Employers failing to provide tax information on time or going out of business could lead to vital in-work benefits going unpaid Lord Fraud confirmed in a speech this week.
When Universal Credit is finally introduced (stop laughing) it will replace almost all current in-work benefits including Child and Working Tax Credits, along with Housing Benefits.
Unlike the current system, benefit rates will be calculated monthly based on tax information sent to the DWP by employers. This had led to concerns that if employers fail to send in PAYE information on time, or go out of business, then benefits will go unpaid or be paid at the wrong rate. Lord Fraud confirmed that this would be the case in his speech this week when he said:
“the new PAYE in real time system has been designed to support Universal Credit payments. 99% of employers are now reporting their PAYE in real time every month. Not only does it prevent fraud, it ensures that every person who is in work on Universal Credit has their award automatically adjusted every month, based on these returns. So it’s absolutely crucial that you as employers report this accurately, as this will affect the payments of claimants.”
So should you have a dispute with your employer, or get the sack, then your boss will have the power to fuck up your claim for benefits. For those with the most unscrupulous employers the implications are terrifying. Join a union, or complain about working conditions, and your employer will soon be able to stop your Housing Benefit and make you homeless.
Not to worry though because Lord Fraud suggested that under Universal Credit people could have multiple zero hours contracts instead of real jobs. According to the minister these kind of contracts: “support business flexibility, they provide entry to work for young people and give people the flexibility to combine work with other commitments”.
In-work conditionality rules under Universal Credit will mean part-time workers face Jobcentre harassment and benefit sanctions to force them to constantly look for a better paid job or more work elsewhere. They could even be sent on workfare in the hours they aren’t working. This would make accepting many zero hours contracts – which require staff to be available for work at any time and at short notice – impossible for claimants. Lord Fraud’s answer to this particular fuck up – which could see people sanctioned for failing to apply for a zero hours position, and then sanctioned again when they get the job and can no longer meet their claimant commitment – is that people can have more than one zero hours contract. Which of course doesn’t solve anything, but Lord Fraud is hoping no-one notices.
The real reason for Universal Credit, which is to create a flexible, casualised workforce, was at the heart of Lord Fraud’s speech this week. The new system will make it “easier to recruit – particularly when it comes to part time positions or for temporary work” and allow employers to find “more people willing to take on irregular work”.
Universal Credit is a blueprint for exploitation, forcing all low paid employees into a desperate competition for worst kind of insecure, casual work. Step out of line for a second, and you will be sanctioned and face absolute destitution. Despite the endless propaganda, this is not just an attack on those out of work, it is an attack on everyone’s pay and conditions. As Lord Fraud’s speech confirmed this week, this is welfare reform designed to help your boss, not you.
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Wow – thank God this will never happen, eh? These two, Freud and Smith, are like cartoon characters, scheming away at world domination and never able to achieve it due to their unending incompetence.
big bill
you read my mind, or is it that common sense prevails..should be the gang of 3…as their mate dave promises to cut red tape by increasing it…. even schroeder’s cat can’t move that fast…reforming tory policies quicker than a speeding atom decays, only to reform in a different place again, but each time slightly different….don’t these people talk to each other, this dysfunctionality, must need the help and support of bensons marriage guidance principles…UC must bring a sigh of relieve to struggling small businesses..
http://www.scotsman.com/news/the-scotsman-cartoon-cameron-cuts-red-tape-1-3283671
Like Pinky and the Brain, the two mice that want to take over the world.
ALREADY WE HAVE A DWP DECISION MAKER WHO HAS THE POWER TO ADJUDICATE ON A PERSONS ILLNESS OR DISABILITY BY SCRUTINISING A QUESTIONNAIRE………………….
HOW CAN THIS BE ACCEPTED, I HEAR YOU ALL SAY?
BECAUSE WE ARE BEING BRAINWASHED INTO THINKING THIS IS ACCEPTABLE, THAT’S WHY!!!!
A GLORIFIED PEN PUSHER MAKING A DECISION ON THE VERY BASIS OF A HUMAN BEINGS LIVELIHOOD, SOON IT WILL BE ACCEPTABLE FOR A TERRAPIN TO MAKE A DECISION IN A COURT OF LAW…….
A PERSONS G.P. SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN MAKING A DECISION ON A PERSONS ABILITY TO WORK, YET THE DWP BEND THE RULES TO SUIT THEMSELVES.
THEY CLAIM THAT IF A PERSON WHO HAS A DISABILITY AND FAILS A CAPABILITY FOR WORK TEST, HE OR SHE MUST CONSULT A DOCTOR TO GET A NOTE THAT STATES THEY ARE NOT FIT TO WORK IN ORDER THAT THEY CAN CLAIM A BENEFIT………………
THE LAW CLEARLY STATES THAT A DOCTOR/G.P. CANNOT MAKE A DECISION ON A PERSONS FITNESS TO WORK, THEY CAN ONLY OFFER ADVICE THAT MAY ENABLE THEM TO GET BACK INTO WORK.
I STAND IN THIS POSITION AT THE MOMENT, I AM REGISTERED DISABLED FOR LIFE, YET HAVE BEEN REFUSED MY ESA BENEFIT AFTER A WORTHLESS ATOS MEDICAL REPORT.
THE DWP SAY, QUOTE;
“A STATEMENT OF FITNESS FOR WORK IS REQUIRED FROM YOUR GP.
WE CANNOT PAY THIS BENEFIT WITHOUT SUCH A STATEMENT”
AND YET IN A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST TO THE DWP, THEY QUOTE THIS:
“It is vital that these two roles are kept separate and that GPs are not asked to provide opinion
on their patient for the purpose of receiving the Employment and Support Allowance (ESA);
doing so could damage the doctor-patient relationship.”
In the decision dated 2 July 2013 (ref VTR2728/13), it was confirmed that General
Practitioners are not trained to make an assessment on a person’s capability for work
according to legislation.
…………………………………………………………………………………………………
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THE DWP DO NOT BOTHER TO ADHERE TO INFORMATION THEY GIVE OUT UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION.
I AM HAVING TO ATTEND TWO TRIBUNALS AND HAVE BEEN LIVING ON £32.32P PER WEEK SINCE LAST JULY.
ONE TRIBUNAL STATES I AM FIT FOR WORK AND I HAVE TO DEFEND THIS, WHILST THE OTHER TRIBUNAL ACCEPTS THAT I HAVE DISABILITIES (DISABLED FOR LIFE), BUT THEY DECIDED TO STOP MY PAYMENTS BECAUSE I FAILED TO FILL IN A QUESTIONNAIRE ABOUT MY CONDITION…………………………
………….EVEN THOUGH 4 OF THEIR OWN DOCTORS HAVE ALREADY STATED MY CONDITION WILL NOT CHANGE IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE AND I AM INCAPABLE OF ALL WORK!
“NO WONDER PEOPLE ARE COMMITTING SUICIDE ON A GRAND SCALE”
PERSECUTION OF THE WEAKEST IS RIFE IN THE UK………..
Terrapins already make decisions in a court of law.
terapins???? terrapins are cute and useful!
http://www.wikihow.com/Turn-Off-Caps-Lock
This is what happens when decisions are taken by atos and these assessments. only a gp has a medical history of the patient over a lifetime,not a puppet/profit/cost cutting/self interested outfit.
http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/10628897.Disabled_man_suffers__mini_stroke__during_job_centre_interview/
Amidst the horror of that case note that the JC+ staff kept putting the poor chap on his back (he could easily have died in that position) and he himself was struggling to put himself in the recovery position. JC+ staff can kill you in more ways than one.
