Fuck Social Mobility, Bring On The Class War

baron-sugarThe last thing anyone needs right now is another Baron Sugar of Clapton or Lord fucking Prescott.  Too often social mobility is merely the elevation of class traitors, those who happily use their new found power to fuck over the people they left behind.

It shows how fractured society has become that social mobility is now considered the best that working class people can hope for.  If only a few more kids from state schools went to Oxbridge, or a few more MPs once had a real job, then all would be well and the system would be fair they would have us believe.

But what about all the kids who wouldn’t get to fucking Oxbridge even in this fake classless utopia.  The millions left abandoned so a few lucky bastards get to shop in Prada rather than Primark.  It wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference to the rest of us.  You’d still have more chance of winning the lottery then being the next John Major.  It could be you, but it won’t be.  The game would remain as rigged as ever.

There’s more of us than them.  We shouldn’t pleading with them to let a few of us in, we should be kicking down the doors and taking back what’s ours by right.  The immediate closure of every public school would be a good start.

Fellow blogger Ian Bone, along with a hastily reformed Class War, will be standing candidates on this very policy in the next general election.


There are currently eight candidates who have agreed to stand on a Class War platform in London and one in Maidenhead.  Janice Dick will be standing against Iain Duncan Smith in his Chingford constituency.

If voting for Class War changes anything they’ll abolish it.  But vote for them anyway and keep an eyes on Ian Bone’s blog for Class War agitation in the run up to the 2015 elections.  It will be rowdy and the rich will tremble.

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112 responses to “Fuck Social Mobility, Bring On The Class War

  1. Shutting pubic schools may well do the trick. I suspect their real function is to turn a certain kind of child into an adult sociopath by depriving them of affection at a critical time in their development. Stop the upper classes from developing the same way they limit the ambitions of those less well off by making further education beyond their means.

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  4. What a total load of bull. The main function of private schools is to provide a better level of education. My parents, bless them, worked very hard to send me to a private school as my primary teacher apparently thought I was bright (don’t see it myself but there you go). They were and are working class, and were both working at Wickes building supplies on minimum wage at the time. They sacrificed a lot to send me there and having been in both systems at one point or another (2 years there were unable to afford it) I can say that the private education system whilst 50% toffs and 45% Services children, 5% us, IS BETTER (In terms of education). Class sizes that didn’t exceed 10-12 ,teachers that had complete control over the class at all times and I learned a lot. The same can certainly not be said for the majority of state funded schools and the children that DO want to learn suffer due to the other half demanding the majority of the teachers attention. They are therefore never stretched. So in that respect they are better. In terms of services children they provide a fixed school and friend groups, for those children of parents that are moved around the country / world on a regular basis. That said my “Status” in this school was far from high and I was bullied as I didn’t have the best things etc and so forth, but the same was also true in the standard school system. In this case since you haven’t experienced the private school system yourself, do you perhaps think that you are in fact unqualified to comment on it? The private education system is certainly not to blame for the problems in this country. The problem lies with the so say non-existent “UPPER classes” looking down on the working classes thinking that they know better, when in fact they know F$%K all about REAL life. I have to agree and have said myself many times Why are the members of parliament paid so well to do so little? The way I see it £50,000 should be the absolute maximum any politician should earn and they most certainly shouldn’t be able to claim for second homes. They should be ordinary people from ordinary backgrounds that actually WANT to make change instead of posturing about it. Why are we being ruled by people that haven’t done a real days work in there entire lives? What on earth do they know about what the people and the country needs? Anyway my point is this you are looking in the wrong place mate its the elitist parliamentary system that needs to be shut down not schools. They are just there to educate not to judge on “class”

  5. I will admit my social skills were somewhat lacking when I left though, but I put that down to the bullying not the school.

    • overburdenddonkey

      i’m curious, why when other educational establishments are freely available, did your parents send you to a private school, what is/was the advantage, if it was not to instil a sense of superiority in to the pupil?

      • Probably an attempt at Contacts and the Bragging rights. My son went to eton….. I dont have to experience that fire burns by shoving my hand into the flames. Private schools are there to create a sense of entitlement, to have it on the cv.. There shouldnt be private schools, they divide give people a sense of false superiority..

  6. The public school does provide good education as did the grammar and technical schools, but that is not the point it is the exclusivity of it. As Gove says every school should have a decent education system but it does not mean that everyone is able to be educated though, you can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink and some are better with practical subjects than academically.

  7. As the children of a serving Officer in the British Army my children had no choice but to go to a public school. Stationed in Germany children from the age of 11 either went to boarding school there or in the UK. Rather than send them to a school abroad we chose a very good school in England. It was close to family and friends so they had somewhere to go during exiats. They were amongst thousands of service children and NEVER knock them for their background. Have you any idea how as a mother I missed my kids? There was no stiff upper lips from them or me. It was the way it was. They are not Lords, aristocracy nor snobs. Just children whose father was proud to serve Queen and country.
    Pat x

    • Thing is, you forget to mention that the army only pays for officer’s children to go to posh schools. The children of a serving squaddie in the British Army have no choice but to go to an under-funded state school. This is the Great British class system in action. But you carry on feeling sorry for yourself.

      • Wrong, Soldiers and NCOs got exactly the same allowance as evertone else. My children were at school alongside all 3 of the services’ children and no one differentiated between any of them. I rpeat there was NO scholling for any children over 11 in germay so they either went to boarding school there or back in the UK.
        Unfortunately there will always be people who make sweping statements, usually through ignorance. in the same way – all disabled people cheat the sustem.
        Pat x

  8. “I’m telling you, Kim; Britain will become the warehouse of the third world. Trade Unions will be destroyed and manufacturing will go to where they can exploit and pollute more without sanction; and the working classes in this country will become totally irrelevant except as consumers. The only value the working classes will have will be in the local services they provide for themselves and each other, and our Fuhrers don’t give a toss about those things do they. They won’t need us anymore. They’ll get away with it, of course, by making empty promises of ‘climbing the ladder’ by hard work. Absolute bollocks. The only way to get a knighthood in this country is to fuck up or suck up. I’ve seen many a chinless wonder shoe-horned straight into management where I work, cock things up and get promoted out of the way because he was the Managing Directors son ” (my grandad, 1979).

    The white-haired, left-wing old sod was right. If he were alive today it would kill him to see it. Holding out social mobility as a booby-trapped carrot for ‘hard-working people who want to get on’ is the biggest con… and it’s insulting to portray the working class as merely something to be escaped from; as if it is a condition to be avoided. As if no pride or satisfaction can ever be had from it. As if we are lepers. If you don’t want to get out of the ‘working class’ you must lack ambition, be lazy, be stupid or criminal.

