Why Falling Unemployment Can Be Bad News For Everyone

economic-inactivity

Economic inactivity by reason (aged 16 to 64)

More people are in work than ever before claim the DWP triumphantly as the unemployment figures show another huge rise in self-employment.  Whether these people are making any money, or whether they are pensioners with an ebay hobby, does not seem to matter as the Tories attempt to spin that Iain Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms are working.

Yet all that has happened is the economy has started to grow a bit and so unemployment has fallen a bit.  This is what always happens when economies start to grow – and due to a rising population there are almost always more people in work than ever before unless there is a severe economic downturn.  It matters barely at all what governments do to unemployed people – in a recession unemployment goes up, and in a recovery it goes down.  This is because unemployed people are not responsible for unemployment, despite the multi-billion pound welfare-to-work scam pretending that they are.

Falling unemployment may be good for the country’s economy, but that doesn’t mean it’s always a good thing for the people who actually live and work here.  The key to this lies in the figures for Economic Inactivity, currently at its lowest level since 1990 according to the ONS.  This is seen by politicians of all parties as a good thing.  A closer look reveals that is far from the case.

The largest group of people who are economically inactive are those looking after a family, many who will share in their partner’s salary.  The second largest group is students, whilst there are also 1.31 million people who have been lucky enough to retire before reaching pensionable age.  The other groups include those who are long term sick, whose numbers remain fairly stable, and a million or so ‘other’ – students on a gap year perhaps, or volunteers who can afford not to claim benefits.

If the number of people who are ‘Economically Inactive’ is falling, and it is, sharply, then that means less young people who can afford to be students.  It means less parents being able to afford to stay at home with young children, and less people able to afford to take early retirement.  This is not good news if you happen to be one of those people, in fact it’s a bit shit.

What it also means is that these often more experienced workers remaining in, or rejoining the workforce, are crowding out those who are unemployed and desperate to find a job.  This is almost certainly one reason why despite dubious claims that over a million new jobs have been created,  unemployment stood at 2.46 million in the first period after this Government weren’t elected and has since fallen to just 2.24 million.  It could also explain why the number of people unemployed over 12 months was 796,000 in August 2010 and after four years of welfare reforms, workfare and sanctions aimed at this group the number has actually risen to 807,000.

A fall in Economic Inactivity really represents a downward shift in the living standards of everyone.  Those who are slightly better off are having to work longer and harder, and those at the bottom are more marginalised than ever.  It’s good news for the bosses though, as more people are chasing every job and driving down wages for us all.  And for Tories –  who can’t bear the thought of a pleb enjoying an early retirement when there’s still a few years of profit to be extracted from their work – it’s the best news of all.

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150 responses to “Why Falling Unemployment Can Be Bad News For Everyone

  1. jeffrey davies

    were are they working many work stacking shelves for charitys or hiden away yes it seems more working but if truth be told claiming their 71benefit not real work the bank has a failed carney in fiddling the figures and then we have george who couldn’t tell the truth even when its infront of him fiddling the figures making everything in the garden smelling of rosies

  2. You missed the people who have been sanctioned who no longer count as unemployed, or those who were placed on the work related group of esa whose time has elapsed so they can’t continue to claim, and are also taken of the unemployed, then there are people on zero hours contracts who may or may not be working as well, basically, I don’t think that the figures can be believed especially given the amount of immigrants there have not been enough jobs created to use up all of them plus the unemployed we already had.

  3. According to Morgan Stanley 80% of new jobs are due to self-employment.

  4. This used to be the kind of intelligent interpretation of statistics that the mainstream media used to do, oh, I don’t know – about 40 years ago?

  5. No way has the unemployment gone down – I’d say it’s actually gone up – but if they keep on fiddling the figures do they think that those who are unemployed will go away?

  6. Reblogged this on Jay's Journal and commented:
    Pack of lies about employment getting better.

  7. Today’s news Lidl are booming, Tesco are falling and Waitrose are booming. How clear a sign the poor are getting poorer and richer are getting richer? Can’t be dismissed this is the truth.

    Tesco isn’t luxury it’s mainstream and their customers Mr and Mrs Average are struggling.

    • Record (£Billions) losses for the Co-op – no fucking wonder at the prices the cunts charge – over £3 for a basic fucking loaf!!!!

      • Because nobody can afford to shop there! The Co-op keeping putting up their prices > fewer customers = less takings > hike the prices up some more …. > until they are left with only one customer who can afford to pay £1million for a loaf!

    • Tesco are losing market share because of their involvement in Workfare/slave labour.

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  9. Could you keyboard warriors stop writing so many comments please. After a hard day a woek I haven’t got the time to read 100s of comments! Or at least limit the comments to a manageable amount, say 10.

  10. I suspect huge numbers of now self-employed have been forced into it and making next to nothing. This falling unemployment talk is just painting over the cracks. Lies to try and sneak into power next year. Are people really so gullible?

  11. Here,s a question for our leader if things are so rosy why has he said there would be more cuts in welfare and the public sector. Its all propaganda any way the one,s who have found jobs are being topped up with benefit,s..

  12. This socioeconomic debasement of the UK has been going on for 30 odd years, economic inactivity is the speedometer that measures the speed in the race to the bottom.

    Two out of three people employed in the UK are probably economically inactive in the context of productivity – a zombie workforce.

    • overburdenddonkey

      voidseeker
      yep, an absolutely appalling state of affairs, the figures are clear, poverty is rampant, the masses are getting poorer and the rich richer, pretty soon they’ll be nothing left for us, as the establishmant continue to milk the economy in their favour….

    • Another Fine Mess

      “Two out of three people employed in the UK are probably economically inactive in the context of productivity”

      Yep. Thanks to mass production and mechanisation only 1 productive worker is actually needed, and the non-work that the other 2 each do, cancels each others work out and costs a fortune.

      The Waste Programme and the whole of the welfare to work ‘industry’ is a good example, costs £billions and all that happens is a different person gets the job(sometimes) and so is worse than doing nothing. Just burning the money would be more useful – at least it would keep us warm.

  13. Why don’t they provide the numbers of dead each month alongside the so called fall in unemployment so that we can see a link?

    • unemployment is falling ??
      really ?? how come there are no jobs in my area ?? jobs market is actually stagnating but, knowing what the dwp are like they like blowing hot/cold air

  14. I don’t believe unemployment is falling in a hundred years. They’ve fiddled the figures so the number ‘claiming job seekers allowance’ seem to be falling because they no longer include those ‘sanctioned’ or those on the Work Programme. Funny how these miraculous ‘green shoots’ are sprouting in the run up to next year’s general election. Perfect timing. If it isn’t really happening they just cook the books – this has been this govt’s strategy all along. ‘If it’s broke, pretend you’ve fixed it.’

  15. Government Agent

    Why are my comments in moderation?

  16. Ruprick Murdick

    Only a Scum ‘reader’ * would believe believe DWP ‘statistics’🙂

    * ‘reader’ because they only look at the pictures lol🙂

  17. totallygivenup

    i have never hated anybody,til now smith i hate you and your cronies to me its a sad day

  18. The coalition claims that more people are in work now than ever before. If this is true why is revenue flowing in to the Treasury from direct taxation so low and meagre? With so many people working you’d imagine the coffers would be overflowing. The only possible explanation is that a hoge amount of work is poorly paid – part-time, insecure, zero hour contracts etc. – and legions of people so poorly paid that they don’t pay any tax at all.

  19. I was disgusted by Channel 4’s news last night. The article of foodbanks started badly when the autocue bimbo described the food parcels as “handouts” and during the interviews she constantly interrupted Rachel Reeves but allowed expenses-fiddler David Gauke to say pretty much anything he wanted, including the old Tory lie that foodbanks are being used more because they’re publicised now while Labour kept them secret.

