The TUC And Workfare: Sadly It’s Worse Than You Think

workfare_0Just days after the TUC teamed up with the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) and Tory Ministe Nick Boles, to sing the praises of unpaid work, a shocking document has emerged which goes even further in endorsing workfare.

As unearthed by @refuted, the TUC have issued guidleines to union reps on what they should do if their employer plans to take workfare placements.  Astonishingly the TUC even appear to want to help reps to:  approach their employer to provide young unemployed people in their area with a good quality work experience placement“.  They are not just refusing to oppose workfare, but are actively encouraging it in unionised workplaces.

There then follows a description of what the TUC have decided is good workfare but which barely even resembles the current schemes.  Their claim that “Work experience placements should not continue for more than a few weeks comes despite their previous endorsement of Traineeships which can involve up to five months unpaid work.   Workfare should also always lead to a job or an Apprenticeship say the TUC, yet not one of the current work experience programmes offers this.

The TUC claim workfare employers should provide fares, lunch and any other out of pocket expenses, yet it is the providers managing the schemes that are responsible for paying fares.  The companies running the latest workfare placements are even warned:  “You must not give (and ensure host organisations do not give) any incentive payments or rewards to the claimant for participation in CWP”.  So there goes lunch.

Laughably they even say people on workfare should be informed about “workplace employment rights” when those on unpaid government schemes do not have any fucking employment rights. Get sacked, and you will probably get sanctioned.

On the question of compulsory workfare – and all unpaid work comes with a heavy dose of Jobcentre coercion whether backed by sanctions or not – the TUC are vague.  All they are prepared to say is that the best workfare placements are ‘voluntary’ and that they don’t like the curent benefit sancioning regime.  And that’s it.  This is their craven response to forced unpaid labour under the threat of poverty, destitution or homelessness.  The same poverty that recently killed David Clapson.  They don’t like it.  It makes them feel bad.  But they are going to do fuck all about it and seem to think sanctions are worth it for all the wonderful training workfare offers.

It is unclear whether the TUC expect their conditions to be met before an employer begins using workfare.  What is certain is that they never will be, the rules of workfare are written into legislation.  There is no guidance on what a rep should do if their employer ignores these demand.  The answer seems to be nothing.

No-one expected the TUC to be much help in the struggle against welfare reforms, but for them to openly side with Iain Duncan Smith and the DWP is obscene.  Their intervention could not have come at a worse time as the government attempts a massive roll out of the biggest workfare programme yet.  It will be claimants resisting this attack on working rights, not tired old union bureacrats.  But if the TUC are not prepared to back those who actually face unpaid work then the best they could do is get out of the fucking way.

You can let the TUC know what you think @TUCnews.  Don’t expect them to listen though.

The guidance is available at: http://www.tuc.org.uk/workplace-issues/learning-and-training/work-experience-placements-guidance-union-reps

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183 responses to “The TUC And Workfare: Sadly It’s Worse Than You Think

  1. “A pint of wheat for a day’s wages”… fuck me…

    • From: G Ward

      11 August 2014

      Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

      Can you please tell me the following:

      1) When transferring from Incapacity to ESA how is that it is
      classed as change of circumstances and why are people getting
      letters from Housing Benefit stating their HB is stopping?

      2) Can you point to specific section of the welfare reform
      legislation that allows this? ie:section 3 sub section 2.1

      Yours faithfully,

      G Ward

  2. Scum bastards. First Labour changed to right wing now the unions. Has this been a mass infiltration for decades to bring this about?

  3. jeffrey davies

    maggie done more than put blair into labour

    • Can, somebody help me. Basically my parents have booked a holiday to jersey (I thought jersey was part of the uk) but it is’nt. And, I told my advisor about my holiday. She said I have to sign off jsa and when I get back home do a rapid reclaim. But, what exactly is a rapid reclaim?? how long will it take to get my claim back up and running ??
      cheers

      • I’ve had to do rapid reclaims before: once when I took a temporary short term job that was for one month, and once when I went abroad. Rapid reclaim only took a couple of weeks for JSA to be reinstated and my HB wasn’t stopped. Well that was 2 years ago, I don’t know if things have changed since then or not. Hope that helps.

        • Landless Peasant

          You’re better off not telling them unless it clashes with your signing day. OR just say you’re going away to look for work, not have a holiday. I got my claim stopped in 2003 for spending a week in Greece, the first holiday I’d had since 1986. But I went to the Glastonbury Festival in late 90’s and told them I was going to look for work, arranged to sign-on in Street, Somerset, and had a Giro waiting for me when I got home! Also once toured Europe in a transit van in early 90’s, said I was going away looking for work, gave them a bogus address in London where I said I was staying, and again had a Giro waiting when I got back!

      • Are we still allowed to take holiday leave for a couple of weeks a year without losing benefit. I have never done this but by fuck could i do with a wee pretend 2 weeks off someplace.

        • It was still apparently the case earlier this year – the Daily Express went off on one about it and the Taxpayers Alliance said : “Giving claimants paid holiday is absurd as their time should be devoted to gaining employment that could pay for a break.”

          Although apparently it’ll not be allowed under Universal Credit – a spokesman for the Department for Work and Pensions said: “In Universal Credit, jobseekers will no longer be able to stop looking for work while taking in a holiday.”

          Bunch of arseholes.

          But I believe you do have to remain in the UK – strictly Jersey probably doesn’t count, but it’d be a bit petty not to allow it. Unfortunately, petty is what they do best.

          But it might be worth asking about the 2 weeks allowed break. If you haven’t already told them it’s Jersey, tell them you’re going on a cut-price hiking and camping holiday around Britain or something ?

          Article here – http://unemployedtynewear.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/more-theres-an-unemployed-person-kick-him-from-the-daily-express/

      • JERSEY IS A BRITISH ISLAND BUT IS NOT PART OF THE UK> SOMETHING AKIN TO GIBRALTAR AND THE FALKLANDS ALSO THE ISLE OF MAN AND THE CHANNEL ISLANDS OF GUERNSEY – HERM AND SARK. THE RULES APPLY IF YOU ARE GOING OUT OF THE COMMON TRAVEL AREA> ENGLAND WALES AND FOR NOW SCOTLAND AND ULSTER BUT NOT THE REPUBLIC

      • I recently asked this question re: hols at my local JC+ who told me that as long as I continue to job search every day, apply for the requisite number of jobs and can attend all interviews, both job and DWP, I can indeed go on holiday. I am not on Universal Credit but standard JSA. All I wanted was a week’s respite at home from the seemingly constant hounding of the Job Centre and the ineptitude of the Work Programme.

        The rules also state that you have to inform the DWP every single time you stay overnight anywhere other than your own address (not holidays but any overnight stay).

        Welcome to the hamster wheel.

        • @Michele Witchy Eve – “The rules also state that you have to inform the DWP every single time you stay overnight anywhere other than your own address (not holidays but any overnight stay). ”

          I’d forgotton that. I do remember getting some paperwork about it once, but I binned it and thought “yeah, right…”

          The state wants to take no responsibility for your wellbeing, but at the same time wants to micro-manage your personal life.

      • No, wrong on all counts; any JSA seeker is entitled once a year to two weeks whereby they don’t need to claim therefore you can have a holiday. The only downside is you may get your money later than usual but you will get it. Ask at the Jobcentre for the correct form as what they are feeding you here is nonsense; as long as it’s only one two week period a year you are entitled to benefit.

        • So, when I come off holiday and do rapid reclaim. Will I deffo get my jsa back ?? (don’t want to go through the hassle of starting new claim. Cheers

        • Thanks for that Barbelith. However, not looking forward to telling my advisor/s that they are misinformed and to getting them to give me the appropriate form. Could be interesting to say the least but will give it go. I am wondering if they will use their usual BSE (blame someone else) and say that JC+ have no more responsibility and it’s up to my work programme provider to decide about hols.. Wish me luck.