    My grandad, God rest his soul, was a boiler engineer. He loved his job. He was a strong trade unionist and was proud of what he did. He earned a decent crust and provided a good life for his wife and kids. He would never have wanted to be anything else. He always said there must be ‘hewers of wood and drawers of water’ in every society, but they must be valued, paid properly and respected. Promotion should be a reward based on merit not an accident of birth. Power should be taken from the over-privileged and lodged firmly in the hands of the people, not corporations, banks and corrupt politicians. He had a particular bee in his bonnet about private land – after fighting in WW2, he came to the conclusion that ‘land that is fought for collectively should be owned collectively’. Hospital cleaners save more lives everyday then any doctor but get paid a pittance by comparison. Soldiers are largely fighting in the Middle East over mineral rights for large corporations whose profits no soldier will ever see…and for the rest of us it’s fighting for crumbs under the table…

    The working classes are used, abused and insulted at every turn. I hope you’re right, Johnny, that the rich will tremble. It’s no more than they deserve.

    • Never Will Be Rich - DON'T WANT TO BECOME THAT SAD

      Britain will not become the warehouse of the third world – It has been part of the 3rd world since at least 2007 – but the con job of “BRITAIN IS GREAT” must continue! This to suit the Establishment (Not the Queen – I would not want her disadvantage born into – this disregarding her capital)

      • Agreed, but I forgive him for not being all-seeing when he said that to me in 1979.. He was right to a point – we were the warehouse of the third world for a while before we joined it.

        Just read a book that might interest you if you haven’t already read it – GOING SOUTH, by Larry Elliott and Dan Atkinson.

    • Never Will Be Rich - DON'T WANT TO BECOME THAT SAD

      This comment Kim is interesting >>> I’ve seen many a chinless wonder shoe-horned straight into management where I work, cock things up and get promoted out of the way because he was the Managing Directors son ” Because of similar behaviours I saw in employment I had in the past and my reaction to it, I have landed myself in a criminal court and have now become virtually “unemployable” but I agree with you, people do think they can lick, eat and suck (without over elaborating) their way to heaven here on earth, they are Lackys and I hate how these types are moulded in this way. It has been the case in rvery case of employment I ever had – It is de-humanising too.

      • …. in my last job but one (with my local council – a supposed Equal Opportunity Employer):

        ‘Kim, we have a new lad on board – show him the ropes, will you?’

        I teach the spotty youth everything about the job and 6 months later he’s promoted. He gets the plum job over 3 infinitely more qualified candidates, one of whom had been doing the job on secondment for the last few weeks until they could fill it permanently.. I only find out later by accident that he’s the manager’s nephew and they sneaked him in to the ‘temporary job’ I trained him for, bypassing normal recruitment procedures by using the manager’s friend’s employment agency. I discover this because said ‘friend’ also happens to play snooker with my Dad. It’s all kept very quiet. I complain loudly when he arses something up and end up with a disciplinary hearing for gross misconduct (I called him a gormless wanker).

        Anyway, I didn’t get fired. I think they shat themselves when I made it clear than i knew about their little game. You should have seen their faces. But I was the first through the door when redundancies were announced.

    • Everything you said Kim is so spot on.

    • My sentiments exactly! I cringe everytime I hear someone defend, for example, bankers salaries and bonuses. The usual defence is: We need the right calibre of person for the job so we have to pay enough to attract them and, my personal favourite, if one pays peanuts one gets monkeys. So we pay these people vast sums of money to basically gamble with money and make money from moving money around.


      At the other end of the spectrum we pay peanuts (min wage) to, for example, care workers and do not bother to check that we have the right people for the job, that is those who are caring, compassionate enjoy working with the elderly maybe, and treat those they are caring for with respect and give them dignity. Many people do care work because there is nothing else available for them, so they end up doing a job they are not “cut out” to do and are paid very little for what is often hard, thankless, tiring and upsetting work. These people are paid a pittance to care for vulnerable human beings.

      The powers that be must think it is ok to pay peanuts, and thus have “monkeys” looking after people, but we need skilled, highly paid people to look after money! What a world!

      EVERYBODY provides a service, we are all cogs in a large wheel, but whilst we see some of these cogs as more important than others there will never be fairness. And if everyone did go to university and obtain a first class degree, I would not like to be the one who has to tell them that the majority of them will STILL have to stack shelves, work on checkouts, in shops, in call centres, drive lorries, empty bins, clean, repair cars etc etc all on min wage, or just over. “Work hard and get on” Yeah! Right! For every person that does, there are thousands “who work hard” and do NOT “get on”!

  9. overburdenddonkey

    thatcher the destroyer, turned this once almost tolerable land of ours into a living nightmare, in scenes reminiscent of the gold rush. the great public asset sell off swindle, where all power has been handed over to the company, the shareholder, and stripped we the people, of our hard earned and hard won assets. how dare they claim ownership of our assets and sell them off. these sell offs have cost millions of jobs, to profit the company and shareholder, which now has no bar to using our money to oppress us…it was deemed rightly for these very reasons that we should all own certain key utilises, to balance right wing power. concept “for the common good”. the wages that would have been paid to workers, now paid to the company and shareholders and we still have to pay for their upkeep through elevated bills and taxes, families and communities destroyed, now we reap what they have sown..we do not live in a country anymore, but the company of uk plc, with us being mere redundant robots, that do not fit into the capitalist scheme of things, ex-employees without portfolio. so how can being socially mobile be linked to being fuller human beings, wot, coz they can make more gold, to keep for themselves? now we live life in and with the cascade up effect, as they desperately try to plug the trickle down leaks… to para phrase einstein a tad, learning is far from education, he detested learning by rote, but in learning through passionate interest in life… …

    • It was David Blunkett who saw off clause 4 and the redistribution of wealth, and no trickle down effect. Bloody new labour.

  10. Schools only sift through the few children who are good academically, i believe schools are too close minded in that they only promote achievments in certain areas while other children could be better suited to other issues either more or less complex and achieve better than anyone could expect, you can’t judge a monkey and a lion with the same tests, and as a recent study has shown, the brain is the best tool to solve complex sequences, not computers.

  11. Never Will Be Rich - DON'T WANT TO BECOME THAT SAD

    CLASS WAR ?? – Get real, it is time to dissolve the whole concept of family first, class war then will not be needed.

    • It is human nature to want to care for your family, but our family should be the whole of society. Treat people the way you yourself would like to be treated is the best motto, would these claim jumping family members want the same thing doing to them by some other family?
      Our local council SS staff are all family members of ex councillors and have been in the job for years, I think local government should be changed every year to make sure there is no nepotism or corruption.

  12. Look, parents “want better for their kids” and have been brainwashed into thinking that a middle English speaking, stuck up little turd with hyper-ambitious tendencies and a gift for conformity (and little else) means “better”.

    Our education system does not run on finding the best brains, it runs on finding those who jump through hoops and who conform. Education is not about instilling curiosity, or a genuine love of learning, it is about placing obstacles which “good” kids clear and “bad” kids don’t. “Learning” is tiny packets of “information”, to be learned, forgotten and then remembered in time for the exams. “No, don’t ask about the ancient Greeks, we’re doing the Romans now…”.

    I don’t call those who thrive in such a system intelligent. They’re the next generation of managers, politicians and administrators, who don’t ask questions, who don’t question the rights and wrongs. The “Company Line” is everything.

