Mass Workfare Begins Next Monday … Or Does It?

bhf-workfareWith less than one week to go until the launch date of the DWP’s woefully misnamed ‘Help To Work’ and details of the programme are still shrouded in secrecy.

‘Help To Work’ is the mass workfare scheme announced by George Osborne at last year’s Tory Party conference.  Those leaving the Work Programme without a job – which is almost everyone – will either have to sign on every day or be forced to work for no pay for a ‘community’ organisation for six months.  The whole package is expected to cost almost a third of a billion, with most of that money lining the pockets of private sector profiteers running the scheme.

The problem is no-one knows who those providers are yet, including the DWP themselves.  A response to a Freedom of Information request dated  April 10th said that the tender for ‘Help To Work’ was still ongoing.  The DWP have also said that the guidance for companies running the scheme will not be published until the launch date, 28th April.

What we do know is that Help To Work is already mired in chaos.  Several high profile volunteer’s organisations have condemned the plans whilst three of the largest supporters of other workfare schemes have said they will not accept placements.  Both The Conservation Volunteers and The Salvation Army were expected to bid for Help To Work contracts or sub-contracts, and neither of them have.  YMCA have also said they will not accept placements on the scheme, whilst even workfare quango Groundwork are wobbling.

This is more than just an embarrassment for Help To Work, it is a fucking disaster and one was that was entirely predictable.  For years workfare programmes have come close to collapse due to a lack of available work placements.  Despite what politicians would like to think, the charitable sector has no need for hundreds of thousands of forced workers.  The truth is that there isn’t enough workfare to go round for everyone on benefits, let alone real, paid work.  The Community Action Programme pilot –  a similar workfare scheme to Help To Work –  found that placements could only be found for 63% of participants.  This took place before scores of charities distanced themselves from workfare due to huge pressure from their supporters who turned out to be disgusted that these organisations used unpaid forced labour.

Help To Work is not the only DWP scheme that looks to be in trouble.  Remember Iain Duncan Smith’s plan to warehouse unemployed people for six months at a time on full time job search?  No?  Well it seems neither does he. There has been no sign at all of this scheme, which was also announced at the Tory Party Conference.

It will the the demise of Help To Work which will be the biggest embarrassment to this Government however.  This is their latest big idea to fix unemployment after the disaster that has been the Work Programme.  It already appears to be yet another shambles.  Whatever is announced next Monday – if anything at all – the Help To Work scheme is unworkable.

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224 responses to “Mass Workfare Begins Next Monday … Or Does It?

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      “WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES BUT THIS IS NO MISTAKE, JUST PART OF THE ESCALATING DEATH TOLL OF THE GOVERNMENT BACKED KILLING POLICY OF THE DWP”

      Linda Wootton, 49 years old died just nine days after the government found her fit for work.

      Elenore Tatton, 39 years old died just weeks after the government found her fit for work.

      John Walker, 57, saddled with debt because of the bedroom tax. He took his own life.

      Brian McCardle, 57 years old, suffered a fatal heart attack the day after his disability benefits were stopped.

      Stephen Hill, 53, died of a heart attack one month after being found fit for work even though he was waiting for major heart surgery.

      David Groves, 56, died of a heart attack the night before taking his work capability assessment. His widow said it was the stress that killed him.

      Nicholas Peter Barker, 51, shot himself after being told his benefits were being stopped. He was unable to work after a brain haemorrhage left him paralysed down one side.

      Mark and Helen Mullins, 48 and 59 years old, forced to live on £57.50 a week and make 12 mile trips each week to get free vegetables to make soup. They committed suicide.

      Richard Sanderson, 44, unable to find a job and with his housing benefit cut forcing him to move, but with nowhere to go, he committed suicide.

      Martin Rust, 36 years old. A schizophrenic man who killed himself two months after the government found him fit to work.

      Craig Monk, 43, a vulnerable gentleman and a partial amputee slipped so far into poverty he hanged himself.
      Colin Traynor, 29, who suffered from epilepsy, stripped of his benefits he appealed. Five weeks after his death his family found he had won his appeal.

      Elaine Christian, 57 years old, worried about her work capability assessment, she was found at Holderness drain drowned with ten self inflicted wrist wounds.

      Christelle and Kayjah Pardoe, 32 years and 5 month old. Pregnant, her benefits stopped, Christelle, clutching her baby son jumped from a third floor balcony.

      Mark Scott, 46. His DLA and housing benefit had been stopped. Sinking into deep depression, he died six weeks later.

      Cecilia Burns, 51, found fit for work while undergoing treatment for breast cancer. She died just a few weeks after she won her appeal.

      Chris Cann, 57 years old, found dead in his house just months after being told he had to undergo a medical assessment to prove he could not work.

      Peter Hodgson, 49, called to JCP to see if he was suitable for volunteer work. He had suffered a stroke, a brain haemorrhage and had a fused leg. His appointment letter arrived a few days after he took his life.

      Paul Willcoxsin, 33 years old, with mental health problems and worried about government cuts, he hung himself.

      Stephanie Bottrill, 53. After paying £80 a month for bedroom tax Stephanie could not afford heating in the winter, and lived on tinned custard. She chose to walk in front of a lorry.

      Larry Newman had a degenerative lung condition. His weight had dropped from 10 to 7 stone. Atos awarded him zero points, he died just three months after submitting his appeal.

      Paul Turner, 52 years old. After suffering a heart attack he was ordered to find a job in February. In April he died from ischaemic heart disease.

      Christopher Charles Harkness, 39. After finding out that the funding for his care home was being withdrawn, this man with mental health issues took his own life.

      Sandra Louise Moon, 57, suffering from a degenerative back condition and depression worried about losing her incapacity benefit, Sandra overdosed.

      Lee Robinson 39 years old took his own life after his housing benefit and council tax were taken away.

      ………………………………

      THE REST OF THE LIST IS BEING WITHHELD FROM PUBLIC SCRUTINY BY THE DWP AND THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION COMMISSIONER.

      “IT IS NEITHER AN EMBARRASSMENT NOR A SHAME TO THE PEOPLE IN POWER”

      YOU, THE PUBLIC, ARE A PRICE WORTH PAYING TO KOWTOW TO THE MULTINATIONALS WHO PULL THE STRINGS OF POWER THROUGH CORRUPT POLITICIANS……….

      • GEOFF REYNOLDS

        “THE QUEEN IS IN HER COUNTING HOUSE,
        COUNTING ALL HER MONEY,
        EVICTION ORDERS JUST SENT OUT, SHE PROBABLY THINKS ITS FUNNY”

        SO THE CROWN ESTATE HAS DECIDED TO SELL OFF TWO HUNDRED OF ITS HOUSING STOCK THAT THE PAUPERS RESIDED IN.

        GOOD TIMING REALLY, THE HOUSING MARKET BOOMING LIKE IT IS DUE TO HER HELPING PROPEL THE MARKETS IN SEARCH OF MORE OBSCENE WEALTH…………

        WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, SHE SNORTED AS SHE LIFTED THE ERMINE COVERED TOOTHPICK TO HER FAT LIPS TO DISLODGE THE TRAPPED VENISON ANTLER, FIRMLY STUCK BETWEEN HER ROYAL MOLARS…………………….

