Second Suicide Linked To Welfare Reform Reported This Week: RIP Victor Cuff

atos-paralympic-protestAnother tragic suicide has been reported which appears to be linked to the brutal Work Capability Assessments used to strip people of benefits by declaring them ‘fit for work’.

According to South East London newspaper, the News Shopper, Victor Cuff, aged 59, hung himself in May after his sickness benefits were cut.  The newspaper reports that Mr Cuff had previously had suffered from depression and an inquest into his death heard that he had been “feeling down” and was having money problems after his sickness benefits were reduced.

This is the second suicide linked to withdrawal of sickness benefits which has been reported in just one week. On Monday the Bristol Post featured the story of Jacqueline Harris who took her own life after being found ‘fit for work’ resulting in her benefits being slashed.

Anyone who claims these suicides are not linked to welfare reforms has probably never been poor.  The trauma of poverty can be devastating and perhaps the worst part is looking to the future and seeing little way out.  For those suffering from depression – and many people without any money end up suffering from depression – the feelings of hopelessness can be even more acute.  People on sickness benefits were poor already.  To make them even poorer, via a system of inhuman and crude  computer based tests, is breathtaking cruelty.

Attitudes towards mental health are hopefully slowly changing.  Several high profile people have spoken out about their own experiences and been well received by most of the public.  There is no doubt that this has helped remove some of the stigma associated with mental health.  But sadly this seems to only apply to the rich or famous.  The same newspapers who praise the bravery of well known personalities like Stephen Fry and Alistair Campbell accuse poor people with mental health conditions of being scroungers and benefit scum.

Few people are depressed enough to qualify for sickness benefits anymore.  The vicious regime run by French IT firm Atos has declared hundreds of thousands of people with mental health conditions ‘fit for work’, often even against the advice of their own doctors.

One of the most serious symptoms of depression is suicidal thoughts and behaviour.  Not everyone will report these to the Jobcentre, and even if they do they are unlikely to receive any real support.  They certainly are unlikely to get their benefits back, which is what they need.

It is hard to imagine a more callous system than one which requires people who claim they are feeling suicidal to prove it, often at a series of repeated assessments.  Yet that is the way people with no money now face being treated if they expect to be able to eat whilst they manage their condition.  These deaths are far from the first tragic events linked to welfare reform and sadly they will not be the last.

(above pic from a memorial service held by disabled campaigners outside the offices of Atos, the company responsible for carrying out the Work Capability Assessment)

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  1. be preperred for a lot more don’t those 99percent who aint rich now whots really going on killing us off one by one yet they sleep those 99percent or are listening to government retric we are the social scroungers but when your children ask mammy daddy why are thereno disabled people in Britain jeff3

    • Place: Police State UK: Time: The not too distant future: A small child walks down the High Street nervously clutching her Mum’s hand; furtively looking around at the machine-gun totting black-clad DWP storm-troopers she meekly asks: “Mummy, mummy, where have all the disabled people gone?” “Shoosh, disabled people never existed, it was all a big lie… and don’t you ever mention ’em disabled people again! You hear me?” “OK, mummy.” [child starts to cry] A whirring noise frighten the child as a CCTV camera homes in…

    • Job available !!
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      Salary : N/A

      Job description: scapegoat
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  3. Thanks for posting this. Another tragic suicide caused by ATOS and the DWP. Your comments have said it all.

  4. Reblogged this on Still Oaks and commented:
    How many poor souls have to die before this country rises up.

  5. Having been unemployed for 11 months now at 59 I feel my life is all but over, I receive a meagre £71:70 a week to survive on, my winter energy bills will be almost half of my income, how many well off people or politicians would tolerate the thought of half their income having to be spent just to keep warm? There will be thousands of deaths this coming winter due to fuel poverty, legalized manslaughter from an out of touch, uncaring regime, very very sad.

  6. “The vicious regime run by French IT firm Atos has declared hundreds of thousands of people with mental health conditions ‘fit for work’, often even against the advice of their own doctors”.

    That is largely because of the absurd DWP descriptors/points system and how it is structured, including on form ESA50. It often prevents the symptoms that prevent someone from working from being effectively taken into account. In other words, the system is not fit-for-purpose. I am talking here mainly in relation to mental and behavioural conditions.

    While Atos are a joke and frankly evil (I have direct experience of them myself, having had my main conditions not mentioned at all in the Atos assessor’s report), it is the ESA system itself which is at fault, especially when it comes to mental and behavioural conditions.

    I could sit down with anyone now, and show that, if you were tasked with using the current approach, you would not technically be able to determine many claimants as being unfit for work. The points structure and the way the questions are posed, the boxes you have the option or not to tick, etc., would prevent you from giving an accurate assessment of someone.

    All I’m saying – and I also commented on this point in a recent Void post – is that yes, Atos are fuckers, but the key problem is the current ESA descriptors and points system. That is the main problem. It’s all well and good to slag off Atos, but say they are replaced… what then? The same system in place, but a different bunch of corporate profiteers and liars? Would that be okay with you all? I think this almost exclusive focus on Atos and less so on the DWP’s points system itself is not great and actually won’t achieve what we want to achieve. As one isolated example, I see Dennis Skinner stand up in parliament the other week and he makes no mention of the DWP, just Atos – to which I would reply with the point I just made: yes, replace Atos, but what then?

    What is needed is a root and branch reassessment and reform of the current system of assessing people.

    • Tick box mentality tick box policies tick box govt..

      • overburdenddonkey

        they have ticks…
        good idea of yours to “film” all job search activities, so they have to go through bns of hours of claimants search reviews, and then have to write up a report on it…

    • overburdenddonkey

      to every descriptor applies the exceptional circs regs, which also applies to the interactive overall nature of health conditions…that said it is the WCA that should be scrapped, as it sets the sufferer up to prove need, which is plain wrong, it sets out to minimise the affacts of medical conditions, to the extent of de-existing the original, often multiple, interactive, diagnosis…the medical dispute is between the dwp and gp’s and nhs…if gp’s tick “not fit for work” box, then they should take responsibility for doing so, but atm this responsibility is dumped by the system, onto the victim of sickness and disability to prove need, it sets up trail by ordeal…the 3rd party contractor and the dwp are fully aware of all of the wca regs, when those regs are not properly enacted because of inaccurate info provided by in this case a 3rd party contractor and poor reading and interpretation of known evidence and of the medical facts of specific health conditions, by the non-medically qualified DM, then they are culpable…the “fit”, and well oiled machine that dumps the onus on the sufferer to prove need, this is plainly wrong…yes i agree some descriptors are plain nonsense, but overall a case can be made on most of them to aware maximum points…simply scrap the wca, is best…
      on this and other deaths caused by this belligerent system…the epitaph must not be to blame the victim for their state of mental or physical health. the loss of vital benefits is clearly the cause…depression is caused by the external pressures of unrealistic expectations dumped on the victim to solve, unsolvable problem…once a sick and disabled person loses their vital benefit entitlements, one has to pull out all the stops to fight the might of the administrative system, for benefit reinstatement, made now, much worse by MR (mandatory reconsiderations)…clearly people ground down by the system, after being told that they are fit for work, and who know that they are not, and are also sick and disabled, have a hard fight on their hands, one ceases to have a life in the full sense of the word, as one is totally pre-occupied with this fight for vitals of life….the bastards grind one down, but know this, we are in truth, we are right, we must fight, we must win…it is a fight worth winning and worthy of the investment of all of the strength we can muster, humanity depends on it…they are training people to obey and not challenge the system…find as much GRASSROOTS support as one can, communities thrive by working together…..demand to be heard…not herded…

      • Cheers for taking time to reply. Yes, just as I posted my comment it suddenly occurred to me about exceptional circumstances, and I see your point. In fact I won my appeal in May due to exceptional circumstances.
        I agree with all else you say, and it was interesting. One thing: the very first descriptor (about mobility) the ESA form says this is about physical things, not mental issues (they come later on the form), but for someone with agoraphobia, anxiety and panic disorder, they are unable to walk 1 metre without discomfort, but technically this gets no points on descriptor one, as they say it not a physical symptom…. which I tell anone it is in a real sense physical, with dizziness, shaking, etc. This is not to disprove any of what you say, it’s just an additional opinion/example.
        I’m currently waiting to hear back after filling in an ESA50 for reassessment. Always very stressful. Today, I spotted a brown DWP envelope through the letter box, got very anxious, only to find it was a letter informing me that i will soon be receiving a £10 christmas bonus. Better than nothing, I suppose, but it must cost them almost as much to send out the letter and do the admin. All for £10. Thanks Santa.