The JC+ Adviser could have suggested he appealed after mandatory recon’ but hey ho, much more fun to watch someone have a stroke or a seizure. Seeing claimants merely looking miserable and frightened isn’t entertaining enough for them any more
I live in Scarborough, Northern England, and have been married to a Thai lady, a nurse, for over two years.
Despite two applications for visas, i am still being denied the right for her to, even, visit me in the uk.
At present i am without work, laid off due to the recession. The home office have told me, in no uncertain terms, that my wife is not allowed over here till i earn an income of at least £18600 per year.
Love should have no boundaries such as this, surely it is illegal to stop a married couple being together.
A times i feel depressed and suicidal. It’s bad enough being without work, it’s pure cruelty being without my bride.
FOR FUCKS SAKE TODDY, DON’T GET A SANCTION. THEY WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU HANGING ON THE PARAPET OF A BRIDGE OR STARING DOWN AT SHOTGUN CARTRIDGES.
Welcome to the new age, Neo Nazi corporatism, built on eugenics, fascism and control doctrine. Divide & conquer, social Darwinism.
Because the man with the money and the power is always right, right?
drew
i think that they need more fibre in their diets…
WHAT ABOUT THE LITTLE KNOWN ATTACHMENT TO THE FLAGSHIP (TITANIC) UNIVERSAL CREDIT……………
SAFE HAVENS IN TAX, OR S.H.I.T. FOR SHORT…………….
THIS EXTENSION ENABLES PROMINENT POLITICIANS, BANKERS, HEDGE FUND MANAGERS, CORRUPT KIDDY FIDDLING JUDGES, HIGH RANKING POLICE OFFICIALS AND THOSE OF AN ATTITUDE WHO THINK THEY BEYOND THE SCOPE OF UK TAX, TO STASH ELSEWHERE……….
THE GOVERNMENT, IN THEIR WISDOM, HAVE ORGANISED A HUGE UNIT OF TAX DEFRAUD SPECIALISTS TO BRING AN END TO THE BLATANT EVASION……………
THE UNIT, CONSISTING OF FOUR MEN, (YES ONLY FOUR), HAVE PUT FEAR INTO THE MAIN PERPETRATORS OF THIS TERRIBLE ACT.
ALREADY ,THEY HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ON WHO NOT TO INVESTIGATE, TURNING A BLIND EYE AT EACH AND EVERY OPPORTUNITY.
ONE OF THE CRACK TEAM, HAS SAID, “RATHER THAN LOOK FURTHER AFIELD, IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT THAT IT IS EASIER TO SANCTION WELFARE CLAIMANTS”
I AM UNSURE WHAT HE MEANT BY THIS, BUT HAVE BEEN ASSURED HIS THREE COLLEAGUES WILL GO AS FAR AS GETTING PASSPORTS TO CHALLENGE NEW HORIZONS…………
PEOPLE IN JERSEY ARE SAID TO BE QUAKING IN THEIR BOOTS, AS ARE THE CAYMAN ISLANDERS AND OTHER SAFE HAVENS…………
“WE WILL GET TO THE VERY BOTTOM OF THIS NON PAYMENT OF TAX CULTURE” HE STATED AS HE WALKED PAST STARBUCKS, WHILST GOOGLING AN ORDER TO AMAZON, STANDING OUTSIDE ONE OF PHILIP GREEN’S SHOPS…………………..
geoff
power to the people! now the curtain twitching employers can have total power of overseers, to the lives of the working classes…how quaint, complaints about any subject will be strictly, firmly and speedily dealt with, by employers…a profiled list of those waiting outside the “factory gates” is readily available, for a small admin fee of course….the uk plc “making work pay, striving for fairness and equality”….
IDS beadle bungle………………..
“what boy? you want more………..”
“Food glorious food(bank)”.
sn
hows this poverty is now caused by food banks
http://welfarenewsservice.com/food-banks-make-people-poorer-says-former-tory-mp/
Ah, so that’s why the levels of self-satisfaction … all the hospitality her family have been lucky enough to benefit from. It must have been a real adventure for them over the years…
“I’m home! & I’ve saved some curled-up-at-the-edges egg mayonnaise sandwiches from today’s reception for tea (again) … (Don’t worrry about making anything for me; I’m completely stuffed …)”
No wonder food banks signify a ‘free lunch’ to Cruella, not a lifeline.
(this was meant to be further down)
sn
indeed!
OBD what is the difference between Margaret Thatcher and Edwina Currie?
One screwed the Miners the other screwed Majors.
sn
i detect not a trace of scorn, nor irony in your tone 🙂 edwina curry conducts the yorkshire miners brass band “if i were a rich (wo)man”
obd
that’s not my comment/joke but it’s a good one. It’s enough having to listen to the current monsters in government without the generation who paved the way for them rolling around again like bad pennies (Tebbit, Curry et al) …. &/but where there’s muck, there’s brass.
sn
just had another horrible thought…former tories trolling the media, too horrible to mentioned who, enough shocks for one day…
i’ve only just realised that i was replying to stilloaks, and not shirls, my apologies, to you both… 🙂
obd – Just read the link, I just cannot get my head round people like Edwina Currie other than they are class A wankers and evil.
Her beliefs are based on stereotyping nothing else, the bitch has no clue and clearly does not want one either.
elo….
shows the staggering contrast up very clearly, that the world that they inhabit, is so utterly different than to ours…that they actually have the gaul, to blame us for being in the poverty that they created, shows up the great divide so well…
obd,
Edwina has always come across as really full of herself. She thinks everything’s rosy because in her own little mind/world, it probably is.
Typical dickensian, ‘Why can’t people just be more grateful for what they have and try a little bit harder – then they can be more like me!’
sn
well lookee here…
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/edwina-currie-happy-demonise-food-3098755#.Uu0oMixFC00
The woman is an extremely vile, greedy, parasitic scumbag .
As for her sexploits with JM, eughhh – they should be left well n truly in the past they turn my stomach as much as she does herself.
She has just been on the record recently saying that the attraction (if that’s the right word) was mainly to do with someone in a position of power being interested in her & that was flattering in and of itself. A Monica Lewinsky of our very own but without any of the excuses of being younger/vulnerable/easily persuadable etc.
Cue …
Curry Shagging Major by Richard Russell
if you’ve eaten something funny
and there’s earthquakes in your tummy
and you’ll soon be meeting mr toilet rim
but you need something to start you off
something to prompt that messy cough
and a thought appears to make your sore head swim:
it’s only…..curry shagging major
curry shagging major …
Read the whole thing here http://www.creativityeast.com/richardrussell/curryshaggingmajor.htm
“curry shagging major, curry shagging major
you couldn’t think more nauseous if rupert murdoch paid you”
meanwhile back edwina land… #bigbenefitsrow http://agirlcalledjack.com/2014/02/04/dear-edwina-thankyou-for-last-night-i-hope-it-was-as-good-for-you-as-it-was-for-me-bigbenefitsrow/
Zero hours contracts is taking us back to the bad old days when we used to congregate outside the factory gates at 5am eagerly waiting to find out if we would be lucky enough to be ‘chosen’ by the gaffer for a days hard graft. Back in those days too it was tougher if you were a married man especially with kids cos the single guys would undercut you for the work.
old timer
don’t forget to take your brass tally to the labour exchange as proof you were not working….
