The Not So Hidden Ideology Behind The DWP’s War On Women

Conservative Party Annual ConferenceThe impact on women of austerity policies has often been assumed to be an unfortunate side-effect driven not by ideology but simple bad luck.  Women are more likely to work in the public sector, and therefore were hit harder by mass job losses.  More women than men are single parents, and as such more women have suffered due to the benefit cuts.

Few in mainstream politics have suggested this was intentional – instead the impression given is that this has represented a lack of thought or care about the needs of women.  Undoubtedly the result of a sexist society, but still pretty much business as usual, particularly for the Tory Party.

The reality, which has gone almost unnoticed even during a much discussed feminist revival, is that Iain Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms represent an attack on women’s autonomy which is unprecedented in the UK’s recent history.  And this assault – which by and large only affects women who are poor – is driven by an ugly and out-dated fantasy of Victorian family values which come directly from the mystical beliefs of the Secretary of State himself.

Before the non-election of this Government, a woman in an abusive relationship was able to leave knowing that her and her children would be supported by the social security system.  This support was scant – most lone parents live in poverty – but it was there, no matter where the woman happened to live.  For women in London, that situation has now disappeared due to a cap on benefits which makes much of the capital unaffordable for single parents who are not working, or even those working part time.  Whilst there are still Women’s Refuges and other sources of support, the most fundamental part of the safety net – the guarantee that a woman who leaves a violent partner will have her rent paid in a new property and be able to feed her kids – has vanished.

Prior to this Government’s welfare reforms a woman who became pregnant was able to make an informed decision about how to proceed regardless of her own wealth and the behavior of the father.  Again the future would be little more than a subsistence income unless she was able to find work – but her and her child would be able to eat.  The Benefit Cap, and threats to further cuts on child benefits, mean that for many women the right to choose whether to continue a pregnancy has been effectively dismantled.  If keeping a baby means poverty, homelessness or forced relocation hundreds of miles from friends and family then there is little choice at all.

It may seem perverse that a Government which has threatened to limit access to abortions has also created an situation where a termination may be an economic necessity.  But it is not working class women having babies that so irks the current administration – it is working class women having autonomy over both their lives and sexuality without a man involved.

Earlier this month Iain Duncan Smith gave a speech to the Marriage Foundation, a religiously influenced think tank which claims to promote ‘healthy stable relationships’.  IDS heaped praise on the work of this organisation and its founder Sir Paul Coleridge.  Coleridge is a former High Court Judge who recently resigned after being reprimanded for Judicial Misconduct due to banging on in the press about the sanctity of marriage and the dangers of cohabitation.

Cohabitation is a big deal to these 1950s throwbacks and has led to some appalling assumptions.  According to the Marriage Foundation’s Director of Communications Harry Benson, couples co-habiting, along with women who have separated from a previous partner, are the two “largest predictors of domestic violence”.

Benson believes that domestic violence happens because of “problems in relationships” and that “domestic violence is likely to depend on both structure and quality of the relationship”.  The inference is clear, victims of domestic violence share some responsibility for the abuse.  In 2007, when he made these  comments, Benson was furious the Government didn’t take his rantings seriously blaming them for “pandering to political correctness”.

Benson is not some swivel-eyed crank on the fringes of this debate.  He has also co-authored papers for Iain Duncan Smith’s own think-tank the Centre for Social Justice and was a deputy chair of their family policy group

It is not just women who dare to have a sex life that has not been blessed by God who are under fire from Iain Duncan Smith’s moral crusaders.  The Advisory Board of the Marriage Foundation also includes Nola Leach, CEO of CARE, a Christian organisation who campaigned vigourously against gay marriage.  Sitting alongside her on the board are Dave and Liz Percival, founders of  2-in-2-1 who organise Marriage Week, a ‘celebration of commitment’ which Iain Duncan Smith has helped launch in the past.

Dave and Liz have some useful advice for friends and families of gay people on their website which states: “Some people, upon learning of the homosexuality of someone close, will actually become physically ill and be sick. These violent emotional and physical symptoms are a normal reaction to homosexuality.”

Dave Percival has also contributed to a working group for the Centre for Social Justice.  The influence of this type of divine rhetoric on Iain Duncan Smith was doubtlessly also one reason for his decision to make Phillipa ‘pray away the gay’ Stroud his special advisor shortly after he took over at the DWP.

Beneath the cloak of austerity and welfare reforms lies a nasty and outdated ideology – and one which the Tory Party pretend they have left behind.  The likes of Iain Duncan Smith however have never bought into David Cameron’s attempt to rebrand the Tories as socially liberal kitten huggers.  IDS is on a mission from God to re-establish the male dominated family structure where women know their place and LGBT  or non-traditional relationships are sidelined.

This is why women facing abuse are now at risk of being unable to leave a violent partner.  It is why single mothers have been attacked from all sides by vicious benefit cuts.  And it is why when Universal Credit is finally introduced all payments will go direct to the so called head of a household and not necessarily the person responsible for the primary care of the children.

Of course none of this conflicts with Iain Duncan Smith’s belief that poverty is a moral failing, to be punished with unpaid work and benefit sanctions.  Fallen women, living without a man, will soon face workfare from the moment their child starts school whilst Jobcentre harassment will sometimes begin before their babies are even weaned.  If that doesn’t bring single mothers into line then they will be banished by the Benefit Cap from their communities, forced into lives of poverty and isolation where they know no-one.  Such is the punishment for a life of sin in the eyes of Iain Duncan Smith and his warped little helpers at the Marriage Foundation and the woefully misnamed Centre for Social Justice.

Woman Against Rape will be holding a protest against the Benefit Cap tomorrow (28th January 2014).  Meet outside the Royal Courts of Justice, Strand WC2A 2LL at 9.30am – more info on facebook.

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502 responses to “The Not So Hidden Ideology Behind The DWP’s War On Women

  1. If the government stops easy access to abortion, then we`ll be back in the days when women were forced to go to back street abortionists.

  2. No wonder it’s so good living in modern britain circa 2014 hey?

  3. I always thought IDS was a mysogynisic wanker, hitler is alive again

  4. he needs to be taken out, and I don’t mean for dinner!!!!!

  5. “Benson is not some swivel-eyed crank on the fringes of this debate.”

    Let’s be clear, he IS a swivel-eyed crank. It’s just that swivel-eyed crankery has become government policy, and therefore mainstream.

    What can rational people do when the debate itself rejects reason?

      • This ideology is as dangerous as the Politically correct brigades ideology.
        Lone parents were pilloried by Thatcher too. The welfare state in it’s infancy was rigid in it’s conditionality to divorced women, forcing most out to work, divorcees from the upper classes had court settlements to fall back on so did not have to rely on the welfare state.

        Political correctness and all of this sexist shit is causing animosity between the sexes too leading to relationship breakdown, it was only created for the prim and the petulant who lack a sense of humour, as most is delivered tongue in cheek.

        Misogyny on the other hand is quite another kettle of fish and is sometimes executed by those who are hiding behind the politically correct laws. Gay clubs love to caricature women and make them look in a bad light, some see none gay women as a threat or competition for men, this is a fact but they would deny it to the ends of the earth. Especially as some are bi-sexual whatever that is.

        Politics and religion should never be co-joined except when one is opposing the other.

        • Sarah Sarahssen

          “Misogyny on the other hand is quite another kettle of fish and is sometimes executed by those who are hiding behind the politically correct laws. Gay clubs love to caricature women and make them look in a bad light, some see none gay women as a threat or competition for men, this is a fact but they would deny it to the ends of the earth. Especially as some are bi-sexual whatever that is.”

          lol this is the kind of thing that means you have to step down as a UKIP councillor tomorrow

          • why because I have a right to an opinion. You are the proof of what I say, gays will deny it whether it be bi-sexual/gay men or bi sexual/gay women, although there are exceptions to the rule and they are either true homosexuals not some wishy washy inbetweeners and I can count many as my friends.
            I am just trying to highlight the hypocrisy and the fact that misogyny is practiced in all areas of life, across all sections of society.

            • PS Benson and his marriage foundation are all well and good for those that subscribe to sticking rigidly to the dogma of the church that they belong to, but it should not be brought into legislation, which outlaws cohabiting relationships, gay relationships,it might even include inter-racial relationships, not to mention those who subscribe to atheism or a humanist society and might not agree with their views.
              Laws have to be all encompassing and listen to the viewpoints of all not just minority groups like gay pride and their increasing numbers, which could be put down to protesters of such legislation joining their ranks.

              • overburdenddonkey

                g fawkes
                “Benson believes that domestic violence happens because of “problems in relationships” and that “domestic violence is likely to depend on both structure and quality of the relationship”. The inference is clear, victims of domestic violence share some responsibility for the abuse”. these highly toxic views are a pavingstone in the pathway of tory “policies/morality/ethic”, of people tolerating abusive relationships..and “working things out”, with abusers….they want people to tolerate abuse, especially theirs….blaming the victim, for not working things out with the abuser ie not getting it right…people tolerant of abuse, by definition easy to control….

                • I agree OBD, only a control freak would want to follow this type of ideology.
                  The only way an abused person is contributing to their own abuse is if they stay for more of the same, which is one of the reasons why it is imperative that abused women or men have the means to exit such relationships.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  g fawkes
                  economic apartheid is prevalent….same as it traps the young who are being pushed to stay with abusive parents….everyone needs a way out of abusive relationships, this is a move to the creation of a healthy society…the consequences for humanity are grave, if people cannot escape abuse…human beings should never be forced to tolerate abuse, the human cost of tolerating abuse is in every respect immense…they are doing all in their power to maintain the house price inflation bubble…

                • OBD

                  I agree abusive parents are not the answer, but neither is abusive state care.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  g fawkes
                  there is no state care…people should be paid benefits that enable escape from abusive relationships..once one is safely away from the abuser(s), then one can after a period of time, think in ones own way and sort one’s own life out, get back to one’s own life plan, and not the life of pleasing abusers, to survive in misery.

                • sorry OBD I got the wrong end of the stick I see you were referring to older children on benefits and being penalized and forced to stay in perhaps an abusive relationship.

            • Steven2011@lavabit.com

              There ARE some people who genuinely are bisexuals. Of course, there are a few who are 100% gay and say they are bisexual in order to hide it but on the other had there are genuine bisexuals who remain that way till the day they die.

              • I don’t agree. You are either gay or straight anything in between is either sex crazy or wants to f..k people about.

                • Sarah Sarahssen

                  I’m bisexual go suck a dick fawkesy you might like it

                • I think we gathered that Sarah sweet mouth.

                • Sarah Sarahssen

                  Lol I can be sweet if I feel like it :p

                • SarahS

                  You can be sweet when you feel like it, just not when someone disagrees with you, then you try to dictate what people put in their mouth.

                • Sarah Sarahssen

                  Well if it would muffle your unevidenced claptrap, all the better darling…

                • I don’t need empirical evidence to see how your sexual behaviour would f..k up peoples lives, not to mention confuse any offspring you may have.

                • What about if you are (or were) ‘predominantly’ meterosexual but enter into a long-term, mutually respectful, loving & sexual relationship with someone who is the same sex – does that relationship have any validity? What label can be given to those people? (Gay at that point in their life and then back to straight but with possible caveats). Not everyone does fit conveniently into the boxes people seem so preoccupied with but there’s A GIANT OBSESSION (ON EVERY SIDE) to define absolutely “what you are (on a percentage/absolute basis)”.

                  This doesn’t happpen or have such a loaded set of presumptions and assumptions attached to it on other areas of how we live (EG. WHETHER WE SAY WE ARE A MEAT-EATER OR A VEGGIE OR A SEMI/DEMI VEGGIE ETC)

                  APOLOGIES TO ALL BUT ESPECIALLY TO TIMFROM MY CAPSLOCK IS STUCK.

                • …was stuck for a while.

                  It’s back to ‘normal’ again now. Panic over.

                • Steven2011@lavabit.com

                  It DOES exist. Admittedly, it is rare and is very rare indeed amongst men but that doesn’t change the fact of its existence. Around 6% of Britain’s population is either exclusively gay or bisexual (bisexuals account for about 4.5% of the number)

                • I don’t believe those figures for gays and bisexuals.

  6. Rewind back to 1966 and “Cathy Go Home”. History is repeating itself.

    • Cathy Come Home

      The play tells the story of a young couple, Cathy (played by Carol White) and Reg (Ray Brooks). Initially their relationship flourishes and they have a child and move into a modern home. When Reg is injured and loses his job, they are evicted by bailiffs, and they face a life of poverty and unemployment, illegally squatting in empty houses and staying in shelters. Finally, Cathy has her children taken away by social services.

    • Shirleynott

      More meaningless titles to put to meaningless dispositions ‘metrosexual’? I would perhaps say confused, desperate, oversexed, Nobody is knocking a long term sexual relationship with the sex of your choice, nor is anyone knocking being single or celibate if they want to be, but going from one sex to another as far as I can see is sheer wanton indulgence.
      I am not one for rules or boxes myself but there has to be some morality within society and boundaries that are not to be crossed.

      • ps necrophilia , beastiality, peadophilia to name but a few, but I would certainly put ‘metro sexual’ in there too.

        • something survived...

          Metrosexual just means a man whose underpants still bend
          -Dave Lister

          What’s with the biphobia on this site?

          • SS pride.
            I was wondering when You would turn up, what’s with the bigoted view of
            the religious by your friend Lucy because of one man IDS, or am I to be equated with such because I happen to believe in a ‘fairy’ as Lucy put it, insulting views to those that believe in God and they are the many not the few. There are even scientists who believe in God not because they have been indoctrinated or want to fit in, but because although illogical to believe in a superior being they still do, call it escapism if you like but who would not want to escape from the reality of a hostile world where predators think love means having lots of sex with everyone they meet, if they are not they must be frigid, bigoted, brainwashed etc.
            Look to the animal kingdom if you want to see licentious behaviour but even there you find couples that mate for life.

            shirleynott.