        APPARENTLY THE DAUGHTER OF ONE OF THE FAMILIES FACING EVICTION HAS SENT HER MAJ A HEARTSENT PLEA FOR CLEMENCY, WONDERING WHERE IT WILL PUT HER FAMILY WHEN THEY ARE FORCED TO FLIT……………

        SHE AIN’T BOTHERED ONE IOTA MY DEAR, SHE IS THE SAME GORMLESS PRAT THAT PUT HER MONICKER ON THE WELFARE REFORM ACT, THE ACT THAT HAS CAUSED UMPTEEN THOUSAND OF HER LOWLY SUBJECTS BE BURIED OR CREMATED…………

        WHEN YOU SIT IN YOUR IVORY TOWER AT THE TOP OF A HILL, THE BIGGEST ABUSER OF STATE BENEFITS EVER SEEN, YOU DON’T GIVE TWO FUCKS ABOUT THOSE AT THE BOTTOM!

        THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE ROYAL COUPLE, BALDY AND BEANPOLE, IN FRONT OF AYERS ROCK, SMILING FOR THE CAMERAS, MADE ME FEEL LIKE PUKING……………..

        “LET THEM EAT CAKE”, COMES TO MIND………………

        THESE FUCKERS ON A JAMBOREE WHILST THE COMMONERS ARE OUT ON THE STREETS BEGGING FOR SHELTER, STARVING, LIVING ON HANDOUTS AND FOOD PARCELS………..

        SHAME HAS NO BOUNDARIES FOR THE UPPER CLASSES AS THEY PUSH THEIR ILL GOTTEN OPULENCE DERIVED FROM PIRATE THEFTS, FIRMLY IN YOUR FACE.

        GOD SAVE OUR NOBLE QUEEN, I DON’T THINK SO…………………..

        WHEN YOU ARE DOWN AND OUT WITH YOUR RIBS ACHING FOR THE NEXT MEAL, ANYTHING GOES…………….

        ………SPIT ROAST CORGI ANYONE?

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      Anyone who read the article in the Daily Mirror today concerning the couple who had their human rights acknowledged, leading to the lifting of bedroom tax on their home, should see a faint light at the end of the tunnel…………………

      The couple were blocked at every turn until they took their case to the civil court.

      I have noticed that when i have applied to go to a higher tribunal using the EQUALITY/HUMAN RIGHTS ARTICLES appertaining to protected status of disabled persons, i have had my request rejected.
      Even when i mentioned it during tribunal, i was ridiculed.

      It seems that a civil action recognises a persons disability protection, whereas anything to do with an appeal is readily rebuffed.
      In other words the whole appeal process is just a sham with a predetermined decision made, probably before you even set foot in the room…..

      Ask yourself, why is it that a doctor, who is probably not proficient in your kind of disability, is advising a magistrate, having no medical knowledge, to make a decision that will affect your welfare?

      Couple that with the thought that they are basing their limited evidence on the back of a charlatan, a HCP, who has even less knowledge than the doctor?

      Apply this synopsis to the fact that the HCP and DWP have colluded to furnish you with a not fit for purpose, bogus medical report and we have the makings of an incredible disability denial suite against our government………………

      It would not be hard to get the ball rolling………..

      There were plenty of takers from the law firms when the miners had claims, BUT WHO IS BOLD ENOUGH TO PICK UP THE GAUNTLET NOW?

      OR IS IT THE FACT THAT THE JUICY LEGAL AID PROVISION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN?
      Reply

  1. CWP, for the last Month my “Adviser”s has pulled it like a knife,my reply has been “Bring it on” When can I expect to start? What will I be doing? Will safety gear be provided if needed? Will the proper Liability Insurance be in place(as I am not an Employee) Will all Health and Safety rules be followed? Will their be First Responders? What transport is available? and so on. All of a sudden no response other than “We are rolling it out” What at the same speed as PWPS?

  2. Help to Work will most likely devolve into a mass daily-signing ritual for Work Programme leavers, until it becomes obvious jobcentres will not be able to cope with the thousands of unemployed being forced through their doors. Then the whole sorry mess will be quietly shelved to make way for the next genius idea from IDS or Gideon. Then the whole rigmarole starts all over again…

  3. Landless Peasant

    hahaha what a bunch of useless wankers. Fuck you Osborne.

  4. Reblogged this on nihalisticblog and commented:
    Help to work my arse as Jim would say….

  5. You cannot sanction, scare, or bully people into jobs that do not exist for employers who do not want them. The government already knows that workfare has NEVER worked anywhere on earth; the purpose of Help-to-Work was never to get the long-term unemployed into gainful work but to allow the Tories to be seen, once again, to be sticking it good and proper to the long-term unemployed. A Daily Mail wet dream. So I suppose we’ll all be traipsing to the Jobcentre five days a week then. Hopefully I can use the Jobcentre’s equipment and facilities to do my jobsearch while I’m visiting them to present myself like a prisoner to the police after being recently released from prison. Fucking hell! That life in Britain should have come to this.

    • Traipsing? Those £uckers will be paying £20-25 pw Bus Fare…Times how many? They won’t issue one for a Job interview though…..Priceless!

  6. JCP Advisers are cunts

    After 6 months of non stop post WP hassle by some power tripping cunt, I’ve now been signing on in the space of 2 minutes. Maybe the lull before the storm!

    • JCP advisers are fucking cunts

      The six months hassle would be MIR (Mandatory Intervention Regime). I got sanctioned 6 fucking times on that shit.

  7. Spanner in the Works

    There are ways to fuck up the the people that take advantage of those forced onto workfare!!! I will be doing it with gusto.

  8. Iain Duncan Smith MP

    My Dear Friends

    As John F. Kennedy once said: “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” Our work experience programmes are an opportunity for you to put something back rather than take something out. Grab that opportunity with both of your unwashed hands!

    We are working for you.

    Iain

    • Ban this CUNT!!

      Seriously, Johnny, the Secretary of State of Work and Pensions should be fucking BANNED from posting on this blog. I am sure I am not the only Void reader sick to the back teeth of this low-life cunt’s vile rants!

    • Mr Smith must not forget that working for us you pick up a vast amount of public money in contrast so far you have worked against the people and you know this will haunt you till the day is over for you ! You made a name for you but then what good is that name which makes you look behind your back all the time ! Britain will not forgive you and you know that ! So good luck mein Fuhrer , beware what comes at you when you wake up from such a privileged dream you have today ! It is just a matter of time not too long now !

    • Well done Iain, well done indeed. Now sir, if you could just kindly step forward… yes, that’s right… this way… closer now… good, good, just one step closer, excellent.

      Now Iain, (can I call you Iain? Ir feels like we’ve known each other for so long now, locked together in an elaborate dance, in which the rules and steps are never explicitly stated, but instinctively known and followed) Now Ian, if you could just put your overstuffed, bulbous neck right …. here… yes that’s right, right here in the nice rope noose…. Good, you’re doing so good Iain.

      Jerk now Iain, jerk like a good lad, there you go Iain, swinging times are ahead for both of us. What’s that Iain? Sorry I can’t make that out, your face is all blue, and your eyes are bulging outward… perhaps if you were to put your tongue back into your mouth… oh sorry, you can’t!

      Well Iain, it’s been fun old son. Sorry to leave you hanging, but you know how it is, people to see, things to do. I need to see Miss McVae regarding a nice wooden, bladed contraption we’ve set up in the public square. Buckets of fun for everyone.

    • No wonder he was shot!

    • nagga munchettes knickers

      well done mr smith huurahh

  9. Another Fine mess

    Let me guess. The plan was for those doing forced mandatory voluntary work for their benefit to be counted as full time employed.

    the the last para. btw.