      • Nil illegitimis carbarundum (can’t spell) don’t let the b……. get u down. U r better then them. The so. Called ruling classes. A corpse is better then them! Stay strong

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  10. Landless Peasant

    Terrible. How can this be happening in 21st Century Britain? It’s absolutely disgusting. IDS, George Osborne, Lord Fraud, and David Cameron are accessories to Murder. The lot of them deserve to be hung.

  11. To IDS and DWP this is collatoral damage ..
    ” you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs ” ..heartless tragic wasteful cruel…and very very sad .

  12. ive been put on esa wrag after i won an appeal .used to attend once a month ,now told its fortnightly .is this legal for esawrag group.?there sending people under with this madness.R I P to everyone who has lost there lives through these evil sanctions.

  13. Another of the victims that can be firmly linked to the inadequacy of BILL GUNNYEON of the DWP.

    Elevated to the position of Chief Medical Officer and yet, still fails to spot the escalating death tolls that are directly linked to his department and the evil unleashed against those who are considered vulnerable.

    A murderer by association to the policies he permits………

  14. I understand that the head of ATOS used to be head of French Telecom and pushed through a ‘restructuring’ programme there that saw the suicides of scores of workers. This is one viscious fucker!

  15. Atos Healthcare conducts disability assessments, using criteria set out by Iain Duncan Smith, then provides the DWP with independent advice on how to make the claimants life as short as possible. This advice is used by a DWP Decision Maker to coerce claimants to suicide. Atos will in no way be paid more than ten thousand pounds in bonuses for any single death, which is regarded as a success by the DWP. Every death triggers an automatic transferal of funds into our Bank account from the DWP, this we very much appreciate and is passed on to our staff.

  16. Agreed it is the system that has been instituted by IDS and his cohorts of ministers and civil servants at the DWP who are ultimately responsible for these deaths and many more. But, I was just following orders is not good enough. Atossers are complicit in the current torture of the sick and disabled. It is their so called health professionals who write the report that the DWP uses to make a decision. How can the correct decision be reached when these people omit relevant information, out right lie and try and trick you into proving that you are actually fit for work. How about the old dropping your meds on the floor thing or asking you how you managed to get to the assessment.
    In my own case the nurse who I saw was incredibly angry that I couldn’t just give her a yes or or no answer for her tick box computer programme and badgered me throughout to only give yes or no answers. She was the one who suggested that I was actually socialising when I went to the supermarket and leapt on the idea that if I had my dead mothers elderly dog living with me then I was somehow fit to work.
    When the brown envelope dropped through my door I could barely believe that the nurses report was actually about me. She lied, let me say that again she lied about my responses said she performed physical assessments that she did not and recommended a return to work in three months. Oh and not forgetting that she completely omitted to include my main condition in her report.
    Even the DWP disagreed with her and stated a return to work in a year and a half. Obviously I appealed with all the resultant stress which negatively impacts on my health and now I am in the support group waiting in fear for my next assessment to check if my degenerative conditions have somehow miraculously improved.
    I refuse to excuse Atos as just carrying out their job as per DWP instructions. The nurse that I had the misfortune to see was actively trying to deny me sickness benefits not assessing my ability to work and she did not care how she did it whether that be a direct lie or omission of relevant information. Therefore as far as I am concerned Atos are complicit in the harassment of sick and disabled people and not just doing their job.

    • I recall an ATOS doctor posted over on intensiveactivity (this was way before ATOS’ underhand and devious disability denial methods were exposed). Anyway, the good doctor lol gave an example of deliberately booking an appointment first thing on a Monday morning for a Work Capability assessment because in their opinion nobody who was genuinely depressed would make it to an appointment first thing on Monday morning! And what further compounded the nail in the coffin for this particular ATOS victim was that she turned clean, tidy and made-up. Benefits stripped! This so-called ‘diagnosis’ completely ignored the symptoms of clinical depression. My eyes almost popped out of my head when I first head it – how could someone be so callous and to boast about it too? – it was only many months later that articles reporting exactly what this ‘doctor’ was boasting of began appearing in the ‘mainstream’ media.

  17. At the time of writing – 97,879 signatures to the WOW petition. Can it reach 100,000 signatures by 12:12 hrs on 12/12/2013?

    • Without being over confident I think it has a good chance of getting to the 100k. Just as long as TPTB take it seriously and not ignore or throw it away or the torygraph hate mail write disinfo crap to put ppl off…

      • i always wondered with the daily mail how they manage to get hold of peoples benefit details etere there making it up or breaking the law.

        • I rather think they have more than a passing relationship with DWP. Was it not pointed out that DWP sought daily mail approval before policy was implemented.

          • so dwp must but leaking confidential information to them which is ilgall

            • Exactly…sounds rather like phone hacking scandal in a way..question is are DWP getting back handers for this info or are they leaking it deliberately ?

              Well then there is a question folks. Daily hate mail etc where are all the million pound a week gold plated mansion stories coming from ?

  18. Mentally unwell = ‘ depressed ie s bit fed up ..cure ? Oh yes ‘ buck yourself up and quit moaning
    Other definition of mentally unwell = dangerous axe weilding lunatics attacking people in the street …
    That is the simplified view of tory towers and daily hate land

  19. Go on Dennis.

  20. “5 benefit changes the government don’t want you to know about”

    • overburdenddonkey

      a very powerful article, a must read…
      they are scum…they clearly want us to evaporate, to free up accommodation and jobs

    • All of these journalist writing about past and present abhorrent policies against the sick and the unemployed, yet what are they actually doing about it other than expound the message and give the right wing readers a good laugh?

      • overburdenddonkey

        g fawkes
        the more main stream journos publicise the truth about these idealogical, savage cuts, the better, it gives a louder voice to our plight…

        • obd

          they are preaching to the converted you will never get those of right wing affiliation to sympathize with those they are out to destroy.
          You have to take this country away from the rw factions which would mean all of those with conscience enough to have written about it putting their words into action.

          • overburdenddonkey

            so convert more people, with reasoned argument, because without the consent of the masses their will be no revolution of conciousness…i can think of no revolution the has ever deposed tyranny…

            • overburdenddonkey

              ps mark
              or should i say g fawkes…

            • Very perceptive obd, it is guy or should that be gal fawkes, anyway if no revolution has ever deposed tyranny, why bother revolting and you can’t talk socracratic reasoned argument with the unreasonable and those with a closed mind.

        • I am sure they pay trolls to appear on guardian CIF and twitter to act as deniers and disinfo merchants ..I was getting that on twitter after mentioning stuff about the welfare deaths ..

  21. This country is a joke thankfully to the government who has no interest in is county’s people. They dont care if we live or due aslong as they are ok. They haven’t a clue how real people live. .. its about time the people took the county back and removed the wasters we have running this Country

  22. Yes atos are to blame dave as they lie! Omit vital evidence! Fill in untruths on their systems need I go on!

  23. Sadly it now appears necessary for those with suicidal thoughts to actually have made at least one attempt to take their own life before ATOS actually accepts that they have such thoughts.