            If you are metrosexual but mean hetrosexual, you would not be having a meaningful sexual relationship with your own sex, that would mean you were homosexual or bisexual.

            Such people are using sex to manipulate at will, we all know some people were born homosexual not bisexual, you are either one or the other. Experimentation may be all well and good for those that are doing the experimenting and moving around, but not so good for the person on the other end of the experiment, who may not even know that the lab assistant is jumping from man to woman or vice versa.
            ‘live and let live does not cut it if they leave disease behind’ there is such a thing as ‘curiosity killed the cat’, too so as the saying goes ‘,be careful who you climb into bed with’.
            .

            • You are either one or the other meaning hetrosexual or homosexual, no inbetween.

            • @guy fawkes I have spats on photo site with
              US religious christian lot who post up images with ” you must believe and not doubt “. Which has comments with “amen ”
              And I pop up and question and told there is something wrong with me by questioning ..

              • Chewie

                People should question everything as i am questioning the athiests who believe in anything goes, I am not forcing them to believe in God.
                I don’t care who passed down or made the 10 commandments, whoever did as far as I am concerned is a God, because as a general rule they are a good moral code to live by.
                There would be times of danger when you may have to lie to save a life or steal to feed yourself, but that is only in defence of the ungodly that are putting you in such a position.

                • @guy fawkes the giant pixie in the sky theory and ” dinosaurs never existed ” and if they did the jesus rode around on a dinosaur a the earth is only 6000 yrs old

                  My favourite comment aimed at me was ” don’t push your aitheist religion on us ”
                  After haranging me and tell in me I would go to hell for not believing and puzzled as to ” how can atheist live without god” and aitheists should ” all go and kill themselves”

                • Chewie

                  I’m not interested in what believers have to say, I have my own reasons for believing in God, I’m not brainwashed, I don’t attend any church and I would not wish to push my belief in God onto anyone else, let people find their own way spiritually without resorting to drink or drugs.

                  I think we make our own heaven or hell on earth not in some fictitious place in the sky or an underworld, God to me is a concept not a person,an ambiance of loving and caring for your fellow man when you can and like chastising a child not giving up or giving in to their petulant wants or demands. I don’t believe in turning the other cheek, especially not when presented with blatant, arrogant cheek because you happen to have a belief or an opinion that they don’t agree with.

      • (I just meant heterosexual when i said metrosexual guy, not sure why it came out that way; it just did) … not: ‘metrosexual guy’.

        Are consenting adults engaging in other-than-platonic relationships “immoral” as a general rule, or only if they are not 100% committed to never switch sides at any time in their life/able to swear a solemn vow of loyalty to their one true sexuality? (And have a crystal ball to see into their own future).

        I can’t see it, or only insofar as it’s ‘so’ only because certain sanctifable teachings insist on it (along with sex outside marriage being sinful etc.) – and it did used to be ‘usual’ to drown/burn to death ‘witches’. If certain religious beliefs are in fact ‘the truth’, then what would any two people have to lose – they’re already well & truly damned at exchanging a first glance or word, never mind bodily fluids. They might as well see if what they think is happening is really happening/if it is a good thing just as with so many of life’s other (ad)ventures, romantic and not-so.

        It’s only personal opinion … statistics are not currently available – mainly based on A Level R.E.& philosophy & … wasn’t there something in the 60s about ‘live and let live’ and listening to Janis Joplin/Leonard Cohen (Janis might not be a great example due to all the fast living/young dying that she did …).

        Oh lord, won’t you buy me a mercedes benz.

        • If you believe in God then he gave JJ a talent which she used and abused, ending in a premature death, her choice.
          I don’t think an all encompassing all forgiving God would want to see this happen to anyone but we were also given freedom of choice and herein lies the crux of the matter – the freedom to choose decency(which differs from person to person) and stability or chaos which ends up affecting everyone in one way or another.
          In the absence of state laws then someone has to preach moral laws for this day and age, not harping back to witches and ducking stools. I would like to say people are less ignorant and more enlightened but I think they are just becoming more FREE to do whatever they want.
          We have come way to end up where exactly!

          • We have come a LONG way to end up where exactly?

            • ….to a place where we still have folk behaving like bigoted, unworldly misanthropes, pronouncing that if they can’t understand something then it simply cannot exist because the great non-existent sky fairy didn’t say it could.

              I wonder how those same people manage to fuck up other people and their own children eh?

              Aaah I appear to have landed in the Dark Ages and guess what, it’s just like the 21st Century

              Grrrrr.

            • Lucy

              I praised both you and Sarah S for their contributions on heer when you spoke of things that were affecting those that post on this site, but if you think I am going to take utter bullshit from ranting feminists metaphorically laying down, then I think you want your head testing as well as your moral compass.

              Feminism is giving women a licence to behave as badly as some men always have done, it is creating animosity and division unnecessarily in some instances and can be petty or hysterical in equal measure on some issues that need measured thought and judgement not some knee jerk reaction to criticism.

              If you want to justify what I oppose then make a case for it here, the why and where for and I will listen, but I can tell you I have looked thoroughly into the subject before voicing my opinion and know both sides of the argument and cannot see a reason to change it.

        • shirleynott.

          If you are metrosexual but mean hetrosexual, you would not be having a meaningful sexual relationship with your own sex, that would mean you were homosexual or bisexual.

          Such people are using sex to manipulate at will, we all know some people were born homosexual not bisexual, you are either one or the other. Experimentation may be all well and good for those that are doing the experimenting and moving around, but not so good for the person on the other end of the experiment, who may not even know that the lab assistant is jumping from man to woman or vice versa.
          ‘live and let live does not cut it if they leave disease behind’ there is such a thing as ‘curiosity killed the cat’, too so as the saying goes ‘,be careful who you climb into bed with

  7. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326420/Children-parents-split-NINE-times-likely-commit-crime.html

    Tory minister declares children from split up families are 9 times more likely to commit crimes

    Tories and Daily Mail hate single mothers it seems

  8. “Benefits encourage the poor to breed ”
    Tory Minister

    • That got my back up….. `breed` is a disturbing terminology is`nt it, which minister said it Bob?.

      We really are vermin to the elites,

      Note it is the poorer of the nation (regardless of which nation) that are the builders and protectors of it. Without the labourer the rich would have achieved nothing, would never have built anything.
      Without the poorer man donning a uniform and fighting for the country the rich would have lost all wars.

      Yet they / we, are still vermin and despised for `breeding` – I really cannot fathom their ideals – They need us, thrive on us, yet hate us with a passion.

  9. Single parents bear brunt of benefits changes, charities warn

    http://gu.com/p/3k3te

  10. Landless Peasant

    The Tory scum are trying to turn the country back centuries in all respects. They are indeed a set of very dangerous fuckers. Please die soon IDS.

  11. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/neilobrien1/100124062/why-does-britain-have-more-children-in-workless-households-than-anywhere-else-in-europe-and-what-family-policy-should-we-have

    Why does Britain have more children in workless households and what family policies do we need ?

    Please note its not ” jobless” or ” unemployed ” its ” workless” because it sounds more like ” workshy ”
    Perhaps the family policies Torygraph would suggest is sterilisation of the feckless idle as they breed like flies due to the fact that the lower orders without gainful employment are drunken drug addict gangster terrorists in BMW motorbility scooters and the women well they are all just sluts arent they.?

  12. IDS clearly hates women.

    • @thomas unless they have money..like his wife….

    • Another Fine Mess

      “IDS clearly hates women.”
      As ‘Women’ are members of the group ‘Everybody’ that’s bleedin’ obvious.

      • @AFM IDS hates people because he is
        Not human ..

        • I just read that in the USA conservative christians believe that single parents are the root cause of all problems and that only marriage will save the economy..but not if you are gay…there for gay and single parents are part of break down od society ..that and atheist welfare loving socialists.

          The god and guns brigade think they know wtf they are on about..

          • some single parents might be single parent’s because they unknowingly had children to gay men who were hiding in the closet or were bi-sexual, causing a breakdown in a relationship or marriage.

          • something survived...

            Till confronted by a Log Cabin Republicans, hunting, gun-collecting,
            churchgoing, white monogamous pro-military gay or lesbian married couple with kids…

            • He could also be hetrosexual and married and having an extra marital affair which leads to a pregnancy, yet is still a pro-military, gun totting , log cabin republican, church going hypocrite.
              But like my mother used to say to me ‘church is for the imperfect not the perfect’. wise words, perhaps I should get myself back there along with the feminist hypocrites who are not perfect either.

  13. overburdenddonkey

    scrape the surface and the lunacy of these barbaric human beings is revealed, and such memories do they trigger, generations of oppression, “do as we say not as we do”….the grief of the souls lost within the madness of their rhetoric, that plunges minds into agonising darkness and despair…most know of the magdalene asylums, guised, as places of learning, to learn the virtues of work, servitude, obedience, and silence….those judged by the insane to be fallen….used to destroy any threats, to the states power over the souls of human beings….genuine need of unconditional love, compassion, empathy, help, financial support, mangled to create a lucrative income by the infliction of this suffering onto others, for the benefits of the state…..judge ye not lest ye be judged thyself, how dare you!..”do as we say or you will suffer, and we’ll make sure that you do”….we are in an era of unprecedented control over the lives of human beings…. it is the 21st century, yet we are still haunted be the ghouls of irrational minds…

    • Women were also put in there by any relative for being too pretty!

      • overburdenddonkey

        joanna
        i guess i refer too the hive mind set up by the church…

      • As recently as around 60/70 years ago (?) women were sometimes committed to what later became known as mental hospitals, @30/40 years ago, for the ‘crime’ of becoming pregnant outside of a marriage.

        Not psychotic or otherwise mentally ill – but institutionalised and over the years would develop some superficial behaviours/mannerisms that might make the casual observer think that they were somehow ‘disturbed’ (in the terminology of then). Meeting and talking to a woman who described this situation it was difficult to believe – except that she sounded perfectly reasonable – and was completely lucid and had a look in her eyes that it would be very difficult to find words to describe.

        • *”difficult to believe” because this particular woman was (at the time of meeting and talking with her) aged around 60/65 – but possibly younger or older – and had been an inmate (she wasn’t really an ‘inpatient’) – resident at the same hospital (in Hull) since her late teens/early twenties.

        • Matthew Hopkins (Witchfinder General)

          And not so long ago a woman who lived alone and had a black cat was tried as ‘witch’. The test of innocence/guilt was simple and was accomplished by the use of the ‘ducking stool’ whereby the accused was held under water: if the alleged witch drowned she was indeed innocent and was therefore exonerated, but if she survived then she was indeed guilty and proven to be a witch, and was thus burned at the stake.

  14. “His government would be the first in history to end a term in office with less regulation on the statute books than when it came into power, he said.”

    David Cameron on ” red tape ”

    Er did Camoron just admit he thinks they will be kicked out at next election ?
    ” end a term in office “

  15. I have never understood why the benefit system has a couple’s benefit payment, or why that’s less than individual money, or why its paid to one of the person’s in the couple. Or why you have to declare that you’re a couple at all if you’re not married? Can’t you just have a f**kbuddy? A close friend?

    Or why, for that matter, two people who are not legally coupled should be sharing one income as a couple?

    • I’ve never understood this either.

    • If you ‘stay over’ more than three times a week you are counted as being in a ‘couple’ even if you are only popping over for a ‘cuddle’ lol🙂

      • That’s not true.
        Any Local Authority that is applying that “rule” is acting unlawfully. Many years ago LAs were somehow permitted to create their own rules on this but it was a transient and futile attempt to sidestep the law. In current law there is no legality in applying any “blanket rule”

        Proving that people are living together as a husband and wife requires that there is incontrovertible proof. Items such as shared bank accounts, bills with either or both names on and if it’s a fraud investigation, the hysterical anecdotes of neighbours, bank statements, surveillance footage, recorded PACE interviews are needed.

        Of course all that is 100% theory (and the law) but many LAs still spread this urban myth about, apply it to the detriment of claimants, and unfortunately, if we don’t know any better we tend to keep it going.

    • No, you definitely can’t just have a close friend!

      This would be very much frowned upon as it implies having too much fun …

    • The benefit for couples is lower than two individuals receiving benefit because if you live together then you only need one tv licence, the same heating costs, the one payment for water rates etc. You can save money living as a couple and as a result receive less. Some people could in fact be better off than living apart but they don’t see that because they are blinkered by the actual money they receive.If they took time and put all the costs down on paper they might find that they have more money to share than they would end up with living alone after paying bills.

      • @Rob but without realising it you are promoting the view of the christian right which is that marriage will save the economy and that anything apart from that is ” wrong ” do couples get together for financial reasons …is being single a sign of failure and that there is ” sonething wrong with you ” if single…

        • Chewie

          The upper classes get together for money, I wonder how many are gay men married to gay women then leading separate lives, but so long as their money is safe that is all that matters, of course if that is what gay couples want to do in order to give a pretence of so called respectability to feed the hypocritical relligious that is up to them, but they should not have to. It is more beneficial to all if people are out of the closet not forced to stay in there because of religious dogma.

          There is so much unemployment, anything goes type sexual activity that can keep people from committing to long term relationships, not to mention the fear of meeting a man that may be more interested in your kids than you, that it is any wonder single parents are a big part of the equation and will remain so until the political, moral and economic spheres of society are cleaned up.

          Religion should not force people to stay in abusive for unloving relationships, but people should be more honest about their sexuality before entering into relationships.

          • The upper classes are much more superior to us they know better and we should mind our own place.

            • I spoke up for single parents when Thatcher was in power and was demonizing them, even though half of her cabinet were having extra marital relationships and creating yet more single parents at the time, but fortunately these hypocrites were wealthy and drawing a salary and expenses from the state so could afford to keep their illigitimate offspring off state handouts.