  20. Sanctions were always going to be the bigger threat to social security even more so when directly linked to housing benefit – sanction busting is where the fight is at.

    • hear hear voidseeker.

    • If what is happening – the full story, not individual cases – were out in the open, would enough people (finally) take notice & say ‘not in my name’? Wouldn’t a great many people (whether or not personally affected) want to examine and then reject the ‘rationale’ that’s allowing this madness to go on if they were shown the true picture & not just numbers? Or are we now at a stage where a majority of people in this country think it’s acceptable & would support a ‘policy’ or set of ‘rules’ that legitamise people’s money being stopped – leaving them without money for food & life’s other essentials?

      The Indy’s article yesterday said that statements have been made (outside the UK) that the removal of a subsistance level of income is a denial of the (basic human) right to eat … which of course, it is.

  21. everybody here needs to find jesus, so says cameron

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/17/christianity-compels-me-to-make-difference

    saved saved saved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    who wants to kill him first?

  22. There is a sting in the tale of the numbers of the 1.31 million people who have been ‘lucky’ enough to retire before reaching pensionable age.

    Not lucky are the 530,000 women since 2013 to have lost state pension payout whilst made early retired in lieu of redundancy from the hundreds of thousands of Austerity putblic sector job cuts, hitting the lowest paid by early retirement in lieu of redundancy. The average male works pension from councils is around £4000 per year, but for women is around £2000 per year. Of the million jobs due to be lost, over two thirds will be to women in the public sector.

    Early retirement was raised from 50 to 55 just as I was being retired in 2008.

    Ageism in job recruitment means the over 50s have great difficulty in gaining work.

    Raised retirement age means the disabled / chronic sick expected to be involved in Workfare and losing benefits AND losing state pension.

    See if you lose most or all of your state pension, even if 80 from 2016
    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/state-pension-at-60-now

    • Sadly they will never revoke this, because they can claim that men have to wait until they’re 56 and that they’re just brining women into line with men

  23. I mean 65 not 56

    • overburdenddonkey

      moggy
      yeah, but men used to also be able to retire, take PGC @ 60 and now we can’t, we have to wait as well…

      • True obd. It would be better if everyone could take early retirement from the age of 50 and give the young ‘uns a chance when there aren’t the jobs to go round anyway. Course they’ll never go for that either. They want people to work until they drop.

        • overburdenddonkey

          moggy
          i agree retirement @ 50, to negate the need to earn a wage would be great no signing on, no esa crap….but retirement @ 60 should be the norm now…it will go up to 69/70 many won’t even see a pension….imagine being on esa/jsa @ 66, let alone nearly 70, a 53yr working age life, beggars belief….

          • Aye, it does that, obd. My pension age is set to be 66 and by then they will have degraded the pensions so much. I can’t help wishing that I was born ten years earlier, just to save us from this crap.

            Roll on the Citizens Income for all!

            http://www.citizensincome.org/

      • Coppers ‘retire’ at 47 on a full pension and are then re-employed as civilian staff!

      • If you retire at 60 you are expected to live another 18 years, but if you retire at 65 you are expected to live for only another 18 MONTHS! It is the final straight that wears us down. And probably why men’s life expectancy is much reduced compared to women. Interesting, fire-fighters have a short life expectancy and an airline pilot is expected to last until only 62 (although many of these drop dead (mid-flight) at a much younger age).

  24. Just a suggestion. We should be able to retire at the age of 16.
    Receive all pension contributions in advance when we need the money ,then repay back over the next 50 years.
    The men in the white coats have just arrived and are taking me away.

  25. An interesting article on the lasting effects of bullying something anyone who has ever had any dealings with the jobcentre and their collaborators will be only too familiar with:

    Childhood bullying ‘damages adult life

    Bullying in childhood “throws a long shadow” into victims’ adult lives, suggests research indicating long-term negative consequences for health, job prospects and relationships.

    The study tracked more than 1,400 people between the ages of nine and 26.

    School bullies were also more likely to grow up into adult criminals.

    The study, from Warwick University in the UK and Duke University in the US, concludes bullying should not be seen as “a harmless rite of passage”.

    The long-term impact of bullying in childhood was examined through the experiences of three different groups – those who had been bullied, those who had carried out the bullying and those who had been both victims of bullying and had also carried out bullying themselves.

    Childhood bullying ‘damages adult life’

    • Too true Value Pasta! I was bullied a lot at school and also by a parent over a very long period as a child. I was glad to reach adulthood, as relatively speaking it meant relief from the bullying. I had heard of bullying taking place in the workplace, but had never experienced it until five years ago, when a boss tried to bully me. He didn’t succeed, but I know it was bullying because of the feelings released within me when he was attempting it. That he did not succeed was neither here nor there, but nonetheless I had to deal with those feelings. Bullying does indeed throw long shadows.

      • Bullies hunt in packs, but there is always a head bully.
        Remove the head bully and, the pack disperse looking for another head bully.
        Its usually the second in command of the pack that becomes the head bully and so it continues.
        If we want to get rid of the bullies we firstly need to get rid of the packs.

    • Smart Value Beans

      “long-term negative consequences for health, job prospects and relationships.” Funny how the whole jobcentre/third-party collaborator ethos revolves around bullying😉

    • overburdenddonkey

      value pasta
      bullying is the hallmark of a capitalist culture…and it is rife/endemic/embedded in ours, in all it’s forms….behavior compliance, to what the state deems as right…

    • “Childhood bullying ‘damages adult life”

      Well no shit Sherlock! Science and the BBC are always so slow when it comes to catching up, as is the adversarial art of psychiatry.

      Bullying is the hallmark of any culture that contains homo sapiens.

      See the work of the late Tim Field for all you need to know about bullying.

      His website is still up, though it looks a bit Web v1.0 now, the whole site has immense integrity.

      There was some talk of the Quakers taking over the running of the site, but it’s so comprehensive, I think that idea must have been shelved once the Quakers realised what a huge task, reworking Tim’s work to appeal to the modern reader would involve.

      • …. Link to Tim Field’s site on bullying

        http://www.bullyonline.org/index.htm

        • overburdenddonkey

          lucy
          yeah i know the late tim feild…i have a signed copy of his book “bully insight”…and the tragic, “bullycide death @ play time”, by neil marr…i went beyond their work and found the work of dr bob johnson, i never looked back, his work moved me onto an entirely different realm of defending against bullies….releasing bottled up rage, and finding the natural defensive rage within us all….ie no! get lost, and mean it…

          • overburdenddonkey

            p s lucy
            you will be aware that dr bob is a quaker and has simplified the whole process of recovery from bullying, that blights the lives of so many, and causes monumental problems in our culture….

            • obd, isn’t it, if not odd, maybe coincidental that so many of the real right thinkers, the ones who always come up with the compassionate approaches, and they happen to be Quakers?

              I’m a little way into into Dr Bob’s Emotional Health, then comes Rowe’s epic, then some Moncrieff, then, for some hard core early debunking of the basic premise of psychiatry, some Jeff Masson. Masson, is also an ethologist, and a good one too. Jonathan Balcombe is another ethologist who is interested in the emotional lives of all animals and his work reflects this. Oh noes! I am conflating human beings with other animals! Fetch the ducking stool, that Lucy is clearly a witch🙂

          • He was a really good bloke, an excellent teacher too. I started out on my vast untangling when I chanced on his site. I owe a lot to his work. His work is a good starting place for anyone who has been bullied in any situation, at any age.

