Let’s Make Shoezones’s Workfare Scheme Fall Apart Faster Than Their Shoes

workfare-stick-upShoezone are in the firing line on social media over their use of unpaid workers after @boycottworkfare tweeted the latest list of companies using Traineeships to avoid paying their staff.

Traineeships are the latest attempt by the Tories to introduce workfare for private companies by stealth.  There is no pretence that Traineeships will lead to a real job with proper wages.  According to the DWP these schemes, which can involve up to six months of unpaid work, are to ‘prepare’ people for becoming Apprentices, at below the minimum wage.

George Osborne announced before Christmas that young, unemployed people between the age of 18 and 21 will be forced to attend either a Traineeship, other unpaid work experience position or face a Community Work Placement.  That means young people who refuse to work in Shoezone for free will be forced to carry out 780 hours community work instead – for no wages.  Traineeships are workfare, and claimants  who refuse them face a punishment that is double the length of current community service sentences that can be inflicted by the courts.

So ignore Shoezone when they claim, as they did yesterday, that: “Our voluntary work experience and education scheme for young adults is not linked to the workfare programme”.

And what can young people expect if they work for free at Shoezone?  According to the company they will be ‘trained’ in:  “greeting customers and assisting them with their purchases, training on the till, dealing with stock replenishment and deliveries, and general tidying and store presentation.”

So that’s it, tidying up, stacking shelves and saying fucking hello.  This is naked exploitation and Shoezone must think their customers are fucking idiots if they expect them to believe that their use of workfare is anything else.  Or buy anything from them again.

Boycott them, and tell them what you think on twitter @Shoezone and facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/shoezone

Please help spread the word and get organising for the Week of Action Against Workfare that begins on 29th March, visit Boycott Workfare’s  website for the full details and latest news.

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225 responses to “Let’s Make Shoezones’s Workfare Scheme Fall Apart Faster Than Their Shoes

  1. Reblogged this on Rat Xue's Blog and commented:
    #shoezone #workfare #unpaidlabour

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    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      MY MESSAGE TO ALL THE READERS IS KEEP SMILING………..

      DON’T LET THIS CORRUPT GOVERNMENT AND IT’S BULLY BOYS, THE DWP, BRING YOU DOWN.

      NOT FOR ONE MOMENT DID THEY EXPECT THE FIGHT THAT YOU, THE DISABLED, ARE PUTTING UP.

      BE PROUD OF WHAT YOU ARE AND LET THEM KNOW YOU ARE A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH.

      THE DWP ARE SHITTING THEMSELVES, THEY KNOW THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS AND WHEN THE WRITS START FLYING, WATCH THEM COWER………………

      WE ALL KNOW THAT USING NON PROFESSIONAL, NON QUALIFIED PERSONNEL TO STEAL YOUR BENEFITS IS NOT LAWFUL.
      THEY ALSO KNOW THIS AND ARE TRYING TO FIND A WAY OUT OF THE MESS THEY CREATED.

      HOW CAN A NON MEDICALLY TRAINED DWP DECISION MAKER, MAKE A DECISION ABOUT YOUR CAPABILITY TO WORK?
      THIS IS ALSO UNLAWFUL!

      YOU MIGHT BE DOWN AND OUT AT THE MOMENT BUT JUST WAIT TILL THE BACKLOG OF THE MONEY THEY STOLE HAS TO BE REIMBURSED.
      IT WILL HAPPEN AS THE PRESSURE MOUNTS FROM ALL THE AGGRIEVED PARTIES STARTS TO POUR DOWN ON THEM.

      UNUM HAD TEN CANS OF SHIT KNOCKED OUT OF THEM IN THE STATES, THE SAME WILL HAPPEN HERE………

      THINK POSITIVE, YOU HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL, WRONG.
      THE DWP AND THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM ARE THE AGGRESSORS, THE BULLIES, CORRUPT AT EVERY LEVEL!

      I KNOW THAT AND YOU KNOW THAT AND SO DO THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSIONERS……………..

      ETHNIC CLEANSING, EUGENICS, NAZI IDEOLOGY, CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL, HAS BEEN PERPETRATED AGAINST US…..

      THE TRUTH HAS A WAY OF SLOWLY UNFOLDING BEFORE OUR VERY EYES.
      GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS ARE HIDDEN FROM THE EYES OF THE POPULUS. IT’S NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH CORPORATE CONFIDENTIALITY AS THEY WOULD MAKE YOU BELIEVE, IT’S ALL ABOUT HIDING CORRUPT PRACTICES AND THE PUPPETEERS OF THE MULTINATIONALS WHO PULL THE STRINGS, THE LOBBYING CIRCLES……………

      THE LIKES OF SMITH AND MCVEY WILL DISAPPEAR INTO HISTORY AS THE BASTARDS WHO ROBBED THE WEAKEST WHILE THE RICH PROSPERED.

      YOUR BENEFITS HAVE BEEN SQUANDERED ON THE IDEOLOGY OF A CLOWN. COUNTLESS MILLIONS HAVE BEEN TIPPED DOWN THE DRAINS AS YOU STARVE AND THE KNIFE OF AUSTERITY TAKES AWAY YOUR SOUL…………..

      “THESE BASTARDS WILL PAY, IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME”

  3. A copper can beat a woman senseless on camera and get 150 hours community service. Have the misfortune to be unemployed in a disastrous world-wide recession and you get 780 hours unpaid labour. Every single day this government sinks lower and lower.

  4. I have already let Peacocks know my feeling on Slave Labour, so here we go for Shoezone. The shoes are Fucking disgrace anyway!!!!