Look no further than the City of London.
Or the Vatican bank.
Or Wall Street.
Hi
Tried to follow the link Geoff but, you have to be on Facebook to get to.
What is the link expressing?
I am not on facebook either, sorry.
The HMRC RTI is a joke.
Despite employers being forced to make PAYE entries as and when the payroll is done, and thus HMRC knows the details… who is the Jobcentre currently going after for the work information? Yes, the employer.
Employers are currently being asked to provide wage details of newly signed on jobseekers (where there is doubt or perhaps its procedure) before these jobseekers are able to get paid.
Basically, its almost 2 weeks before the request is mailed out… the employer then has to receive it – that is about a week for postal delivery time and the time the mail gets processed at the average sized business… the employer/HR department then needs to find out the details of the past employees pay… and fill the details in – adds about a couple of days – then it gets sent off in the prepaid envelope… which is second class… to a processing centre at royal mail before its actually forwarded on to the jobcentre… which is around another 2 weeks.
This is around 6 weeks… why are they not currently asking HMRC for the details? Probably grabbing it from a database system the DWP has access to.. could take between 10 minutes (electronically) and a week (if done via the post).
On to this universal credit… I think its terrible that they are shafting benefit claimants when HMRC is at fault or the employer is late or failing to file. Seems a “feature” of the new system rather than an overlooked flaw.
I am sure many readers on here are only too well aware of the headaches regarding tax codes and issues with HR departments (such as lack of payment or underpayments). it is shocking this will have a knock on effect for benefits too.
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Latest news from the asylum – inmates still in control.
Don’t worry folks. Universal Credit is like the Second Messiah. In two thousand years we’ll still be waiting for one or the other of them to arrive. Personally my bet is on the Messiah. Universal Credit seems a little to implausible to be true as far as I can see.
IAIN DUNCAN SMITH WAS LOOKING OUT OF THE WINDOW AND SPOTTED A HEARSE AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS……….
“IS THAT ONE OF MINE, HE ASKED HIS SECRETARY?”
“SHOULD THINK SO”, SHE REPLIED…………………..
“FOURTEEN THOUSAND AND COUNTING”
“WILL ANYONE HAVE NOTICED”
IAIN SUDDENLY JUMPED BACK UPON SEEING A RED DOT ON HIS SHIRT………..
“ITS ONLY A LADYBIRD”……………….
THE CORONERS REPORT STATED IT WAS A CLEAN SHOT, BUT A WASTE OF A VERY EXPENSIVE SHIRT……………
SEE WHO
IT RAINED HEAVILY AT THE FUNERAL. THE MOURNERS, HAVING JUST SIGNED ON, MADE IT CLEAR TO THE VICAR, THAT THEY BOTH WORKED IN THE CEMETERY, CASH IN HAND OF COURSE.
ALL THREE WALKED AWAY CRYING, KNOWING THEIR OVERTIME HAD JUST ENDED.
THE GATEKEEPERS AT HELL WERE NOWHERE TO BE SEEN, HAVING BEEN SANCTIONED THE WEEK BEFORE.
A GARGOYLE DRIPPING WITH BOILS AND HAVING AN ENORMOUS HUNCHBACK, SHOUTED;
“WE DON’T WANT THAT CUNT DOWN, TAKE HIM TO A LANDFILL”
AS THEY TOSSED THE LIFELESS BODY ONTO THE PILE OF ROTTING WASTE, A VOICE WAS HEARD TO SAY…………….
“TEACH THAT BASTARD TO WALK OUT OF A DEBATE ON FOODBANKS”
A SEAGULL PECKED AWAY AT AN OLD NEWSPAPER TO REVEAL ESTHER’S FACE……….
TOGETHER AT LAST…………………
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“Universal Credit is a blueprint for exploitation, forcing all low paid employees into a desperate competition for worst kind of insecure, casual work. ” Agreed – and, even though it’s a hopelessly expensive pipe dream that will never become a reality, the philosophy behind it – ” to create a flexible, casualised workforce” – will continue to inform Coalition employment policy until the end of this Parliament, and beyond, if anyone is stupid enough to vote them back into office in 2015.
“The real reason for Universal Credit, which is to create a flexible, casualised workforce, was at the heart of Lord Fraud’s speech this week.”
What happened to sustainable employment? starting the work programme at A4e we were told we would be hearing that a lot.
Its all about just bulling people out of the job centre today, through intimidation and any other means. even if it means rummaging in a skip,the disabled are very much more prone because its difficult for them to find work and are more easily intimidated.
But will Labour undo any of the damage inflicted upon us by the Tories? Will they fuck!
How do you know? Are you a leading member of the Labour Party?
mike s
very likely not, although i can’t be 100% certain, but i can be certain that we are leaders of our own minds…please convince me that any words a politician speaks now, will not be changed/altered at a later date, and that the words that they speak now, and will have to make good on, are actually useful in creating social equity/justice for all, (human rights to vitals and human rights in general are the foundation stone of socialism) in the uk…..ie 4m real jobs with a real future, real wages that will ensure a decent standard of living and/or a realistic formulation of benefits systems, that will mitigate the very real prospect of long term unemployment being a long term feature of our economy in this early part of the 21st century, as it is currently constructed/constituted…i will not accept the words faith or trust…i do not accept hobsons choice neither…we must have real change that will bring (decent living standards), sustainable futures for all…ie a redistributive economy…many millions are in “in work”, poverty…over 50% of the 13m people in poverty have a job…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25287068
You know I can’t do that. Nor can I, in good faith, tell anybody that Labour won’t follow through on pre-election promises. Nobody can say that for sure.
What we know is that both David Cameron and Nick Clegg lied in their policy promises before the 2010 election. They did so knowingly and deliberately in order to secure your votes by deception. That is why people do not trust politicians of any colour – because those in office at the moment committed fraud to get there.
mike s
clever answer that puts the onus on me to answer my own questions….but the questions i ask still stand however difficult they are to answer…
any party that in future who wants our votes must earn that privilege…and they must start right now, they’ll have to show the electorate, that they can be trusted and work extremely hard to convince the whole electorate, of that…so how do they convince us the electorate, what should be their 1st steps be? for me it should be to acknowledge now, the truth of the questions, i put in my post above…. they must become highly visible, as our humble servants….
I reckon we need a really strong campaign to get ‘None of the above’ inserted as a box in our ballot papers, with a fresh election offering new candidates if a majority of the voters put their ‘X’ in that box.
mike s
in absolute agreement…… 🙂
ps mike s…on further consideration, i would lower the majority to a minority threshold of 33% or perhaps even 25%, to incentivise, the political parties putting the right policies forward in the 1st place…
It would be hard enough to get anyone in power to accept a ‘none of the above’ box in the first place! Let’s not try to overstretch ourselves.
mike s
there you go then, hard enough to convince those in power ie them not in power = us…we the people should be in power, they our humble servants…
Going by past experience. It was Labour who first introduced Benefit sanctions and signing-on conditions and it was Labour that forced me to attend New Deal FIVE FUCKING TIMES. Rachel Reeves has promised to be “tougher on Welfare than the Tories”. I’ll be voting Green.