    Private schools are just a shortcut, a middle class obsession with snobbery and ostentation dressed up as parental concern. But if these kids take after their parents, they’re not going to be particularly bright, they’re going to be passive, obedient, conformist….

    It is wonderful that that the word “Class” exists again. But whilst people are, once again, beginning to realise that we’re NOT all “middle class now” as that prick Blair said, nevertheless, there’s legions of working class people who still think that they’re middle class “go-getters” just because they employ a few lads or lasses, have a road legal 4×4 and a SKY dish and enough debt for a 3rd world country.

    How hard do they have to be hit before they realise who is doing the hitting?

    Kim: your Grandad was right. I cursed and ranted all the way through the 80’s and I’ve been doing so ever since. I told people about the housing lunacy (which they’re trying to make happen again) and the “energy” rip offs.

    But, as the man said, “we are many and they are few”.

    • Never Will Be Rich - DON'T WANT TO BECOME THAT SAD

      mmmmmmmmm’ yes and the concept of private ownership of property (especially Land) is in itself an Obscenity

    • Noam Chomsky said something similar (need to find the quote) that education is a ‘filtering’ system and the ones that do best are the ones that conform. I think this was an observation on his university class.

      • “The whole educational and professional training system is a very elaborate filter, which just weeds out people who are too independent, and who think for themselves, and who don’t know how to be submissive, and so on — because they’re dysfunctional to the institutions.”

        • Research done in the ’70’s (by a friend of mine, so not sure it was actually peer-reviewed and published) showed that introverts & submissives tended to go to university, and extroverts & free-thinkers went to the polytechnics. Most were of course middle class, but a few of us working class types managed to get an education. Had a major argument with one tutor who had the attitude Kim speaks of – that being working class was something that we all want to escape. I told him about cultural differences, about pride in our institutions, unions, Worker Education Institutes, that 18 weeks x 3 years degree course was NOTHING about class. I asked what education his own mother & grandmother had – none was the answer for the middle class tutor; my family – well I’m the third generation of graduate -and still working class, thank you. My gran played in the silent movies to fund music lessons and through a music degree. My mother was mature student and became a teacher. I have a PhD. But when dealing with people in the world of commerce, I wouldn’t even get a rejection letter from most of the big companies because I didn’t go to the “right” schools and university.

          The middle class and those who have privilege and wealth from birth certainly do not want social mobility – after all, the more people like me & you know the sooner they will be found out – and the class war starts

          Let the games begin.

          • “And in fact, most of the people who make it through the education system and get into the elite universities are able to do it because they’ve been willing to obey a lot of stupid orders for years and years–that’s the way I did it, for example. Like, you’re told by some teacher, “do this,” which you know makes no sense whatsoever, but you do it, and if you do it you get thinnest rung, and then you obey the next order, and finally you work your way through and they give you your letters: an awful lot of education is like that, form the very beginning. Some people go along with it because they figure, “Okay, I’ll do any stupid thing that asshole says because I want to get ahead”; others do it because they’ve just internalized the values–but after a while, those two things tend to get sort of blurred. But you do it or else you’re put: you ask too many questions and you’re going to get in trouble.”

            • er, I actually had a wonderful time doing all my degrees, and nothing could be further from the truth than your “willing to obey a lot of stupid orders”.

              Where di you form your experiences of tertiary education?

          • Noam Chomsky – “On Schools” (from Understanding Power, 2002)

            [I] wouldn’t say that no meaningful work takes place in schools, or that they only exist to provide man power for the corporate system or something like that–these are very complex systems, after all. But the basic institutional role and function of the schools, and why they’re supported, is to provide an ideological service: there’s a real selection for obedience and conformity. And I think that process starts in kindergarten, actually.
            Let me just tell you a personal story. My oldest, closest friend is a guy who came to the United States from Latvia when he was fifteen, fleeing from Hitler. He escaped to New York with his parents and went to George Washington High School, which in those days at least was the school for bright Jewish kids in New York City. And he once told me that the first thing that struck him about American schools was the fact that if he got a “C” in a course, nobody cared, but if he went to school three minutes late he was sent to the principal’s office–and that generalized. He realized that what it meant is, what’s valued here is the ability to work on an assembly line, even if it’s an intellectual assembly line. The important thing is to be able to obey orders, and to do what you’re told, and to be where you’re supposed to be. The values are, you’re going to be a factory worker somewhere–maybe they call it a university–but you’re going to be following somebody else’s orders, and just doing your work in some prescribed way. And what matters is discipline, not figuring things out for yourself, or understanding things that interest you–those are kind of marginal: just make sure you meet the requirements of a factory.
            Well, that’s pretty much what the schools are like, I think: they reward discipline and obedience, and they punish independence of mind. If you happen to be a little innovative, or maybe you forgot to come to school one day because you were reading a book or something, that’s a tragedy, that’s a crime–because you’re not supposed to think, you’re supposed to obey, and just proceed through the material in whatever way they require.

            And in fact, most of the people who make it through the education system and get into the elite universities are able to do it because they’ve been willing to obey a lot of stupid orders for years and years–that’s the way I did it, for example. Like, you’re told by some teacher, “do this,” which you know makes no sense whatsoever, but you do it, and if you do it you get thinnest rung, and then you obey the next order, and finally you work your way through and they give you your letters: an awful lot of education is like that, form the very beginning. Some people go along with it because they figure, “Okay, I’ll do any stupid thing that asshole says because I want to get ahead”; others do it because they’ve just internalized the values–but after a while, those two things tend to get sort of blurred. But you do it or else you’re put: you ask too many questions and you’re going to get in trouble.

            Now, there are also people who don’t go along–and they’re called “behavior problems,” or unmotivated,” or things like that. Well, you don’t want to be too glib about it–there are children with behavior problems but a lot of them are just independent-minded, or don’t like to conform, or just want to get their own way. And they get into trouble right form the very beginning, and are typically weeded out. I mean, I’ve taught young kids, too, and the fact is there are always some who just don’t take your word for it. And the very unfortunate tendency is to try to beat them down, because they’re a pain in the neck. But what they ought to be is encouraged. Yeah: why take my word for it? Who the heck am I? Figure it out for yourself. That’s what real education would be about, in fact.
            Actually, I happen to have been very lucky myself and gone to an experimental–progressive Deweyite school, from about the time I was age one and a half to twelve. And there it was done routinely: children were encouraged to challenge everything, and you sort of worked on your own, you were supposed to think things through for yourself–it was a real experience. And it was quite a striking change when it ended and I had to go to the city school for academically–oriented kids in Philadelphia–and it was the dumbest, most ridiculous place I’ve ever been, it was like falling into a black hole or something. For one thing, it was extremely competitive–because that’s one of the best ways of controlling people. So everybody was ranked, and you always knew exactly where you were: are you third in class, or maybe did you move down to fourth? All of this stuff is put into people’s heads in various ways in the schools–that you’ve got to beat down the person next to you, and just look out for yourself. And there are all sorts of other things like that too.
            But the point is, there’s nothing necessary about them in education. I know because I went through an alternative to it–so it can certainly be done. But given the external power structure of the society in which they function now, the institutional role of the schools for the most part is just to train people for obedience and conformity, and to make them controllable and indoctrinated–and as long as the schools fulfill that role, they’ll be supported.