    • Actually, yes, as Polly Toynbee points out in the following article.

      http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/15/help-to-work-punishing-jobless

      • Polly Toynbee and reams of work and opinion, unemployed contributor to JV blog with reams of work and opinion, which one is the most productive?

        The words on this site are certainly more productive than the unproductive words of the DWP. Unemployment does not necessarily equal negative production. Un/employment and poverty should be decoupled in the welfare debate they are different issues.

        • Another Fine mess

          Unemployment does not necessarily equal negative production. Un/employment and poverty should be decoupled in the welfare debate they are different issues.
          I’d agree, about half the jobs I’ve had have been based on what I’ve done outside work or while unemployed, and none have them have been based on watching Jeremy Kyle!

    • Another Fine mess

      According to my JCP, Waste Programme returners will have to try and find their own voluntary/community work, and only if/when they fail to then they’ll be given MWA!! I know they like to count MWA as fully employed, but not the first part of the option surely.
      Of course it’s quite likely my JCP are just talking bollocks, but I suspect the real reason the JCP are wording in it that way is because they simply don’t have any ‘community work’ to give out, they’ve never managed to find enough places of ‘4 weeks worth’ for the masses of under 25s.

      • Smoke and Mirrors

        Yes, the jobcentre are doing their damnest to force me into mandatory ‘voluntary’ work under the veiled threat that if I don’t find something soon I will be put onto a mandatory scheme (CWP?). It could just be all bluff and bluster though!

        • Smoke and Mirrors

          And the first thing any volunteer organisation is going to ask is? “Why do you want to volunteer?” “Because the jobcentre is pushing me and I am worried I might be put on the CWP if I don’t find a voluntary placement”. Voluntary organisations must be getting just as pissed off with the jobcentre as the employers who are deluged with spam applications from jobseekers trying to fill their ‘quota’ of job applications in their desperation to avoid a sanction and hold onto their meagre subsistence allowance.

  10. Fucking nazi cunts.

    vote yes

  11. Nothing pleases me more than a Tory scheme going tits up.

  12. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    “i’m shakin this tree boss”…………………..

    IT WON’T BE LONG BEFORE THEY HAVE ARMED GUARDS WEARING MIRRORED SUNGLAASES, TOTING PUMP ACTION REMINGTONS, WATCHING OVER THE CHAIN GANG TOILING IN THE MIDDAY SUN……..

    THE DAYS OF COOL HAND LUKE ARE FAST APPROACHING, YET IS SLAVE LABOUR AND WHAT WILL THE EQUALITY / HUMAN RIGHTS PEOPLE THINK OF THIS?

    I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I SEE IT AS BEING TOTALLY ILLEGAL.

    ONE THINGS FOR CERTAIN, IF EVERYONE TURNED ROUND AND SAID FUCK OFF, THE ILL FATED SCHEME WOULD COLLAPSE IMMEDIATELY.

    A FEW WELL AIMED BRICKS AND SPANNERS IN THE MACHINERY WOULD BRING CHAOS……….

    PAYING PEANUTS YOU EMPLOY MONKEYS………..

    PAY FUCK ALL YOU EMPLOY ANARCHISTS……..

  13. Seetec are already recruiting staff: “own vehicle and full business insurance required” WTF!!!!!!

    They’re also advertising for Work Placement Coordinators as well, paying a lousy £19000 – £21000/annum. As far as job descriptions go, I’ve never read such bollocks before in my life. It’s hardly worth getting out of bed for, considering all the crap they’re going to have to put up with.

    SEETEC (cv-library.co.uk)

    Job Coach

    £19000 – £22500/annum

    The Role
    Due to our ongoing success we are seeking driven and passionate individuals across Essex, Suffolk and Norfolk to join our busy teams working hard to help the long term unemployed attain meaningful engagement opportunities. We are seeking talented individuals who enjoy a target driven environment and are looking for an opportunity to help make a difference in people’s lives by assisting them to develop a personalised action plan, incorporating short and long term employment goals. You will proactively support customers into employment by:- * Carrying out initial assessment on your customer caseload to enable the creation of personal action plans. * Conducting engagement and induction meetings * Running Job Search Session and Group workshops to enable individuals to develop skills to find suitable employment. * Carrying out reviews and monitor activity, provide customer support and assistance that progresses them through the programme and into work. * Producing and maintain a customer portfolio * Ensuring systems, procedures and compliance of the programme standards are met. * Addressing issues which impact on customers ability to work and continued progress into work. * Undertaking activities to find customers employment and placed into work.

    Skills and Experience
    Ability to demonstrate Seetec’s values. *Positive, enthusiastic approach to problem solving with a “can do” attitude. Target & results driven individual. *Ability to negotiate and influence outcomes. *Demonstrate a genuine commitment to the personal and occupational success of the long term unemployed. *Excellent verbal and written communication skills. Excellent all round IT skills

    Additional Info
    Salary up to £22.5K Closing Date 6 May 2014 Full driving licence, own vehicle and full business insurance required. Seetec is an equal opportunities employer and positively encourages applications from suitably qualified and eligible candidates regardless of sex, race, disability, age, sexual orientation, gender reassignment, religion or belief, marital status, or pregnancy and maternity.

    About Us
    With 30 years’ experience, Seetec are one of the UK’s largest and most experienced providers of Government funded employability and skills training programmes. We are passionately committed to empowering individuals and organisations to release their potential through our employment and training programmes and our software solutions. Seetec help thousands of people each year to achieve and sustain their aspirations for lasting employment, due to the passion and motivation of our employees. In return, our employees are rewarded with a competitive salary and benefits package, along with the satisfaction that their work has made a difference to our clients’ lives.

    • Another Fine mess

      I’ve applied, and as I’m the only one, I’ll be starting on Monday. Wish me luck!

    • Ivor the Engine

      Salaries are falling throw the floor in the welfare-to-work/fare/house industry🙂 The gravy train has hit the buffers.🙂

      • Ingeus are a waste of space

        I am ashamed to admit but I actually know someone who worked for those scum cunts Ignoramus… she is now a holiday rep lol🙂 And when she was working there she didn’t give a fuck about the clients, all she was doing it for was for clothes, nights out, booze, the usual shit. This is the sort of people they employ. We had a lover’s tiff while on holiday in France too lol Think she might have been a bit distracted when we went back to work lol And she was half-drunk half the time, don’t think she ever sobered up properly. Used to live on a diet of kiwi fruit, thinking it made her slim lol Dozy cow even managed to crash her car – almost got killed. She made some ££ while she lasted which wasn’t long lol Anyway, the past is the past. I love you Lauren lol🙂

  14. “…the biggest embarrassment to this Government however.”

    The DWP has been brought into disrepute that is more than an embarrassment it is a public health and national security issue – a government ministry in total chaos, confusion and structural collapse.

    Government ministries are not the whimsical playthings of inept and vengeful Cabinet ministers.

    • If, your made to sign on daily. Does that mean you could sign on everyday for 6 months ??

      • Yes. Even on a Sunday, so no sneaking off to Church for their Sunday Mass as this will be an automatic sanction for failing to attend your JCP signing-on appointment just because Mass starts at 10:00am, the same time as when the JCP call you in.

  15. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

    IDS is barmy, welfare encourages self employed.