  4. Surrey Stockbroker

    Good to see workfare-exploiters TSCO (Tesco) shares plunging like a packet of out-of-date value pasta :) Bond rating cut – now BBB – just one notch from junk. When it goes to junk their share price will turn to value mushy peas. At this rate Tesco could be on the way out. Another workfare-exploiter MRW (Morrison) is also plummeting like can of value baked beans.

    • High Frequency Trading Bot

      Expect a dividend cut soon… :)

    • Value Pasta & Value Mushy Peas

      Jesus Fuck don’t mention value pasta… been living off of them for the past 3 months… fucking jc and their fucking sanctions…. fuck mwa…. can hardly walk to the fucking jobcentre to sign on now I am so fucking weak… fuck you jc you fucking cunts!!

    • Millicent & Bernie

      There is a big boycott going on round here regarding Tesco’s support for Israel. Just to put some numbers on it, on a Saturday afternoon there are usually around 200 cars in the car park; this afternoon there was only two, yes two and they were both probably staff. We done our shopping at Aldi lol Incidentally, you can gauge a lot about how a supermarket (Tesco) are doing by observing the car-park. For instance, the Christmas before they announced the big fall in profits (and share price) we noticed that the car park was mostly empty, we chuckled that if we had shares in Tesco we would be getting out now lol

      • Another Fine Mess

        I haven’t spent 1p in there since we found out that they were using unpaid slaves, not that I have a lot to spend but every little helps.

  5. so why did i join the t&g…1 coz i had too, 2 to protect employee’s right’s, pay and conditions…if anyone come though the gates on any unpaid scheme, we would be standing outside the gates quicker than an eye can blink,…these schemes would not have been contemplated by the employer in the 1st place, because they would know they would not be tolerated….they are using the decks of a ship for fuel, in their race to the bottom, can they run any faster i wonder? i feel m/t hollow that the tuc advocate this sort of behaviour…ie does the tuc/union now expect a referral fee of haven’t they thought of that one yet!….

  6. It sounds as if the T.U.C. is just another mouthpiece for the Tory party,this work for nothing has Tory written all over it,no doubt the work place people can work all the hours they want,and with no pay at the end of the week.
    Would any members of the T.U.C. comment on if they would work for no pay,the Labour government should take the initiative and speak out against this,but nowadays the working class don’t have any political party representing them.

  7. you thought we were dident you.you sill plebs ha ha ha.

  8. has anyone had one of these new claiment commitment packs?.i have a interview with my advisor next week.she said i would be getting this instead of a jobseeker’s agreement.

  9. There is some fucking pay off going on somewhere. Unions do not do anything pr TUC unless there is some fucking pay off. Kept quiet during Tony Blairs time by subtle use of John Prescott links and persuasion, There is some friggin payoff,

    PS unions and TUC have always been selling out and undermining the workers and their unions rights and benefits.

    Sit side by side with employer when person gets sacked for whistleblowing or gets early redundancy and some pay off for raising women’s rights, disability abuse, sexism or racism.

    Always hand in hand, hand in pocket with powers that be.

    Some friggin pay off going on somewhere.

  10. Reblogged this on SMILING CARCASS'S TWO-PENNETH and commented:
    About time the ‘unions?’ got their arse in gear and took this unelected govt down- how can any union accept unpaid labour?

    A lifelong union member, no more- they do NOT represent ME!

  11. Who is interested in joining/starting a TRULY representative union- fuck the anti-union laws- fight them with the only weapon we have- withdrawal of labour!

    • Starting your own union would be a good step, but why not consider the IWW or the IWA/SolFed?

      Easier (a little) than starting your own union, and as good as, as all branches of the IWW are pretty much independent and decide their own actions, (within the framework and policies of the IWW) and are completely democratic – i.e. run by MEMBERS, not bureaucrats.

  12. Reblogged this on Jay's Journal and commented:
    Disgusting…

  13. Is it just me or is there no point in paying national insurance if benefits have to be worked for at 1/5th the minimum wage? Am i missing something?

  14. your ni are paid for if you receive benefits/jsa ect still fkn slave labor tho

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  16. Channel 4 News

    • Susanna Reid's knickers

      Thank fuck for Channel 4 News – you never see Naga Munchetty mentioning this kind of stuff.

    • the site is garbage, the same as it was before if not more so now because of general instability and lag.. still boggles the mind as to why they are letting a government site be ran from america and not our own soil, it’s hardly a complex site, so why wasn’t it designed by someone here?

    • Naga Munchetty's knickers

      It’s shocking that Monster are ripping off the hard-working UK taxpayer to the tune of £365,000 a MONTH to “provide” this turd of a “service”.

  17. fired4having_social_difficulites

    never mind the high levels of bougus jobs, UJM is littered with jobs that are over 2 months old. futher more i hardly see any jobs that allow you to apply via UJM and then have the applicaion listed under your activity. this is proof that UJM is flawed as no employeer will advertise direcrly with UJM. all UJM does is scour the internets various job sites such as reed/totaljobs etc and then copys the job details into UJM.

    Also the job descriptions text cannot be enlarged with the AAA buttons at the top of the page on UJM.

    its a mickymouse tax dodge website.

    • Another Fine Mess

      UJM is littered with jobs that are over 2 months old

      It’s how the idiots get to claim there’s 600,000 ‘vacancies sitting there’ that the unemployed won’t take. They could get the number even higher by leaving them on there longer, but it makes no difference to the number of actual vacancies availble which is a small fraction of that number.
      It’s the same with the £billions wasted on the Waste Programme and other schames, every time someone gets a job, someone else has to do without.

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  19. These are strange times. The CWP placement I have been given with Lamh Recycle in Motherwell is supposed to be a mental health charity. What kind of sick mind thinks being treated as dirt, used as slave labour, ordered about by low life is good for a persons mental health? This reminds me of “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”. The people running this operation seem clearly to be the ones in need of help.

    • Lamh have just opened a really posh “charity” shop in Hamilton. They won the lottery (literally) by getting a huge grant from the lottery people. Not content with that they have entered the forced labour with no wages market because of the big fat fees they get from the DWP for processing scapegoats. Their shop twitter contact is : @_LAMH_

    • Boycott Boycott Workfare

      To be honest all this Boycott Workfare bullshit is back-firing. Because jobseekers are STILL being sent on workfare. It is just that the “placements” are becoming more dire – tends to be mostly ‘recycling/waste/shit-shovelling’. And what the fuck is the point of adding your two-bit slave labour company to Boycott Workfare’s bullshit list. The only effect it has had is to stop any ‘reputable’ business from getting involved in these scheme so all we are left with is the utter dregs of cowboy ‘businesses’ giving jobseekers all sorts of dangerous and dirty jobs which are a virtual death sentence. Look at the guy who flipped his lid and ran amok after been sent to that ‘re-cycling plant’. Boycott Workfare et al may have started out with the best of intent but I reckon it has done more harm than good. It certainly hasn’t ended workfare – just given jobseeker’s more shittier ‘placements’. Time to boycott Boycott Workfare methinks.

      • It marginalizes the exploiters and society can then see the low life that is left running the schemes. If all the big names were free loading of the DWP then people could be conned by the nice shiny brochures etc. What needs to be done is direct action against the exploiters. They have no scruples and the only thing that will halt them is being forced to stop. We all have to get more involved in direct action. Social media is for communicating and organizing action and a substitute for it. See my post below about a Union for Unemployed. Food banks though I think fit well your argument. The good hearted people who give and run most of them do not realize they are helping to destroy the social security system. If there were no food banks people would have long since taken to the streets like they did during the poll tax demo’s under Thatcher.