    Only by having a failed attempted suicide on your “CV”, will ATOS accept that you are at risk. The nurse who assessed me said “If you have suicidal thoughts, why haven’t you attempted it yet?

    • overburdenddonkey

      what an odious and dreadful thing for the nurse to say, shame on them…

      • something survived...

        How about saying to her, if you’re such an expert on suicide why don’t you do it? Cow. Is she a psychiatrist? Does she have a medical degree? And aren’t police/docs meant to (in their job rules) try to talk people out of it not into it. even physically prevent it (even against a rational person’s will)?
        That thing assumes that if you tried to take your own life it was always because of a mental health problem. You can be totally sane/rational in completed or attempted suicide. There are all kinds of other reasons for suicide. The sick law in verdicts of suicide has the wording ‘while the balance of his mind was disturbed’. Huh? Were they inside the person’s head at the time? How the fuck would they know?
        They should definitely scrap that wording. Suicide is not the same thing as insanity. In law ordinarily everyone is assumed to be sane, rational etc. unless found by a proper psychiatrist to be insane. They need psychiatric assessment over a period of time to judge their mental state. And it does not follow that suicidality automatically means you will/should be listed as not sane, if you can argue a rational standpoint.

        Of course another sane/normal/reasonable reaction to Atos/government would be to become HOMICIDAL…

        (For a compromise, kidnap IDS and dump him in a slurry pit. Let him walk home covered in shit…) [may not achieve much politically but may help you feel better]

      • obd you wouldn’t believe the TRUE stories I have to tell about mental health staff and their hospitals.

    • I would have swung for the horrible cunt.

    • Ah thats fucking nice of them isn’t it ? Maybe by killing yourself they will put it down as ‘ anything to avoid the WCA hence they were guilty of avoiding work and claiming ‘ and to avoid being found out they killed themselves .oh and the shame of robbing tax payers of hard earned money

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  25. I’m in after work programme at the JC at the moment and my advisor has been bullying me into ticking the box to allow access to my search. I gave all my job search written down in paper and she said it was no use as I cannot search to see that you have applied and that I need to see that you have clicked the apply button. She also bemoaned the fact I needed to do it to help her do her job.

    I told her to phone any of my applications at random. She said she cannot do that. I said I heard random checks were done on applications and she said no that doesn’t happen and you need to tick the box. I said well that isn’t my fault and that i will continue to write down the jobs until Duncan Smith changes the law. She also said that when Universal Credit comes in in April I will have to give access then or my money will not be paid to me? Is this true?

    Great blog by the way.

    • She lied!!! You must put in a complaint. Hope you recorded everything. Do not tick the box. Why do you think it is there?

    • overburdenddonkey

      this is a great site to browse…

    • Fuck da jobcenta

      Just watch they don’t bust you under that ‘not actively seeking work’ bullshit!

      • something survived...

        my apply button doesn’t work. so clicking it doesn’t do anything.
        clearly somebody lied as they all contradict eachother on what you should or shouldn’t do.

    • There’s lots of advice and help on the Unemployment Movement websiste.

    • Claimant’s own written uncorroborated evidence is one of the stated acceptable ways of providing job search. The arguments against sounds horribly familiar though, (“It makes my job impossible/harder” etc) but they’re now accepting what they insisted on more than one occasion they couldn’t/would not be able to. Whether this will change with UC …

      Just when you get ‘used’ to/expect the bullying/pressure, it dissipates again … different adviser; different day – as though none of it had ever happened & they skip over jovially saying, “Hello, how are you? Is everything going ok?” “Yes of course – never been better. Apart from the small matter of being a nervous wreck & being out of work – everything’s great. Thanks again for all the ‘support; it’s a great help!!

  26. I never ticked the box but she said in April once Universal Credit comes in I will need too.

  27. Universal Jobmatch Toolkit

    Chapter 3, Paragraph 82, it states quite clearly:

    We cannot specify to a JSA claimant how they provide us with records of
    their jobsearch activity and Universal Jobmatch will not change this – it is not
    therefore possible to require JSA claimants to give DWP access to their
    Universal Jobmatch account.…%20Response.pdf.html

    Paragraph 89 – it says:

    the onus is on the claimant to provide evidence of their jobsearch activity (by whatever means they choose).

  28. You do not even have to show her. Read them out to her and let the lazy lying bitch write it down on the LMS.

    • Fuck da jobcenta

      But you can have 1000 jobs on your joblog but when the ‘adviser’ fills in the ‘not actively seeking work’ stencil they will put like 1 or 2 at most. It like guarantees a sanction so you have to make sure you have ‘evidence’ to back up your case when you go to challenge the decision. And make sure you follow you Jobseeker’s Agreement to the letter.

      • something survived...

        Okay so you have no hands or your hands don’t work/can’t write, you can’t use UJM etc, and you are doing paper based signing? (except those bitches/bastards at JCP will say ‘you can lick stamps’)

  29. Is it also true they don’t check up on your applications.

    cheers lads

    • something survived...

      Half a mind to write (in BIRO!) my jobsearch diary in Klingon and throw in insults like Qab SoSli Quch (your mother has a smooth forehead). [NB the I is a capital I, I think – but here looks identical to L so I put it in lowercase]
      Or ‘your ship is a garbage scow’.
      Or… ‘You burn [=cook] your gagh [=serpentworms]’
      Or some more Federation Standard [=English] ones like : ‘Go and mate with a droid’; or ‘Go and pilot your ship into a supernova’.

      Or just stare at them for ages. Then say, “I’d always wondered. So that’s what happens when the despair-squid humps an adding-machine.”
      [offspring being the jobcentre-pustule signing you on]

      • overburdenddonkey

        they have a lot in common with the borg…assimilation is mandatory…

        • something survived...

          The borg aren’t that bright. Can’t even design a streamlined ship [giant cube].

          Today’s Stupid SAnctions (SA: Sturmabteilung)
          2 men at our JCP got sanctioned this morning. Failure or refusal to apply for a job. And what were these amazingly brilliant and appropriately selected jobs? Matched to your skillset and abilities, as they say?

          The first man was told to apply for a job as a home-based (didn’t ask him if his tenancy bans working from home, or if he has storage space) and travelling seller of cosmetics who is also a beauty therapist. As well as business qualifications, all the above and home-based car, internet and phone; you need qualifications in beauty therapy and all the certificates for the different treatments, and insurance, and a DBS check, and references. And another tiny little point about this job, you need to be female. He pointed out that as well as not having the qualifications, interest, aptitude or experience, he is also male. He was ordered to apply, then sanctioned when he said he wasn’t going to because the job is for women only.

          The second man obviously hadn’t heard what happened to the first man, and was told to apply for a job as a carer. He didn’t want to do manual lifting of human beings as he has a bad back already, has no DBS, isn’t a great driver, not interested in the job. In the job title it said, and it repeated this point twice in the job description, only female applicants are allowed to apply. The job involves being a carer and PA for a disabled woman. (I don’t think it makes sense either, that disabled people can be ordered to do or apply for jobs as physical carers of other disabled people, or be sent to do it as part of workfare)
          From the woman’s POV that sounds terrifying. You’ll be sent whatever company/agency cobbled together the cheapest bid, with untrained staff who may not give a fuck and could be using people on workfare. Who probably won’t have a clue about your, or any other, disability. Who don’t see/treat you as a person. How do you know your carer won’t be some male, pervy weirdo or a sex offender? A BNP member? Someone who will rape or abuse you, or film you naked on their phone and put it on the internet? While being paid or not. Or someone who’ll leave you lying in your own mess and go off, because they’re being paid or because they’re not. Even ‘correct’/trained, NHS/Local Authority and private agency carers are telling disabled/old people they have to choose between toilet, washing, food, and shopping.
          So the man said he wouldn’t do it. Chiefly because he’s male.
          And earned himself an instant sanction. Though the job was clearly ‘unsuitable’ and ‘unreasonable’.