    • Another Fine mess

      Iain Duncan Smith hails Britain’s ‘entrepreneurial spirit’ after Bank of England suggests welfare reforms are encouraging people to become self-employed
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10783556/Benefit-cuts-creating-new-generation-of-entrepreneurs-Bank-of-England-suggests.html

      .’entrepreneurial spirit’ LOL more like ZHCs and tax credits!

      • Will IDS next send those found to not be evidencing the ‘right’ entrepreneurial wish to become ‘self-employed’ to mandatorily volunteer at their nearest foodbank? That would be a win/win – involving avoiding paying benefits with ‘volunteers’ being ‘paid’ in kind. A 3-day ration of tinned and packet foods will be meant to make one weak … Also this would cut out the middle men (shops/jcp-) and ensure that foodbanks remain up and running, and over time would help with trimming the unemployed(s) figures and unemployment would become a thing of the [value] past(a).

        • //unemployment would become a thing of the [value] past(a)//

          Success comes in ‘cans’.

          Donated cans of horsemeatballs.

        • Why not force the long-term unemployed who refuse to become self-employed to do workfare placements under the long-term unemployed who agree to become self-employed to give the recently self-employed an inexhaustible supply of free, unpaid labour with no worker’s rights to help them get their businesses off the ground?

          This could be a winner!

          • What if small groups of ‘self-employed/volunteers’ could somehow stymie jcp via co-operatives offering updates on/support with for managing to survive the socialsecuritysystem@presentday. Perhaps incorporating some kind of alternative ‘foodbank’ (with parmesan). In every town and city – run by the unemployed/others who feel strongly enough to give their support … Somewhere to go as an antidote to jcp- and that could fulfil the volunteering/being self-employed criteria (a campaigns office/sanctuary). Rents/space could be a difficulty; meanwhile,

            There is a food bin (far away),
            Inside an office hall;
            It stands unnoticed and forlorn,
            And makes the place look untidy.

            this specific food wheelie bin is not being patronised … hopefully no-one is looking at the cctv footage, but on 2 or 3 consecutive occasions (over 3/4 weeks) when I’ve had to be into this building – it’s not a huge building to be fair – i looked inside & this bin is always empty. It seems incongruous somehow (is in a carpeted entrance, with smoked glass and mirrors all around so somehow less of a surprise seeing nothing at all in it), not a bag of value pasta or a tin of beans – unlike say, at supermarkets/other public places’ collections … even so … what’s going on? Compassion fatigue? Poor ‘marketing’??

  16. Aaah, THAT`S why everybody signing-on today (inc.me) was given an appointment for next week. No mention of why, though. Back on regular signing for last 2 months after 2 years on Bootstrap then the PostWorkProgrammeService (aka the Hit Squad). Intimidatory statements by JCP advisers during PWPS period incd.:
    “You`ll be made to look for work FOR 35hrs/wk” (er, no, it`s OF 35/hrs…)
    “Up to 31 actions/wk to be recorded on UJM Activity History” (already feel criminalized by daily UJM record-keeping = reporting for bail conditions)
    “You can be sanctioned for up to 3 years” (but no explanation of HOW this could come about)
    “You`ll have to get the Internet” (my reply,”Hmm-entering into a contract with a commercial company-sounds like repeat ongoing personal debt [advisers are not allowed to suggest you get into ANY form of personal debt] to me…is that what you`re telling me?”, adviser`s response:none)
    FYI, typing this on friends` loaned NetBook & via neighbour`s WiFi which she kindly gave me access password to. Result:filling in Activity History daily…& finding VERY interesting sites/pages like yourself that cut through the official bulls***. Keep it up!

    • Surely they cannot make you get and pay for your own internet access or use Universal Jobmatch unless you do so from a Jobcentre internet access device? (How the heck can the Jobcentre force you to pay for the internet or telephone out of your Jobseeker’s Allowance, which is supposed to be used to pay for food etc?) Also as far as I know you cannot be forced to log your jobseeking activities on Universal Jobmatch and can present them in written form on paper.

      Isn’t this right? Can somebody confirm please?

      • They told me to buy a mobile phone!! :”What do you think your jobseeker’s allowance is for?”

        • btw I told them to get lost! There is no way they can order you to spend you subsistence allowance on luxury, unnecessary and expensive items as mobile phones! And how could anyone afford to pay for internet access and buy a computer on a giro?

          • This is a comment on intensiveactivity from NEVER trust the Jobcentre
            :

            “I overheard someone today saying: “You are under no obligation to answer a withheld number, it is a private number”, I was wondering what they were talking about until they said: “The jobcentre have no right to sanction you for not answering a withheld number.” One reason you should NEVER give the fuckers your ‘phone number!”

      • Claiming JSA or any other state benefit is definitely not dependent on ownership or access to a phone or the internet. Nowhere in any of their regulations does it state that you must have either because, if it did, provision for their cost would have to be specifically made in the legislation setting the rate of payment. The only computer you can be forced to use is the one in the Job Centre (and there’s currently an FOI request to see if they have keylogging software)

      • overburdenddonkey

        bandy
        see link on your rights on creating UJM a/c…. http://www.edinburghagainstpoverty.org.uk/node/105

  17. Reblogged this on Beastrabban’s Weblog.

  18. Its totally hypercritical to make people work for the pittance welfare payments and at the same time have a minimum wage law ????? obviously this system has been dreamt up by a psychotic and deeply twisted mind that likes to be nasty to others,,,,,,,
    The way forward is to go on the work program then take them to court for the rest of the wages , as actually happens In the real world .

  19. Here we go again! More shit from the DWP at the same time the ‘independent’ Bank of England appears to praise IDS for his ‘enabling’ of people to become self-employed. They all believe this guff without once questioning the validity of the present government and the DWP in particular to present anything other than ideologically based CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!! Meanwhile, people are still go hungry, people are still losing their homes, people are dying – we should burn their fucking houses down

  20. fuck ids past caringnot arsed no more

    my jsa adviser deliberately tried to trip me up for Illegal sanction yesterday the nazi bastard!! not even had my first payment off em yet as it’s a brand new claim, i will only get the one giro off them, then go straight back on esa!! then when that french firm who avoid paying uk tax atos medical looms i close the esa and reclaim jsa and repeat the process, this does two things hits the cunts in the pocket, more than it would to just pay me what am entitled to, and secondly helps me look for work in a far better and more efficient way, that it does being dictated on what to do. it’s the only way i can look for work,i cant look for work with no money. and will never ever ever have nothing to do with ujm site never!!! that is asanction machine!!

  21. End Unpaid Work

    Workfare is toxic!! No half self-respecting, decent ’employer’ will touch these schemes with a bargepole. And for those of them who might be tempted the potential for damage to reputation and/or profits far out-ways any ‘benefit’ from ‘free’ labour.

  22. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    MARVELOUS HOW THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE IS ABLE TO SPOT MISTAKES MADE BY THE HOME OFFICE IN THE THE WAY MIGRANTS HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED SHODDY HOUSING, YET AT THE SAME TIME TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE DISABLED LEFT TO FEND WITHOUT ADEQUATE NEEDS AFTER BENEFITS HAVE BEEN DISALLOWED………………….

    MIGRANTS HAVE A MORE SENIOR STATUS THAN THOSE WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE……………

    I AM NOT BIASED IN ANY WAY, BUT PROVISION FOR ALL SHOULD BE EQUAL, ANYTHING ELSE IS AN INSULT, YET THE INSULTS COME THICK AND FAST…..