            His work gave me the confidence to believe that what happened to me was not my fault. I always knew it wasn’t, but it gave me plenty of quality ammo to defend myself from undermining gaslighters, who back then, had a hold on my life.

            • overburdenddonkey

              lucy
              oh.yes, he was a very good person onto something big, and with a passion to get the message out there, but he did also hold back or was held back and was very much a benevolent behaviorist…dr bob also freely informs people of the cure for/of bullies and their victims alike…
              although i had real psychotherapy in 1985, i could not quite believe what was confirmed there…i searched for confirmation and in so doing come across his work 15 yrs ago, it did move me on up to a point…i remember setting out on my quest to heal when i was 15, i had read millers work, but as soon as i read/studied johnson’s work the connections, between 15yr old 18 yrs later 1985 with psychotherapist, and then 2004, 10 yrs ago, were completed…

              • The trouble is with behaviourism, is the same trouble with everything else in the world that we use as tools, it’s easily abused and when behaviourism is abused it creates a train wreck in the mind of a person who needs kindness and understanding, not being told they are maladapted, disordered, malingerers who are not worth helping with anything other than a dustbin diagnosis.

                It is especially damaging when it is used to the exclusion of all other tools available. Once big subjects are split up, you get nice little packages that can be picked up by anyone and much money can be made in the shortest of times. This is the behaviourist approach of the goons in power and those who have been lucky enough to win a bid to provide such state sanctioned abuse of the very vulnerable.

                Tim came from a background in training and development, so it’s no wonder he had some behavioural roots, but I cannot think of any aspect where he was crudely applying the ethos of behaviourism alone. He always included something with aim of humaneness and understanding, as the scaffold to his methods and ideas. Behaviourism doesn’t do understanding, history or context. Tim did.

                Some of his work is quite simplistic, yet, he acknowledges that with bullies, in everyday life, there isn’t much that can be done about them by the ordinary person. Damage limitation can only ever be minimal. The answer is to get out, away from the bully or remove the bully. Of course this is no answer at all, it’s like throwing slugs into your neighbour’s garden, the slugs will come back, hungry after their long slither back to their home ground or find somewhere else to destroy a garden by satisfying hunger. Bullies do need removing but not to carry on their activities with some other hapless soul. They need access to address their lives, they need the chance of recovery too.

                We can’t escape the bullies in power if we want to claim what is rightfully ours, so Tim probably can’t add much help there. But I still believe his principles endure.

                Nothing that we have within the DWP or the NHS now addresses the simple truth that humaneness works.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  lucy
                  i agree with you up to a point and i value tim’s monumental eye opener works greatly, the MH trap the damage bullies do is pointed at by the bully as if the victim owns the state that they have been put in, by the bully, the “swarming” effect etc.. CBT does all of these things and more, but tim was culturalised/habitated, as we all are to some extent, study the canadian grizzly/brown bear and the habitation that they suffer, coz of foolish tourists, and extrapolate it, as you have already done, and no you won’t be strapped to a ducking stool 🙂 …dr bobs work heals people so that they can deny bullies access ie stop them getting into head uninvited, in the 1st place…yes, one must always move away from bullies if at all possible or confront them, if not….but, in the case of state bullying it is not always possible, because they control our vitals of life, ie they can steal our dinner money and leave us destitute….so we must confront them…and challenge their rude abusive behaviors…

                • Many people practise behaviourism in every day life eg parents with young children eg when I studied behaviourism many moons ago mothers would roll their eyes because they’ve been doing it for years to great effect. But even those with a scrap of knowledge realize that positive encouragement brings out the best in children (and adults) and that punishment to change behaviours may appear to work superficially but there is often a negative and far-reaching consequences further down the line.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  moggy
                  i’ll make my position clear, imposed, overt, public, behaviorism is not necessary and is always counter productive for the human being…imposed behaviorism is all about PRODUCTION ie being used…having a marketable product..it absolutely destroys humanity…self imposed covert private behaviorism however can be useful, to get one from a2b so one can be free of behaviorism altogether, as in gaining time and space to heal…

          • Ooh, I know Neil Marr. Great guy – published on of my books back along

    • Yes, I have often noted the way we are now more aware of ‘bullying’ at schools but when it comes to ‘work’ bullying is fair game. The cause goes beyond the Job Centres who are being bullied in turn by their superiors who are themselves being bullied by the DWP. It is corporate bullying at its most sinister and it’s written into the very fabric of their stinking policies. The hypocrisy is astounding, pretending to care about bullies when they don’t give a flying one. The were probably bullies in their Etonian dorms

      • overburdenddonkey

        moggy
        yes and i’ll add….i can’t remember how tim field put it exactly, but it did make sense at the time….he said something like, once a school has an anti-bullying policy in place it is actually a symptom of failure, and an acceptance of bullying, and went on to explain why in detail…managing the problem is not the same as curing bullying altogether…being aware of bullying is not the same as curing it…there should be no atmosphere where bullying can exist, nor flourish…ie the sitting down and talking through with the bully and/or appealing to the bullies humanity is simply bogus and resolves nothing…all that it does is to further numb the victim, to pretend a resolution, so the school can tick boxes case solved, it is swept under the carpet by such methods…and the victim moves on unresolved, until it comes back and bites the victim on the arse…..the victim must get TRUE restorative justice, in order to move on…

        • Yes agreed, obd. But I think it’s better to have recognition in place by an anti-bullying policy than none at all. When i was at school there was none at all as I’m sure there wasn’t with you either. It’s like the worst firms don’t even ‘pretend’ to have evaluation to see what you think of their ‘services’ and going through the motions doesn’t cure it at all but it’s better than having nothing at all. It can be a step in the right direction although not getting to the true cause as you say.

          • overburdenddonkey

            moggy
            far better to have a non bullying policy in place, rather than denying bullying takes place…often the child is blamed, made to feel responsible for their symptoms of distress, symptoms of distress are obvious, proper timely interventions are required are very rare, to find out what is going on and stop it…i had a school teacher who was brutal and by pure chance i come across a similar description of her by another ex pupil, there were also others who terrorized pupils, and some that did not..and it is not about training, it is about the quality of the teachers…ed balls described interventions “without fear” or triggering fear, this approach is complete nonsense, as the child IS terrified, pretending that the child is not terrified makes things far worse as is plain for all to see…no healing can take place without expressing all bottled up feelings of rage, as blocked rage causes fear/terror, this is what is explosive, and causes anxiety, as the affected person tries to, control it rise above it, cope with it, and manage these intense feelings in a sterile/clinical surreal atmosphere…without pure rage expression one is impotent….rage, keeps fear/terror causing people/bullies out…the child must express their blocked feelings, to restore their personal (violated) integrity…so people who are fully skilled (love, compassion, and EMPATHY, not SYMPATHY, emotionally complete, whole) in child psychotherapy are needed, competence, and sadly lacking…pupils can also play a major role in healing/protecting others, it is not rocket science, but intuitive instinctive humane caring, of each other…..
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27063715 see comments…..the cure is already available, but they’ll be countless procrastination studies to find out what can help…very like the WE “experiment” that has no scientific validity….ah i know, we’ll do some more just to make sure…

            • Obd
              Just about to go offline for break so can’t reply properly. But when i was at school no bullying policy. School was a brutal place. Substitute bullying for sexual abuse. Sexual abuse still the same horror as it always was but now we recognise it by naming it and addressing it. It means that people can speak out. Many other examples. By not EVEN naming it or recognising it is worse. Better to have no-bullying policy if we live in an ideal society with no bullying ergo it would be redundant. But we don’t. So we have to start by naming it and having policies and getting kids to recognise it. No such thing when I was at school. Corporate bullying was fine: the cane, smacking, well you know all that if you were born pre 1960s

            • overburdenddonkey

              moggy
              non-bullying policy, is not the same as no-bullying policy, anti-bullying policy is well it would be ok, but it is not allowed, against the rules…i suffered all types of abuse, i was brutally abused, all abuse is emotional abuse….it is not addressed today at all…talked at yes, but not addressed….lip service cures nothing…speaking out, finding the culprit, cures nothing, there is certainly a sense of relief, but that is very short lived….yes, it may stop it doing even more damage, but damage is done and requires deep psychotherapy to get the intense feelings out of mind…where is this help, there is hardly any…and usually it is only by luck, as in my case, that one finds it…

              • I don’t believe that anti bullying policies change anything in any sustained way for the better. Grudgingly I have to admit that at least the subject is being discussed in some schools. I doubt that workplaces will make much progress with this issue, ever.