So you don’t know, then. Reeves’ remark was taken out of context; she was of course referring to social security abuse.
mike s
i always refer to, my post of today to yourself…
so already you point to agreement between the present regime and the new, new labour party mk3 special limited edition….what social security abuse?
ps mike s
missing word “my 1st post of today to your self”…
Benefit fraud, of course!
I made no reference to any agreement between the Coalition and Labour. There is none, to my knowledge.
mike s
benefit fraud is 0.7%, more is lost in admin errors, and currently £12bln + goes unclaimed…and in fact many people are misled into not claiming because they are told that they are not entitled…see geoff’s heartbreaking post below..
Yes I know. But that’s all she was talking about.
mike s
well that was a waste of breath on her behalf then wasn’t it, because it does form a direct reference/link to current tory rhetoric on the subject…one that she was best not making…
I can certainly agree with that! It was extremely ill-advised.
mike s
but she did and she did it to bolster her other points..ie to fall into line with opinion polls on the subject, of being tough on something or another, and it has backfired on her…we all knee jerk, but it is best not to do it so publicly as she did…they really need to step away from reacting to the tories…
I would certainly agree that Labour needs to stop reacting to Tories and start talking about what’s really going on.
mike s
i believe that is what a lot of people would love to see…but it is up to them to become a party worthy of our votes….poverty is not solved by denying it’s causes, and they have to convince the electorate of that…it is not a lost cause, to cure poverty, in a reasonable and humane way…it is art for arts sake, imho greatest achievement of harold wilson was the ou…the industrial schooling mind set, currently being undertaken needs an anti-dote….
For anyone engaging with Mike Sivier, please remember that he considers that anyone who disagrees with him or calls him out on his hypocrisy (supporting sanctions) is no more than a “dribbler”.
This offensive term is often applied by the ignorant to those with learning disabilities or physical disabilities. Many of the comments on The Void come from people who are sick and disabled. Perhaps there is a secret instruction from Labour HQ to labour supporters that it’s ok to be abusive to the sick and disabled because it fits so well with the planned labour version of workfare, due to be implemented if they get into power in 2015?
Mike Sivier’s wife is sick/disabled. I wonder if he refers to her as a “dribbler” ? I do hope not.
There is no such instruction from Labour (certainly not to me), and if I made such references to any individual it was based entirely on the merits of their own comments.
It seems Lucy has an agenda, though.
Actually Mike Sivier, you made the comment on your own blog, Vox Political, in the comments section and you referred to those who disagreed with your full support of benefit sanctions as “dribblers”. The comment made it clear that you were referring to everyone who disagreed with you, not just an individual.
You removed my comment calling you out but not before another poster here, had read it and remarked positively to it, on The Void.
It seems that we “dribblers” are sharper than you would like and any agenda you may imagine I have is solely about calling out those who run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.
Now, run along, back to your blog and delete the comment you made calling everyone who comments on The Void, “dribblers”
You wouldn’t want the media seeing you use hate language, now would you?
I said I had been defending my views against opinons that were little more than knee-jerk dribblings. I stand by that comment.
I didn’t say anyone was a “dribbler” and if, by attributing such comments to me, you were trying to make me seem like some discriminatory type, you’d better come up with more solid evidence. I was referring to the words used and the attitude in which they were employed – not to the people using them.
It is also important to note that I was perfectly prepared to debate the pros and cons of the policy under discussion in a rational way; my complaint was against those who adopted an irrational tone and decided to attack me personally. People like yourself.
For example: What does any of this character assassination have to do with Universal Credit?
Mike Sivier, I didn’t attack you personally and you know it.
These comments from you are redolent of the typical response of a bully when they are called out on their behaviour…
“I’m not a bully, I’m a victim, it’s those people being bullies, it’s not me, it’s not fair” – you cry!
I called you out on your support for benefit sanctions, your sucking up to neoliberal Labour politicians who support hammering the disabled, the sick and the unemployed, the fact that you deleted my comment from your blog and replaced it with a comment from you referring to those who disagreed with you as “dribblers”
…and yes, I did suggest that your support of a ludicrous, proposed employment scheme from Labour, indicates that you are seeking media opportunities. Don’t feel bad about that, there are other bloggers who are doing the same. The lure of the media, is strong and I guess you are only human.
At no point did I use an irrational tone towards you.
Unfortunately, your previous career in local journalism seems to have left you with the inability to realise that just because you once contributed to a local newspaper, it gives you no special importance or status. You are just another dribbler Mike in the eyes of those who you seek to impress.
Mike Sivier, no one made you the boss.
You publish your comments in an open field, just like the rest of us. Those comments are open to response from others. You got a set of responses that you didn’t like. You threw a tantrum. You adjusted your comments on your own blog to hide the fact that you cannot take a challenge.
Says it all really.
I see you still have nothing to say about Universal Credit.
Lucy, I can’t be bothered with you. You seem to be determined to attack me, any way you can, and life’s too short. Carry on if you want – you’ll be talking to yourself.
…and just so you don’t waste energy moaning that I haven’t answered your question about how all this relates to UC.
Everyone who claims any kind of benefit and works part time, or works in a minimum wage job, anyone who claims JSA, ESA will suffer terribly due to the implementation of UC.
When large groups of people are suffering, it is, at the very least unhelpful that one person (who previously wrote a very good blog with integrity, calling out corruption and injustice) should show himself to support the ideology of benefit sanctions.
Sanctions, if you hadn’t noticed, have cause untold (and told) misery and even death for those who have been on the end of them. Sanctions are used to destroy lives. You support this, ergo you reveal yourself as one of those who is keen on divide and rule. You simply cannot have it both ways, if you support benefit sanctions, then you support harm to vulnerable people being caused.
As for your belief that I am intent on assassinating your character (see my previous comments on how bullies respond to being called out on their behaviour) – I am not in any way assassinating your character or your credibility. You are doing a fine job of that, yourself.
I know you will read this as the swiftness of your response tells me you are getting email updates.
Your elevated arrogance is astounding and reveals so much about your motives.
You know well that you have been caught out running with the hare and hunting with the hounds, and you don’t like it one bit.
You won’t engage because you know you don’t have a leg to stand on.
Lucy,
Personal attacks should always be scornfully condemned – whether or not they have occurred… whereas behind-hand/sotto voce-political, (non-specified) put-downs are completely different … they can easily be explained-away as ‘reasonable’ (?!).
Then again, the Labour party are Not the same as the Tories.
I’m not particularly concerned about social security abuse, as it is insignificant in comparison to what is stolen daily by the Rich. What I am concerned about is the abuse of power by unelected bureaucrats like Lord Fraud who undermine Democracy by working for both/either Labour and/or Tory.
Couldnt agree more LP
your right landless we now have to choose who we want to shaft us,i for one would rather be shafted by ANYBODY except these greedy heartless fuckers resign em to history
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“So should you have a dispute with your employer, or get the sack, then your boss will have the power to fuck up your claim for benefits”.
And don’t try talking to ACAS – they will only tell you that if you have been sacked, you’re only entitled to two weeks pay, unless you’re part of a union.
Well this is horrifying.
The other half and I were unemployed for almost 3 years after I got made redundant and his temp agency went belly-up. He got full time work (on a rolling temp contract but at least the hours are consistent and it’s actually a bit above min wage!) a few months ago and I am honestly, so relieved. Nothing full time or perm for me yet, but with one steady income into the house I can at least afford to be flexible while many don’t have that option.