  23. LET BORIS JOHNSON KNOW THAT IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN 3 FRENCH RECONDITIONED WATER CANNONS TO EXTINGUISH THE ANGER OF THOSE OUTSIDE HIS GATED METROPOLIS, LONDON…………

    anger leads to hate and hate turns to violence and those responsible will see the wrath of the people, including the Queen……………….

  24. Clive Baulch, People Before Profit

    … And this year the Civil Service has to cut over 100,000 jobs. The Job Centres have to provide 30,000 0f these, about 40% of their existing number. So having daily signings of over 300,000 claimants will completely clog up the system and so will quickly be scrapped.

  25. I just finished the work programme, and I have just started some volunteer work in photography, an area I have qualifications and experience in. Will JCP try to make me stop my volunteering in order to do this mass workfare? as I believe I’ll get more out of the volunteer work than either the work programme or this “help to work”.

    IDS is an out of touch douchebag who needs his face kicked in! and so do the rest of those tories.

    • They might. The Cate Reilly case was about this very thing: a young lady interested in curatorial work was volunteering to help out at a museum and was stopped by her Jobcentre who tried to force her to do a couple of week unpaid work for Poundland. The case was dragged through the courts and Ms Reilly eventually won.

      • How can you call it a win to be allowed to do unpaid voluntary work?

        Cait Reilly actually took a paid job in a supermarket after the case and did not go back to her voluntary work.

  26. Another Fine mess

    Claiming JSA on Ester McVile’s patch.
    She delivered her sermon with the well-meaning manner of a Soviet Commissar…
    But my JCP Commissar had the writing skills of a 10-year-old; incorrect use and non-use of capital letters, misplaced apostrophes etc.

    http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/yoursay/wirralletters/11162963.Jobcentre_staff_are_pushing_water_uphill_without_a_squeegee

    • Another Fine mess

      Very interesting.
      Especially the bit where they’re going to mandate JSAs into having a public CV on UJM from 28th April, where any r sole can pretend to be an employer. It’s only a matter of time before a vunerable person gets attacked/murdered somewhere.

      • JC Staff are SCUM!!

        “Advisers have now been re-branded as “Work Coaches”” “Advisers” should be fucking branded! Period.

        • JC Staff are SCUM!!

          PCS believes that SR13 and HtW are not intended to offer further help to claimants, as the introduction of further mandation and attendance is clearly aimed at trying to set claimants up to fail. It is part of the politically motivated agenda the Government has of vilifying benefit claimants, rather than offering
          genuinely tailored support. The DWP received criticism from the Select Committee in January over their off-flow target based approach, however, these new measures are politically driven policy which civil servants have been instructed to implement. [We were only following orders🙂 ]

      • How can you be mandated to put your personal details into the public arena where goodness knows who can get hold of it? For example suppose you are a battered wife who has escaped from an abusive husband who you don’t want to find you? And what about unscrupulous companies or even criminals(!) going on data harvesting expeditions, fishing for data to use in scam and/or spam attacks later? It seems wrong to me that anybody can be mandated to put their name, address, telephone number, educational background, work history, hobbies and interests etc., for public viewing on a site like Universal Jobmatch which the world and his wife knows is riddled with tricksters and thieves.

        Is this move actually legal?

        • Another Fine mess

          Well if I’m asked/mandated to by one of the commandants, I’ll ask for it in writing and then I’ll certainly be writing to, or seeing some MPs.

  27. Tey will never release the death figures that they are presently fighting tooth and nail to hold back. They know they are both damning and devastating.

    I saw a list somewhere the other day of some of the victims and what happened. One girl threw herself off the roof of a shop with a baby in her arms. One person was living on tinned custard as their only nourishment. Another person chucked themselves in front of a lorry on the Motorway.

    The scandal that is going on in this country and that they’re trying to airbrush out of the news is a thing never seen in this country before. The murder of thousands is being ignored and downplayed as they boast about GDP output and growth figures.

    Here’s just a few of the victims. Multiply this by thousands and you might get nearer the picture of the true scale of this. All to steal people’s benefits.

    http://www.dorseteye.com/north/articles/just-some-of-the-victims-of-this-government-mistakenly-we-thought-that-they-were-meant-to-help-the-vulnerable-won-t-fall-for-that-again

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      “if the premier of south korea thought the negligent staff of the stricken ferry were murderers, what would he make of the killers at the helm of the DWP?

      • The guy at the Vox blog went to a thing, a hearing, to try to get the information released for 2012. The later info 2013 on isn’t covered by the FOI, why is that? So this only covers 2012 i think (see the link to the story)

        Can’t see it happening as they are, like the Nazi’s at the end of the WWII, trying desperately to cover up their crimes so that the majority of the public don’t find out the true extent of the deaths.

        If they knew what was really going on and thought to themselves “that could happen to me too if i become ill and can’t work!” then the negative publicity couldn’t be held back.

        http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2014/04/22/freedom-of-information-tribunal-on-benefit-deaths-april-23/

  28. your all fired.

  29. Mass workfare: a jolly good idea and about bloody time too!

  30. Thanks, Sarah, for clearing that up… you had me worried for a moment🙂

  31. ‘Botherability’ is that not provocation and incitement to commit a criminal offence, if the job centres are not safe for pcs members then they are not safe for claimants, is ‘Botherability’ not an obstruction to the lawfully claiming of social security?

    The DWP and pcs staff have crossed the line into criminality No ifs, No buts.

  32. I was half expecting to be told that I would soon be on some kind of workfare when I signed at the jobcentre today but instead was told that I don’t have to sign for four weeks. It appears that the jobcentre I attend will be doing some kind of training with the 18-24yr olds so I don’t have to sign in two weeks time. It’s odd that they would cancel signing for the over 25s in such a large jobcentre.

  33. If it is actually due to start on the 28th letters may be in the post rather than face to face to avoid any potential kick-offs. However the fact no-one appears to have received anything does indicate they couldn’t administer this scheme in the first place.as any fool could have foreseen. I think it’s more likely that the more sensitive claimants are being bullied into a fear culture of welfare worries as the sucides/ATOS deaths indicate. The best advice is don’t worry about anything till it actually happens. And don’t vote Tory, Lib or Labour next time round…

  34. In a hypothetical criminal prosecution of a vulnerable claimant having been abusive or assaulting a pcs member, have the DWP or pcs union advised staff and members not to disclose in the witness box that there is a wilful policy of botherability? A policy which in practise is the obstruction in the claiming of lawful benefits and an extreme provocation of the accused defendant.

  35. PCS campaigns against the stricter benefit and conditionality regime, …

    Work to rule – the rule being unsatisfiable JSA conditionality this would create the BIG BANG!

    Risk assessments should be used to identify for a potential increase in CSMs and G4S security guards.

    The PCS only appears to be concerned in protecting its own skins while it is happy to flay the most vulnerable in society.

  36. The DWP put me on a Skills Conditionality course at my local FE College, which finished on Wednesday (23rd). With somewhat indecent haste, before the coursework has even been marked and I get to know whether I passed or not, I am mandated to start “Part 2” of the course on Monday(28th). So that’s another one-day-a-week-for-8-weeks bullshit course that gets in the way of my search for an actual job. That’s how desperate they are to keep us under constant pressure. What’s the point of being kept in a constant state of job-readiness, when the jobs aren’t ready for us? Can’t wait to see how they’re gonna fill another 8 days. Part 1 of the course was padded out to fuck as it was. We spent half the time sat round talking politics with the lecturer!