  16. I think the condems are just sowing the seeds of unrest, for the next government to try to sort out, only whoever comes next will not have enough time in five years to get things right, so it will be half done or worse and the tories will get in and crow. We are doomed ( that is my acute depression talking)

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  18. Yuk, this man is so Authoritarian. Read this, its him.
    http://www.simplypsychology.org/authoritarian-personality.html

    • we have gone back 100 years because of this repulsive man’s rigid belief system, his rotten old fashioned morals, and values. He really is unbelievable!, we are back in Victorian times that’s for sure, where the single mother is disgraced, abandoned and punished. The good old fashioned wed lock shite has arrived! It’s worrying how some women will be stuck with abusive partners, or else face total poverty and disgrace in society.

    • Be careful of `clinical studies` most are made by arrogant rich arseholes, with an intent to deter you from the actuality of what is good and right for the individual.
      Psychological studies no exception (behaviourism is the worst form of psychological study and bases itself on conditioning maketh the man – all very sickening).
      In fact all psychological studies of today neglect both philosophy and the psychospiritual and intentionlly deem us all the same, robots.

      I was raised in a strict and abusive setting, I flew the nest and am totally the opposite.
      As for IDS, he is just a Class A C*nt, power crazed and a parasite🙂

      • Hi elohimette

        I know what you mean regarding the conditioning. I have my favourite study in psychology, and its narcissism and psychopathy. The rest is not that interesting.
        Behaviourism and cognitive behaviour therapy is to be avoided at all costs. All us people need to be aware of is ABUSERS! we need to be free and self governing, and never be controlled by these Authoritarians. This is what makes people depressed, and mentally ill. Its vile oppression. Yes I too was raised in this abusive setting and flew from it. This is why I recognise it, I feel oppressed , controlled. manipulated, and feel the regimentation of this vile man IDS.

        • That is why adjustment has become the key words of all psychological influence. Whether it is a question of adaptation to working conditions, to consumption, or to milieu, a clear and conscious intent to integrate people into the “normal” pattern exists everywhere. …
          To sum up: The creation of normalcy in our society can take one of two shapes. It can be the result of scientific, psycho-socio-logical analysis based on statistics – that is the American type of normalcy. It can be the ideological and doctrinaire – that is, the Communist type. But the results are identical: such normalcy necessarily gives rise to propaganda that can reduce the individual to the pattern most useful to society.

          Jacques Ellul – Propaganda

          • adjustment is what the DWP/JC is up to🙂

          • They want to reduce the individual [you] to the pattern most useful to society.🙂

            • … whether that be picking up leaves or scooping up dog-shit with you bare hands.

              • Propaganda also explodes the “Myth of Work” (try telling that to the jobcentre) and how individuals are motivated to work i.e. by heightening the importance of work, it also describes the torment of the modern day slave: “As in all propaganda, the point is to make a man endure, with the help of psychological narcotics, what he could no do naturally, or to give him, artificially, reasons to continue to do his work and to do it well. Elul also comments: “One must recognise, without trying to make a mystery out of the working class, that no solution exists for its concrete problems” – almost as if the ‘working class’ are a separate species, but that is the way we are looked at folks – a separate species! Worth a read – if you haven’t already done so.

                • Jaques Ellul

                  Am in agreement with you on so many levels – The propaganda at play is so blatant.
                  Telling the the ignorant and easily led over and over that we are the root of all monetary problems, using terminology that depicts us in a certain light on continuum is indeed agenda guided.
                  Thank you for also raising the psychological narcotics issue I feel others view me as a mad ranting loon as I try and express the blantancy of their arising not only to make a mass profit but, to dumb us down and inflict misery.

                  The Elites are so clever (hate admitting that I believe them so). They turn attention on one area (The weak and vulnerable) all the while creating more weak and vulnerable on the sidelines.

                  Adjustment indeed, and deliberating the social world to ignore the individual world, it`s terrifying isnt it.

                • Jacques Ellul
                  Interesting. Propaganda is rife in this country right now, under this coalition.

          • “The propagandist must try to find the optimum degree of tension and anxiety. The rule was expressly stated, among others, by Goebbels. Therefore one cannot say that tension is an accidental psychological effect of propaganda. The propagandist knows well what he is doing when he works in this way. As Goebbels indicated anxiety is a double-edged sword. Too much tension can produce panic, demoralisation, disorderly and impulsive action; too little tension does not push people to act; they remain complacent and seek to adapt themselves passively”

            • “Modern man deeply craves friendship, confidence, close personal relationships*. But he is plunged into a world of competition, hostility and anonymity. He needs to meet someone whom he can trust completely, for whom he can fell pure friendship, and to whom he can mean something in return. That is hard to find in his daily life, but apparently confidence in a leader, a hero, or a TV personality is much more satisfying. TV, for example, creates feelings of friendship, a new intimacy, and thus fully satisfies those needs. But such satisfactions are pure illusory and fallacious because there is not true friendship of any kind between the TV personality and the the viewer that feels that personality to be his freind. Here is a typically mendacious satisfaction of a genuine need. And what TV spontaneously produces is systematically exploited by propaganda: the “Little Father” is always present.”

              • * This is what gives value to and effectiveness to the technique of propaganda by personal contacts

              • “Obviously, the prodigious universality of justification makes it so effective: the man who justifies himself and unconsciously plays this farce not only believes it himself but also has the need for others to believe it. And, in fact, others do believe it, because they use the same rationalisations and become accomplices of the play in which they are themselves actors. Justification really attains its effectiveness only on the basis of this complicity, which is all so all-pervasive that even those who are the victims of justification go along with it. For example, the racist justifies his prejudice by saying that the “inferior” group is lazy, anti-social, immoral, biologically inferior; and in many instances members of the stigmatised group will accept such judgements and experience a feeling of inferiority that will justify discrimination in their own eyes. That is because, they too, use justifications on other levels.”

                • Jacques

                  Eloquently put.

                  I have referred to Goebbels and Der Angriff alongside the press of the UK today many times.
                  The simplicity to lead the masses into ignorance is extremely terrifying.

                  Once you have control of the media (which they do and all of it) youre laughing (which they are).

                  Justification is indeed easy when there is blame to lay somewhere, I believe Hitlers lay within a race that could not fully identify with an actual cultural background therefore were considered nobodies and infiltrators of us all – He too despised the unfit and imperfect – His science lives on in the UK and USA regarding mental illness and abnormality. So many nazi scientists were reprieved of wrongdoing because believed advanced , so long as they continued their evils in The UK and USA.

                  The modern day individual craves what is on offer unfortunately, Unlike the beginning where basic needs were the only ever wants.

                  I agree with all you say🙂

        • Hi Jasmine.

          My favourites were, Substance Abuse and Psychological Abnormalities.
          I spent most of my studies arguing out scientific evidence and debunking it in favour of the individual psyche, that science neglects in favour of the majority.
          My faves seem strange but, via experience of medicinal induced mental illness and addiction it was what led me to study psychology initially – as I say I argued them out and debunked which left me satisfied.

          I fully agree Cognitive and Behavioural psychologies are extremely warped concerning what and who a person could and should be if conditioned properly.
          Skinners belief of internal thinking was nothing compared to observing actual behaviours (which makes no sense when he had to `think` that)

          Psychology should be about what goes on in the human mind and why we are who we are via intellect and emotion, if we lack either? then why? It should not be scientific because science knows nothing of the human mind whatsoever. The psyche is not physical and cannot be treated as if it is. Love hate, anger, frustration, sadness, anxiety etc are not physical but psychoemotional

          Science tells us it can balance chemicals (that is a myth – there is no machine nor weighing device that can balance chemicals within the human body and brain – basically its a very clever marketing plan that makes billions in profit) Note mental illness has arisen in many forms since the idea of making a profit from them arose.
          ADHD, Anxiety, SAD, GAD, Bipolar, Unipolar – None of these so called diseases never existed prior to the making of brain drugs – whats more Depression and Anxiety are natural human traits of emotions not f*cking diseases needing drug therapy

          The chemicals, Norepinephrine, Dopamine and Serotonin that Science says it can balance to even mood actually effects/defects all moods, and playing around with them does severe harm causing severe mental illnesses that are very difficult to trace back to pharma because once on the drugs and diagnosed you are stigmatized as having a mental disease anyway.

          • I agree that this is a correct analysis of the both diagnosing and treating mental illness, most of which is a load of crap, I too studied psychology for a little while before dropping it as I have done most psuedo sciences once you see the manipulative nature of them and as you say those who benefit financially from it, such as drug companies, tutors, quacks.

            • Well said. Alot of it takes mere common sense to debunk and see through.
              I hate the education system, you are forced to learn and memorise so much bull that is not true or worthwhile in the process to pass. I completed my Level 3 then gave up – I do have a passion for the subject but not in the studies they demand upon you, I did enjoy my arguments though, just hated having to read mountains of bollocks in the meantime

              • @elohimette i forgot ” animal killers ” according to the daily hate. Benefit claimants are animal killers too..no wonder we don’t have jobs if we are full time animal killing criminal gangster terrorist fake disabled on BMW scooters living in mansions in ghettos with the curtains drawn watching flat screen televisions and over breeding whilst being drunk and on drugs…

                • I refute this ha ha – The daily hate need know I am a 15year long veggie and probably one of the only people who rescues worms, slugs and snails from the rained on pavements (I put them in the nearest garden).
                  I even coax flies to my windows and let them out – I kill no being intentionally.
                  Where do they think up their shit?

                • @elohimette they get that crap from DWP. Which means they are contravening the rights to privacy and data protection act..

                • “With this shadow on his mind he did not care to show himself in the village, and went homeward by a roundabout track behind a high hedge and across a pasture. Here he beheld scores of coupled earthworms lying half their length on the surface of the damp ground, as they always did in such weather at that time of the year. It was impossible to advance in regular steps without crushing some of them at each tread.

                  Though Farmer Troutham had just hurt him, he was a boy who could not himself bear to hurt anything. He had never brought home a nest of young birds without lying awake in misery half the night after, and often reinstating them and the nest in their original place the next morning. He could scarcely bear to see trees cut down or lopped, from a fancy that it hurt them; and late pruning, when the sap was up and the tree bled profusely, had been a positive grief to him in his infancy. This weakness of character, as it may be called, suggested that he was the sort of man who was born to ache a good deal before the fall of the curtain upon his unnecessary life should signify that all was well with him again. He carefully picked his way on tiptoe among the earthworms, without killing a single one.”

                  — Jude the Obscure (1895), Thomas Hardy

                • something survived...

                  Elohimette ditto, I pick up worms, snails, beetles spiders etc and put them somewhere they’ll be safe. Been a veggie for 21 years and believe in a lot of ‘Buddhist and Hindu’ attitudes towards animals.

                  Despite this the government has kept trying to send me to work in abattoirs, meat factories etc. or other meat/killing industries.

          • overburdenddonkey

            elohimette
            psychology should have remained a BA, pharms do much harm and no good…the dsm5 is insane and crazy making….i implore people to study the work of dr bob johnson in parkhurst prison…. he never ever uses CBT or any other form of behaviourism, never involves any sort of management schemes ie anger management, as this only serves to drive traumas in deeper….

            • Tell me about it.
              It was the DSM5 that led to my diagnosis of `mild depression` in 2001 – which later (thanks to the drugs) led to a `Bipolar` and `Manic Depression` diagnosis.
              All based on the DSM level 5 criteria of my being tired and unhappy (forget that I was a young single mother with no family or support being bullied by an ex) The DSM level 5 stated `unhappy and tired` is clinical depression.

              • It went on of course to label me in need of psychiatric help (The trauma continues) Had I never have come to know the drugs were causing the mental deterioration (and physical) I would no longer be here

              • overburdenddonkey

                elohimette
                no it would not have been dsm5 in 2001 that is fairly new, luckily the dsm5 is widely rejected, for the crap it is…but it is 1 in the toxic dsm series, depression is always caused by oppression…so you were being oppressed and of course not being made of some unearthly metal, you were affected by this….

            • o. d.
              I agree. That diagnostic manual keeps getting changed, and dismantled. what’s going on? CBT is so dangerous to ignore past trauma. History has a way of repeating if this happens. This is the thing Alice Miller dreaded. What harm they are doing.

              • overburdenddonkey

                jasmine
                if any one gets a book out, to tell you how you feel or ought to feel, run like hell…..

                • overburdend

                  do you mean in therapy? because I had an absolute diabolical cbt therapist give me a compete shock to my gut. Her treatment was ridiculous! Something bizarre happened too. I am talking weird recording of session. Was even told to go home and google a certain thing, as this cbt therapist did not have a clue about it??? She reminded me of the Atos nurse looking back on it. I went out swearing to myself after. Never went back. It was a while ago now. So glad I found out the answers for myself.

                • Its not the DWP its fucking IDS its his little feifdom he rules that place …
                  He even breifs against the ppl in his department ..we should bs challenging him and his far too cozy relationship with the fucking faily hate..

                • overburdenddonkey

                  jasmine
                  that is one example of what i mean gut says no! no! no!…always listen to gut….

                • overburdenddonkey

                  ps jasmine
                  the role of the therapist is to aid one in venting trapped/frozen anger and rage of past traumas….a trauma detective, who looks for the customers jaw dropping moments in conversation with them….then explores the terrors that caused the obvious contorted agony, that they just witnessed, then they invite one to express trapped anger and rage…which is why anger management makes thing even worse, coz it needs to be vented, not blocked…once it is vented one is recovered…a true therapist is a trauma witness..not a trauma denier…and in true therapy one never feels violated, as the process feels entirely natural, in truth, because the therapist is on the journey with one, in empathy, love and compassion…overcoming fear by doing this that or the other is toxic crap…

          • Hi elohimette,
            I enjoyed psychology study a lot, it helped me on a personal level, because of abusive family origins, helped me to escape it. I too got so furious with it, as I could see the manipulation and the way there is a bio chemical model taking centre stage. It does seem psychology today is going down this road. I always did prefer Nurture to Nature. As Oliver James said ” nurture forms our very nature”

            How about schizophrenia suggestions of cause being a ‘bio chemical brain defect’. I would go for Dr R. D Laing and his ‘double bind’ abusive parenting. How about his book ‘sanity madness and the family’ Strange how this man was hated in psychology in the 1960’s? was it because he was on the right road?. He highlighted the narcissistic mother. Still today these parents are protected. Why?