                We need to teach humaneness. We need to include it in the education of all children and it needs to be taught as a subject to everyone training in any profession that involves caring or taking responsibility for the wellbeing of others.

                There’s no point in having policies if people do no understand what leads them to bully, why they do it and what constitutes bullying. Anti-bullying policies are shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. The damage to the bullied individuals has already happened.

                In a system where there is only a policy, there is never going to be the opportunity for the assault on the individual’s mind to be acknowledged (the first part of healing) nor is there space for reparation and resolution. The policies tend to be all about what to do if bullying happens, not how to ensure it doesn’t happen.

                Culture and environment are everything.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  lucy
                  i’ll add is that humanity cannot be taught, it can however be recovered, the cure is the same for abuse victims and abusers alike, inside every human being humanity is trying to flourish, blossom, live, that is a fact…lip service cures nothing, appeasement cures nothing, clapping the culprit in irons, punishment, cures nothing….we are governed by bullies, capitalism is a system that is based on bullying, under it bullies will always prosper, and be free to live in denial….who gets what, well we all need vitals of life, without those vitals there can be no vitality, MALNUTRITION is rife…demand for food banks is driven by NEED, a paltry 9 days of “free food”/yr, that is hardly food in any case, (especially for those with special dietary needs, 3 million + suffer t2 diabetes alone in the uk) and is certainly not a reliable supply of vitals..keeping heart beating is not life…8m people in “in work poverty” alone, this is a measure of dire economic prosperity…..there is more chance of finding unicorn shit, than finding a decently paid wellbing job…get a job then, one gets the wellbeing…no! wellbeing is always a perquisite of the ability to work, the 2nd is jobs/work that maintains it, as there are no fcuking jobs many are stuck, without jobs we need decent wellbeing benefits, where are they?

    • Eleanor Roosevelt

      No one can make you feel inferior without your consent🙂

      — Eleanor Roosevelt

  26. The real bullies are the psychiatrists that used ECT and LSD or (Lucy in the sky with diamonds) as it is known by the patients that survived it.

    • …not just the ones who use ECT and LSD Guy, all of them are bullies, created by a system that denies that when people are abused they hurt and they need understanding and kindness. It’s the refusal to offer an abused individual a chance to be understood, to untangle their history and understand it that has caused so many people to end up utterly destroyed.

      .On my list of bullies, I include, psychiatrists, psychologists, all CBT practitioners (of any type or calibre), pretty much all counsellors working in charities or unsupervised in practice, or anywhere else, CPNs, GPs – all trained to behave as bullies. How did being bullied ever help anyone recover from anything?

      • I don’t think you can generalise. There are many good caring psychologists , CPNs, GPs etc.

        • I suppose it is wrong to generalise Moggy, but I have seen too much of piss poor practice over the years and have been given so many direct accounts by those who have been through the system mill, and the overwhelming message is that the system is bereft of people who can implement humane policies that result in humane treatment of individuals who are very vulnerable to the very system that is supposed to be helping them.

          I don’t see much in the way of humaneness anywhere in MH care.

          The good people are frequently side lined because they won’t put people through pointless and brutal interventions. Good people working in the NHS MH system, don’t last long. Many burn out, many become ill themselves with the toxic effect of being forced by contract of employment to do what they have been told and not to think. Often the good professionals are being bullied, corporately or individually, themselves. It makes no sense for anyone with a conscience to stay in that environment. That’s one reason why the system is so weakly defended by intelligence. The intelligent ones, with the skill to help people recover, leave.

          Once they are gone, they don’t come back. In some cases, the good ones don’t get the jobs in the first place, because those ticking boxes, those doing the hiring, see the original thinker as a dangerous liability. I’ve seen that on too many occasions to count both in education and the NHS.

          • PS: For Moggy, I forgot to mention that the very education and training of these professionals still promotes abusive forms of practice and by default, bullying.

            It starts with culture. The training of doctors is very competitive and hierarchic, stiffly so. With the lack of jobs available for many in health care, the training of nurses and other types of HCP is becoming much more competitive.

            Immutable systems tend to be the weakest and most fragile.

            • True, Lucy, but I have worked with psychologists and met a cross-section as you would in any field. I have also been on the receiving end of MH care as has another member of my family and have met good and bad. But this is going back a number of years and my fear is that as it gets more more competitive, streamlined and – heaven forbid – more privatised, the caring ones will be edged out and leave only the worst ones.

  27. well said Lucy!

    • But you missed the fact that some are forced into the psychiatric system out of spite, malicious reporting or political reasons, who are neither ill nor vulnerable.

      • I did miss it out Guy, it’s such a massive subject and I type too much anyway, so in the pursuit of brevity, I left it out. It needs more than my ramblings to give it the airing it really needs.

        The prevalence of shoving and forcing people in and out of jobs/healthcare/education, according to ideology, prejudice or malice is very high. This practice, negatively pervades every aspect of an individual’s life once they are noted by the system.

        The people you refer to are at no risk of ever being truly heard. The process of diagnosis is biased towards “faults” and each “fault” described automatically results in a whole swathe of a person’s own account being ignored and denied.

        In my opinion, the whole system is irrevocably fucked.

  28. The Tories and their mouthpieces reckon there’s no correlation between falling unemployment figures and rising numbers of folks needing food banks and kids living in poverty. Making work pay, eh ?

    Well if Psycho Secretary Smith and his flunky propagandists at the DWP say that people are no longer in poverty as soon as they find work then it must be true. Zero hour contract workers, trainee doggy walkers, new start window cleaners – you’ll be rolling in dosh in no time ! So come on you unemployed types, you’ve nothing to lose but your signing-on cards.

    • Another Fine Mess

      Depite the cuts, the in-work benefits bill is increasing by about £1.5bn a year, which shows how crap all these ‘jobs’ are.

  29. Its a disgrace to treat people as they do , 4 week sanctions are just enough to cause an eviction , making people worry for their livelihood’s , their supposed to be laws on worrying people but it seems that’s never mentioned as someone gets evicted from their home to be forced to sell all their sentimental belongings all because they didn’t take a job that don’t exist . They are trying to follow the American way of life , problem is , everything in America is cheap , here , everything is beyond a reasonable price and bordering comical prices . we are being ripped off and driven through cattle gates for the rest of our money . anyone who don’t play the game gets thrown in jail , look into a crystal ball and see what’s coming next ,All the new laws that have appeared , labour introduced 2000 , and many more are popping up to the extent now that we need to go to university to learn them all . Holding a middle finger up in the street is a £60 fine now , Private prisons are next , to contain all the sanctioned ones , all at the tax payers expense , I’ve watched the price of a well known chocolate bar rise from 25p to a £1 , sounds nothing until you realise that wages have stayed the same throughout the price rise . its the same old story , make things seem good for the small business man then wham ” interest rates will rise and your house is repossessed (robbed) , We are all going to end up chasing chickens in rags then thrown in jail for stealing the chicken . whilst the other half of society laugh spilling expensive brandy all over themselves . we need something new to make this country great again , a party that looks after it and not themselves ,I still cant believe that we all have been a subject to trouble causers , by making the workers think the unemployed are the cause of the countries debt , how unprofessional , creating words like workshy and scroungers , basically causing trouble among their own people , its madness .