        • “and a substitute for it” Should read “and not a substitute for it”

        • “If the claimant fails to engage, you must still issue them with the
          formal notification. Any record of engagement activity should be kept in case
          a doubt is raised if the claimant subsequently fails to start their work
          placement (in which case you would take action as per Para 6.8 re possible
          DMA action). You should note, however, that attending a session (e.g.
          induction or similar) that is not part of the four week work placement, is not
          mandatory. You should therefore not raise a doubt if the claimant fails to
          attend such an activity.”

          What happens if a jobseekers doesn’t turn up for the induction? Do these cunts just send out a placement regardless?

          • That why when my slave traders (Acorn Training) put in front of me the documents so sign because they found me a placement i told them i’m not going to sign it as i have volunteered to do the work at the placement you found me and if they don’t like it they have to give me a weeks notes so i can leave.
            And if they find me another placement i’ll volunteer for that one to

            • Workfare is fucking shite

              Don’t think it is ever a good thing to sign anything! Anyway, the jobcentre require WRITTEN evidence that you were there and attended so that these cunts can’t get their fucking fee – and that is ALL these greedy cunts are interested in – their fucking FEE!.

              The guidelines state:

              “Notification of Start
              4.3 You have up to 15 working days from the date of referral by the
              Jobcentre Plus personal adviser to start the claimant on a work placement.
              4.4 A claimant is defined as ‘starting’ once they attend their placement.
              You must ensure that the claimant has started on the placement and be able to provide written evidence of this should DWP request it as part of payment and validation action. As a minimum you must:
              • ensure the placement organisation has confirmed they are able to
              provide the placement for the required duration;
              • have written evidence that the claimant has attended the placement;
              • ensure the claimant has completed any necessary induction and health
              and safety requirements; and
              • ensure the claimant is aware of the standards of behaviour, their
              responsibilities and required attendance arrangements and emergency
              procedures.
              4.5 Only when you can confirm that the conditions at paragraph 4.4
              have been met may you register the start on PRaP.
              Consequence: Failure to input the details will mean you will not
              receive payments; and failure to provide written evidence will mean
              that payments may be recovered.

              • Workfare is fucking shite

                That is all it is really – there is no LEGAL REQUIREMENT to complete/sign any of these bastards paperwork. Basically, if you tell them to fuck off the DWP won’t pay the cunts their fat FEE!! Fuck ‘em!

              • Workfare is fucking shite

                “Start Fee
                8.2 You are paid once the claimant has started their MWA placement. This recognises the importance given to setting up and starting the claimant on a work placement quickly, and ensuring robust processes are in place for timely exchange of information between Jobcentre Plus and you thereafter.
                8.3 When you enter the MWA placement start date onto PRaP, you are
                declaring all activities at 4.4 have been completed and are available for
                evidencing should they be requested by DWP. Once the start date has been entered onto PRaP, this will trigger a payment to be made via Bankers’ Automated Clearing Services (BACS). DWP will validate payments periodically throughout the life of the contract.
                8.4 Only one start fee will be payable for each claimant per period of
                allotted time.
                8.5 Contract values for MWA are fixed.”

                This is all these greedy cunts are interested. So anything a jobseeker can do to prevent this happening the better.

              • “have written evidence that the claimant has attended the placement;” – what’s this? What written evidence? “I, Jobseeker confirm that I have attended MWA placement at Acme Nuclear Waste Disposal Corp.” Like fuck lol Fuck off!

                • fuck workfare

                  Yeah, as long as the jobseeker can prove that they attended but the poverty pimp can’t lol :)

      • The number of people sent on Mandatory Work Activity has fallen sharply, as has the number of people on Employment-based ‘training’ schemes as reported in the Labour Market Survey.

        • Fair point, Johnny, It may have fallen sharply but jobseekers are STILL being sent on to this MWA/CWP slave labour crock of shite!

    • Fuck Greeny Bastard

      Funny how a lot of these MWA/CWP schemes are run by greeny bastards.

      • Workfare Exploiters Are CUNTS!!

        How much hazardous waste and toxic chemicals do jobseekers need exposed to.

        • I already have a few weeks ago been exposed to hazardous waste chemicals – ammonia / bacteria ridden waste paint – by my CWP provider. Cheeky fuckers now state in a recently amended placement poster that correct and full PPE is supplied by the provider, not the placement host. Funny that, I never got the full PPE equipment not even from my placement host I no longer go to.

      • so-long you don’t sign the documents when they find you a placement you be fine just say to them you volunteered at the placement and watch there greedy faces drop because if you sign the documents then you are there bitch but if you volunteer then you have more freedom and remember you can withdraw volunteer status at any-time unlike MWA / CWP

        • Eh?! Just turn up at the placement and say you are a volunteer?! lol :) What if you don’t sign anything? Do these slave traders still get paid? How can you prevent these cunts getting their bounty?

          • when the slave traders first send you to a placement you can ask the placement that you would like to volunteer this better than mandatory as you have more freedom.

            “How can you prevent these cunts getting their bounty?”
            the slave traders need you to be on a placement for 26 weeks but as a volunteer you can quit at anytime you want and you don’t have to tell your slave traders anything and if their lazy this can take up-to month or soo for them to find out.

            So if you worked for less then a the 26 weeks the salve traders don’t get any bonus :)

          • Workfare is fucking shite

            Would the placement not just say it falls under MWA/CWP – you can’t volunteer. You have to attend MWA/CWP. How can MWA/CWP suddenly become a volunteer position with no requirement to attend MWA/CWP? Don’t get it!

            • i mostly find out that the placements they send you to know nothing about
              MWA/CWP and the placements that slave traders send you to have volunteers working for them anyways so why cant you become a volunteer?

              • Workfare is fucking shite

                That might work if it is a charity shop but what if it is some place like a radioactive nuclear waste site that doesn’t already take volunteers?

            • my mwa placement gave me 10 quid n told me to piss off ;)

      • And I was sent to a ‘green’ recycling placement too. I don’t think mucking around with toxic waste paint leeching off dangerous vapour and gas full of ammonia is considered good for the environment.

    • One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

      These “schemes” are designed to destroy a persons mental health though. That’s the whole intent.

  20. Landless Peasant

    The TUC are Class Traitors. We’re on our own now. Time for a Peasants Revolt. Anyone remember how to make those throwing arrows we made as kids?

    • LP, I think the time is long overdue for coordinated action against the exploiters. There is plenty of talk on social media but we have to get more involved in direct action. I suggested on the previous article/post setting up a Union of Unemployed for that purpose and even started a blog to get peoples feedback but as yet not a single person has chipped in with any suggestions. So what to do? Come what may I intend to leave this world knowing that I have fought the persecutors of the sick, disabled and unemployed and if that means I’m the only one in my area then so be it.

      • Another Fine Mess

        I was going to reply to your previous post, I think a UoU is needed – somehow.

      • Landless Peasant

        I’m planning some direct action myself, gonna spread cat shit around the Jobcentre for starters. And poster my local area.

        • Better to use cow muck than cat shit. There’s a plentiful supply of this from a cow’s bottom to spread up the walls of a JCP office.

          • Another Fine Mess

            How do you get the cow up the stairs though, or will it fit in the lift?

            • Best way, mix some really stinky s*it with water, funnel it into a 2 or 3 litre pop bottle and spray away, this will permeate the Jobcentre carpets, now there’s a stink that will last!

              • Or better still, buy a ton of mini stink ampules at the joke shop, wear a pair of pants with a hole in the pocket and just wander around casually dropping and crushing them underfoot all over the jobcentre, this will also permeate into the carpets and last a long time.

      • You don’t actually need to set up a union for the unemployed, as both the IWW and the IWA/SolFed actively encourage unemployed workers to join, and both accord equal status to all workers, whether in employment or not.