            Drugs they give to people such as anti depressants do a lot more harm than good, I agree. The prescription drugs are a money spinner. Frightening. I would advice people to research and try their best to find a natural equilibrium for their brain. The brain always strives for this. Firstly to kick prescription drugs, study the work of Dr Alice Miller. This lady is a great start. The search for the true self. We do not need abusive people in our lives. This causes us to be ill. Very ill. People today are not getting the help they need. This government is doing so much damage, its terrifying.

            The people in psychology who wrote the good books, and the ones on the right road. perhaps the road less travelled, were mocked! Much of their life work got destroyed. I wonder why? Alice Miller said herself the person who takes a stand to abusive parents, and stands by the child will have a hard job.

            • Jasmine, If I could ever help it, I would read Breggin, Whitacker, Nutt and/or Healy, all of which are medication fighters – Most have been bullied for it, slandered, even sacked with stories around them to belittle them and as you say mocked as much as possible.

              I am no psychologist lol, I wish I was coz I could use academic status in my arguments – only because those with the status believe themselves far superior – I would then be able to say I too am of equal status but, as I say even those considered experts in their field are bullied and sacked when they speak out against these drugs.

              • overburdenddonkey

                elohimette
                just as dr alice miller was she plagued with, out raged by the constant misinterpretations and misquotes of her work, she was marginalised..dr bob johnson who strongly agreed with the late alice miller, was sacked from parkhurst for curing so called incurable psychopaths…and describes the plunge in his career as “hair-raising”…neither agree with nurture and strongly object to pedology, child always should be in charge…bob johnson, champions the work of joanna moncrieff and robert whitaker
                http://dpac.uk.net/2014/01/sanity-in-an-era-of-rabid-capitalism-f-e-e-l-event-7th-february/

                • Thanks for the link will read a bit later, I am quite a fan of Whitaker and Joanna Moncrief is another great medicine fighter.

                • overburdenddonkey

                  elohimette
                  yeah, get rid of the pharms that block voice of wounded child, and aid the adult or child frozen in time to speak mind, and express blocked emotions of trauma(s)….

              • elohimette

                I am no psychologist either. I’ve studied it, and managed a qualification, not even degree level. I carried on with my own independent study, because you know that thing called money is needed. I found it interesting.

                Those with status are not superior to you, especially if they go along with such government ideology. e.g CBT (behave yourself) and the drug treatment. Turning a blind eye to childhood maltreatment is wrong. There are many psychologists and therapists who have not dealt with their own problems, how could they help anyone else? Its all brushed under the carpet. How can they point the behaviour stick, when they have not experienced that persons life? There are good ones out there however, as we can point out, and they have a hard time getting work through the system.

                • You see how this works now ? IDS orders the DWP to dig up crap on claimants and passes this to the daily mail. And when things go wrong its the DWP staff get blamed….

                • I got to Level 3 – would love to have continued but just hated the bull I had to endure (forced to learn and memorize that was anti common sense) with it

                  Furthermore the fact that you are deterred from thinking for yourself and supposed to just assume that what you are taught is scientific evidented fact and not really to be argued with.

                  The monetary side of course is ludicrous, I worked out the four years study for an honours would be £48000.
                  Had to laugh and agree, I doubt many Psychologists have perfect lives

                  As for their knowledge – to have gotten where they did they learned alot of crap🙂

      • Steven2011@lavabit.com

        He most assuredly is. Just HOW do we get rid of this arsehole? I am sure many here and others can’t wait till the Tories lose the next election but it is still a year away! If there is a God, why can’t he give IDS a massive heart attack or stroke?

  19. Here’s someting i bet you didn’t know about sanctions – ‘The Cost’ to the taxpayer.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/186260/response/456144/attach/html/2/FOI%20WDTK%205504.pdf.html

  20. If two independents called Smith could stand in Chingford plus UKIP get 5000-7000 votes Labour could sneak in. It is feasible. No other constituency association would want him. Ever. This would be the best revenge….

    • if only we could make that happen.

    • Steven2011@lavabit.com

      His seat is very safe. I live in the constituency of Brentwood and Ongar (MP Eric Pickles) which is about 15-30 miles away and our Tory MP has a majority of 16921 and a percentage majority (the important figure you need to half to get the ‘swing’ needed to the second-placed party to defeat the sitting MP) of 33% over the Lib Dems.

      He has a majority of 30.1% over the Labour Party which means Labour would need a swing of just over 15% to defeat him. Sadly, even with UKIP intervention, I can’t see that happening because the Tories haven’t been in long so the hatred against them isn’t as much as it was in 1997 when the Labour Party had a massive landslide and one of the biggest swings of that election night happened when Michael Portillo who was the MP for Enfield Southgate lost his seat in a huge pro-Labour swing of 17%. Funningly enough, his old seat isn’t that far away from IDS’s constituency.

      UKIP don’t do well in London and I doubt that they do much better in IDS’s seat compared to their average in the capital.

  21. dispise this being.

    IDS most hated man in this once great country. i wouldn’t piss on it if it was on fire!

    • Steven2011@lavabit.com

      If he was on fire and I was next to him, I would buy some paper, wood and more petrol and “turn-up the volume” on this “quiet man” who has much to be quiet about and then open my bottle of Taittinger Non-Vintage Champagne I purchased in December 2012 but haven’t drunk yet.

  22. The rage I felt reading this at first has subsided somewhat, now’s the time for a more reasoned response – I find myself asking if it’s all been worth it – the battle against the casual sexism that used to go on in workplaces up & down the country, the introduction of the Equal Pay Act & no fault divorce is all this to be tossed aside to satisfy IDS’s twisted, psychotic agenda?
    The man truly is a menace , just how much more damage can one individual inflict?

  23. Rosemarie harris

    I have never felt ill or sick if someome is gay… but everytime i see a picture of that sub human iDS i feel ill and have to think of something else to stop me being sick!
    And as for Mc Vey ..that voice is a right put off too high pitched sounds like she swallowing her tongue!

    • @elhomette Fester McVile the tin robot gobshite…

    • something survived...

      Focus on the Family, Moral Majority, CARE, etc make me want to puke. IDS too. If it’s Marriage Week and they’re bringing in gay marriage, won’t that create a dilemma for the religious right? They’ll have to dig up some of those who used to campaign against disabled people marrying eachother or ablebodied people; or against black people marring white people; or against Protestants marrying Catholics. And form an alliance with them.

      PS bisexual people are no more or less into shagging, than anybody else. Bisexual means fancying 2 sexes. Not usually (but sometimes!) shagging people at the same time. The same as for gay or straight people! If there was no bisexuality or spectrum of attraction, then those porn films where a man has sex with 2 or more women and the women also have sex with eachother, would not exist. Check out the mainstream film ‘Y Tu Mama Tambien’, where a straight woman sleeps with 2 ‘straight’ guys one after the other, then the guys sleep together realising they’re bi.
      Chris Huhne: People only made a fuss because he was also sleeping with men. Big deal. They ignored his policies/work and focused on that.
      Marriage: Straight people who change their minds about who they married, get divorced all the time. A lot of gay people get pressured into it for cultural reasons, are forced to marry, do it as ‘therapy’ the religious nutters prescribe…. or, go years without realising they are gay! Don’t punish people for the fact they married somebody! Oscar Wilde and Sappho and Virginia Woolf, all married. Queen Anne was having relationships with women; loads of kings in Europe have been secretly gay.

      I had this friend, who was (I thought) a straight guy. Then I thought he might be gay. Then he said he was bi and has a bi girlfriend. He sleeps with guys as well and she sleeps with girls as well (part of her is sort of lesbian separatist?), they are both okay about that.
      Many years ago a former best friend was this really straight guy, he had a reputation as a serial ladies’ man a bit. Knowing the boundaries, outside of anything that happened in the course of acting (we were actors and shared a dressing-room), I made sure nothing ever happened. Years later I briefly saw him again. After going to uni he had met some gay people and realised he was bi/gay. I said ‘cool’, but nothing happened then either. It was the last time I saw him. The irony being, I’d fancied him all along…
      (Both the above situations are way more complicated than that; that’s the simple version of both.)

      It’s also not true (true of SOME all-male scenes 1960s-80s, if you read enough on gay movement history) about gay male culture on the whole being misogynist. Most clubs now are co-ed and a big chunk of the female visitors are lesbian. The same accusations could be levelled at SOME lesbian/feminist places, misandry towards men. A problem now is that gay and lesbian clubs often don’t provide disabled access, so that’s much more of a practical issue. Ablism and racism (‘won’t sleep with nonwhites’) are still big problems in the gay community.

      If you look at ‘youth culture’, at least what is shown on TV, you’d get the impression that everyone is shagging, heterosexually, all the time (or is supposed to be). Schoolkids having (straight) sex with eachother, going to clubs/parties, also youth gangs where the girls are expected to ‘put out’ as the collective property of the boys. (Now with the addition of filming it on their phones and putting it on the internet). If you don’t shag (straight), or if you don’t shag enough people/times, you have something wrong with you! Nobody has specified where the dividing line is, so a poor girl desperate to fulfil her quota of shags, to climb out of the territory of ‘virgin/tight/hard-to-get’ and into the category of ‘okay/normal/sexy/cool’, may well find she’s shagged one man too many and has now tipped over irredeemably into the pit marked ‘Slut’.
      Of course, a GUY needs to have a big dick (and be prepared to wave it in public any time challenged), and he can’t sleep with one girl because he’s still seen as a virgin till he’s done several! He also should not be faithful, because that’s boring/wimpy, not manly enough. They are meant to shag as many girls as possible, no responsibilities and no consequences, and at no point do they get called a slut. In fact the more girls they shag, the more they are seen as a stud/real man.
      All of this is no good if you are disabled (and the assumption no disabled people have sex, can have sex, should have sex, or want to have sex). Or if you are ‘not attractive’ or feel bad about your body. Guys as well as girls can want to resist the pressure to have sex.
      The raters are one big ball of brainlessness, yet they have enough power to bully and exclude, and cause people to kill themselves. Objectively, there is no point doing things you don’t want to do, to please a bunch of worthless ‘peers’, or to copy ‘celebrities’, etc.Their opinion/lifestyle should be irrelevant. (It’s just as bad to assume someone having lots of sex, does not respect themselves or others.)
      The pressure on ‘boy plus girl must equal sex’, has messed up normal relationships and interactions, such as platonic friendships between boys and girls/men and women. And it’s stopped people respecting others or seeing their intellect/personality. Sex isn’t a script, it can happen in a whole range of contexts and for a whole range of reasons.
      Just because you are attracted to eachother does not mean you must have sex; and you can have consensual sex with somebody you are not attracted to. What schools should be teaching is mutual respect, how to understand your own and others’ boundaries, how to make sure there is proper consent (you can’t consent if either/both are drunk/drugged), diversity awareness, how to be safe, what to do if things go wrong.
      When boys/men are chasing a girl/woman, or girls/women are chasing a boy/man, they are using two unfair assumptions. 1) That, if that person happens to be single, they are looking for or interested in relationships/sex. (they could be celibate/asexual) That they individually or collectively have a right to the identity and body of that person, who must eventually choose one of them. That if that person is interested in relationships, they are attracted to the chasers or have something in common with them. 2) That, if that person is single and open to relationships, they are heterosexual.
      We’ve sort of stopped being PEOPLE and started being sex organs on legs…. or viewing others that way. Since our personality is in our brain and our brain is in our head, it’s there we should be looking!

      ‘Go your way and sin no more’. What about the married man she allegedly had sex with? He not a sinner then too? Or the prurient idiots who burst in on them? Or the society that made the law? I think I’d rather follow the ‘Woman Taken In Adultery’, she could have had more sensible things to say or at least an alternative take on the matter. If you’re not a monk and hermit, you might not be clear of sexual ‘wrongdoing’, whatever that is. And if you ARE a monk and hermit, you don’t know what you’re talking about when you condemn people for having sex. Sex of one type or another has remained popular for the last million-odd years, so laws aren’t really going to stop it. If you’re having sex then use a condom. As IDS’s parents should have done.

      • Thanks for that sex education lesson SS, a lot of wisdom mixed in with some bias against those who are religious but are not unworldly, not in a physical sense i.e. shagging everything that walks in order to attain knowlegge of how humans interact or the amount of times they interact.

        Nobody is disputing the fact that there is a lot of emphasis on the young and old with silver surfers etc, indulging in lots of casual sexual (or friendly) relationships given (the availability of dating agencies that exist), but I stand by the fact that a person is either gay or straight in disposition and that bisexuality is perverse. If you are unsure of your sexuality then do not indulge until you are sure. It is not a try before you buy activity as far as I am aware.

        Gays try to manipulate people into doubting their own sexuality especially the impressionable teenagers due to the pressure as you described.

        Being a monk or hermit does not exclude you from knowledge on any given subject, but knowing and mixing with people of different sexes and sexualities does paint a clearer picture of what actually goes on.
        Personally as I have stated before I have a family member who is gay, friends who are gay, not friends who are bi because of the havoc they wreak on both gay and unwiitting hetrosexuals which I have been a listening ear for in the past.