          I arrived on time though they’ve made my signing time earlier and much harder to get to. I gave them a flawless form and they seemed angry I’d done it properly. Afterwards they were talking about sanctioning me and I heard them. They were trying to find something they could sanction me for. I hope they came up with nothing.
          Maybe it’s my failure to, AFTER I had signed, apply to be a tank commander in the barmy? And my failure to apply to the above two jobs. There was a job I could do at a department store (however they want you on your feet all day every day, so not possible with disabilities and ME/CFS). I had to point out I had less experience than they wanted, and it was 16 hours so I’d lose all of my benefits and it’d pay less than benefits. In any case my appearance is wrong for that place.

          A company/agency called Shore Group is hiring night-time shelf stackers. It’s 7 nights a week with no holidays/breaks, but is temporary so you’d then be thrown back on the dole and lose a week’s benefit and be delayed months in the reclaim process. It’s at a supermarket which they won’t name. It says you need public transport, but there is none here at night. They want you to drive at any time with your own car to either of 2 supermarket branches. One is about 2 miles ‘locally’. The other is 40 miles, you can get there on a train if there IS a train (there isn’t one at night) in half an hour. Not that you could afford a train if there was a train. You obviously can’t walk 80 miles a day with no sleep and then work all night. You obviously can’t get a taxi. You probably don’t have a friend or relative willing to drive you for free. If you’re disabled or over 60 you might have been given a bus pass, but of course at night there are no buses. They say you need a driving licence and a car. So a daily commute of at least 80 miles on nights you are sent to that place, and there’s no allowance for fuel so you must pay for the privilege of coming to work in that delightful place. And the nicest part of the job? The pay. I checked it out and it’s not a typo. For a worker my age of over 25, they expect you to work 7 nights a week (no pension or employee rights/benefits, or holiday/break) on backbreaking and soul-destroying shelfstacking. Every week even if sick. They ignore rules on NMW, or say that they as an agency can use a loophole to get out of paying NMW. BEFORE tax etc deducted from your pay, your weekly pay packet will be a whopping, generous £68. The calculator informs me that before tax and other deductions like NI are taken out, this comes to £1.70 an hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          What can you afford to live in for £68 a week? A really shitty caravan? (To be evicted as soon as your job ends, then you can’t get help because you ‘voluntarily gave up’ your previous accommodation) This assumes of course you have zero bills, don’t require a water supply, never wash, and don’t require food. If you ‘remember to eat something’ and buy food, you’ll be straight into rent arrears. Of course you might prioritise keeping a roof, even a rattly corrugated one, over your head. So to keep your job and metal box on wheels/bricks, you go to work at your shitty job hungry because you paid your rent. Till the day you collapse at work and your shitty boss tells you that you may not be fit for work, so they tell you to go to Atos. Atos agree; and you get thrown out of your job, and threatened with being thrown out of the caravan or trailer. You try to get benefits but you are sent back to Atos. In a scintillating burst of logic, they tell you you are fit for work, so you lose your disability benefits and/or don’t get them, and/or have to sign on. The JCP say you are not fit enough for work. But still force you to sign on, though you’re sick/disabled and fighting the unfair dismissal, Atos appeals process, and fighting the eviction at the same time. Probably by this point you have become depressed too! Meanwhile your shitty job sacks everyone and replaces them with workfare. You are sent back as workfare to your shitty job. Possibly even while sanctioned. By this point you ARE too sick to do the shitty job, so collapse again; and get sanctioned again, for not engaging with the workfare. If anyone gets killed or seriously injured while on workfare then it isn’t a problem legally as you are not workers/employees so don’t count. In some cases you can be signing while on workfare, so they could expect you to work there nightly and come in fortnightly in the day to sign on at the jobsplatter (JCP). Do not ask questions like, ‘Excuse me, where/when/how am I supposed to eat/cook/sleep?’ Imagine being disabled, kicked off ESA onto WRAG or JSA, on a 3 year sanction and still for some reason forced to go to workfare and sign for JSA you can’t get. What are they going to do when they decide you’ve committed a 4th offence?
          ‘Come to workfare in your pants. 5th offence, no pants. 6th offence, no pants and we insert a large cucumber.’

          Back to reality; I didn’t apply for that oh so generous shelfstacking job.
          Two weeks ago a single mother got sanctioned, for bringing her kid along to signing on! (Can’t put it in childcare, there’s no money and no available places; can’t leave it home alone, as that’s Neglect) A month ago a disabled woman got sanctioned. She was on time for signing but the wheelchair lift at JCP was broken. So she couldn’t get down into JCP. They could see her and refused to go to her. They told her to walk but she can’t. Um, WHEELCHAIR?
          (No, disabled people just wear them as a fashion accessory, the Daily Mail guru says)
          So they sanctioned her when she told them she can’t walk. They said she should have known in advance the lift would break, and should have got herself a [really expensive] device that can climb stairs, or learned to walk, or arranged to go to a different jobcentre (which of course means closing your claim, losing a week of benefit, and delay of a month or 2-3 months for payment for a new claim). (I wondered if they would suggest she ought to levitate or fly or teleport!)

          Today a woman got sanctioned because she had a hospital appointment at her last signing on time.

    • Yes they do check up. Not very often but they do. It is best to have online accounts with say CV Library/totaljobs etc and apply for loads of jobs as proof should you ever need it. If you are blagging it just don’t tell them about the jobs that want you to come to an interview, job done and no risk of sanction. Make sure you apply for all the jobs the Jobcentre give you and go to any interviews as that is a major way they get to sanction people, for not applying.

      • So going to an interview for job as brain surgeon despite the fact you not being qualified has nothing to do with it…mind you going for interview with Atos could be interesting .qualifications : psychopath
        Hobbies : mass murder

  30. Do a search on this site it is very useful.

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  32. something survived...

    Universal JobCrap doesn’t recognise that some people get sick/headache/migraine from exposure to computers or the computer screen, or it triggers seizures in some people. They want such people to stare at a screen for 35 hours a week? That’s like putting you on a floor that you can’t get off, and giving you electric shocks all day.

    Wank Programme/Work Pogrom, had nothing for any kind of disability. Even the disabled toilet was inaccessible, broken, dodgy, not very private, not reachable from our wing of the complex, within earshot (a metre) of front desk. It could be seen into by anyone outside it.
    No lifts in any of building. All chairs broken in some way, many broken completely. No chairs suitable for small people. No stairlifts, or evacuation facilities. Most of the computers broken, the rest of the computers alternated between ‘intermittently broken’, and ‘working-ISH but shite’.
    Unsafe electrical equipment in tiny inaccessible unhygienic kitchen.
    Site itself inaccessible as down a steep slope (chairs would crash going down it/couldn’t get up it), miles out of town in unlit unsafe area and crime/drugs hotspot.
    Computers had nothing adapted for blind or deaf people.
    If that shit is your only access to the internet how do you spend 35 hours a week (if blind) looking for jobs on a screen (if it works) you can’t see, with no facility to read out text, when they kick you out at or before the two hours you get once a fortnight? (Sometimes 20 minutes or less, so you can’t plan your day at all).
    AND the site was originally ‘designed for disabled people’.

  33. I keep saying it, but IDS and his ilk are FUCKING MURDERING SCUM
    When will we have justice?

  34. its not just mental health they aee declaring everyone fit for work I have two types of arthritis in my ankles knees hips hand spine and neck and I have still been found fit for work its a joke I suffer with severe depression because of the above but it just falls on death ears they have been told to ignore all medical evidence and to go with the 15 to 20 minute atos medical its all inhumane and this government has got so much blood on its hands they need to be stopped

  35. Newbie Jobseeker

    Quick question:

    What does “write to x employers” mean on a jobseeker’s agreement? Apply for jobs? Spec applications? Or is is deliberately vague?