  37. “New contract demanding more from jobseekers in place across Britain”

    This bit of ‘fluff’ from the DWP press office, under Freud’s name, seems to indicate you have a good point. ‘Help to Work is not mentioned at all, nor is the new sanctions regime.
    I wonder which (apart from the expected ones) news outlets will swallow this whole and unquestioned?
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-contract-demanding-more-from-jobseekers-in-place-across-britain

    As for Neal of Dagenham, one wonders what pressures were put on them to make their ‘endorsement’

    Do you suppose an enterprising hack from the Daily Mail will be seeking them out, for comment?

  38. geoff reynolds

    http://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scarborough-evening-news/textview

    “CRIME HAS DROPPED BY 15%”

    ……….and the moon is made of cheese!

    OUR GOVERNMENT MUST EMPLOY SOME BRILLIANT STATISTICIANS…..

    IN SCARBOROUGH’S NEWSPAPER TONIGHT, AN ARTICLE ON THE FRONT PAGE STATES THAT THERE IS A CRIME COMMITTED IN THE TOWN CENTRE EVERY 225 MINUTES AND ONE IN EVERY SEVENTEEN RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A CRIME IN THE LAST YEAR

    DON’T LET THIS STORY PUT YOU OFF FROM VISITING THIS LOVELY SEASIDE RESORT WHERE THE DONKEY’S WEAR BODY ARMOUR AND THE ONLY BANKS ARE FOOD BANKS…………..

    THEY EVEN HAVE SHAVEN HEADED BODY GUARDS PROTECTING THE GUY EMPTYING OUR PARKING MACHINES AT OUR HOSPITAL.

    COME FOR A LAUGH AND GO AWAY IN STITCHES………..

    POVERTY RULES OK.

    • geoff reynolds

      p.s. contrary to what we are told by the BBC, Scarborough police have seen a “slight rise in crime with violent attacks and those of a sexual nature, on the increase”……………..

  39. ujmisabagofwank

    hi could anybody tell me how i delete the cookies it leaves after using universal jobs scam ? using firefox ?

    • Firefox Support

      A the top of your browser window click on Tools > Options > Privacy

      Thank you for choosing Firefox🙂

      Mozilla

      • Firefox Support

        Missed a bit, soz😦

        Tools > Options > Privacy > Show Cookies > Remove (All) Cookies

        Thank you for choosing Firefox🙂

        Mozilla

  40. Michael Winner

    Calm down, Dear, calm down… it’s only an internet blog🙂

  41. Will you please keep the noise down – some of us are trying to sleep in here.

  42. It’s because of ids that women and kids get abused,and animals get vivisected.

  43. Know Your Enemy

    Too right Raining, Johnny Void isn’t the enemy… it is the Government and their enablers!

  44. The good news: Jobcentre Plus have sacked all their ‘advisers’🙂 Hip hip hooray!🙂 The bad news: They have replaced them all with ‘work coaches’😦 Boom Boom!🙂

  45. overburdenddonkey

    p s….s n
    “to ps. a “+ve outcome” =”
    now where was i oh yes…..
    supplemental coz i forgot what i consider to be minor alignments
    i’ve also had poor healing to my abraded feet and an inner ear infection that has left me partially deaf, feeling like head in dull cotton wool world, with poor balance but both have almost cleared up now, the gout is also beginning to pass but i have to drink plenty of water good for gout, bad for other things, as being diabetic one has to drink a lot and piss a lot, therefore one gets dehydrated….i wear sandals in bed to keep my feet strapped up, also i have to rise often to piss, can’t put boots on coz of the excruciating pain caused by gout, glad it’s not winter now, what with in sandals cold toe syndrome ….blah, blah. blah de blah…

  46. Raining is as far as I am aware not a social worker and is like everyone else only speaking his/her mind.
    I have enjoyed his posts and hope he does not feel bullied because his comments may have been a little insensitive.
    It is difficult to understand abuse if you have not suffered it.

    • But how is that in time.

    • overburdenddonkey

      g fawkes
      you posted to me? or raining? or us both? who were you addressing? you also do know that these tail end posts could end up anywhere, as you have mentioned this many times!
      “Raining is as far as I am aware not a social worker and is like everyone else only speaking his/her mind.
      I have enjoyed his posts and hope he does not feel bullied because his comments may have been a little insensitive.”
      It is difficult to understand abuse if you have not suffered it.”
      that is a very ambiguous post…you start by addressing me, say i have no right to do the same as raining and speak my mind, coz that is what I am doing is speaking my mind….then tell me that i need a CPN/social worker, and raining is not it….then you accuse me of bullying him, then say i’m too sensitive, about the abuse that i have suffered both as a child and at the hands of the dwp and then finally you address him, and ask him to take pity on me for the child abuse that i have suffered and that i expressly used as an example of how one or one does not become evil, by cause of it…
      that is a dreadful thing to say AT/ABOUT ME/TO ME and typical of your bigoted attitude….as if, i still suffer it’s affects, and am to be pitied, be “treated”, rather than be heard, to some extent i do suffer it’s affects, but not in that way that you are implying…you also imply by talking at me, that i need SYMPATHY help, understanding, and tolerance, coz it’s the abuse talking and not me, as if i am an emotional cripple, not right in the head, talking above me, over me ie oversensitive to the remarks that raining has made…RAINING said “But this wasn’t just an ordinary bread ‘n butter one. This was regarding the life and death struggle that their crookedness has caused. The mounting pile of dead bodies is mounting and still they won’t release the figures.” he didn’t like my reply, “but they rarely if ever do, i’ve personally never known it”…the figures don’t cause abuse, people do…. yes, they may well confirm what we already know, if the figures are accurate they will be monumental….does anyone really believe that the cavalry will rush to our rescue i don’t, if they do confirm?…..we have to rescue ourselves hence my posts on this blog …we have too fight at the coalface….this is not bread and butter, it IS the life and death struggle, the figures will perhaps confirm what we already know….that the legal system or our wider culture has barely REACTED to our suffering is testament to our toxic culture, which must be healed…
      what they do to us NOW in the nhs/dwp/wca/tribunal system/et al causes the life and death struggle and this is not bread and butter stuff….you agree with raining in this instance….because it suits you to….to distract and ask why i had not questioned why the police didn’t help me, means that you cherry picked my response to you in our discussions on how i did not become evil, to find weakness in my cause….which works best care in the community or care by the community, hands down by the community….the law nor the legal system causes healing, nor does personal integration with the system….you try to imply that i have not healed from child abuse and therefore what i have said is not valid…healing is an ongoing process of emotional expression, and never happens overnight, because of the damage it does cause to one’s prospects and well being….i am upset by your comments, i was got at by your comments, i am angry at your comments…the healed person does look at life in a different way, healing is not being in harmony with the toxic system that we find ourselves in …it is not found in buddhism, christianity chanting mantras or by hippies sitting on toadstools…..scientology/behaviorism, will power to overcome terror, actively keeps one emotionally frozen , terrors have to be actively booted out this is an ongoing process the past must be healed hence the term RECOVERY, it is recovery of the self esteem that we are all born with….you tried and failed to CRUSH the truth i was/am expressing….you patronized me… you even referred to lucy as confirming what i said was/is correct, but you didn’t say that to me, you talked over me…as if lucy’s views are are valid (which they are and valued btw) and mine are not, unless confirmed by a competent person such as lucy, in that case he is correct, as if, i must 1st be vetted and monitored by others(component persons)…to raining….”butt out shirleynott”, i note that he did not tell g fawkes to butt out, so what was it raining, afraid others would support me?….you agree, with raining that i am round the bend etc etc…. yes, social worker it is a bully tactic to dis-empower the victim…but it does not dis-empower ME…..if i was still suffering as i did suffer there is no way that i could post on this blog…which unfortunately means many people don’t, should feel able too, that is my great fcuking sadness and why i must continue to speak out until all who suffer in silence feel welcome here…we must be much more enabling of human spirit and that also means some home truths, must be spoken….it is hardly encouraging people to post here if they think that they are going to be told that they are “round the bend” when/because someone else objects to what they are posting is it?