        Both are ‘revolutionary’ unions, though the IWA/SolFed is openly anarcho-syndicalist wheras the IWW is strongly non-political and non-sectarian and non-religious. Of the two, the IWW is cheaper, as monthly subs for those out of work are £1, in the IWA/SolFed it’s £3 a month.

        Far better to be part of ‘One Big Union’ (which as yet isn’t really that big) than flounder on the margins in a union that by definition is unlikely to have much in the way of resources, even if it has energy and ambition.

        https://www.iww.org.uk/

  21. Surely supplying free labour to private or public industry is inimical to the aims of every trades union? If you can use and abuse free labour, which has no rights, why employ more than you have to and actually pay them a wage?

  22. The biggest problem with sanctions is that we end up with our benefits suspends before we have a chance to give our side. So whatever happens we have to struggle on at best hardship payments and phone up companies saying we can’t pay bills etc. They want us to go through this kind of stress to encourage us to sign off or take any option however awful to get off benefits. They probably don’t care if we appeal and win our case, we can’t get back those weeks or maybe months of stress caused by a jobcentre advisor suspending benefits maybe just a few days from when you would be expecting the money to pay bills and buy food.
    I think johnny should do an article on the claimant commitment that is being rolled out to over 100 jobcentres a month. New claimants and work programme returners have to sign up to it to replace their jobseekers agreement. Many people say on hear that it doesn’t matter how you give your jobsearch to an advisor and say that you could give it verbally but in reality if you just told them across a desk what you had done with nothing to back it up they would suspend your benefits and ignore whatever legislation you throw at them. They don’t care how much a claimant suffers and they won’t get sacked for stressing out a claimant even if they win on appeal.

    • Jobcentre is shite

      Too right, Rob! Jobseekers benefits are stopped on a whim at the click of a mouse button. And then the jobseeker is is left with jack-shit to live on. And even if you do win your appeal the cunts just ignore the Tribunal decision.

    • Rob:
      On the subject of evidencing job search, my adviser asks me to read my job search out to her. I have, however, had to advise her previously that jobseekers are legally entitled to evidence their job search in a way that is suitable and convenient for them, not the Jobcentre. As long as your evidence holds water then you’ve nothing to worry about.

      I write down what I do on a daily basis. In my case it usually covers about 5 to 6 sides of A4. I have to say that my adviser doesn’t like this and she has made it clear that she would like me to evidence my job search via my UJ account, which she doesn’t have access to and never will. That’s why she makes me read it out loud to her. I think it’s a form of ritual humiliation, but there you are. She will never have access to my account and that’s that.

      • @jj joop

        When you say you supply written evidence of your jobsearch, does that include printouts of the emails you have sent to employers or just your own account of your activities.
        I’ve been unemployed for a while and gone through many courses for the unemployed via New Deal, Flexible New Deal and the Work Programme and the bullying from Jobcentre staff on the Post Work Programme Support and it’s hard to understand how statements without any proof such as emails to employers can carry any weight as evidence. Printouts of jobs from an internet site are not really proof of applying but I guess it would take someone at the Jobcentre who wanted to sanction a claimant having to make an effort to contact employers to check if that person had applied for those specific jobs.

        The only good thing about UJM is that if you find a job that allows you to apply by attaching your CV then at least the website shows that you applied for it regardless of the fact that the vast majority of jobs on UJM don’t exist. You could even click on the feedback button and tell the advisor that you asked for feedback even though we all know that no feedback will be forthcoming.

        • Rob:
          I’ve only ever supplied them with written accounts of my job search. I’ve never supplied them with emails of applications or any replies. I have offered to do this but they’ve always declined, funnily enough. I’ve also made it clear to them that the Universal Jobmatch toolkit makes it clear claimants don’t have to do this. So perhaps may be that’s why they’ve never asked me for more tangible evidence. I’m afraid I’m a bit of a barrack room lawyer on the quiet, and they know it.

          As for an adviser contacting an employer to check if you’ve applied for a job you said you’ve applied for, I think the Data Protection Act prevents them from doing that. Or at least it prevents an employer from sharing your personal data with a third party without your permission. I think the only time the Jobcentre can legally contact an employer is when they’ve told you to apply for a specific vacancy, i.e. what they call a notified vacancy. And even then, I think it has to be on the UJ website.

          Like yourself, I’ve been through the mill. FND, WP and more recently I did a mandatory Skills Conditionanlity course, which bizzarely, I did find rather helpful.

      • jj I think you could challenge that because you have chosen to submit the jobsearch evidence in written form, therefore the adviser should accept it in the form offered, not add extra conditions, such as reading it out aloud.

        I agree, it’s ritual humiliation. A letter to the JC+ manager might be in order reminding them of the reg’s on evidence of jobsearch.

        • Lucy:
          I have challeged my adviser about this but she claims to partially dyslexic of all things. So how she got a job at the Jobcentre is beyond me; considering half their job involves form filling, etc. I have never even heard of partial dyslexia, I thought you either could read or couldn’t.

          • There endth today’s gospel lesson here in Westminster Cathedral that JCP staff have been proved neither able to read or write.

  23. john macurthur yes lets do it how do we start

  24. The most dysfunctional department in this corrupt government attracts more criticism and ridicule http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/the-11-most-senseless-benefit-sanction-decisions-known-to-man–x1dmkd2_Me Watch it get even worse and watch that lard arsed, lard brained buffoon Smith walk away from the ruins and into some comfy directorships and a peerage after serving up the biggest catastrophe the next government will have to deal with (or more likely, ignore given how bloody useless Reeves is).

    Personally, I’d advice everyone dealing with the DWP to get a voice recorder (or use a smart phone) for every single meeting. It’s your right to audio record any meetings you are forced to attend.

    • fired4having_social_difficulites

      yes and you need to make the other party aware that you are recording the conversaton. i can assue you that if you inform them, they wil ask you to turn off your device or you will be removed by one of the G4S monkeys

  25. FUCK THE PCS UNION!!

    FUCK THE PCS UNION!! BURN IN HELL YOU FUCKING CUNTS!!

  26. First of all,I am retired and have had no dealings with the job centre for many years,the job centre never,ever found me a job,I always found a job by knocking on doors,newspaper adds,etc.
    My only knowledge of what it’s like now is by reading forums such as this,and believe me what I read is terrible,without a doubt.
    I wonder,I just wonder,how many people on this forum voted Tory or LibDem at the last election.
    What we have now is a section of the community who are despondent and in some cases depressed and very angry,and is it any wonder,through no fault of their own they are in the situation they are.
    I don’t see voting Labour at the next election will give a lot of relief,myself as a working class person who voted Labour all of my life will not be voting for that party,and certainly not for the other two parties either.
    Labour let the working class people,its core support down,very badly and will continue to do so with its support of immigration,which is to increase competition for jobs.
    I really do sympathise with the people of working age and sick and disabled people who are being discriminated against,and that is what it is,no other word for it,or to put it bluntly,being s##t upon.

  27. Geoff r not only money he saving on draconian sanctions he send jsa claiments post wp on a useless 2 week course same old stuff cv interviews
    and rubbish about uc and manageing money run by colleges which cost 1300 quid yet they will not pay for all the plant tickets that are required for 360 excavators 180 ones and dumpers etc and even the cscs card also the new classroom based cpc thing for 7,5 t which will move to delivery vans later and cost up to 500 quid even the plant tickets cost less than the moronic course and there was at least 5 contructors with yearsrs of experience
    who need these tickets to get decent work on the course all these daft regs
    are making many tens of thousands men my age over 40 unemployable
    and the cost is wa ybeyond being able to pay yet all these schemes just seam to create work and cushy jobs for these parasites and these parasites decry and comdem people to penury and with with there actions and the bastards would not have a job if it were not for unemployment they would
    be unemployed cos they would not last 5 mins in the proper commercial world to much up there own backside they shoukd be gratefull and its all under the guise of helping and support its bordering on persecution for god sake lets all rally at ids constituency Chingford so he does not get reelected
    I d move there tobe able to vote to get him out of the house of commons at least I am still surprised camoron has not been able to sack him ids must be blackmailing him lets get oraganised that’s the way the unions got somewhere in the beginning tolpuddle martyrs etc

    • Used to drive for a living now unemployed

      Speaking personally, this CPC crap has already made a lot of professional drivers unemployed and driven them into the clutches of JCP and their slave labour schemes. And next it will be delivery drivers. And then next you will next a CPC to driver a car.