Being unemployed was already a slow, creeping horror of an experience – the stress, the anxiety, struggling to pay basic expenses and feeling like I was going to cry every time the government stripped another few £ from our already bare-bones budget. I honestly don’t know how we’d have coped if this new scheme had come in.
We were lucky – moved onto G4S for unemployment but the staff were decent and used common sense, and were realistic about stuff like zero hour contracts and the like. I’d be terrified to find myself needing to sign on again, now.
THINK AS ONE;
Government /history repeating itself:
“In the year this paper was published, 1932, the total number of unemployed in Britain stood at 2,750,000 and the government introduced legislation which brought further hardship to the massed ranks of the unemployed and their families. Unemployment benefit was cut by 10% across the board and the government introduced the means test.”
http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/redclyde/redcly170.htm
And yet here we sit, giving our comments, writing our blogs etc. when something, anything must be done!
I agree that UC will not happen, but it’s the wasted money that gets me so angry! IDS gets away with it again and again – it’ll happen again on Monday 3rd Feb. when he is recalled to the committee to answer questions on his incompetence!
He must have one hell of a hold over Cameron!
jaypot ian smith has nothing over cameron,cameron is like all dictators he needs “henchman” ian smith is one,he does the dirty work while cameron smoozzes morning itv with a smile,maybe its a case of keeping your friends close and enemies closer typical etonian behaviour
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And yet here we sit, giving our comments, writing our blogs etc. when something, anything must be done!
I agree that UC will not happen, but it’s the wasted money that gets me so angry! IDS gets away with it again and again – it’ll happen again on Monday 3rd Feb. when he is recalled to the committee to answer questions on his incompetence!
He must have one hell of a hold over Cameron!
So if your boss can’t do it correctly? Or deliberately fiddles the books by under/over stating your hours worked and wage? To dodge tax or to avoid paying people? Or to look like they were open when they were not?
Or you are black and your boss is a racist? Or gay and your boss is a homophobe? Or female and your boss is pestering you for sex but you refused? Or you are disabled, have a learning disability or a mental health problem? Also easier to exploit you if you and your boss only speak 2 different languages.
What if your ‘boss’ is a disabled person you’re the carer of? What if the business can’t afford the extra postage costs, time and hassle, or is one person? Could they sack you if they ‘just don’t want all the extra hassle’?
Or conversely in a huge organisation it’s very easy to lose people’s details, get things wrong, or cause inequalities by ‘treating everyone the same’ (discriminating against those it disadvantages). If something is irregular or more complicated about you or your work, they might decide to sack you for being awkward or not fitting the pattern/statistics. If it is temporary, or very short duration work and/or with multiple workers, the admin could require 2 extra fulltime paid staff just to sort it out! (tax and pay etc.)
YOU know when you worked or didn’t. I’ve had any number of past employers who have a) Said I was there when I wasn’t, though I pointed out this was fraud, and sometimes paid me for phantom work and sometimes didn’t (not consistent or logical).
Or b) Said I wasn’t there when I was, and said I only worked a fraction of the hours I did, so they could cook the books and underpay me on purpose.
I knew of a young woman working at a shop, UK citizen by birth, White British, Christian, straight, physically mostly ablebodied. Not a ‘troublemaker’ or political. She was being treated badly by her bosses, and they were paying her a fraction of minimum wage. They told her to shut up or they’d sack her and she’d never get another job, and that she should be grateful she had this job and that they were paying her anything at all.
They also told her because of who she is, they did not have to pay her minimum wage, as only ‘people/real people/normal people’ had to be paid minimum wage in law. She has learning difficulties. THAT is the only reason they exploited her.
something/s
be assured these things come from the mouth’s of tories…who constantly reiterate…we don’t need employment legislation, coz if the employee is a good worker, no boss in their right mind would sack ’em….don’t you feel better already?
We had a job for a carer advertised with the jobcentre for three months from September to December last year, with contracted hours of a minimum 21 per week up to 40 hours in school holidays.
They didn’t send us a single applicant. Neither did any of the ‘get people working agencies’ who work for the DWP.
The job is permanent and actually a good one. Over the next few years we will be after another 4 people at least, with contracted 40 hours a week each.
So why didn’t the jobcentre or anyone else send us any applicants? We now wonder if we ought to advertise zero hours next time and see what happens.
If they want people to work, what was wrong with a job with us?
Bizzarre!
Its probably the fact you need a caring person, The DWP are horrified at the prospect of such people.
I am a carer for an autistic lad, I have 13 hours a week – In hope my hours raise in time or by word of mouth my good work is noted by another in need of a carer.
I found this position via word of mouth in volunteering (off of my own back) at a day centre – The Dole / Work Program did nothing to assist me in getting it. This despite my asking for voluntary positions locally (my job has me traveling an hour each way as does my voluntary work).
I will say it again, get too many restrictions on people, any employer, any jumped up management, any less than moral boss, in charge of someones livelyhood on a whim, the ones that want to will get away with murder. Lord Fraud giving them carte blanche to abuse anyone anyhow they please, its sick!
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Lord Fraud’s bungling “Welfare Reforms”, aka incompetent meddling in peoples’ lives, is a complete shambles of a travesty of a sham of an injustice of a scam of one monumentally-massive, fucking hopeless, balls-up. Fraud is an unelected bureaucrat who wields great power and authority that affect millions, and he has no qualms about which side he does the dirty work for; Labour or Conservative. His presence in Government should be under question as it undermines Democracy. He is a very dangerous man indeed.
LP – Could`nt agree more.
The very fact we have an unelected Government undermines democracy
A fucking joke (a very bad and tasteless one) Is that any of these shits are getting away with being in power and blatantly killing and maiming the weak and vulnerable while the propaganda press continue to smear the victims.
Just wonder how long it can continue?
It`s a known fact serial killers get more adventurous and blatant the longer they get away with it.
Prison is looking more and more like a holiday camp compared to this.
… and that is saying something… 🙂
The whole crock of shit is doomed to failure… The Tories are incapable but the frustrating part to all of this is nobody is stepping on their heads over it all and making them pay the price in parliament… proving (not that we needed to be told) each and every party in the houses of parliament are unfit to govern this country alone… just about acceptable in a coalition. They have been dreaming up policies that you could only think about when either on drugs or for some black humour trip. They must all go into a room blind folded and pick out a piece of paper with a policy written on it from an old barrel. Most of them are sub-human albeit with supposedly exceptional educations… they do say education is wasted on the rich.
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What if someone has to leave a job as a result of their Universal Credit wasn’t paid because their employer’s tax returns weren’t filed on time? After all, for many workers on a marginal income tax credits/universal credit is the only thing keeping them afloat, and if their UC payments are delayed they may have no money to travel to work, or would otherwise be faced with making drastic cuts elsewhere.
They can always get a payday loan.
And a ticket to the mad house.