    • skull
      All the new laws hat have appeared , labour introduced 2000 , and many more are popping up to the extent now that we need to go to university to learn them all . Holding a middle finger up in the street is a £60 fine now , Private prisons are next , to contain all the sanctioned ones , all at the tax payers expense , I’ve watched the price of a well known chocolate bar rise from 25p to a £1 , sounds nothing until you realise that wages have stayed the same throughout the price rise.

      Some good observations regarding new laws, the parameters of our personal freedom have become ever narrow due to rules and regulations, laws and bylaws, security cameras etc, yet the wrong people are constantly arrested and prosecuted for crimes they did not commit while the guilty walk free or all of the surveillance is rendered useless as images of culprits unclear.
      Then we have economics the so called free market, which is manipulated rather than following a natural path i.e. if they want to increase prices like say chocolate, they either reduce the amount made to create demand or stagnate wages so that the demand is not there as people cannot afford to buy, both of which creates job losses in the industry.
      The same formula is applied to housing, reduce the amount of houses built to create demand (especially in the social sector) or only build houses that are for sale, then reduce or control mortgage lending again so that the market is stagnant.
      Only those that have had the money at the time when the market was right to buy, can either bulk buy chocolate or houses and sell at a profit, although with housing they have a middle option because they can privately rent out their extra homes at extortionate prices.

      Like I said the economy is all smoke and mirrors and the tor middle and upper classes manipulate markets, educational attainments, employability and incomes to suit themselves.
      Education should be free, of good quality and should lead to a job or vocation of choice not be income based, that way everyone employed would get a living wage and would not be incentivized by income.

  30. Sanction instigated evictions – not only the young, but due to the demographics the aged will be affected. That group will find it harder to cope or recover than maybe a younger person would.

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      “our government complicit in the murder of disabled people”

      …………BRAND IT HOW YOU LIKE, THE BLACK SHADOW UPON OUR GOVERNMENT WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW AND HAUNT THEM FOREVER………….

      NEVER DID I EVER IMAGINE A GOVERNMENT AND IT’S ANNIHILATION SQUAD, THE DWP, SENDING OUT INFORMATION TO PENSIONERS ON PROJECTED LIFE SPANS……….

      ON ONE HAND THEY SEEM INTENT ON INFORMING THE ELDERLY, HOW LONG THEY ARE EXPECTED TO LIVE FOR, AND AT THE SAME TIME WITHHOLDING THE MORTALITY FIGURES FOR THOSE THEY HAVE ALREADY KILLED DURING THE EVIL WELFARE CULL.

      THEY ARE BEYOND INEPT, A STATE SPONSORED KILLING MACHINE THAT HAS LOST THE PLOT COMPLETELY.

      WHAT SORT OF IDIOT WOULD WANT TO BRING FEAR INTO THE HEARTS OF THE MOST SENIOR POPULATION BY TELLING THEM WHEN THEY ARE PROJECTED TO DIE?

      THIS MUST BE THE MOST CALLOUS ACT OF A BUNCH OF PRIVILEGED SCHOOLBOYS EVER!

      AT THE RATE THE DISABLED AND POOR ARE BEING ROUTINELY EXTERMINATED, THE PROJECTIONS WILL NOT MEAN A THING…………………..

      WITH THE NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BEING FED PIECEMEAL TO THE PRIVATE HEALTH INSURERS, LIFE EXPECTATIONS WILL BE CONSIDERABLY LOWER, ESPECIALLY FOR THE WEAKEST, MOST VULNERABLE AND POOR…………

      THE GOVERNMENT ARE LETTING YOU KNOW IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT IF YOU LIVE IN AN INDUSTRIALISED AREA, OUTSIDE OF THE METROPOLIS, YOU WILL POP YOUR CLOGS FASTER THAN THE MOLLYCODDLED SOUTH…………………

      WE ALL KNOW WHO PUTS IN THE MOST GRAFT, WE AREN’T THICK.

      THE BIG QUESTION SURELY HAS TO BE, WHO GAVE POLITICIANS THE RIGHT TO WITHHOLD INFORMATION ?.

      WHY ARE REPORTS BEING KEPT FROM THE EYES OF THOSE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT?

      WHATEVER IS DEEMED TO BE DAMAGING IS KEPT FROM PUBLIC SCRUTINY………

      THIS IS NOT THE ACTIONS OF A DEMOCRACY BUT THAT OF AN EVIL DICTATOR.

      YOU ARE PAYING THEIR BLOATED WAGES AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO THAT INFORMATION, POLITICS IS NOT A MYSTERY, BUT IT HAS BECOME ONE.

      IS THERE ANY WONDER SCOTLAND WANTS TO MOVE TO INDEPENDENCE AND RID ITSELF OF THE TIES OF THE MORALLY AND ETHICALLY CORRUPT WESTMINSTER………..

      “STOOGES ACTING OUT THE FANTASIES OF THEIR MULTINATIONAL PUPPETEERS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE PEOPLE”

      THESE BASTARDS ARE PLAYING NO PART IN THE QUALITY OF THE UK TODAY, PAWNS FED BY THE SCRAPS OF POWER, ROTTEN TO THE CORE……………
      Reply

  31. By rights those in the south east should have a shorter lifespan, if the amount of traffic fume emissions due to congested roads is anything to go by.

    • “What is the hidden agenda?”

      Are we a society of secrets or a secret society?

      Why do we have hidden courts and information blocked from the eyes of the public?
      Why are inquiries held behind closed doors and information retracted?

      How come the police have been shredding vital evidence?

      What happened to the Chilcott inquiry into Blair and Bush’s invasion ?

      Investigations into the acts of parliamentary paedophile rings thwarted?

      …………..Secret handshakes, judicial decisions, conflicts of interest, lobbying…………..

      The UK GOVERNMENT is the most corrupt IN THE WORLD…….

      • GEOFF REYNOLDS

        Transparency is a thing of the past, a thin veneer between right and wrong………………..
        The electorate are not stupid, although the politicians may think otherwise.
        We are headed by a ship of fools who think that manipulating the news will deceive………….

        Society in the UK is going down the pan faster than at any time in the past. Standards of living have been crucified and the streets are awash with the victims of the” DWP’S CULL OF THE UNDERPRIVILEGED “.

        Telling lies is not the act of a dominant party, it is the act of a coward afraid to tell the truth………

        Everything this government has touched, has so far resulted in disaster.

        The hole they dig is getting deeper by the minute, and you, my friend, are nothing more than collateral damage…………….

        • GEOFF REYNOLDS

          “ask yourself, why are we closing mines and importing coal from abroad?”
          Who within parliamentary circles will benefit from this move?
          Somebody is making a lot of money on the misery of thousands. Somebody at the top is filling his or her pockets on these actions.
          Why are the government hell bent on giving rail franchises to the private sector when they are producing money to the exchequer?

          Circles within circles, greed wrapped in greed, the fabric of society is being laid bare by short term gain instead of long term forecast.

          Corruption oils the wheels of this unelected shower of shit…………..