      • Used to drive for a living now unemployed

        And you are right fred, CPC is just complete and utter moronic shite. I made a living driving for over 20 years ffs now about to be put onto a slave labour scheme shovelling shite for nowt. All crap like this does is keep shysters in cushy well-paid jobs “delivering” these bullshit and nonsensical “courses”.

  28. Used to drive for a living now unemployed

    This CUNT-try is a complete and utter shit-hole… and to think our forefathers fought and died for this shit-hole of a CUNT-try!

  29. i am sure are ancesters who fought I all wars and struggles would be ashamed of the unions and the labour party for what is happening to there decendents and some of the new aristrocacy ie the new breed of some of the busness class the reason why the toffs of the victorain timesand Edwardian were reasonably honourable dowton abbey and all that is becauce of the French revelution they came to the conclusion that
    better start being a bit nicer to the peasant classes or we cud lose our head just like the French toffs over the channel so they change there attitude I bet even those who fought in the ww1 to save the weathly classes there wealth from the germans and suffered in the 20 and 30s
    why did we risk our lives to save there system but this bunch have got to be the worst in 200 years lyers cheats exploiters the greeedocrocy and they contrive with foreign companys even giving mod contracts to south korea grants to amazon to build shed and then let them pay very little corporation tax but they says oh its jobs well even amazon is going to stop hoards of wage slaves soon on the desscipable zero hour contracts they orderd from china a 400m auto conveyer system they just turned into traitors of there countryman theres I ve ad money in the past but the pendulum has swung too far the other way this time a bit like cromwell felt at the time of the civil war sometimes I either think we should have a general appointed by the monarchy running the country for 5 or ten years
    for the graeter good of the all the country and shut parliament or a all out
    revoltion possibly communism but even that don’t work but certainly I government that cares about everyone but how do we get that labour are tarnished cos of blair brown I wish was bak and they chose the wrong brother cos of the blloody unions and there bock vote shows us what idiots the union barons are ther denying us the of chance of getting elected a good leader of the country cos there are many people who not vote for ed however he does perform sometimes he might shine enoughth yet god whats going to happen in the next 9 months the potential coalition that could be formed with the tories cud be a disatster the pendulum nees to go to the left to correct the imbalences without blood pouring onto the streets its better thru the ballot box but I do fear

  30. Ever since I fucked up TWO waste-of-time placements with my so-called provider, they haven’t still been able to arrange a new placement for me. Frankly, I couldn’t give a flying toss now seeing as I will NOT ever work for JSA as I have had to do on numerous occasions previously through YTS, new deal and flexible new deal.

    Recently in my provider office, the poster adverts (in reception) for the 6 placements, being offered to mugs like myself being on the scheme, have all been altered following my early exit from that paint factory place. These poster now say ‘Up to 16 hours per week placement work’ and no longer comply with the required minimum 30 hours per week as CWP states. I guess I rattled a few cages in that office after having a few run-ins with the staff member in charge of placements. After all, he is just a silly cunt who I can’t stand being in the same room as him and I simply don’t like one bit.

  31. fen tiger your name is imfamous in the fens r u from ?the history of them
    fascinating !!

  32. IDS wants an even lower benefit cap to be included in the Tories’ 2015 election manifesto. The sick fucker just doesn’t want to stop doesn’t he?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720940/Iain-Duncan-Smith-new-welfare-war-Plans-lower-benefit-cap-restrict-child-handouts.html

    • Maybe if we shoot the cunt he will be stopped from mucking us about with slave labour and his DWP reforms. I took a look in my diary and it is now open season for IDS shooting.

      • The top of the DWP really is like the last days of the Fuhrerbunker as IDS becomes ever more detatched from reality. Still, there will be no shortage of people ready to cremate him, regardless of whether he shoots himself first

        • One images that Herr Smith has constructed a secret war bunker in the basement of his Nazi organisation which is somewhere safe to hide from if he gets heckled visiting a jobcentre.

  33. Just curious, is the Scottish TUC a party to this endorsement of workfare, or is it completely different from the main TUC? Thanks for any information.

    • If the Scottish TUC are against workfare I am emigrating to Shetland as far as I can from IDS without actually leaving this country.

  34. scarecrow78,
    Thanks for link (though I have to grit my teeth when i go to the ‘daily hate’.
    I just read the comments and saw there are many people that think starving people is good :( and children :((

  35. fen tiger
    I am near fens I really like it around march etc plenty of sky lovely sunsets
    no handbrake ? the fen tigers were became quite militant to stop all the draining of the land as they lived off the marshes, eels, reeds from roofs mind you its big farmers who have got the benefit now with valuable fertile land and some villages where people would not have been able to live
    I think its a forgotten area of Britain maybe a blessing in disguise
    I think Ill go to Scotland as well even if they don’t divorose us I am not living under the nasty party rule and whoever the prostitutes they may form a government
    I cant see labour getting anywhere near enough seats even with a coalition
    with ed millipede, and te other balls up why oh why alan Johnson gave it up hes about the only one who has had a proper job a postman

    • The downside of living in the Fens is there is absolutely fuck all to do and fuck all jobs going around, except for a**sing about in poky food factories doing 4 on and 4 off 12hour shifts for just basic low wages. Sod that. Try telling this to the JCP that there is fuck all work in this isolated part of the country and they will sit there and laugh at you, and not lift a finger to help.

  36. I remember an ex- girlfriend who always said she would never join a union. At the time I thought she was nuts – well, she was a bit (but that’s women for you) – now I understand where she was coming from.

    • joe
      i’m sure that you can make your point without sexism…

    • Joe.. I’m a woman and a trade unionist, and a socialist. I am 100% behind the sick and, unemployed and have experienced the system myself as a lone parent b4 I found work. All I can say is my union took on my shitty employer and won my. Case..

      • kat
        my union the t&g never took on an employer in that way..if anyone was sacked, we stopped work until they were reinstated..if anyone was called into the office 2 shop stewards would be with them, the workers readied themselves to stop work. the situation never got to the point of being a case..cooperation between workers and management was amazing, so good we would regularly socialize…the management had to treat the workers with respect, or we stopped work, until they did.

        • Obd was that in the good old days? My shitty ex boss loved playing bouncy with us. In the form of our bouncing pay cheques. Respect? He regularly was racist, taking mick out of my head scarf. I was only employee to stand up to him and ended up on 8 weeks sick leave stress. He bankrupted company in end…

          • I endured all this ( and sexual harassment by text msg from another employee that continues to this day) because ” work, pays”aand I was terrified of going back to jcp. The union got, me all my money I was owed and was addressing. The racism ect when company went bust. Thank God I got a new job 2 weeks later. I’ll b on medication to control stress related migraine for years yet. Nice reminder of how theraputic work is…

            • kat
              oh yes it was in the good old days, the 1980’s, not a lifetime ago though…the basis that it was recognized that human beings don’t have an on off switch, and that poor management causes suffering, the key was use power to nip abuse in the bud before it become ingrained and was harder to shift… not as is now, one breaks “oh,well get another one”, there’s a big Q outside the factory gate….
              the point is that union solidarity is now a myth… unions without power are as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike….
              …the unions sold out yrs ago….imo, if they can’t do what they should do they should pack up and try something else…it takes along time to recover from the type of nasty crap you have been forced to endure, and also be expected to work at the same time…warm wishes…

              • Thanks obd. Means a lot. Respect to u.n every one else on here x

              • Well, OBD, you know what I think… The ‘old fashioned’ ideas about solidarity may now seem somehow unfashionable, but we’ll just have to rediscover what it means as it’s the only way we are going to have a hope of changing things.