“Leaked documents reveal Bain & Company partner given post on DfE’s progress committee alongside Tory party donors”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/feb/14/michael-gove-us-consultancy-education-cuts
annos
a sign of things to come…on a side note, the teaching machine won’t be far behind…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-26004358
Gove is another fucking stupid, mediocre, pig-shit-thick tory twat, who can’t see the error of his ways. The whole education system is crap, kids aren’t taught to THINK, they’re merely taught to pass tests, everything is learned by rote, there’s no room for any initiative & free-thinking is simply not allowed. Can’t have free-thinking, that might lead to revolution & we can’t have that , can we?
kc58
correct, they want compliance robots, to do as they say, because they believe, i was going to write think, but of course they don’t, do they, they react to dogma, as it was written, in their heads the older written dogma is, the more reliable/truthful it is…through this crazy belief system, they have somehow managed to give themselves superior being status. all, of the many dictators human history has been witness to, have done the same, as this provides a means so as, they do not have to confront themselves…ie look in their own closets, so they project their crap onto others for the compliance of, as it makes their world a better place, not ours, we get scapegoated, for what they can’t or won’t deal with for themselves…
There’s a huge hole in Fraud’s assertion that someone can take more than one zero hours job- what happens if both employers want same zero -hours wage slave to work the same hours on the same days? Can’t be two places at once & human cloning hasn’t been perfected yet. Would they lose UC for that week or be sanctioned for deciding which job they should go to?
The whole crock of shit falls apart once these type of situations are taken into consideration, Drunken Shit’s vanity project is unworkable & even the deluded twat, in his more lucid moments, can can surely see that
Good point Kittycat58, I remember the dreadful hassle with the tax office in the early 80s, when I was surviving on 21hrs work a week split across three employers.
I ended up paying emergency tax immediately on two of the jobs, yet it took HMRC 3 years to sort out the tax they had taken on emergency code.
Because I only had one P45 to hand in, it was impossible to stop them taking most of the wage packets off of me.
Try being a single parent, unless you come off benefits altogether after the first £15 that you are allowed to earn, the rest of anything you earn is taken off you, only married women with a husband in decent ful time employment get to keep all of their wages minus tax.
ps they might allow you to keep so much for childcare these days, but under Thatcher that all stopped.
“Wall Street’s Frightening New Plan To Become America’s Landlord”
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/24/3203471/wall-street-landlord/
“At Least Five Homeless People Froze To Death Last Week”
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/24/3200211/homeless-deaths/
“New York City Pantries Ran Out Of Food After Food Stamps Were Cut”
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/23/3195501/york-city-food-pantries-food-stamps/
I know most have said UC won’t ever happen. I don’t think it will either, but it occurs to me that if it does get dumped on us, those in very low paid work with just enough hours to claim Tax Credits or LHA or CTA are going to be vulnerable to the curse of the malignant boss in another way to those listed upthread and in JV’s article.
A foul boss (many bad bosses pay the minimum wage) is likely to constantly, covertly or overtly threaten an employee with a cut in hours if they can. They will know full well what this means to an employee. It might stop someone being able to claim those benefits and to struggle further to make ends meet. It will also flag up the hours cut to the local JC+ to hound the hapless employee with an even bigger stick.
Is it January 2013 again? This is old news and this system has already been in effect for a year. Every time you get paid your employer gives HMRC the amount plus the hours worked.
But that system isn’t integrated with the DWP systems, or, through ATLAS, with local authority systems. So details in respect to what a particular employee earns cannot be used to recalculate benefits, which entitlements also have to be recalculated based on a huge number of other factor, e.g., rents and/or council tax changing, couples splitting up or forming, people moving, children being born, adopted, or leaving home, sickness, how much job search a person has done if earning less than the minimum wage that week… and so on… and so forth… ad infinitum.
It gets worse for the self-employed.
What is more it never will.
Universal Credit is, factually, in the real world, fucking impossible.
Real Time information has been in place for a year, although some employers were slow to catch up and not all are yet using the system. Universal Credit, which is in-work benefit payments based on Real Time Information sent via the PAYE system, has yet to start. That’s what this post is about.
freud, should i call you a lord?
no, that would be a facade, flawed, for which i won’t applaud
i must dis the laudis for it seems, you aint, got those noble genes
you ain’t worthy for that journey
not meritorious, your inglorious, mr, spurious, we are furious.. not delirious
born free, so don’t mourn me, get me, cestui que vie, me
come on beau, status quo, where, did our freedom go, puppet show
we can take the overflow, blow by blow, obligation, you must show, expose
disclose, when the nation, population, situation, birthright devastation,
arose, spirit froze, the emporer wears no clothes
celestial role, steal the soul, feel the chill, take the sleeping pill, abomination, overkill… to harness the living will.
sacre loi. formed the nobles classes, amasses, passes, the three tier nobility
hostility, public utility, no credability.
labour, conservative two headed snake, poisonous, venomous, rats on the take, snakes in the grass, inertial mass of the upper class.
freud, your no lord, bored, no accord, you don’t practice the law of God, roughshod, the DWP, ATOS, firing squad.
gagging law, devils claw, tragic flaw, for the petit bourgeois, lynch law, chain saw…withdraw,
NO CONTRACT, detract, subtract,
reenact.
“Outsourcing groups Compass and
G4S were next on the Mirror’s greed
list with their bosses taking more
than 300 times the average for
picking up government contracts.”
Click to access High_Cost_of_High_Pay1.pdf
23 January 2014
“Outsourcing giant Capita is facing a £100m payout for collapsed fund it operated”
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2544912/Capita-facing-100m-payout-collapsed-fund.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
22 January 2014
“Court interpreting firm Capita fined thousands”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25824907
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“Riot Point”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-02/paul-singers-vision-coming-riot-point-and-feds-formula-destruction
November 9, 2005
http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/panzner/2005/1109.html
Workfare is ABUSE!! Workfare is an evil and twisted concept. Has anyone ever studied the long term implications being FORCED to WORK for NOTHING has on its victims? It is hard to think of anything more demeaning and humiliating. Workfare is pure fucking evil!!
Slay the BEAST!!
A FEW YEARS BACK, I RANG THE DWP AND ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY HELP AVAILABLE FOR LOOKING AFTER MY FATHER WHO HAD LEUKAEMIA.
THE SWITCHBOARD OPERATOR TOLD ME NOTHING WAS AVAILABLE.
I RANG AGAIN ONLY TO BE TOLD THE SAME.
IN DESPERATION I WENT INTO THE JOBCENTRE IN SCARBOROUGH
AND ASKED THE MANAGER, HE SAID IF I HAD RUNG AND BEEN TOLD NO, THEN NO MUST BE THE ANSWER……………………
FOR SEVENTEEN MONTHS, MUM AND I CARED FOR MY FATHER AS HIS CONDITION WORSENED.
WE HAD TO BATHE HIM, CHANGE NAPPIES, FEED HIM AND GENERALLY CARE FOR HIM.
WHEN HE GOT REALLY BAD WE HAD MACMILLAN NURSES TO HELP GET EQUIPMENT TO AID HIM, TOILET FRAMES, WALKING FRAME, WHEELCHAIR, BATH LIFT ETC.
THE MACMILLAN NURSES TOLD MUM AND I THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GETTING AN ALLOWANCE TO LOOK AFTER HIM.
AGAIN I RANG THE DWP AND WAS TOLD THAT THEY HAD NO RECORDS OF ME EVER CONTACTING THEM…………
I WAS ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS.
BEING DISABLED MYSELF I FELT IT REALLY HARD GOING, IN FACT I TOOK DAD TO HULL HOSPITAL, WHICH IS OVER FORTY MILES AWAY, ON 52 OCCASIONS!