            * John Dewey (1859-1952) was an American philosopher and educational reformer.

            • Sorry, I don’t understand why you have posted this extract about American school, from quite a time ago. It does nod in the wrong direction about what it takes to get into the “right” university, maybe that’s true for America, but not here.

            • Thanks Noam C ~ i have only read one of your books & unfortunately it wasn’t the one quoted from here. Thanks again.

    • We Don't Need No Edukashun

      And the rub is that we have to pay through our taxes (one third of council tax is spent on ‘education’) for compulsory ‘education’ and if you don’t comply you will have the social services knocking your door down. Schools are a crock of shite!! They are part of the problem not part of the solution. Shut the fucking places down NOW!!

      • Better still all the public schools are registered as Charities, so don’t pay tax, but in fact gets lots of refunds. They are the rich-list gift that just keeps giving, Recall the National Lottery – “good causes” paid for the massive Olympic size boating lake for Eton? That was just the tip of the iceberg.

  13. Landless Peasant

    “social mobility is now considered the best that working class people can hope for.”

    Well it’s not something that I’ve ever hoped for, just for enough to live on generally and to not be persecuted for it. Fuck social mobility.

    • something survived...

      The executioner helps the tortured prisoner up the ladder onto the scaffold. Cheer up, he says, you’re now upwardly mobile.

  14. Rosemarie Harris

    As parents we want the best for our children but this dosen’t mean public or grammer schools. We need to look at our self’s as parents and say WE want something better for our children and start doing something about it. We need to expand our childen’s knowledge and look into other area’s of life but it’s down to us to make them went more. How many parents on here will be standing for school Governer,elected onto a commitee , take up rowing ( I use this as a rowing club is 10 mins away from where i live) etc. Lets lead by example …Nobody is going to tell me that because i am working class and poor that my children are also going to be!
    All education starts when they are born lets start to make a difference

  15. something survived...

    Actually lots of types of schools exist so would you want to close down all the following that are not regular state schools?
    Special schools, including residential ones, for disabled or learning disabled kids
    Private day/boarding schools/units for excluded pupils; children with criminal records or behavioural problems, social problems; children ‘hard to place’ in other schools. Also ones that run drug/alcohol rehabilitation and treat addictive behaviour disorders, and teach parenting to children who are parents already. Some schools exist for ex-homeless, ex sexworker, ex refugee, ex prisoner, children and young people. Others are aimed at those in or leaving care (fostering or care homes). Some traveller families send children to fee paying schools if they can afford it because the child either has a behavioural issue to deal with or their catchment area has no place in a state school available.
    Specialist/expert education centres, often regional and usually residential, aimed at specific care of young people with one particular disability. For example Down’s syndrome, blindness, deafness, ADHD, OCD, autism and Asperger’s, etc. Most of these give more time and attention to the kids as they have smaller class sizes and staff know about that disability so have better understanding of how to teach and train these young people.
    Green, alternative, hippy, leftwing type schools including ones without a uniform, ones where the kids or the student council write or co-write the rules and/or curriculum, and ones with teachers addressed by their first name. Peace schools (antimilitarist, antihierarchical, anticapitalist, pro-environment, anti-competitive, pro-cooperation, pro-individual, pro-social, anti-authoritarian). Steiner Schools.
    Education Otherwise centres for centre-based learning (the rest of the time, they support people who homeschool their kids).
    Schools/units for kids with a mental health problem.
    Units for young underage mothers (single or partnered) to learn while their kids are with them, sometimes also their partner too – while their kids play and learn at the same time/in the same room.
    Schools with a very alternative curriculum such as nature-based learning, environmental projects, learning through play, creative-themed (arts) schools, science-themed schools.
    Religious schools including Jewish schools and Muslim schools, in particular Muslim girls’ schools. (Some girls would not get any education if they weren’t allowed to go to these schools)
    Independent schools.
    Grant-maintained schools, usually.
    A lot of the new academy schools, free schools, community schools (including ones people set up themselves in their own community, either by themselves or as part of Cameron’s ‘Big Society’ campaign).
    The academy schools include corporate schools, business schools, arts or sciences academies, religious schools, schools with a ‘moral’ agenda or particular ‘ethos’, technical and vocational schools.
    Training academies and schools that don’t fall into a normal pattern, but often have to start at an early age. For example ballet school or dance school starts very young, and naval/seafaring schools can start at 14 or 15 or so. Most drama schools are also in this category and accept children of varied ages.
    Specialist schools for gifted and talented children, either in generalist subjects or in specialist subjects. Specialist language themed schools.
    ‘European schools’ (some legally in the same category as academy schools) basing their curriculum on the Baccalaureate (state schools have the option to include it as part of their options alongside A Levels and GCSE’s.
    Schools for recent immigrants or targeted at particular ethnic minority communities. Many have higher rates of success (academic achievement) than mainstream schools.
    Private schools as an option for children of diplomats, foreign visitors/residents, military personnel, other people whose work moves them around a lot preventing settling down (thus failing to qualify for residency in state school waiting lists).
    Schools (often boarding) used for children who move houses midweek between separated/divorced parents, where one parent can’t easily travel, or can no longer accommodate due to downsizing. Children who have no carer because their (often single) parent is working several jobs, is sick or disabled or in hospital, is in a mental health unit, is in prison, is serving abroad in the military or offshore, etc.
    ‘International schools’, often business-based now, aimed at Chinese, Japanese etc pupils in the UK (often open to UK citizens too), based in the UK and teaching high-level academic and business courses.
    Schools for (often specific disability) older teenagers and young people with disabilities, aimed at training them in skills for employment and independence. Some schools/centres provide this on a residential basis but the person or their carer is asked to contribute financially.
    Units run alongside free state school provision, for children with a learning difficulty or other problems to receive extra tuition after school (private basis) to ‘catch up’ and/or be trained for exams (as well as life skills and behaviour-addressing therapies.).
    Religious (almost always Christian) schools that are in other respects the same as state schools, but are not state schools because they do not accept the national curriculum and/or object to aspects of modern society.
    Military preparation colleges, cadet schools, boot camps, military academies. The preparation colleges and academies take children from age 14.
    Schools that are residential and therefore unavoidably fee-paying, because they are for children from remote outlying islands. These schools tend to be small/friendly and generalist.
    Any current or future UK equivalent school or project (based on several USA schools, that have to be fee-paying because the federal government refuses to fund ‘immorality’, led by the Harvey Milk School) for LGBTQI and questioning children/students, or the straight kids of LGBTQI/questioning, or straight pro-gay, parents. (It doesn’t matter if the child thought they were gay but later realises they’re straight, or vice versa) Kids get bullied out of schools and in some cases get bullied to the point they commit suicide, either because they are gay or because people think they are gay. Plenty of straight parents now send their straight kids to these schools, as it is a more tolerant environment for
    Schools that are integrationist schools where disabled kids and disabled staff are at least 50% and everything has equal participation.
    Independent schools which are set up as ‘experiments’ to bring together people of different backgrounds. For example several schools in NI integrate Protestants and Catholics; one in London is for Jews and Muslims, and another is for Christians and Jews. A private school in England hosts Israeli and Palestinian young people, and has links to a number of schemes to teach these two groups to play classical music together. Other schemes have used members of different black street gangs, normally rivals or deadly enemies, and taken them on (fee paying though grants etc are possible) outdoor expeditions and training, adventure sports and camping, woodcraft, survival skills and
    Schools that were state schools till they refused to run SATs or comply with the national curriculum.
    Schools that lost their state funding because they wanted to teach languages and other academic subjects.
    Schools that used to be state schools till they failed an inspection or were labelled failing or failed schools. Some were due for closure. As a result people kept some that didn’t close, open – as free schools (often actually fee paying), community schools (ditto – roofs don’t fix themselves and five year olds make lousy roofers), or if they had to they became Academy schools or Institutes.
    Schools that relocated because the old building was closed/destroyed, but had to reopen outside the state system, and/or which opened residential places for children living too far from the new location to relocate or commute to.
    Sports academies, and sport-specific training for young people, such as football schools. One type is an academy based school that teaches via football, and often works with excluded or ‘problem’ or special needs kids. The other type is a training system for the top young talented footballers, some of whom will become professional footballers.
    Schemes set up (often with lottery, EU, or ESF funding) to train young people in vanishing or threatened traditional crafts and industries.
    Schools that run sandwich years and vocational placements and apprenticeships.
    Schools that offer language classes in minority community languages, or regional languages (Cornish for example), that don’t or can’t get state funding. [NB some state schools in Cornwall offer Cornish as a free subject but it depends on the school and location.]
    Some schools in Wales that would otherwise be state schools, but opted to be selfgoverning/independent schools that teach entirely through the medium of Welsh. [English is a subject but is taught in Welsh. Presumably a few schools in Scotland have a similar structure with regards to Gaelic?]
    Vocational schools (furniture making for example) that are often aimed at disabled people (such as people with Down’s Syndrome), that combine practical vocational training and apprenticeship with life skills, English, maths and a few other basic subjects (cookery or textiles).
    Schools that were perfectly good state schools and in no way ‘failing’, which suddenly had their funding cut, that had to (rather than close) change their structure at once.
    Former 6th forms that were turned into 6th form colleges, then made separate colleges (often switching from academic to vocational/ technical) under the ‘must go to education 16-18′ rule. They (government) then stopped paying the EMA to 16-18 year olds (but also stopped the young people getting benefits and now housing benefit, while expecting them to be in education and to live rent-free at their parents’ homes, and giving them nothing to live on themselves), ordered all young people to live with their parents (then started evicting them and their parents for having the wrong number of bedrooms), cut student funding, increased rents, cut housing benefit to adults, cut child benefits, labelled people as NEETS, and then went on to slash funding to colleges. The colleges started laying off staff, cutting out subjects, closing facilities, turning students away. Some of the colleges closed. Some continued but could only do so as private colleges. [Perfectly illustrating why David ‘Bullingdon’ Cameron is an imbecile and a moron.]