                Even Tesco workers are beginning to see that they need a proper union, and not the Useless Seven Days a Week that is basically a company union that won’t do a thing once they start being laid off by the thousand, which is only a matter of time with the way that company fortunes are going, (along with Asda and Morrisons).

                I suspect things are going to get lot worse, as no economy based purely on consumerism can possibly work when no one has any money to consume anything but the basics, and that is fundamentally why the big four are failing and companies like Aldi and Lidl are prospering.

                Basically it’s down to people like us working together to try and educate people in how to take on the system and win.

                Oh, and you can join a REAL union here!

                https://www.iww.org.uk/

                • sib
                  yeah i do know what you mean, but unions cannot operate without full powers..and the main power is to withdraw labour, and to support others in their need ie secondary picketing etc etc, that power MUST be restored. fight for that! otherwise unions are nowt more than charities..union power has to be instant, or it is festering…

                • John McArthur

                  “that power MUST be restored. fight for that!”

                  If you are a union leader with a big salary, mortgage with family and two cars etc then you become scared at doing anything that might risk losing it because of unjust employment laws, i.e going to prison along with the draconian fines..

                  The young Bob Dylan sang “When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose” and that the kind of people we want. People who haven’t bowed down to the money god.

                  Somebody has posted a link elsewhere saying we don’t need a Union of Unemployed because we already have one but you can tell right away by looking at their web site they don’t get it at all when they look to charge fees from people who are unemployed and likely sanctioned. I have never heard of them orchestrating, for example, a national campaigns against B&M Stores or a whole variety a sham charity companies along the welfare pimps. That is why I posted a link to a blog looking for people who are willing to do something rather than self indulge in anarchist fantasies that are never, never going to be accepted by the people in general. A wordpress blog cost nothing. If there are no salaried/official leaders there is nobody to sue. It would be a place for coordinating protests outside their shops, doorsteps and wherever they ply their immoral trades.

                  Folks, keep playing the Xbox and PS3 and complaining, it’s working wonders isn’t?

                • john
                  the rise in unemployment/underemployment/sickness and disability sanctions et al. is a direct result of the destruction of union power..

  37. Another Fine Mess

    Anyone noticing a lack of simple and entry-level jobs posted lately. And those that are there are listing more and more needed certificates.
    Or is it just me?

  38. YES HAVE I THINK YOU ONLY WAY TO GET SOME WORK NOW IS THRU AGENCYS AT THERE BECON CALL ZERO HOUR ANY THING ELSE
    ON UJM IS ON OTHER SITES AND IS DUPLICATED MANY TIMES AND I DARE SAY COUNTED MANY TIMES HENCE WHY THEY KEEP SAYING THERE ARE MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND JOBS OUT THERE

  39. The Sickening Arrogance of the Tories Need’s to be Challenged

    Too Many have been like Sleep Walking Political Zombies whilst the
    Con Dems have Wrecked the Welfare State

    Politicians who Live in their Ivory Towers of Wealth and Luxury are
    Not Setting an Example of Austerity

    We Need a Better Secretary of State Now and a Better Government
    Now

    All the Tory Cuts on Welfare Need to be Reversed

    Tax the Rich Hands Off the Poor

    • Landless Peasant

      The arrogant Tory scum need to be publicly executed. I hereby volunteer for the job and I’ll even do it unpaid – after all this is the Big Society isn’t it?

  40. “Chancellor George Osborne has suggested that annual welfare savings of £12bn need to be found to avoid further cuts to departmental budgets.” EH?!
    “A spokeswoman for the work and pensions secretary denied he was considering the options set out in the Policy Exchange report.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28735336

    • Recall that Osborne seemed to take pleasure in announcing draconian measures that he surely knew was going to inflict great pain on innocents. I have no interest in what people do between consenting adults and never read such stories. But a headline caught my attention on an American web site, with picture, which describes an association between Osborne and a lady who “specialised in sado-masochism” . The story was partly covered in the Daily Mail.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2033499/BBC-plan-film-Tory-links-vice-girl-George-Osborne-cocaine-pictures.html

      Like I say it is none of my business what anyone does in matters like this but I think it may a relevance to the cruel and extreme measures he has be instrumental in bringing forth that have punished the weakest and poorest of society.

      If the man does indeed take pleasure in pain is he the right person to be involved in welfare?

      • john
        my point was the glaring contradiction in that statement. he really does not engage brain before opening mouth. and the bbc never bothered to comment on that and/or even reported that comment, beggars belief. a £12bn cut is a cut in departmental budgets..

        • Doesn’t he mean (speaking to all the other ministers) “if IDS doesn’t cut the welfare budget the way I want him then it means it has to come out of your budgets so start putting pressure on IDS and get your media pals to attack the welfare scum”.

  41. Unemployed Britons To Blame For High Levels Of Immigration, Says IDS

    http://welfarenewsservice.com/unemployed-britons-blame-high-levels-immigration-says-ids/

    This antagonistic toe rag continues to run the country down,cheapening and belittling benefit claimants’ wont get this country out of a crisis.

  42. JUST RECEIVED MY THIRTY FIRST LETTER FROM THE DWP REGARDING MY ESA THAT WAS REFUSED……………………

    MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE GIVEN IN BY NOW, AND MOST PROBABLY HAVE, BUT I AM LIKE A DOG WITH A BONE…………………

    “I JUST WON’T LET GO”

    TO KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN CHEATED, LIED TO, SUBJECTED TO CRUELTY AND TORTURED, JUST TO SAVE THE TREASURY MONEY, IS THE LOWEST OF THE LOWEST.

    OUR POLITICIANS DECIDED TO STEAL FROM THOSE LEAST LIKELY TO FIGHT BACK.

    YOU THE DISABLED, AND THE POOREST IN SOCIETY.

    BULLYING THOSE AT THE BOTTOM SEEMS TO BE THE NEW SPORT OF THE TOFFS.

    TO STOP ME APPEALING TO THE UPPER TRIBUNAL I HAVE BEEN REBUFFED BY FOUR DIFFERENT JUDGES UP TO NOW,

    JUDGES, WALL, CRACKNELL, McDONALD AND BIRD……………..

    “EACH ONE HAS NOT ONE IOTA OF FEELING FOR THE CLAIMANT, OF THEIR PREDICAMENT, DISABILITIES OR LIFESTYLE”

    THEY HAVE BEEN CAREFULLY CHOSEN TO UPHOLD THE DECISIONS OF CHARLATAN HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS, PLEASE STOP LAUGHING!!!!

    JUSTICE AND LAW WENT OUT OF THE WINDOW YEARS AGO, THESE PEOPLE ARE NOTHING SHORT OF PARASITES WHO LEECH OFF THE MISERY THEY DOLE OUT EACH DAY.

    EVERY TIME THEY PUT THEIR MONICKER ON A DWP STRUCTURED STATEMENT, THEIR POCKETS BULGE EVEN FURTHER.

    YOU ARE SUPPOSED, IN UK LAW, TO BE HEARD BY YOUR PEERS.

    LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF PEER IN THE DICTIONARY. IT STATES “A PERSON OF EQUAL RANK OR MERIT”.

    OUR JUDICIARY IS NOTHING OF THE SORT, STATE CONTROLLED YES MEN………………………..