      • Big hugs Donkey.

        People always ignore/demean/patronise survivors of abuse. To acknowledge us and the abuse we suffered is to accept that abuse (in all of its guises) is real. To acknowledge that it’s widespread, that it’s happening to people in their town, on their street, in the house next door. It’s to admit that their colleague, childhood best mate, Sunday football team mate, neighbour, or family member is an abuser.

        They don’t want to admit that, to let the messy and painful realities into their cushy, organised lives. Instead of working to stop abuse, they take the easy path and stop listening to the victims instead. They call us crazy, liars, manipulative, wicked, home-wreckers. They blame us for the trauma inflicted upon our bodies and minds, two us we deserve(d) it, claim that we’re making it all up.

        See – it’s so easy to scream “LALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!”, rather than dealing with the messy, painful, ugly realities of abuse, and the fallout for the victims. We are hurt by our abusers, but that hurt is magnified and relived with every denial of our pain, every mocking sneer, every dismissive look in our direction.

        If they accept that it happened to us, then they have to accept that it could happen to them and theirs. Because that truth would be uncomfortable, a piece of grit in the eye of their dreams, they block it – and us- out.

        You are not the problem. Your abusers, and their allies in denial, are the one at fault..

        • Damn sorry, drugs and autocorrect messed it up!

          Edited version –

          Big hugs Donkey.

          People always ignore/demean/patronise survivors of abuse. To acknowledge us and the abuse we suffered is to accept that abuse (in all of its guises) is real, or to acknowledge that it’s widespread, that it’s happening to people in their town, on their street, in the house next door is hard. To admit that their colleague, childhood best mate, Sunday football team mate, neighbour, or family member is an abuser is harder than shutting us up.

          They don’t want to admit that, to let the messy and painful realities into their cushy, organised lives. Instead of working to stop abuse, they take the easy path and stop listening to the victims instead. They call us crazy, liars, manipulative, wicked, home-wreckers. They blame us for the trauma inflicted upon our bodies and minds, tell us we deserve(d) it, claim that we’re making it all up.

          See – it’s so easy to scream “LALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!”, rather than dealing with the messy, painful, ugly realities of abuse, and the fallout for the victims. We are hurt by our abusers, but that hurt is magnified and relived with every denial of our pain, every mocking sneer, every dismissive look in our direction.

          If they accept that it happened to us, then they have to accept that it could happen to them and theirs. Because that truth would be uncomfortable, a piece of grit in the eye of their dreams, they block it – and us- out.

          You are not the problem. Your abusers, and their allies in denial, those who aid them in their abuses, are the one at fault..

          Much love.

          • overburdenddonkey

            big pink…
            to “Damn sorry, drugs and autocorrect messed it up!”
            very true, i’ll add, mass workfare threat or reality is the same type of abuse….i can only thank us, those who know who us is, yourself, and myself, for our collective support in our struggle for true justice…and this is in no way a criticism, because the survivor word is drummed into us, like a mantra…i prefer the word victim when still suffering it’s affects and the survivor word when healed of it’s affects…why should we be made to feel/be ashamed of calling ourselves victims, and being who we are?
            i detest scientology/behaviorism and/or any other org or person that grows/gains income on the backs of our suffering, to insulate themselves from theirs, they try to stop one from trusting one’s own mind, our minds are the key to our healing….ie we already know how to heal, but are being actively prevented/discouraged form doing so, what we do to heal is being diagnosed, as the problem, distress is a symptom NOT a/the cause, healing is discovering what causes the distress/anxiety, and expressing blocked emotions…dr bob johnson’s, wife sue with indignation told me that they get crap from others all the time, when i said to her about the fcuking crap people give me, she calls it “toxic gossip” she in no way diminished it’s corrosive affects on healing and wellbeing, but said that this is what happens…..because of his work in parkhurst prison, and even though a place was, after parkhurst, was specifically created for him at ashworth as head of therapy, because of his reputation for successful treatments, doors have slammed in his face and his career has been smashed….but this has not stopped them…never ever give up…humanity depends on us not giving up….keep in mind, always that there are many out there, including us who fight for freedom from tyranny and oppression, it will come….
            http://www.soteria.freeuk.com/176_16-18.pdf.

  47. I agree with all of that, or maybe I don’t agree with any of it. – just remember I’ve no idea where this post is going end up.😈

  48. guy fawkes | April 26, 2014 at 4:40 pm | Reply

    OBD

    When did I say someone is born evil?

    Original sin…..🙂

  49. 😈

    • The catholic church has a new pope and he is called Francis, baptism is practiced in all christian religions not just the catholic religion. 🙂

  50. overburdenddonkey

    i’ll quit posting for a while…..i’ve been wanting to stop for a while now, but i felt compelled to respond, like one does…i’ve enjoyed most of your company…and the brilliant blog posts of the void fella, heartfelt thanks…..

    • Thanks OBD and hope you stick around, your comments would be missed. Can folks try not to let arguments get too out of hand, claimants are being fucked over enough without taking chunks out of each other as well.

    • On the off chance that obd has the follow up by email box ticked.

      obd, I’d be very sorry to see you stop posting here. Yesterday I did something which I wouldn’t have been able to do without your wise words and encouragement. It might just have saved my life.

      Thank you xx

  51. me too, although I did make another comment but it got posted further up

  52. Iain Duncan Smith (Secretary of State for Work & Pensions should be MANDATED to attend EVERY Tribunal Hearing in PERSON! That would soon put an end to this shit!

  53. totallygivenup

    suddenly i see people in various fancy dress costumes wandering the streets,pcso,s council heavies community wardens etc etc not one a proper copper but when the shit hits the fan they will come in very usefull a ready made militia….cunning and devious

  54. totallygivenup

    we are all doomed and most plebs dont give a damn dont understand dont give a shit or dont know or all 4 and until its placed at there doorstep they will graze away like good sheeples duthing there cap to the man….good old uk

  55. Raining said: “OBD: You are definitely round the bend.” No taking sides but this remark is definitely a bit below the belt. This is exactly the same tactic that ‘providers’ use on their victims. Not so much the jobcentre who indulge in more overt and less subtle bullying. Reed in Partnership especially (and I know for fact that their ‘advisers’ are trained to) use this tactic, RIP ‘advisers’ are always inquiring into their victims mental health, asking whether they have been to see a psychiatrist lately… You really should no better, Raining!