MUM AND I HAD TO ARRANGE 4 CHAIRS ON THE DRIVEWAY TO THE CAR, WE LIFTED HIM FROM ONE CHAIR TO THE NEXT TO GET HIM TO THE VEHICLE………….
THE DAY AFTER MY DADS FUNERAL, A DWP SNOOPER TURNED UP AT MUMS HOUSE, DADS FLOWERS WERE ARRANGED ROUND DADS PHOTOGRAPHS IN MUMS LOUNGE, THE SNOOPER WAS UNAWARE MY DAD HAD DIED AND HAD COME TO ACCUSE MY MOTHER AND I OF PUTTING IN A FAKE CLAIM.
I GOT REALLY MAD AND ASKED HIM TO LEAVE, MUM WAS IN TEARS.
HOW COULD THEY SEND SOMEONE ROUND STRAIGHT AFTER A FUNERAL?
A WEEK AFTER THE FUNERAL MUM RECEIVED A LETTER TO SAY THAT MY DAD HAD BEEN AWARDED THE HIGHEST RATE OF CARERS ALLOWANCE AND WOULD RUN FOR THREE YEARS…………..
THIS WAS A TOTAL INSULT!
THE DWP RECKONED TO HAVE DONE AN INTERNAL INQUIRY TO SEE IF ANY MONEY COULD BE BACKDATED FOR THE SEVENTEEN MONTHS WE LOOKED AFTER DAD…………….
WE RECEIVED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, MAINTAINING THAT WE HAD NEVER CONTACTED THEM…………………………….
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AGAIN, TO STRESS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR A CLAIMANT TO HAVE ALL THE FACTS AT HAND WHEN CHALLENGING A DWP DECISION………
IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO REQUEST ALL INFORMATION THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF WORKS AND PENSIONS HOLD ON YOU.
SEND THEM A LETTER, RECORDED DELIVERY OF COURSE, AND ASK FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
IT COSTS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING……………….
GIVE IT A GO!!!!
MY INFORMATION ARRIVED IN THREE LARGE ENVELOPES AND WAS OVER SEVEN INCHES, 18CM DEEP.
STRANGELY MY HISTORY SHOWED THAT I HAD EASILY MAINTAINED OVER 15 POINTS, NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE BENEFITS IN THE PAST, YET WHEN TESTED BY ATOS, ACHIEVED ZERO………
Looks like beginning of the end of the bedroom tax, Karma sometimes takes a while…http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/bedroom-tax-holyrood-rivals-back-3107134
kc58
our raquel is getting a drubbing… http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/03/ministers-savage-un-report-abolition-bedroom-tax?CMP=twt_gu
“Gove, leave those teachers alone”
http://rowans-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/gove-leave-those-teachers-alone.html
… All in all you’re just another brick in the wall…:-)
IDS appears in front of the Work and Pensions Select Committee, 4.30 today. To be broadcast live here: http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=14819
Will he have his machine-gun toting henchthugs with him?
“The list includes public people identified as personally neoconservative at an important time or a high official with numerous neoconservative advisers. Some are dead, or are ex-neoconservatives.”
“George Osborne – Chancellor of the Exchequer; Conservative MP for Tatton[9][10]
Michael Gove – Secretary of State for Education; Conservative MP for Surrey Heath[11]
Liam Fox – Former Secretary of State for Defense; Conservative MP for North Somerset
Gisela Stuart – Labour MP for Birmingham Edgbaston[12][13]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_neoconservatism
““Suicide” By 13 Meter Embankment (40-50 feet)”
http://tradewithdave.com/?p=20094
Workfare robs human beings of their dignity. Workfare siphons off human beings self-esteem. Workfare destroys human beings self-respect. Workfare KILLS the human spirit. Workfare is PURE FUCKING EVIL!!!!
European Council has said uk welfare rates are 40 percent too low………breach of human rights………Ids is livid…….
Anyone know if this will help?
h m
have a look see…
http://welfarenewsservice.com/level-uk-benefits-inadequate-says-council-europe/
IDS is livid….GOOD, hope he has a fucking heart attack.
OBD
If the European council have finally come to the conclusion that uk benefits are inadequate, they must be getting ready to re-negotiate the human rights act with the Uk giving Cameron and Co. jurisdriction over them once again, leaving Europe to wash their hands and distance themselves from their decision (giving the impression that they are an entity of justice) even though they are willing to negotiate any really just decision they make like this one.
g fawkes
what in so far as the esc feeds/supplies/informs the echr, you mean? the esc finding/disclosure is an embarrassment to the uk despots….it will heat up the exit europe propaganda…i also have no idea how many of the other eu countries have complied to this either…i doubt if they will be able to opt out of the esc, they can,will, and are ignoring it atm….i shouldn’t think that ignoring this esc report will go down well with many people of this country, nor other europeans…ids says they spend £204bln on it, well it’s a quite a bit short mate…
obd Funny that Esc on the computer means escape!
And Caps Lock means “Iain Duncan Smith is a FUCKING CUNT!!”
g fawkes
name that tune….the great ………?
Obd
I was referring to the European council being called ESC that is defending our rights, just before UK is being allowed to ESC escape.
g fawkes
the horse has bolted for many not able to gather up the resources to fight to get justice…..we only have the human rights that we can fight for….for many the uk has already escaped it’s social responsibility towards them….as you, me, and others, have said many times, we are in a constant grinding run around to get our benefits already …in that sense esc is symbolic only, as is the echr…but it is indicative…when the uk govt that isn’t, says they will do something like suspend echr, it is already done by saying this, the tone is already set, that some people think and say that human rights ARE suspendable….it is a dreadful indictment that human rights needed to be, so called enshrined in law….we are human beings we don’t need to qualify for human rights they are already ours, we are born with human rights we don’t need to earn them…if one has to fight for human rights for many they are gone already….i see them as already suspended, and i fight accordingly….do we therefore really have individual human rights in the uk? the moral notion that HR can be neglected and owned by others is appalling, they are not negotiable…we have to know our HR, and own them! we have to fight to end sanctions, conditionalities, and an increase in our benefits….these people are under no penalty for riding rough shod over many things that affect our lives…
very true obd.
“How the BBC Over-Egged UK Retail Sales … And The World Soaked Up Every Word”
http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2014/1/20/how-the-bbc-over-egged-uk-retail-sales-and-the-world-soaked.html
The BBC is run by MI5
Landless Peasant: You are suspended from active duty with immediate effect. Your Licence to Kill is revoked. May I remind you that you are still bound by the Official Secrets Act.
oh, #bigbenefitsrow is a tv show, fck i live under a rock, don’t have a tv…
You need to get into the colour flat screen age, luv… 🙂
sammy
yeah, i know i’m a let down to the cause…
In May 2015 we MUST have that special moment, late at night, beer in hand, watching Tv,…when IDS, loses his seat! Can be done. 2-3 ‘Independent’ ‘right-wing reactionary’ candidates all with the surname of Smith ( very common) can take 1-3000 votes off of IDS. Take a Ukip vote of c.5000+ then Labour could get in. Worth a shot, eh? IDS will never get selected again; hated even by Tories.
HAVE YOU GOT YOUR TICKETS FOR THE DWP ATOS LOTTERY?
SATURDAY NIGHTS ROLLOVER, TAKEN FROM THE RECENT MORTALITY COUNT, IS FOURTEEN THOUSAND AND RISING.