    ALL THE DECISIONS AGAINST THE POOR AND DISABLED ARE SO CLEARLY BIASED, AS TO BE BEYOND BELIEF………………………

    …………………..EVEN YEARS AGO I WAS TALKING TO A LOCAL MAGISTRATE OVER A BEER.
    I ASKED HIM IF THE JUDICIAL PROCESS AT A LOCAL LEVEL WAS INFLUENCED IN ANY WAY?

    HE REPLIED THAT THE JOB OF A LOCAL MAGISTRATE WAS MORE OF A SHOW FOR THE ACCUSED, TO LET THEM THINK THAT THEY WERE SEEING JUSTICE IN ACTION.

    HE SAID HIS JOB WAS EASY BECAUSE MOST DECISIONS WERE ALREADY PROMPTED BY THE CROWN PROSECUTION SERVICE BEFOREHAND. HE JUST DID AS HE WAS INSTRUCTED.

    TO THIS DAY I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN WHAT HE TOLD ME………………..

    ODDLY, THE ZERO MARKS THAT I WAS AWARDED BY EMMA BRODRICK HCP, DO NOT ECHO THE EIGHT DOCTORS STATEMENTS THAT I UNCOVERED IN MY FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST FOR ALL DOCUMENTS THAT THE DWP HELD ON ME………….

    I WOULD URGE ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO IS HAVING A DING DONG WITH THE DWP, TO REQUEST ALL INFORMATION THAT THEY HOLD.

    IT COSTS NOTHING AND WILL GIVE YOU THAT VITAL BIT OF AMMUNITION TO FIGHT YOUR CORNER………………..

    MY PERSONAL INFORMATION WAS OVER SEVEN INCHES DEEP AND CAME IN THREE GIANT ENVELOPES!

    SO ONWARD I MARCH, CONFIDENT THAT I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG OTHER THAN CHALLENGING THE STATE SPONSORED THEFT OF MY BONAFIDE BENEFITS…………..

  43. “TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT THE GOVERNMENT TELL US, COMPARE THE STATEMENT GIVEN BY MARK HOBAN TO THE ONE GIVEN BY THE DISGRACED UNUM INSURANCE COMPANY”

    THE HUGE INSURANCE GIANT WHO WAS FINED MILLIONS IN THE STATES FOR RUNNING A DISABILITY DENIAL SCAM ARE NOW RUNNING OUR DWP DISABILITY POLICIES……………………………..

    Mr Hoban:
    I can confirm two Unum employees, a doctor and an occupational therapist, were part of the technical working groups which carried out reviews of the personal capability assessment. As with all members of the technical working group they were appointed as recognised experts in benefit assessment and in supporting return to work for people with disability.
    An extensive search of records has not found any further discussions between the Department’s officials and representatives of Unum. However, it should be noted that there are approximately 100,000 officials within the Department and it would not be possible, except at disproportionate cost, to ask each of them whether they have engaged in any such discussions.

    UNUMS STATEMENT OF INTENT

    13. UnumProvident is actively engaged with the Government, policy-makers and large employers to share best practice and to see where our systems and approaches might be applied more widely. We are currently working with the Department of Work and Pensions on this, and have had discussions with officials in HM Treasury and the Prime Minister’s office. We have met with officials to help better understand the nature of the IB casebook, and to discuss how our commercial experience and expertise might be more widely applied. In addition, we will shortly be supporting the National Employment Panel in its work on the New Deal for Disabled People through a secondment of one of our senior managers.

    “THE CORRUPT AMERICAN PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE GIANT IS CONTROLLING OUR GOVERNMENT IN THE PRIVATISATION OF THE NHS AND WELFARE REFORMS”

    • “OVER TWO HUNDRED PEERS IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS HAVE LINKS TO PRIVATE HEALTH INSURERS AND HOSPITAL SERVICE PROVIDERS”

      THERE SHOULD BE AN OFFICIAL INQUIRY INTO CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.?…………………………….

      WHO IS SET TO GAIN FROM RECENT GOVERNMENT POLICY?

      WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE VOTING ON INTERESTS THAT WILL CREATE PERSONAL WEALTH?

      • Geoffrey .. Dig deep into the Faculty of Occupational Medicine (registered as an independent charity) and you will find that they too are a member of the same Atos family along with their partner the Royal College of Physicians of which the FOM is a faculty member of, and living rent free in the same accommodation.. By both groups distancing themselves and pertaining to be a different organisation from Atos/Unum they can gain additional seats on government advisory panels, give support to policies, and be additionally consulted on new legislation to give strength to the intended changes., all whilst being part of that same group.

        In 2009 the FOM held their 30th Anniversary celebration at the House of Lords supported by their sponsors Serco and Atos Healthcare..

        Occupational health services serving more than 1,000,000 Government and private employees had achieved SEQOHS accreditation by October 2012. this is managed by the Royal College of Physicians (RCP) on behalf of the Faculty of Occupational Medicine (FOM). Staff working for some of the country’s biggest employers are receiving occupational health advice and support from accredited services; this includes 1,000,000 staff looked after by ATOS healthcare. A hint came from Cameron when he said “We are all in it together.”.

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  45. We Need Better in Office than the Rubbish we Have

    We Need Welfare State Wrecking Stopped and the National
    Sleepwalk as Well

    We Need a Socialist Government and a Socialist State
    Not Neo Liberalism or Neo Nazism

    Down with Neo Liberal Slavery and Racist Scum who Blame
    Immigrants for Everything but are Oblivious to the Damage
    to ” The National Interest ” that this Regime of Tory and
    Liberal Democrat Scum are

    I Warned People that the Tories would Mess up this Country
    but too Many were in La La Land

  46. “HANDY THINGS, THESE TORNADO JETS”

    Britain is deploying RAF Tornado jets to provide greater surveillance of northern Iraq after being forced to abort two attempts to drop aid for Yazidi refugees on Mount Sinjar amid fears that the cargo could have injured people on the ground.

    ………….MARVELLOUS AIRCRAFT, THESE TORNADO JETS, BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR WAR BUT ARE NOW BEING DEPLOYED TO HELP HUMANITARIAN AID DROPS……………….

    WHILE MP’s SHOUT OUT FOR PARLIAMENT TO BE RECALLED, IMAGINE WHAT DEALS OBAMA AND CAMERON HAVE ALREADY MADE BEHIND THE BACKS OF OUR ELECTED GOVERNMENT………

    ALL THE WARHEADS, BOMBS AND CANNONS WILL HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH HUMANITARIAN AID SUCH AS CRATES OF CLEAN DRINKING WATER, FOOD ESSENTIALS AND TENTS…………………..

    “DREAM ON, WE ARE BEING LED INTO ANOTHER WAR THAT WE CAN ILL AFFORD TO TAKE PART IN”

    BLAIRS LITTLE CONFLICT HAS BLOSSOMED INTO THE BIGGEST FUCK UP OF THE CENTURY……………………………

  47. We have Got to have the Con Dems Out of Office Now and Forever

    We Need a Better Chancellor of the Exechequer than what we have been
    Lumbered with Thanks to the Gormless and an End to Nutcase Tory
    Budgets

    End Nutcase Budgets and the Con Dem Dictatorship

  48. There should be a Truth and Retribution Commission Established to
    Address the Misery Inflicted by the Con Dem Regime

    Oppression Collaboration is Evil

  49. The Expenses Scrounge by Politicians is an Outrage

    Rich Politicians are the Real Scroungers Not the Poor

    Stand Up to Neo Liberalism and Neo Nazism

  50. What a Diabolical Mess Britain is

  51. People should of been Demonstrating over the Bank Holiday
    Not acting like a Bunch of Zombies I Mean the Public at
    Large

    TV Alcohol Football but Social Justice and Helping the Poor is
    More Important

    The Tories have been Obnoxious and we Really someone in
    Office Better than Tory Scum

    Down with Nazi Scum Tory Scum out of Office

  52. I am Disgusted at the Spinelessness of People at Large as Well as
    the Selfishness of the I Am All Right Jacks and the Despicables in
    Cabinet Positions that should Not be There in the First Place as
    No Decent Person would of Voted for Them

    Shame on Spinelessness and Nihilistic Totalitarian Britain

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  54. geoff
    excellent post..you’d think they were trying to be awkward and put people off claiming/appealing…scrap sanctions and the WCA/PIP now…

  55. RIP DAVID CLAPSON

    SENTENCED TO DEATH BY A MEMBER OF THE PCS UNION!!