          It’s about time the people said, enough is enough, before they lead us down the one way path to destruction.

          Has the postal system improved?
          Has it fuck! Rising costs have ensured that the public are paying for the investors cash cow.
          Conned is not the word, sold down the river……….

          • Both the state and private enterprise have robbed us of our heritage, exploited us for their own ends, then sold us down the river when they think we can be of no further use to them. This was happening long before 2000 and has been perpetrated by one and all since.

            • overburdenddonkey

              g fawkes
              this seems to be the way labour is thinking on the WCA that it lacks credibility…i say no! it lacks validity, anxiety/distress/stress is caused, because they expect us to do what we know that we cannot do, or we would be doing, it is yet more patronizing crap….expect even more bullying under labour…they won’t scrap it, but modify it…more, it does work, i know we’ll do it some more…
              http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/how-labour-would-reform-the-work-capability-assessment-9265479.html
              i say scrap the WCA as it is pointless…

              • overburdenddonkey

                g fawkes
                typo…”more of if it does not work, i know we’ll do more of it…”

              • I most certainly do not agree with forcing the disabled out to work in order to reduce costs.
                The WCA should not have validity OBD,, but the diagnostic techniques of the so called professionals should also be called into question when those that are not happy with their diagnosis, one way or another, should be able to taken seriously and given recognition and redress.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  g fawkes
                  we’ve had many conversations on the subject of in house complaints systems and how prejudiced/biased they are towards the complainant, which is why they were set up by blair, to thwart and crush complaints..the implication is that the system is honest, trustworthy, doing whats best for us, and knows what is best for us….i continue to dispute and contest that with all the agencies that i am currently involved with…

            • perpetuated not perpetrated.

            • I remember years ago in our area there were loads of factories taking guys on for manual labor type jobs with reasonably good money. Now all these places have closed and all you have left are friggin’ cleaners jobs or care assistants. I mean the manufacturing industries are shafted in this country.

              All they can think of nowadays is this service industry. Coffee shops and bistro’s and the like. Let’s face it not everyone’s cut out for that type of employment.

              This go’s hand in hand with how males are becoming physically weak these days. Those that do not do manual jobs are usually wimps and the heaviest thing they lift up is a pen. Used to be you had to put a bit of muscle into your work, get a bit of sweat going.

              A hard day’s physical work would kill a lot of these nancy types.

              • You can imagine a joke centre ‘adviser’ lasting very long in a manual job…🙂 in fact you can’t imagine a joke centre ‘adviser’ lasting very long in a REAL job …🙂

                • That’s true that!! Only thing they’re good for is trying to trip people up so’s they can screw them out of benefits money.

                  For a full month now for a first sanction i think.

                  Don’t like to swear on the net much but honestly they are some sad bastards in the DWP and JCP!

                • GEOFF REYNOLDS

                  I was wondering if the small earth tremor that was experienced in Rutland, could be down to the people celebrating the gigantic blip in the economy or a stampede on a food bank?
                  Strange to see the media condemning Mugabe as a vile dictator who oversaw the ethnic cleansing that led to the deaths of over 20,000……….

                  Perhaps he is locked in a battle with our DWP, to see who can kill the most?
                  At least we know his score, the DWP ARE KEEPING THEIRS A CLOSELY GUARDED SECRET FROM THE GENEVA CONVENTION………

  32. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED WHY THE OFFICE OF NATIONAL STATISTICS SAY’S ONLY WHAT THE POLITICIANS WANT IT TO SAY?

    THE UK IS SINKING FASTER THAN A LEAD BALLOON AND THE REST OF THE WORLD ARE FED LIES TO SUPPORT THE MYTH OF OUR EXPANDING ECONOMY!

    THE ONLY THING EXPANDING IN THE UK IS DEBT, HUNGER AND HOMELESSNESS, CLOSELY FOLLOWED BY DEPRESSION AT A SCALE NEVER SEEN BEFORE………………

    • Depression is biting and i feel it as well. I feel there’s no future ahead. All you can see is a big black hole into infinity.

      How can you feel anything else but low when you’re deemed not even worth the price of a loaf of bread or a pint of milk?

      The whole welfare system has been ruined and ripped to pieces. This whole ‘work for your benefit’ thing is gonna become ingrained in this country. Effectively you’ll end up with people working 40 HR weeks for dole money. That’s the road that they’ve gone down.

      • No black hole, no infinity.

        Reject their rules, take what is yours, fight with every ounce of strength in your body. Humiliate their agents, embolden your friends. Share excess wealth, get high and smile and laugh and blind the bastards with your inner light.

        Their days are numbered. The faster we truly believe in ourselves and our cause, the sooner they will have to capitulate. And fucking capitulate they will.

  33. But , they are still following their loan conditions as set out by The IMF and The world Bank.
    I am starting to bore myself rigged on this subject.
    Come on, there has to be someone out there working for a media company who has got the guts to stick their heads above the trenches and spill the beans, on where and who, Le British Government are borrowing their money from.,
    Or is it rocket science.

  34. “EXTRACT FROM A DWP REPLY TO ONE OF MY FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUESTS”

    Atos Healthcare use experienced actors who perform the role-play for scenarios approved as
    part of the training.
    HCPs are trained in communication skills and physical examination as part of the initial training.
    The purpose of the role play is to use these skills in action. The interview and assessment is
    critically reviewed by the trainer and the new HCP is given appropriate feedback.
    Unfortunately it is not possible to provide a specific answer as to the length of training completed
    by a HCP as the length of training depends on a number of factors including the employment
    status of the individual (whether sessional or full-time) and also on the benefit type of work the
    HCP has been employed to undertake. In addition, once the initial training has been completed
    they have to complete a number of assessments that meet a specified quality threshold.
    If you have any queries about this letter please contact me quoting the reference number above.

    …………….ATOS, THE DWP PREFERRED ASSASSINATION PARTNER…

    “THEY USE ACTORS FOR ROLE PLAY AND THE LENGTH OF TRAINING THAT A HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL HAS, DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF BENEFIT”

    • lmao daily mail steals food from foodbank in order to prove that other people *could* steal food from foodbank.

      #herpderp #brokenbrittun

      if i saw that journo in the street i’d throw loads of free food at him, he seems to enjoy it

      • Dear Mr Reynolds,

        FREEDOM OF INFORMATION

        Thank you for your Freedom of Information requests of 11 June in which you asked:

        Have any senior members or ministers with links to the Department of Works and Pensions received money from lobbying groups representing ATOS, UNUM, or any members of the Insurance Industry?
        Have any senior members or ministers declared payments from any of the above?
        If so please elucidate and explain why a conflict of interest was not declared.

        Have any senior members or ministers with links to the Department of Works and Pensions received money from lobbying groups representing ATOS, UNUM, or any members of the Insurance Industry?
        Have any senior members or ministers declared payments from any of the above?
        If so please elucidate and explain why a conflict of interest was not declared.

        Have any senior members or ministers with links to the Department of Works and Pensions received money from lobbying groups representing peripheral healthcare organisations such as CAPITA, SERCO etc, who have taken on roles within the parameters of Welfare Reforms?
        Have any senior members or ministers declared payments from any of the above?
        If so please elucidate and explain why a conflict of interest was not declared.

        Have any senior members or ministers with links to the Department of Works and Pensions received shares or gifts from lobbying groups representing ATOS, UNUM, or any members of the Insurance Industry?
        Have any senior members or ministers declared payments from any of the above?
        If so please elucidate and explain why a conflict of interest was not declared.