        Sex sells and that is why most media companies are up for using it, whether it is reflective of society or not, but could be responsible for turning sex into some kind of marathon by those impressionable enough to believe it.

        • by should be for second last line.

          • @guy fawkes etc after the Ofsted woman was ousted and replaced allegedly by a tory placdman following the Murdoch goebells at DWP its starting to look like scameron is placing Tory placements in key public positions ..either its a panic move or ‘ strategic ‘. God knows but it looks sinister especially that statement from cameron lackey claiming that they wanted the guardian shut down.

  24. I’m the Messiah. You people shall worship me soon enough, just like you worship William Wilberforce. I shall free you from the slavery of welfare. Work will set you free.

    • Definition of a “scrounger” can be summed up in one name – “Iain Duncan Smith”, should appear in the next update of the Oxford dictionary.

    • `Work`
      What work does a politician do? What work has a politician been part of?, gotten his/her hands dirty?, calloused?, broken?

      How does work set the working man free? Please explain in detail.

  25. QUOTATION FROM HANSARD 13 JAN 2014

    Ian Mearns: It has come to my attention through research conducted by several disability campaign groups that as many as four people a day are dying within six weeks of being declared fit for work under the Department’s work capability assessment. Will the Secretary of State reflect on those figures? When he finds them to be true, as they are based on his Department’s data, will he come back to the House and apologise to the families of the deceased, who suffered unnecessarily in their last precious days? We can recuperate benefits that are awarded incorrectly, but we cannot recuperate a person’s life.

  26. Mr Duncan Smith: My hon. Friend is not alone, when 73% of the public support the cap as it stands, as did nine out of 10 Londoners in a recent poll. It appears that the only people who do not support the cap are Labour Members. We will keep the policy under review, but the one thing we should celebrate is that we are reforming welfare to ensure that those who need the money get it, and those who do not get back to work.

    “IAIN DUNCAN SMITH, A LEGEND IN HIS OWN LUNCHTIME”

  27. What’s he point in whinging on wordpress that hardly anybody reads, when the Tories have whole national newspapers and channels such as Sky news to spread their propaganda?

    • Ok do what’s the point in complaining then?
      Its not just complaining its direct action .
      John often posts about direct action doesn’t he. Making complaint and protest visible .

  28. hi as my local MP can i bring to your attention the fact i have had my only source of income stopped sanctioned, JSA not making me closer to work in fact doing the opposite pushing me further away from the work place, i was under the impression that sanctions were only used as a last resort this is certainly not the case, as i believe my jcp adviser as sanction targets to hit, going into my local jobcenter on appointment days makes me severely anxious and depressed , i strongly believe i am being deliberately set up to have my benefits sanctioned, i am unsure who or where to turn to, so thought i would bring it to your attention. that my local jobcenter openshaw Manchester is like a ticking time bomb the unrest as you walk in is evident for all to see, as 88% of fellow coustomers are also under sanction for the most nonsense reasons!! i do not feel safe going into my local job center no longer as i feel it’s about to kick off at any minute due to this audacious out of control sanction system, because i am constantly fighting sanctions unlawfully put on my jsa, i am finding it hard to keep up with actually looking for work, i just wanted to bring this lot to your attention. I look forward to your response, kind regards AN EMAIL I JUST SENT MY MP regarding sanction bloody city in my local jcp

    • HI `fuck ids`
      Hon I am no advisor on the subject but, want you to know someone is listening to you.
      I have not had a sanction and have luckily managed to find 13 hrs work a week recently so The DWP are off my back for now. I have however faced no income thanks to being black listed by my GP for complaining about negligence in 2009 – I was refused medical letters for JCP

      Any problem I have faced, like you I have contacted my MP – this usually takes a couple of weeks before a response.
      If you have absolutely no income you need write/email all responsible bodies so these (council/landlord) problems are sorted before they start.
      Food banks should be operating in your area so you dont go hungry.

      Hopefully someone else here will come along with better advice for you concerning the actual sanction soon.

      • elohimette

        If you have not had a sanction how do you know that what you are saying about contacting councils, landlords etc is correct, because I can tell you it is not. When I was sanctioned I went straight from the job centre to the agencies you mention to inform them my benefits had been stopped, they then reply no forms can be filled in until they have notification of this, during which time they are sending you out threatening letters of how housing benefit and council tax benefit is stopped and how much rent arrears you are in by the housing associations, when you complain that they would not let you reclaim, they then say they will send you out forms which you may or may not receive, you send them back which they may or may not receive and so it goes on and on while you have no money for necessities, busfares to the various agencies etc. It is a bloody disgraced there is apartheid in this country but it is apartheid of the poor, marginalized, stigmatized, criminalized etc etc.

        • PS now because benefit claimants have to pay some council tax and bedroom tax out of their unemployment benefits, if these stop they are in arrears until their benefits are re-instated or reclaimed, minus the amount they have to contribute themselves.
          Their sanctioned benefits are not repaid so those sanctioned have to pay even more out of their benefits to try and get out of debt.
          It is absolutely disgraceful.

          • @Guy – My apologies, You are right I dont know what a sanction is like, did lose all income once and didnt contact everyone I should have hence the mess I ended up in.
            I did say I was no advisor and only letting `fuck ids` know someone was listening to him/her.
            My apologies again🙂

            • Please don’t apologize to me there is no need, I just wanted others to know that what they inform you that you should do, does not always work out as planned, because they want to give you the run around if you dare to get yourself sanctioned.

              • Pity jobseekers who have learning, communication difficulties or are a bit non-compos mentis when a sanction strikes. It is easy to see how a sanctioned jobseeker could fall through the cracks straight into the gutter.

                • Aggy

                  Anyone with any of the problems that you have just mentioned above should not be job seeking nor facing a sanction in the first place, never mind running the gauntlet of the piss taking ignoramuses who work in local government and who are responsible for giving people who have more upstairs than them the runaround too, just because they feel like it.

                • something survived...

                  This week our Job Centre Pustule, said to a partly deaf young woman ‘you must make a new claim now on our [public] phones’. As well as there being no seat or privacy, she said ‘but I can’t use the phone, I’m partly deaf and can’t hear the person on the other end so I won’t know what they’re saying’. [They never told her they’ll take a week of her benefit completely, and delay the remainder for weeks, if they pay you] They said they’d go away and find a solution. The solution was nearly as humanitarian as the FINAL Solution! ‘You must use the phones, under equality law we are not allowed to discriminate’. They sent her to the phones. She tried, then gave up. A blind guy the same day was told to apply online; he can’t see!!!!!!

  29. ONE POT ATOS

    TWO POT ATOS

    THREE POT ATOS

    FOUR,

    WE’VE KILLED FOURTEEN THOUSAND

    I WONDER HOW MANY MORE?.

    Leave a Reply

    • Miss Polly had a Dolly who was sick sick sick
      She took her to Atos quick quick quick
      Atos saw she had many a disease
      wrote a report stating she had none of these

      It wasnt long before Polly saw
      Her Dolly was rapidly nearing deaths door.
      The appeal was overturned and Dolly died
      The local press did a feature but of course they lied

      Yet another win for DWP
      Atos profits for another year

    • Geoff
      In the words of Bob Dylan

      “The First World War, boys
      It came and it went
      The reason for fighting
      I never did get
      But I learned to accept it
      Accept it with pride
      For you don’t count the dead
      When God’s on your side.”

      how relevant is that to IDSs religious station in life?

      For you don’t count the dead
      When God’s on your side.

      How many have died IDS?????

  30. What the fuck is the EPG on our TV doing describing that “benefit street’ shite as “Education”. NO, its pure fucking PROPAGANDA!!

  31. NO, i’m sorry all that SEXIST rhetoric will do nothing but YET AGAIN create ‘special’ allowances for women…..you call that equal or fair?? BOLLOX

    I am a man, i was a single parent, AND i have fled domestic abuse, there was no refuge for me, no help, and no recognition it was even happening, in this world of ‘women can do no wrong’ Batman ideology.

    Fuck that, there are SINGLE PARENTS period, quit with the single ‘mother’ shite, infact my mate is a single dad too, so we are VERY common, quit reading bullshit from feminist blogs, it will only result in special allowances for special women, and they are our fucking EQUALS FFS

    Why is there no females picking litter?????
    Why are admin offfice jobs mainly going to women???
    I cannot get a job because i need office type admin work due to arthiritis and no real quals, but women are given priority over me everytime, even tho they are physically fit enough to pick up FUCKING LITTER, i cite an actual case where a fat girl with sleevless shirt and arms PLASTERED in tattoos is given the job i was going for….hell if i’d known i would have showed up in a sleevless tshirt, cos i got lots of tatts…..but would i get the job?
    WOULD I FUCK…

    Another case last year in a work focus group, i went for a job at a local amusement park, alongside a girl on the group who took a shine to me and started to get physical with me despite my coldness and complaints to staff, she had learning difficulties, SHE GOT THE JOB over me, i have customer service, business admin, IT NVQ’s AND used to train people for Customer Service, business admin, Maths, English, IT, everyone says…why aint you working? impeccable CV, great attitude, intelligent etc etc…….i can only reply, i’m a male in a female dominant society, the face don’t fit.

    White Males ARE at the bottom of the social totem pole…..FACT, when she’s finished you can read the thesis online of a friend of mine (female) who has written about it for her Uni qualification….FACT mate, get your facts straight!!!!

    FUCK THIS UNSUBSCRIBED…..YOU FUCKING IDIOT

    • Look to the workplace, how many women bricklayers, carpenters, electricians, engineers do you see, not many. The working class of both sexes are competing with one another for jobs and you may not have got the job over the girl with learning difficulties because (they like to quote) you are over qualified.
      Do you want to be a litter picker? no, it sounds like you would prefer the woman to get this job over you.

      • Those nurses in hospitals eg women dont do much…apart from saving lives working hard not earning much..

        I rather think in WW2 women’s contribution was rather high….

        • Hospital Porter

          But it is the AUXILIARY nurses, the low-paid auxiliary nurses that do all the hard, dirty shitty work. The STAFF nurses just sit on their arses in the ‘station’ stuffing their fat faces with the chocolates the patients leave as a ‘going home’ present only occasional venturing out to mark some bogus ‘result’ or DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) on a chart at the bottom of the bed if you wind them up by asking for a glass of water or something – they are really lazy over-paid fucks. Bollocks to all that ‘angels’ shit. You could die of thirst (and many patients) do in a hospital and nobody would give a shit. Staffordshire isn’t some aberration!

          • Hospital porter
            This observation is so true, I remember a time when nurses did not just give out tablets and take blood pressure but put people onto bed pans, gave them bed baths and were kind and caring and not only because matron was keeping a close eye on them, but because they were motivated to go into this profession for something other than money.

    • Too right, you wont find many women working down the sewers, working on oil-rigs, hovering above 400,000 volt electricity pylons or scaling up 5000ft TV masts – the really dirty and dangerous work. Where the fuck is Harriet Harperson and her bullshit ‘Equality’ Act when you need her?

      • the really dirty and dangerous work… is always left to guys🙂

      • If men had never existed we/women would still be living in caves – women have invented fuck all, designed fuck all, built fuck all. But oh yeah, but its mostly women that administer government ‘back-to-work’ schemes – the really important stuff. Equality my fucking arse!

        • overburdenddonkey

          germaine
          personally i would not like my young children to be taken down the sewers etc…but some sorts of work are very hard on the body, as i know to my cost, this work should be fabulously paid, limited in duration and at the 1st signs of injury caused by this type of work, a decent pension paid, with the option of working lighter duties if one consents to this…you are arguing for stronger solidarity amongst the work force to ensure work is properly rewarded, well, i am!

        • Sarah Sarahssen

          This is a man pretending to be a woman pretending that men are amazing.

          How *is* the basement at this time of year? Hope your mum’s got the right Sunny Delight in.

          • overburdenddonkey

            sarah
            we are all amazing, because we are very likely the only species bobbing along through the cosmos on our unique bio-sphere, that can say, “we are amazing”….some fools however think that they are more amazing than others, which for the many reasons of humanity, is always worth objecting to….

        • Wtf are you on about…

          Did a woman invent anti infection stuff.. I think she did

        • Germaine Greer.

          That is why the whole politically correct and equality concept is ridiculous in most areas other than income, I’m sure most women would not want to go down a mine or work in a sewer.

          • Sarah Sarahssen

            And most men wouldn’t want to wipe arses, what is your point?

            • I happen to know lots of men who wipe arses either as fathers, care assistants or nurses, what’s your point? More to the point what is your agenda other than to turn women into men or vice versa depending on your mood.

              • Dear Robert,

                I wanted to let you know straight away. I’m afraid we lost the gagging law vote in the House of Lords this evening. That’s it – it’s going to become law.

                It couldn’t have been closer. On the final vote, 245 Lords voted in favour and 245 against. Unfortunately the rules mean that in the case of a tie, the government gets its way.

                Personally I feel pretty devastated about this. I’m worried about what it means for the future of 38 Degrees. More importantly, I’m worried about what it means for the future of democracy, and what it tells us about the state of British politics.

              • overburdenddonkey

                g fawkes
                yeah, i wiped the arses of my children, except for some odd reason they don’t like me reminding them that i did…..

              • Sarah Sarahssen

                Mate I’m done talking to you, there’s too much you don’t understand, but you act like you know everything. And seeing as knocking bisexuals is just a laugh in these comments I won’t be fucked bothering again. Better places for my time, believe me.

                • Steven2011@lavabit.com

                  I won’t mock you, Sarah! I KNOW bisexuals exist. If anybody doesn’t all they have to do is look at wikipedia and it is all up there about sexuality in humans.

                • Steven

                  Are you sure it’s not a case of I know bi-sexuals exist because I am one.
                  What is that about being honest and oh what a tangled web we weave…..

      • Oh really? What about sex work? It involves a much higher than average risk of being robbed, beaten up, raped and/or murdered by misogynistic men.