    • It all depends on if the “x” is actually a number. if it says write to 3 employers a week then you have to write to 3 employers and ask for work this included e-mail.
      If it just has a “x” on it then it is not one of your steps to find employment and can be disregarded, unless they have started writing in roman numerals and then it would mean write to 10. It would not surprise me if the sneaky bastards have started doing this.

      • Thanks, Ed. Yeah, ‘x’ is a number – 20 in fact lol So this means I have to send 10 spec apps a week? So if I apply for like 10 jobs a week but don’t ‘write’ to 10 employers a week I will have broke my JSAG? Doesn’t sending a CV/writing a cover letter count as ‘writing’ to an employer. And why can’t they be more specific i.e. apply for 10 jobs a week, send 10 spec apps a week? What the fuck does ‘write’ mean, it is open to interpretation and could literally mean anything. Are the jobcentre deliberately trying to catch jobseekers out?

        • The jobcentre kind of reminds me of Humpty Dumpty from Alice in Wonderland:

          “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”

          • something survived...

            IDS sat on a wall
            IDS had a great fall
            And none of the sanctioned women and men
            Could bother to glue him together again.

        • And what does an ’employer’ mean? Would an agency count?

          • They seem to now be inferring that ‘an employer’ is any potential person/organisation that could offer work. The WP, aided & abetted by the JCP, have been singing the praises of agencies (on the high street) – even though the work they offer is fairly often (but not always) on/off. Anything to get us off their books & onto someone else’s (an ‘outcome’ for them) for however long that might be. Agencies are (sort of) the ‘new’ newspaper ads./an alternative as far as WP/JCP are concerned (as that’s so similar to what they themselves do …) & they think nothing of ‘encouraging’ people to register/sign up to them.

            It’s not impossible for an agency to be a good way into longer-term work (or until recently might have been) but isn’t always going to work that way. The hope seems to be that by emphasising the good possibilities, as many people as possible will go & register with agencies – perhaps be offered some work (however short-term) & if they then have to reclaim/do without a regular income, well that’s not their problem …

        • Yes they are trying to catch you out and get you sanctioned and off benefits. The wording is not specific so you can use it to your advantage. applying for jobs does count. Send a few letters off and ask for free samples or info about a product. Remember
          “Paragraph 89 – it says:
          the onus is on the claimant to provide evidence of their jobsearch activity (by whatever means they choose).
          Chapter 3, Paragraph 82, it states quite clearly:
          We cannot specify to a JSA claimant how they provide us with records of
          their jobsearch activity and Universal Jobmatch will not change this – it is not
          therefore possible to require JSA claimants to give DWP access to their
          Universal Jobmatch account.”

          You only have to tell them.

          Have fun with that. I know i do.

      • Another Fine Mess

        Dear Business Owner.

        My JCP adviser, Ms. Bloggs at High Street JCP 0845……. has asked me to write to 10 businesses per week.

        So congratulations!
        You been choosen completely by random as one of my 10 this week.

        I’d just like to take this opportunity to wish you a Merry Xmas and a happy new year.


    • Perhaps it’s like x both cases its a work of fiction

      • something survived...

        Where’s Wolverine when you need him (sigh) (imagines Wolverine using the steel spike things to rip out IDS’s throat)

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    Just when will this end

  37. All of these journalist and bloggers writing about past and present abhorrent policies against the sick and the unemployed, yet what are they actually doing about it other than expound the message and give the right wing readers a good laugh?

  38. George Osborne MP - Chancellor of the Exchequer

    As part of the Government’s ongoing austerity drive and to bring the National Deficit to within manageable fiscal constraints I intend to abolish all out-of-work benefits and bring in a Programme of Mass Workfare for current recipients of all out-of-work benefits. I will announce further details to the House in the forthcoming Autumn Statement on Thursday 5th December 2013.

    George Osborne MP – Chancellor of the Exchequer

    • Interest rates are going to go through the roof, the bottom is going to drop out of the housing market and prices are going to drop dramatically.
      Anyone earning over 30K will have to take a 50% pay cut and all tax loopholes and offshore accounts have been declared illegal.
      There is going to be a ban on sterling leaving the country and a ban on exports from companies that have investors in the UK and the rest of Europe.

    • something survived...

      As part of the People’s ongoing austerity drive, and to bring the national Nausea Quotient down to acceptable levels, we intend to abolish/recycle all current MPs and bring in a Programme of Mass Workfare for all current incumbents of both Houses of Parliament. We will announce further details to the House in the forthcoming sherbet-dip-flavoured sex-bomb on Thursday 5th December 2013.
      The People

  39. Europe has had a increase of suicide as well,due to the many cuts to social programs.This is so wrong.It is time for people.The time is NOW!!!

    • something survived...

      Good news, said IDS.
      What? said the People. You mean you’re terminally ill, IDS?
      No, said IDS. I have an exciting announcement to make.
      Oh? said the People. You’re going to commit suicide?
      No, said IDS. It’s wonderful news.
      Well, you mean there’s a rogue drone incoming in the direction of your head? said the People.
      No, said IDS. It will cheer up the whole nation.
      Oh, said the People, your contract just expired and Satan is turning up so he can drag you to hell?
      No, said IDS. Morale will go through the roof.
      Oh? said the People. You ate one of John Gummer’s mad cow burgers in the 90s and now your brain is going to turn to mush and trickle out through your nostrils?
      No, said IDS. Britain will be proud and great once again.
      Oh, said the People, the Martians are rendering you back home?
      No, said IDS. We will all sleep much easier in our beds from now on.
      Oh? said the People. You caught that bug that eats your face?
      No, said IDS. Britain is going to become a nation of those that can, not those that can’t.
      Don’t tell me, let me guess, said the People. Geologists found a massive sinkhole or chasm several miles deep that’s about to open beneath Parliament, and our happiness quotient will rise as a nation and our average IQ will go up 50 points.
      No, said IDS. We have devised a way to rid the country of parasites and useless eaters, no-hopers and layabouts and scroungers, once and for all.
      Oh, said the People. Your house has been wired directly to the National Grid, and something you touch in it is live and will fry you? And we can watch it on webcam and YouTube?
      No, said IDS. We’ve come up with a computer that selects those known as Lebens Unwerte Leben, or so my friend Angela Goebbels tells me. Those with the very least to contribute to the country, society and the economy will be selected first, in a sort of lottery. Those chosen will be recycled.
      Oh bollocks, said the People.

      Then some guards came in. We’ve identified the first lucky recipient of the new recycling scheme, the first person selected by the computer as the most unworthy of life in the British Isles. The name is IDS.
      ‘something must have gone wrong with the Machine’ sputtered IDS as he was hauled away.

  40. Sometimes I think Tahrir style protests are needed, but we don’t have enough people. Small ones will just land the people who do them with a criminal record.

  41. Had a good argument with the drone at Job Sanction Plus today: she told me I work for the government and my job is looking for work.

    I told her not to lecture me and said “Just do whatever you have to do. I’m not interested in anything you have to say.”.

    It’s almost comical how rude they to people returning from The Work Programme. And these idiots are supposed to be helping people back into work?!

    • did you request min wage!

    • They’re being drip-fed from further up the chain of ‘command’ to start to prepare people for the idea of a 35-hour ‘working-looking-for-work’ week. They don’t stop to consider the effect of the language they’re being told to adopt/unconsciously or more consciously choosing to use on the unemployed person sat opposite. In many cases haven’t learned empathy earlier on so the job is perfect for them …

      It would (almost) be hoummus if it were fiction/The Truman Show.

    • Another Fine Mess

      Don’t for get to tell her that her pay is a much bigger drain on the taxpayer than you are. And if it wasn’t for you she’d be unemployed herself.