        Section 21 of the Freedom of Information Act allows us to direct you to information which is already reasonably accessible to you. Information held by this Department that you may find of use in relation to your request can be found at the attached link to the Department’s website

        https://www.gov.uk/search?tab=government-results&q=DWP+Ministers+gifts+

        https://www.gov.uk/search?tab=government-results&q=DWP+Ministers+hospitality+

        https://www.gov.uk/search?tab=government-results&q=dwp+senior+managers+hospitality

        The information for the period 1 January to 31 March will be published in due course. Section 22 of the Freedom of Information Act exempts from disclosure information that is intended for future publication.

        From records held by this Department no gifts have been received by senior managers from the groups you have mentioned.
        If you have any queries about this letter please contact me quoting the reference number above.
        Yours sincerely,

        DWP Central FoI Team

      • Sarah Twice,

        The Trussell Trust is the making work pay good cop, really do not welcome foodbanks as social security?

        Would much rather starve or be fed in prison than submit to the foodbank.

        • Hungry people should get food money. Money. Foodbanks are an insult, albeit sadly necessary for some now that the safety net had been pulled even further away.

          The food they give out is mostly different variations of chemically flavoured flour-and-water paste. They expect you to be grateful. Grateful!? They castigate, demonize and lie about the poorest people in society in order to justify taking away emergency food money, and then they expect gratitude for the unwanted crumbs from the masters table.

          Fuck their foodbanks.

    • overburdenddonkey

      samwise
      the story is a put up job…1, no corroboration that people “float about”, tis all hear say. 2, the “reporters” food voucher was issued by the CAB. 3, they made a big thing/fuss about the price and weight of food for 4 people for 3 days, processed and tinned food is expensive, some groceries cannot be divided into 3 days use, tinned food is heavy….fresh food would have weighed less, cost much less, and be much healthier…it would be far better to have heavily discounted supermarkets as in germany…but as the actual idea is deliberate deprivation, they prefer draconia…

  35. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    “anyone can make a simple mistake”

    YOU HAVE TO FEEL SORRY FOR DAVID CAMERON MAKING THE SILLY MISTAKE OF PUTTING A BANKRUPT IN CHARGE OF DISHING OUT 60 BILLION POUNDS………………………….

    IT WAS NEVER INTENTIONAL, JUST A MERE OVERSIGHT……..

    SIMILAR TO PUTTING HAROLD SHIPMAN IN CHARGE OF AN OLD PEOPLES HOME…….

    WHAT WAS POOR DAVID THINKING?
    SURELY IT WASN’T A KEY JOB, CRONYISM?

    WHAT WITH MARIA MILLER AND HER HAND IN THE TILL, THE EMERGENCE OF FOODBANKS HAVING NO LINK TO WELFARE CUTS AND THE THREAT OF MARCUS WELBY, THE ARCHBISHOP, HIGHLIGHTING POVERTY IN BRITAIN LATER TODAY…………

    FORGIVE ME BEING THICK, BUT THIS IS EXPECTED OF A YORKSHIRE MAN, BUT WHY AM I GETTING CONFLICTING NEWS?

    ON THE ONE HAND, ALL MY FRIENDS ARE BROKE TO THE POINT OF DEPRESSION, YET THE BBC ARE HERALDING THE RECOVERY.

    WHAT FUCKING RECOVERY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT/
    WOULD IT BE THE BOOST IN OUTPUT FROM NON EXISTENT JOBS OF THE WORKFARE MERRY GO ROUND OR THE SHOCK WAVES FROM FRACKING, YET TO HIT BOSCOMBE BAY?

    THE ECONOMY IS TURNING OK, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE GOING BACKWARDS AT A PACE FASTER THAN CHRISTOPHER LLOYDS DELOREAN CAR!

    POOR GIDIOT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE, BUT AS YET I HAVE NOTHING, NEITHER HAS MY FAMILY.

    LIVING ON £32.32 AND DECLARED DISABLED FOR LIFE, HAS ITS DOWNFALLS. LIKE THIS 2 MONTH OUT OF DATE CREAM CRACKER THAT I AM EATING AT THE MOMENT…………

    THEY MIGHT HAVE STOLEN MY DISABILITY BENEFITS USING A FLAWED AND BIASED MEDICAL REPORT FROM ATOS, BUT AT LEAST I HAVE MY CREAM CRACKER AND MY FAMILY TO SHARE IT WITH………

  36. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    if the equality act states that a disabled person has protected characteristics, how come our government are taking away the rights of disabled and are openly breaching legislation????
    The government have already been informed by the courts that they must abide by the terms of the equality act but why has nobody yet taken them to task on the issue?
    Regarding work capability tests, the government received a jab in the bollocks about the detrimental effects upon the persons having mental issues not being able to follow procedure……………….

    What about the persons with physical disabilities?

    Why be a signatory to the human rights act, yet continue to breach it at every level?

    Our welfare payments are way below the thresholds that are expected under the act, but are administered by the DWP like some sort of bonus!

    Under the terms of the freedom of information act, i asked the DWP if an exercise had ever been done to see if the £71 (THE AMOUNT DEEMED TO BE SUFFICIENT TO LIVE ON), had ever been done……………..

    To my surprise they answered by saying this;

    Dear Geoffrey Reynolds,

    Thank you for your Freedom of Information request received 26 April. You asked;

    Has an exercise ever been done to quantify if £71 would be enough to sustain a human being?

    PLEASE ANSWER, ITS NO GOOD WRITING “WE THINK ITS REASONABLE”

    answer;
    We are not aware of any exercises undertaken by Government on adequacy of benefits.

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      “AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY OUR PEOPLE ARE IMPOVERISHED AND TURNING TO FOODBANKS TO EXIST”

      a, THE AMOUNT PAID IS INSUFFICIENT AS EXPLAINED BY HUMAN RIGHTS COMMIISSIONERS……….

      b, AN EXERCISE ON ADEQUACY OF BENEFITS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BY THE UK GOVERNMENT.

      • We keep hearing about the Human Rights Act and the EU and the UK’s involvement in the EU. Why has nothing been done about benefit sanctions being allowed to be stripped from people leaving them with no money for food or a roof over their heads?

        We hear all the time about people that starve animals being prosecuted and rightly so but what about removal of benefits leading to humans starving? No one cares about that it seems. No one in the UK parliament and no one in the EU as it go’s on without stop.

        So a person gets sanctioned and gets no JSA what have they to do for a)food b)rent money for home? In effect as soon as they sanction you they are giving you a death sentence. How is that legal? Because the whole law and judicial system is crooked and weighted in their favor.

        You have no access to food so you die and they are the cause of it. That’s murder and they should be culpable for it. They would say well you never fulfilled your end of the JSA agreement. But is that an excuse for literally killing someone? I don’t think so.

        .

        • overburdenddonkey

          raining
          yes it is disappointing to say the least, my interpretation is as yours, the un’s, raquel rolnik supports our claims…under the echr and maybe even the ILO…..(although that does seem contradict itself under the treatment of prisoners, where a clear distinction is drawn as far as prisoners rights are concerned and by default non-prisoners rights..see NAPO, their challenge to the pretend uk govt on use of private contractors for management of prisoners and prisoners rights)…they stretch every clause to suit their purposes, unless they can be effectively challenged that is….which leaves us as being mere objects for use by the state, this must be wrong, for many obvious reasons….they use terms like “self governing state”, as a precursor to implementation of the of respective acts and clauses…but are we part of a self governing state? imo no!, what do you think? the ESC is clear that our benefits are 40% underpaid…we do have a right to benefits, but do they have a right to sanction or add conditionality to them in the way that they do, i think not…but one has to go without until appeal is dealt with, which is their power that causes one to want avoid sanctions with even deeper deprivations….our reaction to them is therefore to try avoid confrontation and trouble….we gain personal strength by resistance, we must also only aim to do what we can manage, but sometimes this grows bigger than we expected and becomes a tremendous strain…we can only do our best….sarah twice reply, to you and us, is good enough for me…..fight for your rights, and in doing so you’ll fight for mine…they are out to make our lives as unbearable as is possible…i hope my words help…
          http://skwalker1964.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/most-jobseeker-agreements-ruled-unlawful-and-the-dwp-doesnt-care/

        • Yes your right , its called Constructive suicide , and they should all be held responsible for it .