COULD YOU BE AN UNLUCKY WINNER?
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MATCH ALL THE “DESCRIPTORS AND YOU COULD WALK AWAY WITH THE BIGGEST PRIZE EVER AWARDED IN HISTORY……………
“YOUR LIFE”
ALREADY MANY HAVE JUST MISSED OUT, FEELING DEPRESSED, HUNGRY AND SUICIDAL.
THERE IS NO NEED TO BUY A TICKET.
ENTRANTS WILL BE INFORMED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF WORKS AND PENSIONS.
ALL YOU NEED TO QUALIFY IS AN EXISTING DISABILITY, EITHER PHYSICAL OR MENTAL.
THE WINNING NUMBERS ARE DRAWN BY AN UNQUALIFIED HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL.
PREVIOUS WINNING ENTRIES CAN BE FOUND AT A CEMETERY NEAR YOU, OR SCATTERED ON HALLOWED GROUND.
ALL CLAIMANTS WILL BE CONTACTED BY POST (BROWN ENVELOPE)……………….
ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE PART IN THE DWP ATOS LOTTERY OF LIFE?
ALL ENTRANTS WILL HAVE THE UNIQUE PLEASURE OF BEING RE-ENTERED INTO THE DRAW, 3 MONTHS AFTER THE TRIBUNAL HAS DECIDED OTHERWISE.
FIFTEEN POINTS WILL DECIDE IF YOU QUALIFY FOR THE SUPPORT GROUP, WRAG OR THE CEMETERY……………..
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE “IN IT TO WIN IT”
WHO WILL BE THE LUCKY PERSON THIS WEEK??????????????
I don’t particularly want Labour to be in power. I’m voting Green.
Thatcher was hated by the tories in the end, but it didn’t stop them from praising her in death as well as spending a fortune on her funeral at tax payers expense, but it is a good point you have to make for those who live in his constituency.
SO PRINCE CHARLES IS TO VIEW THE FLOODING………………..
THIS STATEMENT APPEARS ON THE BBC NEWS, HIGHER UP ON THE LISTINGS THAN RAQUEL ROLNIC’S UNITED NATIONS CONDEMNATION OF THE HATED, BEDROOM TAX……………
WHAT THE FUCK IS “BIG EARS” GOING TO DO ABOUT THE FLOODING?
COULD HE DIP HIS LONG COAT IN THE WATER AND SOAK SOME UP?
COULD HE BE TURNED UPSIDE DOWN AND USED AS A PROPELLER?
WHAT FUCKING GOOD, TO MAN NOR BEAST, IS THE VISIT BY THIS SCROUNGING, PALACE , INBRED?
YOU MIGHT AS WELL SEND A SCARECROW TO A CREAM CRACKER FACTORY, OR A TREACLE SPONGE TO A TSUNAMI HOTSPOT!!!
WE. IN THE UK ARE FED SO MUCH CRAP, IT’S UNBELIVABLE!
THE BBC, PATTON’S PROPAGANDA PUPPETS ARE SO FUCKING BIASED, IT’S UNBELIEVABLE………….
THE QUEEN IS IN FRANCE SNORTING SNAILS AND SEEKING FREE GIFTS, WHILST HER SUBJECTS ARE GETTING FUCKED FROM PILLAR TO POST………………
…………………….I WILL BE GLAD WHEN HER HEAD IS ON THE RAILINGS OF BUCKINGHAM PALACE ALONG WITH THE OTHER GOON’S SHE SIDLES UP TO……………
Andrew Neil on the Daily Politics @ BBC is forever telling the viewers during the programme that the BBC is unbiased – they are making him work for his money eh?
Tories’ colour is blue but their hearts will always be black
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paul-routledge-iain-duncan-smiths-3109740
sue marsh on thingy on tv… http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/the-big-benefits-row.html?spref=tw
The big benefits row on channel 5 wants the plug pulling on it. On the panel is Edwina Currie, Boris Johnson’s sister, and 2 single parents as well as labour’s Ken livingston who is also towing the labour party line on benefits not being sustainable because there is not full employment.
Then you have the big mouth bitch off the apprentice I forget her name, and then I turned off the shit.
Tory twats channel 5 another Tory mouthpiece, along with most of the other media channels.
Was really hoping the european council saying our benefits are way too low and against human rights would come out in the news. Can’t understand why all this is kept hidden.
Glad that most apart from daily mail readers seem to be getting educated on the welfare debate. My lad has only managed to get jobseekers about 6 weeks since effectivky college leaver sept 1st. Filled in hardship form 2 weeks ago………still not heard! Will he get it the whole time sanctioned?…..hasn’t attended jcp however since as no bus fare.
Times are bad when our teenagers are conscious the poverty in the home bears largely on their sanction. Will all this shit be overturned?
h murray
we are treated like mushrooms…see the side bar to this post, ipswich unemployed action etc..
http://www.edinburghagainstpoverty.org.uk/node/42
Thanks obd. No hardship yet
If they send my lad on their f…ing work scheme I’ll put their bastard windows through. As pacifist…..as I once was….I will probably start the f…ing revolution!
My hubby was employed to pull lots of mills down up north 24yr ago. Every bit of machinary had to be broken down to fit through a 4″x4″ grid ….to be sure NOTHING could be reused ever again.
I understand the ludites …..but then that…..now this!
The Amazon documentary freaked me out too. I refuse to buy from them anymire. The conditions and beeping…..worst nightmare regimental unnatural load of shite…..consumerism shite turning people into robots.
It’s time to join unions, join political protest groups, organise and fight against this evil ideology that has suddenly turned the clock back decades in this country. Voting will not change anything as Miliband has shown himself to acquiesce to most things the Tories do. These are bleak times where unity is the only true strength that can change things. Boycott business that use workfare and spread the word. http://www.boycottworkfare.org
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Tories Out of Office Now and Forever
No to Universal Credit No to Neo Liberalism Slavery
Yes to a Land Free from Tyranny Oppression and Mayhem
The whole system is an illusion, propped up by our own belief in it’s authority. The job-seekers agreements aren’t even legal if you refuse them – sign your name and you make them legal. ( https://skwalker1964.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/most-jobseeker-agreements-ruled-unlawful-and-the-dwp-doesnt-care/ ) You worry about your money – you get this drip-fed to you in small packets so you are dependant, malleable, helpless. While they keep us weak, they sell off our country – Sherwood Forest FFS! – and start wars overseas against made for tv enemies with suspiciously new American kit (Stinger missiles – yet no Coalition jets brought down – hmmm) whilst your media whistles innocently and hopes the words ‘Ukraine’ and ‘Massive tank movements’ don’t come out. Even Poland is mobilising now – you see nothing, because your hands are outstretched for your benefit money – money which you don’t deserve. Why don’t you deserve it? – well, Jeremy Kyle and a woman called Esther told me you don’t. Even the word is now somehow twisted; BENE – from the latin ‘Good’ – BENEfit. It means something that makes your life better; a good thing, a blessed thing. You now hear the word used as a slur, an abusive. I am scared and if you aren’t I can only wonder. Our World – our Whirled – is going round merrily and somewhere it didn’t turn the right way for me. The Tories are carrion crows, no more than a disease that robs people of their remaining hope. Dear God, if you ever existed, spare me so I can see their kind tear each other to pieces and let me breathe air free of their taint.