    • If you work for govt then you have a job so no need to look for one..

  42. Every year same old shit piling up, we got to stay strong though and fight armed with the facts about what these psychopaths are doing. It’s worse than a horror film for many but we have to fight for those that can’t.. Something has to give way .

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  44. “This is exactly how the Holocaust started in Nazi Germany.”

    Step by step, bit by bit…

  45. ……… strange as it may seem, somebody has requested freedom of information access to the memorandum that was issued to staff within the DWP.

    The memorandum is further proof that this department is losing the plot completely when it comes to diagnosis of a claimants, physical or mental, disabilities.

    Now ATOS has been secreted in the background, obviously for violating codes that the government instructed them to violate in the first instance, the DWP have now been instructed to turn to the internet………………….

    Who needs trained medical staff nowadays when you can teach a nurse in a few days, cheap doctrines of how to discredit a patients disabilities, by sending them to Derby University.

    It makes me wonder if they have access to the Observers book of Disability Denial…….

    DISABILITY DENIAL is what all this contrived fiasco is about, a method of unleashing private health insurance on our shores using the connivance of a select group of influential people to infiltrate the powers that be…………

    The FACULTY OF OCCUPATIONAL MEDICINE has been a springboard for those select people, acting in the interests of the much discredited american, UNUM INSURANCE GROUP and ATOS, to launch this attack on U.K. markets………..

    Just do a bit of googling and the links with these discredited companies become sinisterley apparent.

    BILL GUNNYEON, now the CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER OF THE DWP,is the kingpin behind this scandal that is yet to rock politics. Indeed, nearly every link to any event that he has chaired or spoken at, bears fruit as to the existence of corporate management sponsorship from these firms.

    Each and every venue has the same participants, the same participants who have succesfully steered the government down a one way street.
    Perhaps i am being a bit modest here, because the government are also part of the bigger picture, as are the AUSTERITY, WELFARE REFORMS, that have been unleashed on the weakest and poorest within our shores…………….
    All part of a bigger corporate plan that was enabled by a handful of carefully chosen people.

    Dame Carol Black, Paul Lichfield and Bill Gunnyeon have all been prime movers in the movement aimed at introducing private health insurance by the back door.

    The decommissioning of the NHS is the biggest part of the plan. PRIVATISATION BY DECEPTION.

    To bolster what i am saying, just red the following lines that show the UNUM link;
    TAEN CONFERENCE, Sponsored by UNUM, London 29th oct 2008.

    Among the morning speakers were; Dr Bill GUNNYEON (DWP)……

    Professor Michael ODONNELL, UNUM Chief Medical Officer…


    Losing the benefit crutch
    Source:Occupational Health Date:01-09-2005 Type:commentary and analysis

    But, as Dr Bill Gunnyeon, former president of the Faculty of Occupational Medicine, pointed out in May, occupational medicine will need to broaden its horizons to address not only the health needs of people at work, but those of the working age population as a whole. Anything that helps people who have been ill to get back into work would be broadly welcomed by OH professionals, argues Dr Barbara Kneale, occupational health and safety advisor at car manufacturer Peugeot Citron in Coventry.


    Simon Burns (Minister of State (Health), Health; Chelmsford, Conservative)

    We are not aware of any meetings between officials and UNUM. However, Dame Carol Black, expert adviser on health and work to the Department, met them on three occasions in January 2012 to discuss the positive relationship between work and health.


    Commenting, Professor Michael O’Donnell, Chief Medical Officer at Unum said:

    “Dame Carol Black’s ‘fit note’ will be a major step forward in addressing attitudes towards sickness and the sooner we can introduce it, the better. Changing the mindset and therefore attitudes is the critical first step in bringing about a real and effective change in approach by all parties.


    Source:Occupational Health Date:01-07-2005 Type:news

    Dr Bill Gunnyeon stood down in May after three years as head of the faculty to became chief medical adviser at the Department for Work and Pensions, where he will play a key role in plans to get millions of people off incapacity benefit and back into work. The role and importance of work in the lives of people and the interaction between health and work now has a profile and a focus that it has never had before, and our specialty encompasses a unique set of skills and experience that can make a significant contribution to this agenda,” Gunnyeon added.


    Dame Carol Black

    Chief medical adviser warns that funding requests will be challenged

    A tax break for companies that fund interventions to get absent employees back to work will be considered by the Government, but much work needs to be done to analyse its implications.

    This was the message from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) to insurers, healthcare professionals and employer representatives at the Association of British Insurers this morning.

    “Any conference I have been to, it [removing tax disincentives to fund healthcare] is one of the things that employers have consistently raised and I understand that,” said Dr Bill Gunnyeon, chief medical adviser at the DWP. “But I’m not making any promises.”


    Health and Wellbeing at Work Conference
    5-6 march 2013
    Venue; NEC Birmingham

    Speakers include;

    Dame Carol Black

    Bill Gunnyeon CBE

    Professor Sir Mansel Aylward



    Health and Wellbeing at Work Conference
    5-6 march 2013
    Venue; NEC Birmingham

    Speakers include;

    Dame Carol Black

    Bill Gunnyeon CBE

    Professor Sir Mansel Aylward



    Association of British Insurers in partnership with UNUM and AXA PPP Healthcare.


    Dialogue panel includes;

    Dame Carol Black
    James McGarry CEO UNUM
    Bill Gunnyeon CBE (DWP)


    London 2012.
    The 6th International Forum on Disability Management was chaired by two of the worlds leaders on the “good work is good for you” movement,Professors Dame Carol Black and Sir Mansel Aylward.The UK movement is going gang busters. Dr Bill Gunnyeon, Chief Medical Adviser and Director for Health and Wellbeing at the DWP,described how their surveys of GPs attitudes has shown a remarkable turnaround, with most GPs now agreeing work is beneficial for health, and around two thirds agreeing that GPs have a role in getting people back to work.


    Bill Gunnyeon said:

    “I am delighted to be joining the Department and very much looking forward to the challenges and opportunities which lie ahead. I will be seeking to build on the outstanding work of Professor Aylward, who has made such a valuable contribution to the Department’s achievements and whom I feel privileged to be succeeding.”



    Sadly, guess who is the independent scrutineer for ATOS,

    The one and only PAUL LITCHFIELD…..


    Sue Godby, UnumUK
    Dr Angela Gra­ham, Atos Origin
    Dr Paul Litch­field, Fac­ulty of Occu­pa­tional Medi­cine (Bill Gunnyeon, now the chief Med­ical Advisor to DWP was the pres­id­ent of the FOM)

    In Phys­ical Tech­nical Work­ing Group included:

    Dr Angela Gra­ham, Atos Ori­gin Med­ical Services
    Dr Peter Dewis, Dis­ab­il­ity Ana­lyst and Cus­tomer Care Dir­ector, UnumUK
    Dr David Hende­r­son Slater, yet again

    The former Chief Med­ical Advisor to the UK gov­ern­ment, Pro­fessor Mansel Ayl­ward, was instru­mental in advising the UK gov­ern­ment to set up med­ical assess­ment centres based on the model in Amer­ica, and he is still fun­ded by the same Amer­ican com­pany used in his example, with his research centre in Wales. The company’s name: UnumProvid­ent (UK). Indeed, his research centre for Psychoso­cial and Dis­ab­il­ity Research is based at Cardiff Uni­ver­sity (Pro­fessor Ayl­ward is the Dir­ector) is named the“UnumProvident Centre.” Pro­fessor Ayl­ward was also instru­mental in how the recent Wel­fare Reform Act was to be imple­men­ted by the DWP. 8

    …………………………………………………………………………..Silver Jubilee Business Dinner 4TH DEC 2003

    Aboard Royal Yacht BRITTANNIA, Edinburgh



    The Department for Work and Pensions announces today the appointment of Dr Bill Gunnyeon as Chief Medical Adviser, Medical Director and Chief Scientist to the Department for Work and Pensions.