  37. We keep on hearing unemployment is decreasing yet no new jobs are forthcoming. We also hear immigration is being curtailed yet town centres are fast resembling third world slums. Time for Tory to actually tackle immigration methinks before they lose everyone that still votes for them to UKIP…

    • What about immigration? That’s not the problem in this country. You’re being robbed blind by the government, your welfare state is being dismembered in front of your eyes with your NHS well down the same road and you’re banging on about immigration and UKIP!!!!

      How are UKIP the solution to ANY of this country’s problems? All they seek to do is sow distrust of foreign people and deal in intolerance.

      Average UKIP supporter couldn’t tell you one policy they have, apart from the obvious one.

      UKIP: the last thing the UK ever needed.

      • It’s pathetic when people bitch about immigration. “Oh I was born here I deserve special treatment, almost as though I had something to do with being shat out on the patch of earth my mother birthed me onto. Even if I am stupider or more slow than a better candidate, I want, by right of birth alone, special treatment.”

        Whine whine whine piss moan bitch blah blah blah IMMUGRUNTS. The swan song of the bigoted white prick with no immediate future.

      • Agreed, Raining, plus UKIP are anti-women, they want to be rid of maternity leave, they are misogynisyt, homophobic c**nts, on top of all else!

  38. At this time of year a lot of single seasonal employees are back in their home countries before returning next season, and this plus sanctions pushes unemployment figures down, NOT anything else. The future prospect with Hi-tech is fewer and fewer jobs, and remaining jobs needing much higher skill levels, but no government is going to admit this very big truth.

  39. I asked my local Labour MP via Twitter, on which he had made a post extolling the virtues of the treacherous Labour party, why the whole front bench of the party had been instructed not to oppose the legislation being speeded through parliament overnight by IDS to retroactively change the law on Workfare. You know the bit i mean? The bit where judges had deemed the farce illegal and opened a can of worms for compensation claims.

    So this is a former shadow cabinet minister. In fact i think he’s still a member of the SC but there was a reshuffle and he was moved to another department.

    Anyway i await with anticipation the reasons as to why the Labour party colluded with IDS and the hated Tories to let this legislation sail through parliament unhindered, literally overnight, with not a whimper heard from Miliband, Balls and all the rest of the collaborators.

    As of right now i’ve had no reply!!!! Funny that!!!!!

  40. Should send him the nu-labour new danger poster for when milliband bliar mark 2 takes to power and decides to introduce a 1000 new bits of legislation to make it possible for the new Cameron cnt the 2nd to make a bunch of worse laws. The great democracy sham continues. Hoping many smaller parties get in this time and votes against the toff junta.

  41. Just seen a video showing the delights of the £330,000 a week Courchevel Edelweiss Ski Chalet! £330,000 for a week in a ski chalet – that’s more than Jobseekeers receive in JSA in a LIFETIME!

  42. Community Slave Programme (CWP)

    Yeah, like when Tory Bliar said that slavery had been abolished.

  43. Selection of Tribunal Members

    GEOFFREY REYNOLDS (Account suspended) made this Freedom of Information request to Her Majesty’s Courts and the Tribunals Service

    Response to this request is long overdue. By law, under all circumstances, Her Majesty’s Courts and the Tribunals Service should have responded by now (details). You can complain by requesting an internal review.
    From: GEOFFREY REYNOLDS (Account suspended)

    11 May 2013

    Dear Her Majesty’s Courts and the Tribunals Service,

    Your service purports to be “independent”. Could you please tell me
    if persons with links to ATOS or the DWP have ever sat on a
    tribunal bench when adjudicating on “ANY” type of benefit claim?

    Furthermore; who selects the members of the bench at a benefit
    claim and what scrutiny is given to ensure “independence” is
    adhered to?

    Yours faithfully,

    GEOFFREY REYNOLDS

    ……………………………………..THE REASON THEY NEVER GOT BACK TO ME IS FAIRLY EVIDENT,
    TRIBUNALS ARE NEITHER INDEPENDENT OR IMPARTIAL, NEVER HAVE BEEN, NEVER WILL BE……………..
    THREE AGAINST ONE EVERY TIME…………..

    • Yes I found out myself the methods they use (the dwp ) , they use disappearing phone numbers , Cagey with the addresses , no information can be found and if it is its out of date and a new number and address is needed , you find this out after waiting 6 months for an appeal reply only to find it hasn’t been logged .they then tell you about the time limit to appeal , lucky for me I had a copy of the appeal request logged with Cit Advice , and it was sent within the 13 week dead line , so I sent it again ,then I get a phone call asking me about my illness filled another form in over the phone , then months down the line again I get another letter saying ime due for an ATOS medical so it all just got ignored and now its off to the place where you can go half eaten by a lion on a stretcher and still only get zero points . The place that asks you to move your finger then sends you off for a typists job .All done by a Nurse who calls your doctors and you a fake and fabricator . The scary thing is , its not Atos whos the main problem , its the DWP as they are or simply must be throwing letters in the bin and spinning round in leather chairs laughing .at everyone struggling to survive . They please them self if people get a payment or not .

  44. Yeah it wouldn’t surprise me if the ATOS announcements was a cynical attempt to quieten things down because people think they’re quitting.

    Meanwhile the cull go’s on.

    Believe it when i see it.

    • So there we see it , and falling unemployment is bad for everyone ,one good reason that comes to mind is the fact that their is no work ! so if if the unemployment figures are falling then something pretty fishy is going on . not to mention the fact that most workplaces in the uk is a very sticky place indeed , where people get the job by mistake than get shoved out the job by the” in crowd” in order to keep the place for a relative , then it leaves the one subjected to constructive dismissal to face the Jobcentre plus ready for 4 weeks of sanctions , and this is only one example of why their system stinks , everyone is being driven backwards into the 1800s , work house conditions and sarcasm is brewing, the sick and disabled are being put in work related activity groups and have to report every two weeks (PROBATION) .their system is leaving the door wide open for bad employers to get even worse ,The ones in power know what they are doing as they are franticly getting rid of legal aid so no one can sue for the way they are treated . all shoved through a cattle grid system with the words SLACKER branded on the forehead .The Bankers are running around laughing like lunatics throwing money over their shoulders as they go , Big businesses are going over seas to trade with cheap labour As the money leaves the country on the fast train rail network purposely built to remove the Gold of the land , the workers pay for the capital lost with £6 a gallon petrol . Private prisons are being built for a place to put the mentally ill , all the bad debtors ,the Atos rejects , bad workers and bad bloggers and anyone else who don’t quite fit in to Monty Python flying fruit farm .All this will be paid for by the tax payers and the ones brainwashed by the media into thinking its all normal . The result will be once all the money has gone out the place , it will become a dumping ground for toxic waste and toxic people , Passports that are now digital will be cancelled and anyone with no savings will be left to chase chickens in rags the imprisoned for stealing chickens , the sick and disabled will be made into Protein biscuits then handed out to the unemployed . All on the smiling taxpayers back who have had half their brain removed via fluoridisation.

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