyone any money and all my friends contact me via phone,text or email or would just shout through the letterbox. I doubt anyone trying to sell something to me would only knock my door and repeatedly come back during day time. They wouldn’t know that I was unemployed and might be home and would probably think I was working and wouldn’t be in.
    I was told of at least five visits and in fact on another two occasions I heard a car pull up and moments later someone banging on my front door in a way that sounded official. I didn’t answer on those two occasions and expected a card but nothing left and I probably won’t answer if it happens again. I like the idea of wasting their time.
    I will put on here what happens at my appointment.

  43. Public Service Not Slavery

    Decent Public Services Now

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