    Currently Medical Director of Capita Health Solutions and President of the Faculty of Occupational Medicine, Dr Gunnyeon will take up post on 1st June 2005.

    He succeeds Professor Mansel Aylward CB who is retiring from the Department at the end of April to take up post as Chair in Psychosocial and Disability Research at Cardiff University and Director of the new UnumProvident Centre at the University. He will also chair the newly established Wales Centre for Health which will lead on improvements in the nation’s health.




    Here is the link;


    • overburdenddonkey

      the truth is that they all use behaviourism to warp definitions by use of ambiguous words, phrasings, and compliance pressures ie use ones weaknesses against one to gain compliance from one..that attempts to makes ones past and therefore ones personal history/story meaningless, rewrite ones history and/or ignore it, redefine the present, as if, one got to this point from a different past than one claims and knows one did..the past, is what they say it is/or no longer matters ie what got one to this present point no longer exists in their conversations at one…new beginnings for one, so that they do not suffer the burdens of existing one’s past…i got a letter saying that i am fit for work because,”he/i can travel when required”, them saying that is an attempt to completely wipe out my personal circumstances, is designed to cause me frustration, and use my physical weakness against me…

  47. These comments were sent to me by a friend……

    Geoffrey .. Dig deep into the Faculty of Occupational Medicine (registered as an independent charity) and you will find that they too are a member of the same Atos family along with their partner the Royal College of Physicians of which the FOM is a faculty member of, and living rent free in the same accommodation.. By both groups distancing themselves and pertaining to be a different organisation from Atos/Unum they can gain additional seats on government advisory panels, give support to policies, and be additionally consulted on new legislation to give strength to the intended changes., all whilst being part of that same group.

    In 2009 the FOM held their 30th Anniversary celebration at the House of Lords supported by their sponsors Serco and Atos Healthcare..

    Occupational health services serving more than 1,000,000 Government and private employees had achieved SEQOHS accreditation by October 2012. this is managed by the Royal College of Physicians (RCP) on behalf of the Faculty of Occupational Medicine (FOM). Staff working for some of the country’s biggest employers are receiving occupational health advice and support from accredited services; this includes 1,000,000 staff looked after by ATOS healthcare. A hint came from Cameron when he said “We are all in it together.”.

    • Yes geoff I came across FOM a while back and I posted on here about them even then..the links to industry ..such as private health and insurance ..far too cosy relationship

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  49. Please note how the insurance industry is steering the government at all times by the implementation of policies drafted by a select few people.
    Those select few people are the lobbying instruments who are all linked in some way to the FACULTY OF OCCUPATIONAL MEDICINE, UNUM and ATOS.

    People are dying on an unprecedented scale, due to the actions of these people who are pursuing an agenda that they are being rewarded for.
    The deaths of human beings, created at the behest of a discredited american insurance giant and corrupt officials within our ranks, demand that intervention by the police should be immediate and the perpetrators brought to justice…………………………….

    Start at the top of DWP, and fully recognise, BILL GUNNYEONS role in these heinous crimes against humanity……………………





    ONLY TIME WILL TELL……………………………………………..












    WILL ENSURE, YOU BASTARDS, FALL…………………………………..




    EVERY SINGLE DAY………………………………………………

  56. Councils call for tougher laws to police ‘aggressive beggars’

    Some of the comments on this thread are beyond the pale ..apart from my own ..

    • I guess the next thing will be the ” if you don’t like it then stop complaining ” which will become compulsory with new gagging llaws ..

      • overburdenddonkey

        they say it’s for the best, can’t have the undeserving poor, thinking out loud, and cluttering up capitalist progress now can we…

    • chewie our council is calling for money to be spent on security at our run down hospital because a vagrant got in and found a bed for the night on one of the disused wards and even had a shower – unusual for a vagrant.

  57. And another one gone, and another one gone.
    Another one bites the dust. 🙂
    Hey, I’m gonna get you too.
    Another one bites the dust.. 🙂

  58. This coming winter should kill off a few burdens on the welfare state. 🙂
    I’m dreaming of a white Christmas 🙂
    Just like the ones that kill you know.
    Where the poor are stricken.
    And children listen.
    To hear death knells in the snow. 🙂

  59. Judithhaire

    We can do without medical meddlers on here whatever party they belong to.

  60. Whilst the tory turds persist in punishing those who have sod all, Andrew Lansley claims £6000 for London hotel expenses when he owns a flat 15 mins walk away from Parliament:

    • Have you noticed how wikipedia’s history of the rich and famous does not include their fees or salaries, I for one would love to know what the BBC pay Claudia Winkleman as co-presenter for Strictly, not to mention Bruce Forsyth ,isn’t one presenter enough on top of 4 judges x number of dancers and celebs and the costumes. The BBC certainly know how to spend money.

  61. MIke and Ed I think those that have had benefit reductions know about them and anyone who isn’t affected by them is not interested, we live in a selfish world where the do gooders are doing more harm than good.

    Should I repeat those sentiments again as you two have repeated one another’ link..

    • overburdenddonkey

      g fawkes
      the whole health care system in the uk has plummeted, into a system that is based on, market led capitalist risk management gambling, a health casino, with winners and losers…how do we empower ourselves, before we need it’s services? before attending a wca we need a full medical diag, if a gp ticks box not fit for work we should get full support group benefits until at least that time…only when one has a full med diag should the wca process start, if at all…

      • All of this ticking of boxes by gp’s or is it the clerical staff that look up your notes and tick the boxes, gp’s are paid an astronomical amount for nothing. When I was young your own doctors of which there were two of mine at the time, took it in turns to do either the day or night shift and always turned out to see patients, who they knew by name.

        • PS I am not in favour of doctors time being taken up by the so called preventative stuff either when those that need medical attention cannot get an appointment.
          A fella down the road from us went for a checkup annually to the doctors but recently had a massive heart attack which was not detected so what’s the point?

  62. GEOFF REYNOLDS thanks for carol black Fairchild and gunyon stuff…Ansel alywood contributed to a doc on malingering and disability deception

  63. It’s about time some of the faceless bastards that work behind the scenes of the DWP, and broke ranks to show they have some sympathy for the people they are sending to their graves……..

    Nothing is so easy as pretending you don’t know what’s happening.

    Cowardice, while others are subjected to pure evil, is akin to witnessing a murder and failing to come forward with evidence to nail the perpetrator……….

    Most of the DWP staff are part of a union, Unions were structured to help others from the wrath of unpleasant employers by combining their unified strengths and speaking as one……………

    The word YELLOW comes to mind, cowering behind their desks as the letters of social hate spew forth into the arms of the most vulnerable……

    The question of MAN or MOUSE seems totally appropriate.


    or will you cower in fear of what might be said by a bullying boss?




    “Let your consciences be your guiding light”………………..





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    this is no coincidence………………………………………

    UNUM Provident developed a special list of “independent” medical examination physicians whom it believed would be willing to write reports denying the existence of disability. As part of this plan, Provident made agreements with outside vendors to provide referrals to IME physicians that they believed would be willing to write medical reports supporting the denial of benefits.

  66. another excuse, the person would of committed suicide regardless of the reform-more liberal junk!

    • Should have been your sister.

      Perhaps your opinion would be different and the grief could impact on your poor English skills…………….

  67. How these people can look themselves in the mirror is beyond me. Vile, evil tricks to manipulate unemployment figures at any cost and to hell with peoples lives. Sanction everyone is clearly their plan – just seen this video how low has this country stooped to when vermin like this are running the country?

    There are very few jobs they are too stupid to realise or plainly rotten.Draconian measures like this are not the answer. I genuinely believe these people in charge are evil.