    • Hey ahpooky baby, maybe you don’t get the job because you come across as a rather bitter misogynist and you don’t care who knows it?

    • Wow ahpook2012 you have managed to endure every form of gender discrimination possible – I may have even felt compassion if stretched enough to believe you but, you lost me when you brought being a white male into it…. Are you racially discriminated against too?

      • something survived...

        To reply as quickly as I can – Know of loads of single dads, straight, whose mental/violent exes turned up and snatched the kids/won custody. Abuse is bad whoever does it. Universal Credit will be paid to one adult only, usually the man. If that ain’t sexist/slavery…..! Have worked on helplines for men in domestic abuse etc cases.
        You may be pleased (!) to know that in my area there are TONS of women being put on workfare picking litter (though there are no toilets), or holding road signs at roadworks. They tend to be middle aged or older, and almost all I’ve seen/met have been disabled, including women with cancer or arthritis/back pain. Another workfare makes them and slightly younger girls put out or collect road cones, which are actually quite big and heavy.
        To finish: at one of my colleges there is a young guy/lad with Downs Syndrome, obesity and no personal hygiene. Because the council fired most of the staff, in the cuts, the place took on this kid as workfare. He got sent by the other branch [one handling learning disability] of my previous workfare/WPP. One week he tipped boiling water on me to be funny. Anyway, he has a problem which is inappropriate touching. I don’t fancy him one iota, but each week he touches or tries to touch me. He doesn’t understand no, and nobody (my tutor/classmates, all of them female, who find it HILARIOUS) including the staff at the centre, intervenes. I find it at best gross and at worst dangerous. If he is young enough I could get accused of being some kind of paedo; which I’m not. ‘Young’ to me is like 35; and I prefer people not to stink, and to be able to have a conversation.
        If you think of a straight man touching a straight woman against her will, the most common case of assaults, it’s no defence to say ‘well but she’s straight’. If she likes sex with men, that does not mean she consents to or wants it with EVERY man! A man who assaults, probably wouldn’t like to be chased and pawed by ‘Ann Widdecombe on Viagra’. (Or maybe he would…) If a man likes women, he probably doesn’t want sex with any/all.
        (16-year-old girls, very old women, bitches-on-wheels, his mother…)
        And a woman who likes women, feels exactly the same. And so on.

  32. Ah, but Geoff, `they` are indeed in recovery, it i us who isnt.

    The Queen lol – yep every human life is worth the same but, the monarchy? well, they actually believe we are another species, vermin in fact.

    This country is a joke at best and an insult to itself, half the people who are being screwed actually believe the bull they are fed and blame their own kind, despite the evidence of the elites handiwork.

    I am an anti royalist in theory (I dont label myself) I absolutely despise anyone who pisses and shits like the rest of us yet believes themselves above another human.
    They are mere men and women who have raped, pillaged and bullied their way into a status over millenia nothing else.

  33. BLUE BLOOD! ,WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS!!!!!

    THE ROYAL FAMILY HAS MORE MIXED GENES THAN A DENIM FACTORY…….

  34. Landless Peasant

    IDS = The Most Hated Man In Britain

  35. Thanks for the first link Billy Bob……..still cannot believe this is coming out…..the sanctioning conspiracy! Thanks Geoff Reynolds. I’ve been reading your posts for weeks.

  36. You are right Geoff, you are getting to us.

  37. trolls are us. | January 28, 2014 at 1:26 pm | Reply

    You are right Geoff, you are getting to us.

  38. sanction city @dwp nationwide

    posts are messed up in here!!!

  39. It is the dwp that is probably writing out the job ads, giving the addresses of perverts to apply to.

  40. http://www.family-action.org.uk/standard.aspx?id=18879

    THE Blind spots in thinking behind Duncan smith benefit cap ..single parents

  41. “Some people, upon learning of the homosexuality of someone close, will actually become physically ill and be sick.” Which is coincidentally my reaction when encountering homophobes

    • That makes you no better than them then doesn’t it?

    • something survived...

      Actually there’s nothing wrong with homosexuality, which is just a sexual orientation. Homophobia is a disease but the sufferers give it to themselves and enjoy making it worse. If you don’t like gay sex, simple solution, don’t have gay sex. If you are gay (or straight!) and have to live in a country with anti-gay laws or homophobic attitudes, homophobia affects much of everything in your life.

      Try being black in Segregation or apartheid. Fountains for whites only.,…

      • http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/12/iain-duncan-smith-universal-credit-plan-is-different/

        IDS and support for his vanity project
        I love how the tight wing comments presume that they are ” right thinking as in ‘ correct ‘. And anyone who isn’t is a ‘ leftard ‘

      • SS

        Gays have lots of recognition, they are prominent in most professions that is dictating lifestyle, fashion, music, t v programmes, politics etc.
        If anything the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of everything gays hold dear, being ageist, sexist, thin to give a boyish appearance for hetrosexual female models, partying and mixing up the sexes, predatory within the hetrosexual community as well as their own or drawing in young people to their partying or parades.
        Parents although would be accepting of their children who are gay are finding it hard going trying to protect those that are not from what some consider to be malign influences such as bisexuality, cottaging in public toilets, anorexis etc.

        • anorexia.

          • PS stop jumping on the racist bandwagon to further the gay cause, or is saying we do not need more migrants racist now, given that migrants themselves are complaining about numbers.
            I have nothing against the black community, they are not trying to recruit white members into their culture, but they have friends that are white such as myself who has championed black communities against sus laws, discrimination etc.

  42. sanction city @dwp nationwide

    signed off jsa today not even one month into the claim !!!! sanction galore, i have now re applied for esa at a cost of at least 400 quid to process not including my gp’s time!!! should not of been cunts in the 1st place should of just paid me my 71 quid a week i failed a jobseekers direction to open an universal jobs scam account i did so just under an alias,, the jobseekers direction never stated that it just said make an account…still fucking sanctioned also told my appointment with my adviser will be done in a private room within the job center!! also a manager present!!! twice she said ”why don’t you sign off ” was also asked if i am filming it! i just said your going on youtube! and left

  43. Jasmine

    I think there are good and bad in all walks of life, but I can see where you are coming from with religion and hypocrisy, especially when it is being targeted for ridicule, although some religious organisations and individuals ask for it when they act in a way that cannot be construed as religious in any shape or form, like IDS and workfare providing charities.
    it is them that will lose out in the end.

  44. Another Fine Mess

    Work and Pensions Committee
    “Jobcentre must be incentivised to get people into work, not just off benefits”
    http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/work-and-pensions-committee/news/jcp-rpt/

    • @AFM that eont help IDS needs scapegoats to blame if he is after the top job and depose Cameron …I think thats why they wanted to get him to quit. He wanted to be leader and PM.

  45. Another Fine Mess

    Jasmine
    “It is really getting out of control,”

    Yep, sanctions are mentioned here;

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/work-and-pensions-committee/news/jcp-rpt/

    Out of the few wordpress places I read/post, this is the only one that keeps posting comments in a random place.

  46. GORDON KEANE (Gordo)

    I do recall when I was support staff at the local Fire Department, former Ministry of Defense police man telling me that anything is your/there property until it is thrown out…then it belongs to the local council.
    So, that might explain some of this…but the police are also supposed to use common sense.
    I can understand them going to investigate strange goings on at the store, but to arrest the folks for “stealing” discarded food, and then the prosecutors insisting on a court case, is anything but commonsense.
    Its time we had the same kind of stuff they do in UKRAINE.
    We would soon see how democratic loving the NEW NAZIS are.

  47. GORDON KEANE (Gordo)

    This comment was meant to go here. So I will try reposting!
    I do recall when I was support staff at the local Fire Department, former Ministry of Defense police man telling me that anything is your/there property until it is thrown out…then it belongs to the local council.
    So, that might explain some of this…but the police are also supposed to use common sense.
    I can understand them going to investigate strange goings on at the store, but to arrest the folks for “stealing” discarded food, and then the prosecutors insisting on a court case, is anything but commonsense.
    Its time we had the same kind of stuff they do in UKRAINE.
    We would soon see how democratic loving the NEW NAZIS are.
    The REGIME will stop at nothing to protect itself…..but it’s a powder keg now….

    • @Gordo. But who owns rubbish ? If its unwanted its unwanted ..at which point does council own it ? But police gave it ‘ back ‘ to the store .even though they didnt want it …

  48. Reblogged this on Beastrabban’s Weblog and commented:
    I also believe extremely strongly in the importance of sound, harmonious marriages or committed relationships both in and of themselves, as an excellent environment for raising happy and healthy children, and as the foundation for a properly functioning society. Mr Void has here made some excellent points, as usual. There are all too many women trapped in abusive relationships. Many welfare claimants at the DWP are women, who’ve left such a relationship and need support while they rebuild their lives. They are not being best served or protected by legislation that deprives them of an income the moment they try to leave a violent partner. Rather than strengthening families, it seeks to promote and prolong an already dysfunctional relation, leading to more violence, physical harm and in some cases, murder as the violence is carried to its ultimate conclusion. And the Void’s also correct in that it is contradictory for a government, which is trying to limit abortion, to place more pregnant women in the position where the termination of their unborn baby may be the only thing that keeps them out of the gutter.

  49. maybe slightly off piste,little ref to our leaders lovely ski trip huuraah but ive just seen the latest “sainsburys” advert it features a lady in mid 30,s cooking but her sleeves are rolled up revealing a “sleave” of tattoos i have no problem with that,but isnt that a deeply cynical idea

    • It sounds like it’s Jack Monroe in the ad. She just looks like that but is the new ‘face’ (and arms) of Sainsuburys I think, after writing a blog including recipes made from their basics range, then (eventually) being offered some work by the Grauniad (as you do) writing recipes on a budget. The problem with this is that the Grauniad has become both unaffordable and unreadable but she’s not responsible for that.

      It’s not altogether off piste as she has written about being a single mum (living “on benefits”) often and has struggled/sold her possessions etc. to feed her son and herself at times.

      • something survived...

        She’s also a lesbian single mum. So tattoos are not a big deal.

      • many thanks shirley,i thought ide seen her face before,by cynical move,i meant that theres so many supermarkets now,its bloody stupid,so sainsburys were marketed as the upper class supermarket,so in an attempt to temp the working or non working class theyve chosen a “normal” lady in their new add not the usual middle class sterotype theyve used in the past

  50. i will never refer to ian smith a ids or ian duncan smith,he gave himself the double barreled title his name is ian smith nuf said

  51. Well, I’ve just been called a “disgrace” & a “racist” on Guardian CIF. My crime? Daring to question why Camoron & Vague Hague are going to allow Syrian refugees to come here, when our own are suffering due to benefit cuts & the bedroom tax & why is there forever money in the national kitty for every Tom, Dick & Harry from elsewhere who sticks their hand out & shouldn’t we look after our own first?
    Maybe if UK governments kept their noses out of other countries business, there wouldn’t even be this discussion.

    • something survived...

      I agree with MORE Syrians etc coming here. If the government gave me a paid job helping refugees and asylum seekers (actually helping, not fucking things up for them and getting them sent back), I’d do it.

      • Don’t forget though, it was only last year that Camoron wanted to bomb Syria, (That’s why he was sabre-rattling with Spain over Gibraltar, as means of placing warships in the Med) then backed out. This is a deeply cynical move by the government, to appear to be good guys in the eyes of the UN, who by coincidence have received a complaint to the UNHCR from Liverpool council as regards benefit cut & bedroom tax.
        I’ll defy anyone to say there’s not a connection.

      • Are these Syrian refugees Assad supporters looking for refuge elsewhere, we do not always give sanctury to the innocent in conflicts but the guilty, hence nazi’s hiding in western democracies after the war, just waiting to promote their influence again – like now.

  52. Landless Peasant

    *Off Topic

    We lost the vote on the Gagging Law. Democracy is being eroded and the UK is well on its way to becoming a Police State.

    • @landless yes I posted that…it won’t be free speech as they will privatise speech and. We will have to pay for it..
      Words will be trademarked and copyright owned..
      I am applying for the right to own the word
      ” THE ” if I get the right it will be The ( tm )

  53. Landless Peasant

    So sick and tired of the Tory scum. Surely IDS must be due for an heart attack soon…oh, I forgot, he doesn’t have an heart. Perhaps a brain hemorrhage, but he doesn’t have a brain either! Someone shoot the cunt.

  54. You will be wanting an crappy identity card next!

  55. “Trillions Of Dollars In Losses Would Be A Reason? JPMorgan Technology Vice President Dies”

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/trillions-of-dollars-in-losses-would-be-a-reason-jpmorgan-technology-vice-president-dies/

  56. “PARLIAMENT, THE NEW COLLECTIVE NOUN FOR “A SHIP OF FOOLS”

  57. Suspected conman advertised jobs on government website despite being wanted for fraud
    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/suspected-conman-advertised-job-government-6636536

  58. “NICK ROBINSON, A TALKING CESS PIT”

    Say’s it all.

    • Landless Peasant

      Nick Robinson is a cunt.

      • @Landless hear hear…they should sack the fucking cunt after this ..
        I reported to bbc against propaganda and bias against claimants to the bbc they said they will ” take note “…

        • Landless Peasant

          In the interests of balance I might also add that he is a dick, a cock, a bell-end, and a total fucking areshole.

    • The placard owner should have made a complaint to the Police and got Mr Robinson arrested on a charge of “criminal damage”. You can’t just go around destroying placards – Mr Robinson should be in the slammer for this.

  59. Landless Peasant

    Just fuck off and die, Ian Duncan Smith, you utter bastard, just fucking die.