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  57. overburdenddonkey

    anyway i’ve worked out roughly why they don’t turn up….something along the lines of, it puts them in a stronger position in many different ways, as it is a civil case…1 they don’t have to face cross examination, (ie lose the advantage of their written evidence), by the tribunal, on/of their carefully practiced written evidence, that they have already presented, and therefore the appellant has to be fully equipped to contest it….2 their evidence is presented by the tribunal, as it is the written case to answer, the backdrop, it’s raison d’etre…3 therefore the appellant has to oppose/contest it, and defend a position that is set on the dwp’s/whoever terms…4 they present the evidence in their own time whilst the appellant is likely feeling run ragged and put on the spot, in an allocated moment in time/time slot, which requires perfect recall of the minutest details, from which ever angle it is put too them, depending on the many factors involved in the questioning of the appellant …5 effectively the tribunal has to do their work for them, as they made the decision one is contesting of this that or the other…when i said that they rarely do turn up, it was because my instinct prompted me to mention that, coz i just felt that something important is being overlooked here….i actually tried to spark a debate not a debacle….then i have had to discover why it was not in their interests to attend @ tribunal…this is a hasty post because this blog post will soon be archived, and to prompt further discussion on the possibilities that i have now raised…who’s gonna complain, about them not being there? the last thing one wants is to come face to face with them @ a tribunal, considering how stressful it already is…because there is a bigger advantage in them not turning up….i’ve always wondered why they don’t turn up and now i’m beginning to understand….the evidence presented by the appellant is compared to the dwp’s or whoever’s presentation/evidence, and a decision is then made….the appellant always answers to, what they have written or spoken….there is so much wrong with the tribunal system, it falls apart as soon as it is scrutinized, it’s archaic….

  58. obd,
    it wasnt just ‘don’t speak’ – it was i’m always looking for an argument (moi?). Could be complete denial (caused by JCP-induced trauma/fighting to hold on to 71/week&ctc take-home over the past two years, until quite recently) but it feels the opposite … looking for peace/somewhere safe.

    This blog & the people on it are such a sauce of inspiration & help and support & that’s before the very often laugh-out-loud funny stream of whatever-you-call-it – no small thing in the circumstances (there’s no humour like black humour).

    If this was some kind of a blogplug, I’d mention the critical, clear & potentially lifesaving information … almost impossible to credit this is an added bonus (of course, really it’s the other way round). If there could only be a soundtrack (of personal choice) it would be a near perfect port in the (s***)storm that’s cameroon’s UK/IDS’s UJ…

    • overburdenddonkey

      s n
      “obd,
      it wasnt just ‘don’t speak’ – it was i’m always looking for an argument (moi?). ” all because a bubble got popped, the “perfect storm” of mis somethings or another…..speak to you later…

  59. Government’s Help to Work scheme launches

    A new government scheme to help the long-term unemployed get jobs comes into effect on Monday.

    Those who have not found work after two years on the existing Work Programme, will have to enrol on the Help to Work scheme or face reduced benefits.

    Participants will have to go to the Job Centre every day, some will be offered community work placements and others will receive intensive coaching.

    Those who fail to take part could lose jobless benefits for four weeks.

    ‘Huge waste’

    Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith said: “Everyone with the ability to work should be given the support and opportunity to do so.

    “The previous system wrote too many people off, which was a huge waste of potential for those individuals as well as for their families and the country as a whole.”

    The programme was first outlined by Chancellor George Osborne at last year’s Conservative Party conference.

    Labour says that the government has mis-diagnosed the problem.

    Stephen Timms, Shadow Minister for Employment, said: “Under David Cameron’s government nearly one in ten people claiming Job Seeker’s Allowance lack basic literacy skills and many more are unable to do simple maths or send an email.

    “A Labour government will introduce a basic skills test to assess all new claimants for Job Seeker’s Allowance within six weeks of claiming benefits.”

    Benefits changes

    Also on Monday, those wanting to claim Jobseeker’s Allowance will have to prove they are ready for work, before they can apply.

    The government has said the changes will help to put an end to the “one-way street in benefits”.

    But the TUC says the rules could discourage more people from claiming it.

    “Making the JSA rules tougher and tougher will put people off claiming the benefits they need without doing much to help them get jobs,” said Frances O’Grady, the TUC’s General Secretary.

    But the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) said there was no evidence that people would be put off claiming.

    Government’s Help to Work scheme launches

  60. I cant believe they even have the moronic view that all they are doing is for the good of the country and the people .what an absolute shambles , they are either making mistakes in a panic or just being plain vindictive . Its plain as day that the work is not there for people so why all this pantomime smoke screen drama to cover the fact ? Maths tests before you can get a job? so its back to school now , more punishment , a typical public school attitude and bullying . Whats Maths got to do with a days work? they don’t need maths to do community work but they have no problem finding places for criminals on that . The real way of looking at it is people who are no good at Maths should be able to sue the schools and have aright good pay out for a difficult life if that’s that case . , Hundreds of people cant do basic maths ,all long forgotten since school days but can use a calculator no problem, besides the fact that not a great deal of jobs even need MATHS ,don’t come into the fact in their goldfish bowl way of thought . Id say we need to vote them out but they all seem to me to be just” passing the baton” One party creates ESA , then the next party in uses it to make us suffer , then the creator swears to get rid of it if re elected ,,, we are all being fed Excrement on a conveyor and punished if we don’t comply , or “cannot comply” as in the sick and disabled case . , if you went out into a public place and took a disabled persons dinner off him and wrote SLACKER on his fore head you would be in trouble , so how come THEY can have everyone evicted with sanctions lose all their belongings , and end up on the street to face illegal camping laws and constantly moved on in this so called civilised society ? . I suggest they just stop wasting anymore time , leave the unemployed and sick alone and concentrate on creating 3 jobs for every person in the country instead of all this manic mayhem they are wasting time and money on , and do what we all voted them in for in the first place , a fair country where no one gos without in a democratic society that gets better not worse , its not are fault at the end of the day , they steer the ship , if they run it aground why blame us ?

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  62. Landless Peasant

    Anyway….today’s the day it all begins, so-called HELP TO WORK. Bring it on Osborne you Tory sack of shite. If you want a fucking War we’ll give you one.

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  65. TheyAreFacists

    I don’t have any affiliation with this site but thought it was a bloody good article: http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/12-things-help-to-work.html

    “New Deal” = = forced labour, National Minimum Wage is ignored.

    “Flexible New Deal” = = forced labour, National Minimum Wage is ignored.

    “Workfare” = forced labour, National Minimum Wage is ignored.

    “Mandatory Work Activity” = forced labour, National Minimum Wage is ignored.

    “Help to Work” = forced labour, National Minimum Wage is ignored.

    How many fucking times will they dress up this EXACT same thing… and call it something else? What will it be called next week the “Easy Work Great Money Scheme”. Are we all five years old? We were all adults last time I checked! Why does the Government think people will go along with this shit?

  66. overburdenddonkey

    s n
    there is a lot of myth surrounding cause and treatments MHP’s…..you’ll have to read works of, see vids of those i have pointed out ie whitaker, moncreiff, johnson, rowe and see for yourself…bob johnson specializes in the treatment of neurosis/psychosis he wrote a book called “unsafe at any dose…he worked @ parkhurst prison and because of his successful work there, a place was created for him as head of therapy @ ashworth in liverpool…
    see whitaker, vid “anatomy of an epidemic” on how the mind reacts to lessen/fights the toxic impact of anti-psychotic drugs…they do knock the symptoms down in the short term ie weeks, and rarely do long term good…the curative/restorative/recovery treatments, that are proven to work are those of the likes of dr bob johnson….
    http://www.truthtrustconsent.com/

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