    That’s a lot of closed schools! A lot of kids and young people left looking for a new school, and a lot of kids who would no longer be able to get an education at all.

    Are there schools we SHOULD close? Well we could instead think about closing Eton. Instead of just closing it, we could turn it into a non fee paying school and people from inner cities could go there, or disabled kids, or it could become an eco-school with an ‘outdoor gym’ and veggie catering college – or anything else that isn’t Eton!

    There are some benefit scroungers wasting taxpayers’ money. They committed acts of drunken disorder, antisocial behaviour, and criminal damage. One is called David Cameron and one is called Boris Johnson.

    -SORBUS (Slytherin Oldboys for the Rehabilitation of Beautiful Unique Snakes)

  16. I have a strange feeling someone has just taken the piss out of me!

  17. I have mixed reactions to the question of private education. Some background: A service child, so throughout primary education averaged a new school each year (in different parts of the country). As a consequence (I think) I failed 11+ (this was 50 years ago). Then sent to a boarding school – not a public school as such but a state funded school for the sons of seamen (yes really!). There followed an unbelievably harsh 5 years . I emerged with sufficient O levels to enable me to escape and complete my education at a local grammar school.
    I would not have been given the chance to take O levels in the state system – I would just have been secondary modern fodder. So I am grateful for that, The boarding school was harsh (don’t get me started – I could make your hair curl).
    So I am grateful for the second chance offered by private education but deeply resentful and critical of the same private education,especially the privilege and advantage it has historically conveyed.
    In conclusion I believe that the State should spare no effort or expense in making a first class education available to all. Once this is in place then if people choose to opt out and go private then so be it (more fool them). In no circumstances should such private education be subsidised by the state. Charitable status should not be allowed and there should be no tax breaks. Private education is just a business like any other and doesn’t deserve any special treatment.

  18. overburdenddonkey

    uk trade v human rights….imo this link does feed into the topic, of out of touch swivelled eyed loons, trying to claim that only capitalism offers human rights, and has certainly triggered some seething reactions in the comment thread, towards the dire state of social justice and human rights in the uk..trade or no trade we have had to fight every inch for our rights, and and struggle to keep what we have left, …

  19. The one size fits all national curriculum does not always fit all and as I said before people should go into vocational training for jobs that they feel they would be better suited to, provided they have at least had a basic education in reading, writing and arithmetic.

    Pushing those who are not academically minded only ends up with them being resentful or playing truant or disrupting the class, making them look anti-social when they may well be talented in other directions and should be encouraged to do this.

    Whatever direction students go all should be respected and appreciated for their chosen professions by providing jobs at the end of it all, preferably with equal living wages for everyone not just for those with qualifications.

    • The important thing is that decent, secure and fairly paid jobs should await kids who are not academic. At the moment, no other society (apart from the USA, that is) does more to raise kids’ hopes and then does more to prevent them achieving what they want. Unless their parents play the ludicrous snob game of chasing catchment areas. School league tables have an awful lot to answer for and I’ve been at more than a few Ofsted inspections.

      • “Above the youth’s inspired and flashing eyes I see the motley mocking fool’s-cap rise!”

        — Jude the Obscure (Thomas Hardy – 1895)

      • “He looked back at himself along the
        vista of his past years, and his thought was akin to Heine’s:

        Above the youth’s inspired and flashing eyes I see the motley mocking fool’s-cap rise!”

        – Jude the Obscure (Thomas Hardy – 1895)

    • “Whatever direction students go all should be respected and appreciated for their chosen professions by providing jobs at the end of it all, preferably with equal living wages for everyone not just for those with qualifications.”

      That’s a great attitude Guy Fawkes…if you’re still stuck in the 20th century.

      But what if you’re actually living in the present where all skilled-trade manufacturing will eventually disappear. We’re just in the early days of 3D printing, NASA for example manufacture space vehicle parts using this method and cheap and cheerful versions are available for home use right now. Give it 10, 20 years this will be the way all things are manufactured and there will be no requirement for trades people because it will all be done by computers and highly educated professionals.