  56. ‘No one should die penniless and alone': the victims of Britain’s harsh welfare sanctions, fully supported by the scum PCS Union.

  57. Those scumbags should be in the dock facing murder charges.

  58. ‘It’s striking that the £39 IDS tried to charge the taxpayer for one of his breakfasts could actually have been the difference between life and death for Mr Clapson.’

  59. Yes i agree. I sent a tweet to muppet Cameron the other day asking if he will instigate an inquiry into David Clapson’s death? Into how it was deemed right and proper by a DM to sanction a man’s benefits and leave him in a position like that?.

    No response, of course.

    PCS union are scum.

  60. fired4having_social_difficulites

    did you really expect the twat with a blue tie to reply? he knows hes going out on the next general election so him and his party are trying every trick in the book to win back votes. but its TO LATE NOW MR Cameron!

  61. £32 pounds a week for the last fourteen months creates a lot of venom obd…

  62. geoff
    i’ve come to the conclusion that they are infantile ie not adult, not grown up..they are immature…it is obvious that sick and disabled people et al need their benefits…they are emotionally children geoff…yet these children control ones vitals of life..they live in a fools paradise and expect us to as well..they are concrete operational…one has to speak to them as such…this has really sunk in for me within the #indyref framework, the people of scotland are on the verge of taking their sweetie jar away..
    watch the childish man…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zji4dTx-j8w

  63. …………………..meanwhile, all the uk weapons export license holders will be frothing at the bit to think of us entering into another theatre of war.

    ……….and how many weapons export licences did you curtail after the one sided blitzing of Gaza, Mr Cameron?

    “EXACTLY FUCKING NONE, WHICH SURPRISES NO ONE”I

  64. Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    “FOR ALL OF YOU AT THE DWP WHO THINK THAT SANCTIONS WORK”

    ……………a little reminder to put your minds at rest…….

    Single mother died penniless after her benefits were stopped

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/disabled-mum-died-alone-penniless-3662850

    Former soldier David Clapson, died after benefit sanctions.

    http://www.theadvertisergroup.co.uk/Daily-News/Stevenage/Lessons-must-be-learned-from-diabetic-former-soldier-who-died-after-benefits-sanction-20140722174205.htm#ixzz38TYzrM00

    Sick benefits claimant has HEART ATTACK during Jobcentre test – and Government axe his payments

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sick-benefits-claimant-heart-attack-3098219#ixzz39KxGjWnj

    A disabled man died penniless when he lost his benefits after being judged fit to work

    http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Cambridge-microbiologist-Robert-Barlow-dies-penniless-in-Liverpool-after-his-benefits-were-withdrawn-despite-him-needing-a-new-heart-20140409063051.htm

    Linda Wootton: Double heart and lung transplant dies nine days after she has benefits stopped

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/linda-wootton-double-heart-lung-1912498#.U19bUv55SVY.facebook

    Mark Wood, 44, starved to death after having his benefits removed.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/28/man-starved-to-death-after-benefits-cut?CMP=twt_gu

    Farmer David coupe was refused benefits after being diagnosed with a bad back, terminal cancer and diabetes.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2474772/Farmer-David-Coupe-refused-Atos-healthcare-reassessment-diagnosed-terminal-cancer.html

    Grandad shoots himself after finding out his benefits were being stopped

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grandad-shaun-pilkington-shoots-himself-2989685#ixzz39L4zeYSQ

    Martin Hadfield, 20 committed suicide 24hours after job-seeker meeting.

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/379712/Jobseeker-commits-suicide-after-being-worn-down-by-Job-Centre-bureaucracy

    ……….THE SUCCESS OF PUNITIVE ACTS AGAINST THE WEAK AND DISABLED, laid out for all to see………….

  65. I enjoyed that obd, the guy has the courage of his convictions and is not frightened to speak out against the lies and bluster that we are continually bombarded with.
    One of my mates got a letter yesterday from the DVLA about a car log book, written at the bottom was the new government catchphrase, “failure to do this may end up in prosecution”……………

    Same old shit as the DWP on instructions from it’s inglorious nudge unit.
    Yes their sweety jar is in risk of being withheld.
    And what can they do about it, absolutely jack shit!
    Telling them they cannot use the pound is tantamount to kicking the ball away, childish to the last……………………….

  66. When they stole my ESA after the ATOS DISABILITY DENIAL, i was told several times that i could not use my medical history from my DLA because it is another department and a different type of benefit.
    I even have it in writing from the DWP that my DLA evidence is inadmissable against the ESA ………………

    What they told me was a complete crock of shit, which you would expect from Unums new disability partner………………..

    ……………….and do you know why they tried to stop my DLA evidence, because on one of the documents it clearly states, “WE ARE NOT DISPUTING THAT MR REYNOLDS HAS DISABLING CONDITIONS” and they then go on to list them, stating, “FACTS OF THE CASE, PREVIOUS CONDITION”

    “MR REYNOLDS IS ENTITLED TO THE HIGHER RATE OF MOBILITY COMPONENT FROM AND INCLUDING 14/11/2002, BECAUSE HE IS VIRTUALLY UNABLE TO WALK CONSIDERING THE DISTANCE, SPEED, MANNER AND TIME HE IS ABLE TO WALK WITHOUT SEVERE DISCOMFORT”

    “MR REYNOLDS IS ENTITLED TO THE LOWEST RATE OF THE CARE COMPONENT FROM AND INCLUDING 12/11/2002, BECAUSE HE CANNOT PREPARE A COOKED MEAL FOR HIMSELF”

    …………………………STRANGE HOW THEY TRY TO PREVENT MEDICAL NOTES FROM OTHER BENEFITS, ISN’T IT?

  67. geoff
    yes the lady asked a perfectly reasonable question and he went into a tantrum and avoided her and answering her question @ all cost’s…now as far as plan B goes, that is clearly laid out 4/2013 by the scotgov in this paper…the generous offer of CU by scotgov = scot pays it’s deficit debts (which their is no legal obligation for scotgov to do either way, btw), but it wants to, or plan B, which is “stelingisation”….scotland HAS to have a currency, and it will be the £ no if’s no but’s…even if they chose the euro, that would take yrs to do…so scotland must have a currency post indy, otherwise the indy ref is pointless, or didn’t the conlibdemslab think of that? if we vote for indy sept18th’14 we don’t get indy until mar2016, this is the negotiation period…by then the currency issue will be settled, it cannot be settled before the vote in any case, well it could be done before the vote, but it does not need to be…to imply that scotland won’t/can’t have a currency is ridiculous…so it’s a red herring..

    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/04/5881/8

  68. From: Mr Harris

    10 August 2014

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

    Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of
    Information reviews.

    I am writing to request an internal review of Department for Work
    and Pensions’s handling of my FOI request ‘Community Centre where
    95% of the MWA participants wanted to continue’.

    You have not responded. By law, you should normally have responded
    promptly and by 5 August 2014

    A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is
    available on the Internet at this address:

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/c

    Yours faithfully,

    Mr Harris

    Link to this

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/community_centre_where_95_of_the#incoming-549231

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