    I urge all civil servants to do the right thing follow your conscience as you will look back on your life and regret selling your soul to the devil. Jobcentre staff are actually the ones with the power not these over-privileged, spoilt clowns who will soon be yesterdays news.

  68. Thought i would give you an update of my condition since the joint theft of my subsistence by EMMA BRODRICK, a lying HCP, working for ATOS, and CHARLOTTE TRUSLER of Blackpool DWP

    BRODRICK’S lies took away my Incapacity Benefit and TRUSLER’S, my Disability Living Allowance……………………

    Notwithstanding, the government keep telling claimants that £71.20 is the amount of money needed to live on, yet i do not even receive this and was declared disabled for life after an accident at work…………….

    My hands are riddled with rheumatoid arthritis and i have problems wiping my backside. I wear disposable pads that hide the fact i cannot hold my bladder sometimes when rising from a sitting position.
    I purchase the pads and any medication i need from my own pocket, finding it cheaper than expensive prescriptions.

    Since my DLA has been stopped i cannot afford these “luxuries”, and have been stuffing old newspapers down the front of my pants.
    As a result of this i have become sore and developed thrush around my genitals. The tops of my legs have become red raw and a sickly sweet smell is evident.
    Behind my foreskin is also red raw and i am discharging liquid. When i urinate i get a burning sensation in my penis.
    I am not sure if the infection on my genitals is connected to having an ability to wipe my bottom properly, it could be a cross contamination of some kind.

    i have developed bad gumboils in my mouth. I am not sure if it is to do with my genital infection or eating bad foods.
    There are many fantastic adverts on our tv sets showing the finest of christmas cuisine, but this is a luxury that me and my family will never be able to afford. Todays menu will be the same as yesterday, an onion ring sandwich, and out of date at that…………………….
    The physical abuse that is being directed at persons with a handicap is no joke. The biggest perpetrators are our own DWP. It seems to have developed into a national sport where the criteria seems to include, who can do the most evil to someone in dire circumstances.

    No doubt there will be people just waiting to ridicule what i write, these are the people who sit back and poke fun at those in the weakest position, those not able to fight back.

    Please feel free to ridicule, as it is you, and not i, who needs help badly. You have succumbed to the lowest base possible……………………….


  69. I shall not ridicule your misfortune.
    What I shall point out that a good proportion of DWP personnel seem to be women, ably demonstrated by you.
    I have found them to be particularly zealous and heartless in carrying out the orders of Reichsfuhrer Duncan Schmitt.
    The “gentle sex?”. Don’t make me laugh.

  70. This lady would be too gentle for the DWP;

    Irma Ida Ilse Grese (7 October 1923 – 13 December 1945) was employed at the Nazi concentration camps of Ravensbrück and Auschwitz, and was a warden of the women’s section of Bergen-Belsen.

    Grese was convicted for crimes against humanity at the Belsen Trial and sentenced to death. Executed at 22 years, 67 days of age, Grese was the youngest woman to die judicially under English law in the 20th century. She was nicknamed “the Beast of Belsen”, “The Beautiful Beast”, “The Blonde Angel of Auschwitz” and “Die Hyäne von Auschwitz” (“The Hyena of Auschwitz”).

  71. Not to mention Ilse Koch, the Kommandant’s wife at Buchenwald, known as the “Bitch of Buchenwald”.
    Perhaps Squawker McVey’s sister.

  72. Maria Mandel was a Nazi official who worked inside Auschwitz-Birkenau extermination camp and Dachau concentration camp. She was the highest ranking a woman in a camp could receive. She only answered to the commandant. Her job was to control all female prisoners and all female assistants.

    She was directly responsible for some 500,000 women dying. Many witnesses remembered her standing at the gates of Auschwitz-Birkenau waiting for inmates to look at her. She would then pick those who looked at her for immediate extermination.

    In May, 1945, Maria fled into the mountains of southern Bavaria. Soon after she entered her former birthplace at Munzkirchen, Austria. United States armed forces personnel arrested Mandel on August 10, 1945 and interrogated her. They handed her over to Poland in November, 1946.

    In November, 1947, she stood trial in a Krakow courtroom and was sentenced to death. She was hanged on January 24, 1948
    – See more at:

    • Looks like all the descendants of these nazi butchers all work for the DWP!
      Thanks for all the interesting info and link. Human nature never changes it seems.

  73. ……how strange that in the passing of a few years, the DWP have gone from a position of extolling the virtues of ATOS Health Care Professionals, to a position that they are ashamed to have anything to do with them, whatsover………………….

    They were heralded from the rooftops by our con-demn government and afforded the luxury of near billion pound contracts………..

    You must ask yourselves, why so much taxpayers, hard pressed income was wasted on the “BIGGEST SET OF SHYSTERS INVITED ON OUR SHORES”.

    Congratulations to all of you who have stood in a unified manner to bring this injustice to a head……….

    The German government tried to distance itself from the the very people they had instructed to carry out inhumane acts, this is now being seen to be followed by THE INGLORIOUS DWP…………….

    They can try to erase their footprints in the sand but the heinous, evil actions against the most vulnerable will remain indelible.

    No amount of compensation can bring back a loved one who has succumbed to death, as a result of our crazed welfare policies,
    indeed, the Queen, our monarch, should stand trial for giving royal assent for these unsavoury actions upon her subjects.

    In doing so, she signed the death warrants for those least likely to have the provision to fight back, the weakest in our society.

    It’s no good waltzing around wearing ermine and pearls and unveiling plaques to yourself, while you shaft the very citizens you have been expected to protect.

    The criminal actions, and i repeat, criminal actions, are being laid at the feet of the HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSIONERS, who, i expect, should be pursuing the complaints vigorously, as the death toll is continuing to spiral, out of control…………….

    ATOS, therefore are now disgraced, but who dare pick up the mantle that would allow them to further persecute the disabled?

    One thing is for sure, the DWP is now in a state of denial, a denial that was thrust upon the existence of disability of our persons.

    The freedom of information galleries hold all the relevant information that the DWP has released since the inception of the
    ESA examinations.

    It is a damning indictment of their collusion with a renegade company who were allowed to take lives based upon deception hidden in welfare reform, murder by decree……….








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  75. The word QUANTUM, when used in relation to a LITIGATION CLAIM, usually relates to the amount of compensation that would be normally paid out in compensation to the litigant (claimant).

    The word is derived from the latin word, quanta, which roughly translates to,”how much?”

    I would expect that the DWP are employing the cream of the legal trade, to limit the amount of compensation that will eventually be paid to direct, and indirect claims resulting from intentionally flawed ATOS examination reports.

    These so called, experts, or damage limitation cronies will be working flat out to try and erase the links between the government and the renegade French company.

    It is rightly noted that this renegade company has now cast a dark shadow on the very people that utilised it in a policy of “DISABILITY DENIAL”, that was used by the the much discredited UNUM INSURANCE.

    Huge lawsuits that run into millions of dollars, bear witness to the evil, twisted policies that the DWP DECIDED TO UNLEASH ON OUR MOST VULNERABLE…………………..

    Heads will eventually roll, but the damage limitation will probably limit the boundaries of any real inquiry……..

    The tentacles of the media are indelibly stained by a collusion that withholds the truth from the populus…………………….

    People are not fools, the fools are the perpetrators of these evil acts, for thinking they would never be called to account……

  76. The strangest thing of all is, our government have taken no action, whatsoever, against ATOS.

    ……….and the reason is, they dare not…………………

    Because if the entire contents of the contract with our government, were ever released into the public domain, this government would be up Shit Creek, without a paddle………………………………….

    The evidence would be testimony to the war that was unleashed on the weakest and most vulnerable……………..
    and bring forth the scurrying of rats in an effort to distance themselves from the most evil acts unleashed on UK soil.


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