      You’ve got to move with the times I’m afraid, all jobs will require very well educated people. There will be no place for poorly educated, but talented in other ways, people.

      • So what do you suggest should happen to the semi-skilled or uneducated when moving with the times – destitution?

        • Ah, well there’s the rub..what indeed?

          There’s no escaping it though, the uneducated/undereducated will have a very rough time of it in the future. Hopefully something like Universal Basic Income will gain acceptance before the shit really does hit the fan.

          We can but hope.

          • I think you theory holds no water, society can be structured any way that suits the needs of the people, not the needs of technology or profit.

            • No should not be in the above before water.

            • scrap that error change.
              Sentence should read your theory does not hold water.

            • overburdenddonkey

              g fawkes
              yes, but as yet there is no mechanism for change, only the same old same old..assets have to be redistributed, in a way that provides the vital physiological, therefore emotional needs of all human beings, not just the few..the need for vast labour pools to produce wealth is becoming extinct, yet we are still expected to focus all of our attributes to earn money, so that we prioritise being a consumer, within the capitalist system, therefore making the rich owners, richer…..we cannot go on destroying our habitat to produce more tokenistic, wealth for the few, ie producing money, as if, it is representative of goodness, it is not…the affect is to starve most of the world, as they sell goods cheaply to country’s like ours, that operate within the framework of industrial facilitation, that produce goods, services, mineral extraction, and claim ownership of the assets of production to supply products on a global scale…the vast majority of the global population own nothing, and rent their space on earth on a daily cycle, rather than feed themselves they trade their food/ and energy, for money, to make the few rich, that keeps them poor malnourished and dependant…
              capitalist/corporate power has to be dismantled, so that all human beings own their own space on earth..the consumer base that capitalist wealth depends on is shrinking, the capacity to produce wealth via money or other tokens is finite…more human beings are plunged into poverty than ever before, as capital and the ownership of assets/resources, is sucked up by the few…the true wealth of human beings is always created in producing goods to sustain the vitals of life, these skills are now being manipulated by others on an unprecedented scale..we are being sucked dry by our owners…ie those who control our vitals of life…we need a socialist revolution, where human rights are at the core…end sanctions and conditionality now, we need a decent basic CI…to remedy the loss of clause V, and assets..decent health care, land rights, eco-housing, and to produce far more locally grown food, reduce food miles…perma-culture..

      • 3D printers utilise lasers to congeal liquid resins so 3D printers can only yield plastic items. There will be a continuing demand for skilled metal bashers to bash metal. We need to get rid of the current Tory scum still favouring that evil Thatcher sow’s “financial Utopia”, to be replaced by a return to the mid-20th century’s mixed economy that held until that unspeakable old hag took over in 1979.

        • You need to do a bit more research. As I commented, NASA (as just one example) are using 3D printing to produce metal components.

  20. I expected riots and all sorts of shit this year and nothing transpired, not that i condone rioting but it seems that isn’t going to happen. I would say have a peaceful bringing down of the cunts by mass non payments of Council tax but no one would do it enmasse would they?.

    I guess I was hoping for other people to bring these cunts down by now but seriously I’m very surprised at the amount the Tory bastards are getting away with,

    I think the internet has become the tool to vent frustrations and at the end of the day as good a read as it is it means sweat Fanny Adams to these cunts running the show. It means a lot to me though sitting here alone in my house looking for inspiration and to know that I am indeed not alone but these frustrations are in the house now instead of in the streets.

    I think the last 12 months have been the worst 12 months politically ever in the Uk but no one gives a fuck apart from the good people in here.Miliband is a cunt and I wouldn’t trust him with the tv remote. We are all doomed.

    • Fuck the Telly Tax

      lol you are not even going to see non-payment of the TeeVee Licence en masse lol

    • Living On Borrowed Time

      We are doomed, well and truly fucked living on borrowed time. Don’t think many of us are going to make it to 2020!

    • If it takes riots to shake them up, fair enough, especially since the BBC and media claim riots happen even when they don’t. Protesters are labelled “anarchists” and peaceful protesters labelled “troublemakers”. Or it gets no coverage at all.

      In the past we didn’t strike politely, almost apologetically. It would have got us nowhere. It won’t now, either.

      Yes, it’s amazing how much they’ve got away with, and I agree entirely about that shit house, Miliband. If the workers should learn anything from this, it’s never trust a middle class twat in a suit. A suit is supposed to be a sign of respectability, which explains why the Gestapo, politicians, bankers, estate agents, gangsters, insurance men, salesmen and newsreaders all wear or wore them. Make you think.

  21. Iain Duncan Smith MP

    May I inform readers/contributors to this blog that impersonation of Government Ministers on social media websites is now a CAPITAL offence. This Legislation can and WILL be applied retrospectively.

    We are working for you

  22. Dammit… I dunno what Johnny Void thinks, but I’m fed up with all these William Hagues not being gay and Adolf Hitlers and D.Camerons, etc.
    Some of you might consider this a bit of a laugh. Faint amusement, etc. But some of us just don’t like it. If you have nothing of worthwhile to say, then just give us a break will you? We have enough on our plate as it is.

  23. I think the conservatives are too right wing these days!

  24. You fancy a bum Gordon?

  25. We need Old Labour back, not the weak form of Labour we have now, and sadly not the weak TUSC that is too small to get more then a handful of votes.

  26. Fuck the Telly Tax | November 16, 2013 at 12:04 am | Reply

    lol you are not even going to see non-payment of the TeeVee Licence en masse lol

    The only thing that needs to happen on masse is for those people who have the catchup function [you watch a program after its initially been broadcast]
    to inform the BB im going to fuk you over C that you only watch catch up tv and never watch programs as they are being broadcast ,the result being you get to tell the BB im going to fuk you over C that you do not require a tv licence and you will not have to buy one …….dont beleive me try it.


  27. “A tool against WCA’s And PIP’s ? – Dr’s and nurses could face 5yrs in prison”

    Quote: –

    ‘Downing Street said the proposals would apply to health workers throughout the UK because it would be a change to criminal law which is not affected by the devolution of health services’.


  28. The class war is waging, where is the working class defence?
    Posted on May 15, 2013 by Steve CK

    So, I’m reading Chavs: The demonization of the working class by the excellent Owen Jones at the minute. It’s more than enough to make you angry and fill you with despair at the same time. It’s all there in black and white. Many of us know and have known for some time that a class war is being waged, but to read about the full foundation of this war, how long its been going on for and the relentless, ideological onslaught of its generals makes you realise that it’s not looking good for the losing side; the working class.

    I must admit, before reading this book, and I still have about another 30% of it to go, even I found it hard to separate logical thought and reaction from my own prejudices built up over the years against the archetypal ‘chav’. I’m grateful to Owen for writing this book and showing how the carefully constructed administrations of the right wing political class and the nearly all right wing media have led so many of us down the path of disdain for the ‘great unwashed’ working class. The bigger of the several problems here is that even many of those who are working class let themselves get dragged into the rhetoric. So many closed off minds readily accept the hysterical news headlines about various issues to do with welfare and immigration that the planned infighting needed by the ruling elites to keep us busy, is working and working well.