  60. overburdenddonkey

    the nazi’s gained power by traumatising people, they knew that a traumatised population/groups of people were easy to control…the issue of human rights must always come 1st, without human rights, nothing else worthwhile, for the good of all, can happen…human rights are the foundation stone of socialism…trauma is healed by resisting tyranny, which is why it is natural to be angry with those that abuse our human rights….no strings free vitals of life, cure’s poverty and heals human beings….sanctions and conditionalities traumatise human beings….do we want a healthy and productive socially cooperative society or not? the only way to get it, is to stay focused on the key issue of achieving human rights for all…..

    • @Donkey agree bit it’s this obsession about ” saving tax payers money ” mantra they churn out daily which is bollocks as they have been pissing it away. To the theiving corps…..
      Its also divisive too which is intentional

      • overburdenddonkey

        chewie
        as you and i know the premise of saving tax payers money is false, it actually costs less, in all ways, to provide proper levels of no strings welfare benefits…but what this will not do is channel wealth to the rich, in the form of wealthfare…which is obviously why they put forward these bogus arguments for savage welfare cuts…

  61. …………….if everyone said, “fuck it”, we are not paying for the tv licence, the BBC WOULD BE SHAFTED AND THE GOVERNMENTS GOBSHITES WOULD BE SILENCED, ONCE AND FOR ALL……….

    THEY CAN’T PROSECUTE EVERYBODY.

    THE BBC IS FUNDED BY THE LICENCE PAYER, THE LEAST WE EXPECT IS THE TRUTH, NOT THE OPINIONS OF NANNY STATE PUPPETS WHO REWRITE THE NEWS TO ACHIEVE POLITICAL ENDS………………….

    PLEASE DON’T FORGET;

    THEY HAVE JUST WASTED £100 MILLION OF YOUR HARD EARNED FEES ON A DIGITAL PROJECT THAT CRASHED.

    COUPLE THAT WITH A FORTUNE IN GOLDEN HANDSHAKES FOR AN INEPT, HAND IN GLOVE HEIRARCHY RULED OVER BY THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF HONG KONG, PISSPOT PATTEN,THE TRUE BLUE TOILET RAG, AND YOU HAVE A GOOD REASON TO REFUSE TO PAY…………..

    SACK THEM, GIVE THEM THE BOOT, THEY ARE NOT LIVING UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS………………

  62. ……………..ONE OF THE FIRST TARGETS WHEN TROOPS ENTER A WAR ZONE IS THE DEMOLITION OF BROADCASTERS…………….

    THE DEMOLITION OF AL JAZEERA NEWS AGENCY, A PRIME TARGET!

    THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE SEEKS TO HIDE THE TRUTH AND THE ATROCITIES OF WAR THAT WE COMMIT.

    I HAVE SEEN AN ACTRESS EMPLOYED BY THE YANKS, ACTING AS A NURSE, TO PORTRAY FALSE INFORMATION TO THE MEDIA, VIA SATELLITE, PRETENDING TO WORK IN A FIELD HOSPITAL…

    AN AMERICAN RIDICULED WHEN HE MADE IT CLEAR HE WAS EMPLOYED TO RECORD LEVELS OF RADIOACTIVITY ON THE BATTLE FRONT FROM DEPLETED URANIUM TIPPED SHELLS WHICH ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BANNED

    NAPALM AND DEFOLIENTS, MINES, NERVE AGENTS AND TORTURE, OUR NEWS BURIES THE TRUTH.

    WHAT HAPPENED TO THE INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE FOUND WHEN TRACKING DOWN GADAFFI?

    BUSH AND BLAIR’S PRIVATE WAR?

    WHY IS THE CHILTON INQUIRY STALLED?

    SECRET COURTS?

    GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS?

    HIDDEN DWP ATOS CONTRACTS?

    PIP CONTRACTS , WITH WHOEVER WILL PICK UP THE GAUNTLET FROM THE LAST FIASCO?

    UNIVERSAL CREDIT?

    POLICE SHOOTINGS?

    ENERGY COMPANY RIP OFFS?

    BANKING BONUSES?

    NHS PRIVATISATION?

    INSUFFICIENT WELFARE PAYMENTS IN UK AS ANNOUNCED BY THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION?

    BEDROOM TAXES?

    NATIONAL STATISTICS OFFICE FIDDLING?

    EMPLOYMENT FIGURE COVER UPS?

    ZERO HOUR CONTRACTS?

    DEFENCE SPENDING?

    ARMED FORCES CUTS?

    WEAPONS DEPLOYMENT?

    CARE HOME ASSAULTS CONVENIENTLY DISMISSED?

    SEX RINGS IN GOVERNMENT?

    WELFARE MORTALITY RATES?

    LOBBYING UNCHALLENGED?

    ………………………THE LIST IS ENDLESS

    AND NOW THE GAGGING BILL………….

    “SO MUCH TO HIDE, SO QUICKLY”

  63. MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK

    APOLOGIES BUT MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK – ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX IT??

  64. Pret a Manger vows to continue to give unsold food to rough sleepers
    Sandwich chain Pret a Manger may face calls to curtail its food handouts to homeless people under a plan being considered by the London mayor.

    http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/regulation/gla-plan-to-curb-food-handouts/7001863.article

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  66. Double your dole, Eurocrats tell UK: Ministers told current handouts are ‘manifestly inadequate’

    Eurocrats sparked fury last night by ordering the UK to double dole payments.

    Ministers have been told they are in violation of the European Social Charter – potentially opening the door for claimants to take the Government to court to get more money.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548377/Double-dole-Eurocrats-tell-UK-Ministers-told-current-handouts-manifestly-inadequate.html

  67. My above response was meant to be further up

  68. 30 January 2014

    “Boris Johnson tells police to ‘get medieval’ on rioters”

    http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/01/30/boris-johnson-tells-police-to-get-medieval-on-rioters

  69. something survived...

    You mean use your tithes gathered from well-off peasants and upwards, to pay your required kingly/knightly duty of feeding the lower peasants, serfs and so on?

    Here’s another comparison where the 21st century falls down.

    • something survived...

      that was meant to be a response to the post about ‘what the police/government should do (their duty) about rioters?’.

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  71. In an effort to beat the DWP invoked starvation on my family, i have been circumventing the real butchers shops and preparing a delicacy of my own……………

    “Ebay burgers”

    You can produce a host of different flavoured, and textured burgers for only a couple of pounds……….

    The secret is in buying the right leather handbag, a wallet will only provide 2…………….

    Soaking the leather overnight makes it expand to nearly five times it’s original thickness and fries much easier.

    Beware of synthetic faux leathers, as these are really awful to eat, mind you, a meal is a meal after a long sanction!

    ………..always remember, when preparing these delicacies, to remove the buckles, rivets and zips……..

    “you wouldn’t want to end up in hospital and miss another job centre interview and face another sanction”

  72. IS IT TRUE THAT A MATURE PAPER BOY WAS DELIVERING NEWSPAPERS TO THE HOUSE OF LORDS AND WAS GIVEN £300 ATTENDANCE MONEY?

  73. overburdenddonkey

    wages are falling as inflation soars…the sharpest drop in wages since 1964 was between 2010 and today…..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25977678

  74. Can i make a small comment?
    It is apparent that people who are commenting on this site are referencing
    the dictionary.

  75. Another Fine Mess

    Editor of The Sun and News of the World is made director of communications for the DWP.
    Not satire, really!
    http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/former-sun-managing-editor-richard-caseby-lands-top-government-pr-role

    • “Caseby said: “Welfare reform and the introduction of Universal Credit represent the biggest transformation programme in the UK. It is fundamentally about changing culture and behaviour to make sure there is always an incentive to work”

      They say its not a political position ( haha) but we now have GOEBBELS at DWP…expect more scrounger leaked stories

  76. My name is [my] name

    can’t believe our queen says ” she has a god given right to rule
    come on Liz, you know, that ain’t cool
    and yes more than just a little bit odd, that you think you got the OK from god
    the DIVINE is looking down on liz today and saying dear liz with your bloodline so blue, listen to what i have to say…
    the right you think that you deserve. was the right and honour to duly serve.
    so don’t duly, get too ruly, that ain’t the right, not to smart, not to bright
    what i give, i can takeaway, breakaway, anyday, by the way
    for by my RULE you do not play.

    under article 61 of the magna carter 1215
    if we think we are being governed unjust, with so much mistrust, then we have the right to peacefully rebel, no taxes, no monies, no benefits for the the cartel, deathnell, raising hell.
    no more independent, commercial and industrial enterprises designed to limit competition and to fix prices
    full refusal to abide to any statute or law, the invalid, the pseudo, the two houses of the spiritual war.

    so liz
    break them up within 40 days, end the corruption, the injustice, or we will peacefully rebel, hinder in any way. the plan, the intent, the faction, the treasonous action
    and just like in the open air at Runnymede i do declare
    invoke the charter we must of the cowardly king john, the barginning chip from mr big boots, who limit his powers he did not
    the legend of the cowardly…the arbitrary individual, the despot.

    restore the golden rule, the olden, the golden, the bygone era of the afore, the ab initio, the beginning,
    the one, the only, the is, the all,
    the collective awareness, the absolute DIVINE, the set of all sets the conducive the illusive, the creator, the call, the maker, god’s acre, and teacher of Saints Peter and Paul.

    remember liz there is only one TRUE TRUST
    a relationship, a proclamation, an OATH you did make
    an ordination a coronation in 1952, a will and a testament to the men and women of the land, a spiritual enactment, a will, a hope, a stand
    an answer to the archbishop, ” i promise to do.
    a promise of law and justice, of mercy; and then you kissed the book,
    you sealed and signed the OATH and returned back to your chair
    the bible was given to the dean and remains there to declare a flare of
    Windsor fair…
    the day of your coronation the red, white and the blue.

    the day our queen spoke the words…
    queen. all this i promise to do

  77. Chewie

    I have a tv but it is not flat screen, the politicians flat comments are enough for me.

  78. Hello

  79. The highly confrontational former managing editor of both The Sunday Times and The Sun has been named as the new director of communications at the Department for Work and Pensions

    http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/bad-apples/#comments

  80. Reblogged this on The Heckler and commented:
    It’s worth giving this post from The Void a close read as it shows how austerity impacts badly on women and that it’s not an unfortunate side effect but is part of a deliberate policy from Iain Duncan Smith which reflects his reactionary religious views…

  81. Having to look at a tory on TV or in the newspaper makes me want to vomit, they are a breed that cease to be looked upon as in the human race. Sick little puppies that need to be put down come 2015. That is of course unless you are an individual who aspires to be rich through the lies of a party who cannot even run the country without spin. Work hard and one day you will be living a life like them… work hard and you create more like them for the sweat you work up working hard to live day to day for these beasts, they take your wage packet each week/month, take out their big cut and give you back enough to feel hopeful without being able to feel aspirational…. it’s a vicious circle… a monotonous circle one toils… rather like Jacob Marley.

  82. The Master Therion

    A racist might say – ‘The inferior group is lazy, anti-social, immoral , and in fact, biologically inferior’………….. a perfect synopsis of IDS and his Norman/Tory/banker parasitic vermin class

  83. I too have had to send for everything the dwp held on me,every objection I am supposed to have presented to them in an objectionable way was out there for the rest of the department to run when they saw me coming.

    I wonder how many trees are being cut down to present all of this data, surely it can be transferred from computer to computer if the claimant has one, we don’t know how much info has been doctored and how much is factual information anyway, I know a lot of my info was the figment of the authors’ imagination.

  84. Unmarried women are a threat as under common law they had (have?) control of themselves & their children, as opposed to married women who were under control of their husbands & could be treated as that husband wished.

  85. Wo/men AGAINST WORKFARE!!

    Workfare is psychological RAPE!! Workfare forces, manipulates and coerces its victims into doing something they wouldn’t ordinarily do. Workfare strips its victims of their free will. Workfare is brutal. Workfare demeans, belittles and soils its victims. Workfare is traumatic and distressing. Workfare is psychological RAPE!!!!

    • “Thank you so much for your message.
      I was bullied so much by my boss at my last job that I seriously was thinking about suicide.
      I had been working there for 3 years when she arrived and immediately decided she hated me.
      She was making up a file of lies about me so that she could sack me.
      She left one of her made up “incidents” on her desk which I saw when I answered her phone for her.
      The truth is that I worked extremely hard at my job.
      Because my balance is so bad I was accused by my managers boss of being at work drunk. He screamed in my face that 2 people had smelt alcohol on my breath.
      As I’ve been 100% teetotal for over 5 years how would that even be possible?
      I caught pneumonia and was hospitalized and after six, yes six days off work (including a weekend) I was being pressurized into resigning.
      After over 5 years of extremely hard work I was no longer required in my job.
      I’m now petrified of what my future holds. If I’m forced back to work by ATOS is this going to happen to me again?
      I just can’t wait to get the whole thing over with and move forward”

      I reposted this from another site on disability
      Amazing how we can have tv programs about benefits and ppl apparently living the high life by claiming ..but not show the shitty way disabled people are treated in the workplace because that would not fit with the ” Making work pay ” narrative ..which is also bollocks since UJM doesn’t actually make work pay….neither does workfare ..in fact it does the opposite
      No let’s just support the old benefit scrounger myth after all they are not human are they ..just creatures that way we cab kick and punch and order their execution
      Except that in the real world the poor souls are ending their own lives anyway..
      Tragic isnt it ? Consider suicide whilst in a job ..consider suicide whilst out of a job

  86. Workfare Must DIE!!

    Slay the BEAST!!!!

    • “And there are fears the bedroom tax is set to get even worse. Con-Dem plans to introduce a new universal credit will see families hit by the bedroom tax within three months of a loved one dying and their room becoming unoccupied.”

  87. A FEW YEARS BACK, I RANG THE DWP AND ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY HELP AVAILABLE FOR LOOKING AFTER MY FATHER WHO HAD LEUKAEMIA.
    THE SWITCHBOARD OPERATOR TOLD ME NOTHING WAS AVAILABLE.