    So many of the full variety of working class people are busy fighting each other over planted ideas that are false that even those that give their time and energy to a focused fight back can barely make a dent. A well strategised and focused fight back is needed, make no mistake. Labour is no longer the party of the left that was originally created to look after the working man’s/woman’s interests in parliament. Potential politicians are so enamoured by a well paid, detached career path that very few of them have any real gumption left in serving their communities first and foremost. There’s a huge amount of greed and self-preservation at the heart of British politics. Good MP’s are massively outnumbered by careerist, ideological bureaucrats who rule the roost. That was always very much the case with the Tories over the past 60-100 years, it’s in their blood. But Labour, under Tony Blatcher Blair became New Labour and it was game over. Actually it was game over with the outgoing Labour administration that Thatcher took over from, that government was such a mess within itself that Thatcher, with her determined, poisonous ideology was bound to win. It’s just a travesty that Blair sold his party out from it’s founding principles and dragged it over to the right. Effectively becoming what I’ve often seen described as ‘Diet Tory’. And then when the expenses scandal hit, the proof of greed and ‘milking the system’ for all its worth was in the very rich pudding. Think about it, parliament’s main defence was “it was all in the rules, we did nothing wrong”. The true problem was that the rules were rigged in the first place for them to ‘milk away’. This was a great big flashing neon sign that told us; something is very wrong here.

    With the majority (not all, there are some good apples out there) of MP’s looking to maintain the neoliberal status quo and look after themselves, it’s time for a real left presence to present itself in politics and look after the interests of the regular person. The damaging rhetoric of the right wing has caused so much damage to the working class, to how we are viewed at large by the middle and upper classes and even worse internally how we fight amongst ourselves and carry out their dirty work for them.

    Take a look at a project carried out by the Joseph Rowntree Housing Trust, supported by intern Fern Brady who wrote about it in The Guardian; 150 families that would be directly affected by the cuts were interviewed and the results were somewhat indicative of how far the right wing media bashing of the working class and ‘undeserving poor’ has penetrated. This quote says it all;

    At JRHT I was given the unenviable task of informing people how welfare changes would personally affect them. Often people on the housing scheme were due to lose several benefits – losing their out-of-work employment and support allowance (ESA) as well as having to pay extra money for unusable box rooms as part of the bedroom tax, for example.

    Logically, I’d expect those on the sharp end of things to be pro-welfare. But if anything, many interviewees had internalised a Thatcherite every-man-for-himself mentality, wanting benefits for themselves but resenting anyone else getting a handout.

    And if that wasn’t bad enough, something else that came to light was the following;

    One of the sentences I regularly heard – and was no less startled by each time – was “We’re not on benefits.” On a daily basis I spoke to people who were in receipt of tax credits, child benefit, ESA, DLA, income support and housing benefit yet still told me matter-of-factly “we don’t claim benefits”. Over time I understood that what this really meant was that they were striving to define themselves as something other than the endless media presentations of “scroungers”.

    Such people have been attacked for so long from every angle that even those in need of a robust welfare system are trying to redefine themselves away from ‘claiming benefits’ as they can’t avoid the constant aggression from the right wing and its media arm painting them as ‘scroungers’.

    As it happens, the Black Triangle Campaign have published a piece today in response to a Guardian article aimed at Ed Miliband telling him that he needs to work to change voters minds on welfare. Black Triangle make the solid point that what’s left of Labour supporters have hardened their attitudes towards ‘social justice’ because lets face it, Labour have over the past 20 years as well.

    And as the excellent Mike Sivier on Vox Political points out in a posting today, it’s suggested that members of the Labour party who are still of good heart and conscience are leaving the party (as I did) and what remains will continue in the footsteps of Tony Blatcher, blaming the poor for their own situation; laziness and fecklessness are to blame for people needing welfare and on some level those who are ill and disabled are also their own architects of the poverty they struggle through on a day to day basis.

    Mike also picks up on something that I wanted to mention as well. It’s my heartfelt belief that the politics of the left needs to grow again. I’ve recently been looking to get involved with a new movement of socialist politics that is growing rapidly in popularity; Left Unity. However, Mike makes the very valid point;

    Recently we have witnessed a movement to form a new political movement, representing socialist views but untarnished by the memory of New Labour’s 13 years of Neoliberal mistakes. Several contenders have cropped up but none of them will carry any weight at the next general election – instead, all they are likely to do is sap enough votes from Labour to let the Conservatives back into office again. That would be a calamity for the country.

    And I don’t disagree. This happened on a smaller scale at the last general election. The Lib Dems gained a small amount of ground but on the back of disgruntled former Labour voters, and then with a huge swathe of Labour voters not bothering to vote at all, this allowed for the Conservatives to get enough to votes to form a majority coalition. Although we’ve seen quite clearly that they’ve controlled and manipulated the entire parliamentary agenda since seizing power in 2010, coalition is in this case nothing more than a technical term.

    I also agree with Mike’s next point;

    No, the best thing to do is to take Labour back for the people it was meant to serve. First step in that direction must be to consign Liam Byrne and his vile mess of a welfare policy to the back benches, and design a new plan, attacking the causes of unemployment and workplace sickness and disability, rather than their symptoms. This is simple logic.

    At the same time, I also don’t see this happening. The piece goes to to show how unfit the shadow cabinet are in representing the working class as none of them have a good understanding of that background and in fact none of them hail from such a background. They need to go and people more representative of the working class need to swell the ranks of the Labour party. That would be a major weapon in the class war. But as our political parties are not internally democratic and serve only to seek power and keep it, so focusing on short term issues to gain in the polls and gain votes at the appropriate time, I just don’t see Ed Miliband as the man to pull this off. Nothing short of a coup is needed within Labour to take the party from the middle class leadership and make it much more representative of the majority of people in the UK.

    So what else will people do in the meantime but turn to a movement that they feel will represent them properly. This is how I feel. I’ve lost all faith in Labour. The Blatcher poison still runs in its veins.

    We, the working class, need good representation and we need it now. A figurehead that leads the fight and helps all of us to see that we are not ‘shirkers’ or ‘undeserving’. The growing inequality and poverty in the UK is the result of destructive neoliberal policies that preach to look after the self first and foremost and accumulate as much wealth as possible. Open competition amongst all. The problems with poverty are economic, not created by people’s individual circumstances. Poor people are being kept poor by the government by and large, who are looking after themselves and their rich friends first.

    I read all the stories and the rhetoric about the working class. It sickens me. I won’t stand for it any longer. I’m working class, and proud of it. My sister and I were raised by an amazing mum who brought us up well. She instilled us with a solid sense of right and wrong, the ability to stand on our own two feet and the belief in family and looking after one another. Our mum has worked damn hard all her life, worked even harder when she bought her first house while me and my sister were still at school to put a nice roof over our heads and she worked just has hard to make sure we didn’t want for anything. Neither me or my sister can complain about our upbringing and nothing of the sick, twisted media representation of our life can be found in our upbringing. And that’s not to say I’m judgemental of anyone’s life that does contain any of those elements, life is complicated and difficult, none of us has the right to judge anyone else. We should seek to understand others first, not condemn them.

    I’ve worked all my life since leaving college. I’ve been unemployed twice in 18 years of work. For one week in 2011 and just now since being made redundant from the NHS at the end of March. This period of unemployment has been awful. It’s amazing how quickly you can start to lose a sense of purpose. The relentless job hunting on my part hasn’t done anything to bring it to an end, one of the several agencies I’m registered with has found me some temp work that starts next week and I have an interview for an NHS job coming up, although I applied for that way before being made redundant; its taken so long to progress anywhere. The point is, the situation was not my fault. The Conservatives and other right wing believers would find a way to make it my fault of course.

    My point is, I’ve paid my taxes, I’ve worked hard and made an impact at all my past workplaces. I always look to help my friends and family and look after others as much as myself. I believe, no I know, I am of good conscience and heart and therefore I reject all the bile spouted by the Conservatives, Blatcherites and their media arm.

    We need to reclaim our pride as a class. We need to stand together, not bicker and fight over who deserves to get what. We, the working class, make this country tick. It’s our income that gets wholly spent back into the economy to keep it going, it’s our wages that are taxed at the point of earning, and taxed again with all we spend, it’s our industry that has been taken away and replaced with lower paid, insecure jobs in the private sector, and with it our pride.

    As Owen Jones more than demonstrates in Chavs, we’ve been pushed and herded down this path into a nice big pen. Well its time to break down the fences and take our place back. I can’t see Labour being our champion’s anymore, maybe its time for something to take their place. The propaganda that tells us we should rise to the middle class and leave the working class behind needs stamping out.

    The Chavs book reminded me of the famous quote by the legendary John Mclean during the miners strikes;

    Rise with your class, not above it

    If we move together as a people, we can take back our pride of place in British society, instead of being it’s punching bag.
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    • A very long post……and I agree with everything you have just written.
      I may just go search this book out now, though I have heard points from it discussed on the wireless.(Thinking Aloud- I’m sure done a bit about it)

      One thing that has gotten to me for a bit now is this constant talk of ppl getting qualifications so they can get “good jobs” or of being able to “move up”.
      So…..where dos that leave all the Kitchen Porters and the cleaners of Fire Stations and police stations and hospitals, etc?
      These are absolutely essential jobs. Are these not “good jobs” also?
      But I’m guessing the folks doing these jobs are all supposed to be staying at home with the parents, according to the politicians, right? Get something better. Or else these jobs are all meant to be part time 2nd jobs or something. And the stupid folks who live away from mums and dads, doing these jobs don’t know they are supposed to be aiming to “move up”.
      Is that the idea of the politicians today? For it seems like it.
      Well….some of us are quite happy being kitchen porters and the like. We would be a tad happier in those jobs if the pay was better though !

      Regards the party that used to be “Labour”, it lost the last Westminster election because of the points you make. The poor, most of the poor, saw nothing in Labour to vote for. Nicholas Clegg and the likes of Jo Swinson, knew that fine well. They knew they got old Labour ppl’s votes, and yet….thought nothing of betraying everyone of those voters. That is ultimately the responsibility “Labour” MPs.

      • An example of NuLabour in education. A friends son (aged14) was in a terrible state, really upset crying. The cause was a teacher who asked him what he was going to study at Uni. He said he really wanted to be a plumber. She walked away from him in a huff, throwing the cutting remark over her shoulder “Why should I try with someone like you? You lack any ambition”.

        Here’s the answer to people who think the working class will be the sub-class, in ghettos on benefit dependency – only if we let them. House to be built, designs for products, plant to run factories, to build the 3D printer – exactly how 3D printing is going to install a central heating system? – deliver printer supplies, make bread, farm fields, hospitals to be built and staffed. teachers of our next generation. The people who are so myopic about what the real world is and runs on – they should be sent for a bit of good old Mao Tze dongs “re-education”. Bit like workfare for the bourgeoisie. Let them feel the fear that has been cast on us through the brutal and in some cases fatal “welfare reforms”. Class War?

        Let the games begin.

  29. My blood’s boiling today, fucking Camoron’s in Sri Lanka, shedding crocodile tears over civil war refugees who apparently think he’s a “god” . Don’t see any tears for those he’s left destitute in the UK,, hypocritical bastard. Maybe he’ll stay there, let him screw up Sri Lanka even more than it already is, they’re welcome to him !

    • It’s interesting that the response he got was that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones (exactly what we were all thinking). Officially, it’s “apparently” a veiled reference to bloody sunday but could as easily be a reference to the measures being inflicted on so many in the UK (current day) – the very many “alleged” human rights abuses – I’m not sure it is the “veiled reference” those reporting seem to think.

      Maybe other countries have noticed DC’s tendency to expect others to do as he says, not as he does & that the UN’s special rappaorteur said that the government here urgently need to put their own house(s) in order.

  30. Stop messing about for goodness sake

    Stop the messing about.
    There are seriously messy things happening to the living standards of 99% of us. Every source of info and considered opinion is needed, we can still have fun without all the junk.

  31. Can we see him in an orange boiler suit dancing to thriller with other inmates?

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  33. Long story short. SNAFU. It is not WHAT you know, it is Whom one knows that counts. Don’t you know.

  34. What has happened, is it just that I have more time on my hands to dwell on the negatives, or has the UK really hit rock bottom. The inevitable ‘benefits’ topic surfaced during a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday. We eventually got around to the moral issues of the WCA. “Ah yes but the countries nearly bankrupt” stated my friend. It’s as if we’ve stepped way back in time, especially with the ugly resurgence of classism. I am well aware that my friends politics lie far to the right of mine, he’s self employed and it seems to go with the territory. What concerns me is the lack of support for social sustainability displayed by the average indoctrinated Tory voter.

    The fact is that the likes of Cameron, Osborne, and Hague have got no idea what goes on at the grassroots of society in order to support the nation. Nor do they seem to care, as they strut about the World meddling in other countries affairs. Recently Russia dismissed Britain as “just a small island no one pays any attention to”; and we still ‘bang on’ about the Commonwealth. You know the pink bits of the globe, that I and many others were taught at school belonged Great Britain! Apparently not, we appear to have taken much of it by force. When I was well enough to work and travel the World, during my work I would often refer to myself as a European, it was easier that way.

    • Merlin: They know how it is at this end of society, no worries. They want it that way, a massive leap backwards before unions and an organised working class came along. They don’t know what it is like, but they know how it is.

      I’m self employed but am still an old fashioned socialist. But yes, most self employed are self righteous, “hard done to” tossers with a chip on their shoulder.




    ONLY TIME WILL TELL……………………………………………..












    WILL ENSURE, YOU BASTARDS, FALL…………………………………..




    EVERY SINGLE DAY………………………………………………

  36. Reblogged this on markcatlin3695's Blog and commented:
    Bring it on……..sooner the better!!

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