    I RANG AGAIN ONLY TO BE TOLD THE SAME.

    IN DESPERATION I WENT INTO THE JOBCENTRE IN SCARBOROUGH

    AND ASKED THE MANAGER, HE SAID IF I HAD RUNG AND BEEN TOLD NO, THEN NO MUST BE THE ANSWER……………………

    FOR SEVENTEEN MONTHS, MUM AND I CARED FOR MY FATHER AS HIS CONDITION WORSENED.
    WE HAD TO BATHE HIM, CHANGE NAPPIES, FEED HIM AND GENERALLY CARE FOR HIM.

    WHEN HE GOT REALLY BAD WE HAD MACMILLAN NURSES TO HELP GET EQUIPMENT TO AID HIM, TOILET FRAMES, WALKING FRAME, WHEELCHAIR, BATH LIFT ETC.
    THE MACMILLAN NURSES TOLD MUM AND I THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GETTING AN ALLOWANCE TO LOOK AFTER HIM.
    AGAIN I RANG THE DWP AND WAS TOLD THAT THEY HAD NO RECORDS OF ME EVER CONTACTING THEM…………

    I WAS ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS.

    BEING DISABLED MYSELF I FELT IT REALLY HARD GOING, IN FACT I TOOK DAD TO HULL HOSPITAL, WHICH IS OVER FORTY MILES AWAY, ON 52 OCCASIONS!

    MUM AND I HAD TO ARRANGE 4 CHAIRS ON THE DRIVEWAY TO THE CAR, WE LIFTED HIM FROM ONE CHAIR TO THE NEXT TO GET HIM TO THE VEHICLE………….

    THE DAY AFTER MY DADS FUNERAL, A DWP SNOOPER TURNED UP AT MUMS HOUSE, DADS FLOWERS WERE ARRANGED ROUND DADS PHOTOGRAPHS IN MUMS LOUNGE, THE SNOOPER WAS UNAWARE MY DAD HAD DIED AND HAD COME TO ACCUSE MY MOTHER AND I OF PUTTING IN A FAKE CLAIM.

    I GOT REALLY MAD AND ASKED HIM TO LEAVE, MUM WAS IN TEARS.
    HOW COULD THEY SEND SOMEONE ROUND STRAIGHT AFTER A FUNERAL?

    A WEEK AFTER THE FUNERAL MUM RECEIVED A LETTER TO SAY THAT MY DAD HAD BEEN AWARDED THE HIGHEST RATE OF CARERS ALLOWANCE AND WOULD RUN FOR THREE YEARS…………..

    THIS WAS A TOTAL INSULT!

    THE DWP RECKONED TO HAVE DONE AN INTERNAL INQUIRY TO SEE IF ANY MONEY COULD BE BACKDATED FOR THE SEVENTEEN MONTHS WE LOOKED AFTER DAD…………….

    WE RECEIVED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, MAINTAINING THAT WE HAD NEVER CONTACTED THEM…………………………….

    • @geoff i am sorry for your loss and what you went through knowing how unwell ypu have been..this obsession with ” saving tax payers money ” has got completely out of hand …

  88. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AGAIN, TO STRESS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR A CLAIMANT TO HAVE ALL THE FACTS AT HAND WHEN CHALLENGING A DWP DECISION………

    IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO REQUEST ALL INFORMATION THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF WORKS AND PENSIONS HOLD ON YOU.

    SEND THEM A LETTER, RECORDED DELIVERY OF COURSE, AND ASK FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

    IT COSTS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING……………….

    GIVE IT A GO!!!!

    MY INFORMATION ARRIVED IN THREE LARGE ENVELOPES AND WAS OVER SEVEN INCHES, 18CM DEEP.

    STRANGELY MY HISTORY SHOWED THAT I HAD EASILY MAINTAINED OVER 15 POINTS, NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE BENEFITS IN THE PAST, YET WHEN TESTED BY ATOS, ACHIEVED ZERO………

    • Meanwhile on a different planet :

      Daily Shite ( Star )
      ” White Dee: I Deserve to live off benefits ” ( why the attack on her I wonder ? perhaps her caring for others doesn’t fit their message of lazy types )

      Then:
      ” Benefit blitz on scroungers “from the daily sexpress ( produced by porn merchant dirty des )

      • I never watched Benefits Street but my understanding was that the ‘ white dee ‘ character had been helping others..now they are out to demonize her….what the fuck are they up to now ?

    • Daily Bale most popular Political Blog in British Politics
      Posted on January 31, 2014

      There certainly is no doubt now that the Daily Bale is rising up the ladder fast in the British Political climate of thought and belief.
      Love it or hate it, but the fact remains that The Daily Bale is now reaching tens of thousands of people every single day – and the numbers are rising.
      We sail into port today with 2,000,000 hits, and we are averaging above 6,000 and up to 22,000 hits per day. We must be saying something that rings very true in the British Public’s hearts and minds.

      We have been villified by the left wing and called all sorts of names, ranging from ‘fascists’ to ‘racists’ ‘extreme right wing’ ‘thugs’ and ‘criminals’.

      Of course we expect that from them, but there again, ‘Kettle/Pot’ comes to mind when dealing with the politically correct left wing, but also a range of other discriptions that ring very true in the British Public’s perception of the left wing these days, like – hypocrites, traitors, liars, race hate stirers, anti British, marxists, communists, militants, e.c.t. e.c.t and on and on it goes.

      But we at the Daily Bale also fully admit that our founding and birth did not get off on the right foot. We made mistakes, some of them whoppers, and some of them we really do deeply regret.

      Our original founding member, Joshua Bonehill-Paine, was also the founder of ‘Stand Strong’ a movement set up in the wake of the tragic death of Drummer Lee Rigby.
      This movements aim was to bring the nation together in peace and harmony, and to hold a series of peaceful marches up and down the U.k to show solidarity, unity, determination and protest against extremism within the United Kingdom, and to bring all communities and all identities together in understanding and peace.

      This movement was aggressively attacked, slandered and branded as fascist by the left wing politically correct marxist militants, and all its peaceful marches were disrupted by left wing activists and extremist left wing militants.

      Joshua Bonehill-Paine was villified as some kind of right wing extremist leader and a common criminal.
      Still to this day, the left wing post ‘hate’ articles about Joshua, and they still have an obsession with Joshua so profound that it boggles the brain.

      To the vast majority of people, Joshua was, and still is, a National Hero.

      We at the Daily Bale, do not condone or agree with some of the ways that Joshua went about striking back at the left wing bullying intimidation and vile slander that they used in trying to destroy a completely peaceful, benevolent and moral movement like ‘Stand Strong’ – but we do know that Joshua stands today facing justice for his part in this unfortunate and unpleasant scenario that played out over the coming months after the Stand Strong marches, and Joshua never once denied his wrong doing in fighting back at what he believed to be a great injustice in itself against a moral and peaceful cause.

      And so the question remains, what came of all this and where do we stand today ?

      Joshua went on to found The Daily Bale, directly in opposition to left wing political correctness and leftist marxist militant politically correct bullying, intimidation and manipulation.

      The birth of the Daily Bale got off to a bad start, with the left wing attacks and persistant posting all around the internet of lies and nonesense about what the Daily Bale stands for.
      Joshua, as we now know fought back, but alot of people got caught in the crossfire.
      And the left wing also made up and messaged anybody with vile lies about The Daily Bale who they saw coming on board with the Daily Bale and supporting us.
      To the left wing politically correct marxists militants, The Daily Bale was their worst nightmare.

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      Joshua is still around, but does not post these days as often, but he does still have a massive following, as we the Daily Bale team, and our Guest writers see every day with the many hundreds of personal messages of best wishes sent in to Joshua here at the Bale site.

      We are moving to a new domain later this year, as our backers have offered us our own domain with our own privately owned site. But dont worry, it will all still be business as usual.
      Thats what we do here and what Bale stands for – Britons Against Left-wing Extremism.

      To all our supporters and followers, we love you all, and our warmest regards.

      Daily Bale Team.

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      Justin Bieber charged with assault Daily Bale Exclusive
      Posted on January 30, 2014

      The Daily Bale stands for all young people and the rights of youngsters to grow up in an enviroment that is safe and secure, with boundries untainted by political correctness and left wing brainwashing.

      We have seen in the news of late, that Justin Bieber has again been arrested and now charged with assault. Some would say that he should know better. But some would also say that all youngsters should know better, and so should their parents who bring them up.

      But in today’s toxic enviroment of twisted left wing political correctness, what chance does any child have, or for that matter, their parents either ?

      Today’s children are taught that they have the right to do whatever they like, and if an adult tells them off for doing wrong, then the adult is wrong for doing that, and the child should ring Childline and report them for it.

      So instead parents try to be the childs ‘friend’ instead of an adult who knows better than the child and who should set boundries and consequences.

      Teachers cannot teach because they have no power to discipline the classroom, so children are mainly running riot in schools and learning nothing whilst they are there, only to leave school without qualifications, and no prospects or future.

      Children are becoming violent and committing crimes alot younger, and most adults stay well clear of children, and children from adults because the adult doesnt want to be accused of some vile act, or the child see’s the adult as a potential abuser in some way, shape or form.

      So where does that leave the child ? Stuck in a world without boundries, without security, without discipline, unable to learn anything, and mistrustful and suspect of all adults as potential abusers and monsters.

      This is the politically correct world that we introduce our children to, because a small bunch of left wing politically correct marxists tell us its wrong to bring them up any other way.

      And then we ask why our children are going off the rails earlier and dont have any respect for others or themselves ? and even more so, why children from other countries who still bring their children up as nature meant them to be brought up with boundries, discipline, and the security of authoritarian loving parents – do alot better than our kids ?

      The answer is – the countries that do better with their childrens upbringing – dont subject them to political correctness and crackpot left wing mentality.

      Their children learn more, achieve more, and have self control and self respect, and a work ethic that far outways our own.

      Justin Bieber, even with all his wealth and people around him, just needs alittle guidence and a dose of reality, which right now he might just get in a court of law.

      But what about our own kids growing up, that dont even have all that wealth ?

      Isnt it better that we give them so much more with a childhood where they can grow up in true reality, with real boundries and parents who are parents, and not ‘politically correct friends’ ?

      Lets get rid of the P.C nonsense once and for all, and throw out the left wing marxist garbage.

      Lets get back to proper decent ‘real’ parenting, and lets give our kids a safe and secure enviroment to grow up in, with boundries and consequences.

      Lets ditch political correctness and get back to reality – before its too late !

      William Preston. Guest writer for the Daily Bale.

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      Ukip and Conservative Party more popular than ever. Daily Bale.
      Posted on January 30, 2014

      Ukip and the Conservative party are now more popular than ever before, and the feel good factor is spreading across the U.K.

      But a Daily Bale poll suggests that a large percentage of people want a Ukip-Conservative (UKCon) coalition in 2015, and people want the security that comes with a Ukip strong control on immigration, and a Conservative tight grip on public funds and the economy.

      Also, there is a strong public feeling that the ridiculous and unjust ideology of political correctness has to go, if the U.K is ever going to restore sanity, law and order, and true morality.

      There is a large sector calling for the banning of the marxist militant left wing race hate movements such as “Hope Not Hate” who peddle race hate and disorder by continuously bringing up race and accusing people of racism and fascism, when in actual fact, these so called “anti fascist” movements are racists themselves by bringing attention to people’s race, and recognising “difference” in race in the first place, and then accusing other people of racism, where none is.

      This is from BALE. Britons Against Left Wing Extremism
      Who of late seem to think that Justin Beibers little problems are the result of pc correct left wing Marxist extremists …and not because he is overpaid talentless arrogant brat…

      What a mad world..

  89. HAVE YOU GOT YOUR TICKETS FOR THE DWP ATOS LOTTERY?

    SATURDAY NIGHTS ROLLOVER, TAKEN FROM THE RECENT MORTALITY COUNT, IS FOURTEEN THOUSAND AND RISING.

    COULD YOU BE AN UNLUCKY WINNER?

    ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MATCH ALL THE “DESCRIPTORS AND YOU COULD WALK AWAY WITH THE BIGGEST PRIZE EVER AWARDED IN HISTORY……………

    “YOUR LIFE”

    ALREADY MANY HAVE JUST MISSED OUT, FEELING DEPRESSED, HUNGRY AND SUICIDAL.

    THERE IS NO NEED TO BUY A TICKET.

    ENTRANTS WILL BE INFORMED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF WORKS AND PENSIONS.

    ALL YOU NEED TO QUALIFY IS AN EXISTING DISABILITY, EITHER PHYSICAL OR MENTAL.

    THE WINNING NUMBERS ARE DRAWN BY AN UNQUALIFIED HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL.

    PREVIOUS WINNING ENTRIES CAN BE FOUND AT A CEMETERY NEAR YOU, OR SCATTERED ON HALLOWED GROUND.

    ALL CLAIMANTS WILL BE CONTACTED BY POST (BROWN ENVELOPE)……………….

    ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE PART IN THE DWP ATOS LOTTERY OF LIFE?

    ALL ENTRANTS WILL HAVE THE UNIQUE PLEASURE OF BEING RE-ENTERED INTO THE DRAW, 3 MONTHS AFTER THE TRIBUNAL HAS DECIDED OTHERWISE.

    FIFTEEN POINTS WILL DECIDE IF YOU QUALIFY FOR THE SUPPORT GROUP, WRAG OR THE CEMETERY……………..

    YOU HAVE GOT TO BE “IN IT TO WIN IT”

    WHO WILL BE THE LUCKY PERSON THIS WEEK??????????????

    • According to the daily mirror Iain Drunken Spliff is considering stopping the pensioners bus pass and winter fuel allowance for the elderly ….next we will see a campaign on ‘ pensioner scroungers ‘. That cunt has no shame whatsoeverv…

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