    • Is it Idi Amin Smiths’ dream to have the UK as the sweatshop capital of the world?

      • fen
        trouble is there is much global competition for that dubious status……

        • We should vote IDS out of power quickly before he starts sanctioning us for simply breathing, and not just for scurrying around with impossible job application targets. This country will end up like North Korea before too long if IDS grabs the job of Prime Minister…

  5. To be fair to shoe zone they are doing exactly the same job as their paid employees do, so at some time in the future they might get a job doing it when the current employees get fed up and leave, they are just sticking to the system it is the government that have re-introduced slave labour. (I am not and never have been an employee of shoe zone or any other shoe outlet)

    • my name is [my] name...

      Why are they going to employ someone in the future, when all they have to do is call on the Slave Masters to send another Poor Sod through the revolving door.

      The current employees are already fed up because it usually means they get less hours, so they don’t exactly welcome the slaves either. How demoralizing do you think it is for these people to be doing exactly the same as the next man or woman but at the end of the day… no reward for the fruits of their labour.

      • The trick is if sent on workfare (or the forthcoming non April Fool’s joke of community service) to do as little as possible and actively disrupt without of course risking benefit. There is very little incentive to do a full day’s graft for 2 pounds an hour let alone 30 hours picking up litter when cons only do 15 hours a week. Whilst on the subject has anyone else been told what they are doing 1st of April yet?

    • Wrong! all wrong! They choose to take the slave labor. They can refuse to take part in the scheme, no one is forcing them to. You’re right about one thing though, they’re doing the same work as paid staff! That is slavery and it’s immoral and disgusting.

    • I assume when you want a job you go and work for someone for free until or unless someone leaves and you get a shot at a paid post. Practice what you preach mate.

      • Dead Wo/man's Shoes

        Barry waits until there is any opportunity to fill a dead wo/man’s shoes lol:-)

        • No I don’t I was just pointing out that the government made the process and its hardly surprising that companies will exploit it but it seems there are people who are to stupid to realise that.

          • barry
            you have failed to come up with a viable alternative set of actions to counter the attacks on us, other than what is already happening…i invite you once again to do so….

            • Don’t vote for the right wing parties like the tories the lib dums or new labour.

              • barry
                that is plainly obvious to all….
                someone always does or they would not be in power now, would they? so your solution is theoretical only….so we can only resist by pushing certain pressure points which is what is happening now…

                • Well we are all to well aware that many people vote the way their parents did, that is something that is difficult to change, indeed the eussr are getting so worried they want to force schools to spread propaganda that the eussr is vital for all of europe, it isn’t, and that it is the major force for democracy in the world, it isn’t, and that without it we would all be at war, in fact it is creating massive unrest in the region. Despite all of this, and the BBC propaganda machine, UKIP is gaining support at a faster rate than any other party has ever achieved.

  6. Much as I hate workfare, you have to admit that this is all there is to a retail job: being nice and helpful, using the till and stacking shelves. Cleaning and tidying up is also required very often. Also stock-taking and ordering new stock but that’s for managers. In your condemnation of workfare, you cannot go so far that you actually offend people who do these jobs for a living.

    • something survived...

      For the people who do these jobs for a living, workfare THREATENS those jobs. They can resign and get a severance package, or can be sacked. People on workfare can not leave or they are sanctioned, can’t resign or they are sanctioned, and can be sacked so get sanctioned for that too. The paid staff will resent the workfare as they are taking away their work, so causing paid workers to be sacked or have hours/pay cut. Or they will gradually (no matter how long they worked there or how good at their job) be sacked/made redundant to make way for workfare replacements. Or be ‘offered’ (!) their own job back as intern or workfare. The fact workfare are doing the jobs, devalues the jobs and makes employers/public think it’s an unskilled job.
      If you’re an employer, as well as not having to pay wages, you don’t pay out anything you’d spend on proper paid staff (holidays, pensions, taxes, benefits, bonuses, childcare, sick pay…) when replacing them with workfare.

  7. Barry, the government may have ‘re-introduced slave labour’ but that is no excuse for companies to implement those policies. As for employee’s ‘might get a job at the end’ says it all. They might not. After working for NOTHING for all that time, moral, depression and the like would soon kick in. Start PROTESTING BARRY!!!!!

    • The four-week Mandatory Work Activity is already slave labour, under pain of illegal JSA sanctions. Everybody sent on the bollocksed-up MWA then goes onto the WP (within 6 months of completing MWA) for two years where their life and soul is sucked out slowly by the vampires infesting the WPP offices.

      I’ll be spilling the guts about my WPP when I leave, if I do get the chance to tell my side of events.

    • I do complain long and bitterly I was just pointing out that the company itself may be exploiting the law but it didn’t write it, and lets face it you have to sell a lot of crap shoes to make a profit at their prices, so it’s no wonder they will abuse the system to get labour as cheap as possible. I buy shoes off the net so i don’t actually support their stores anyway. I know all about sanctions and atos denying valid claims, I’m on the receiving end of it.

      • barry
        and just how do you propose we get through to the policy makers, notwithstanding that no moral employer, would use workfare, it is not mandated that they do, as it is a choice…

        • I believe that the only way to do that is a full scale revolt, but being British that isn’t likely to happen. Employer and moral in the same sentence is a bit of an oxymoron they are there to make a profit and the amount of decent employers especially at the present part of the economic cycle are as rare as hens teeth.

          • barry
            maybe, but this is the level at which our current conversation is at, to regain ground and push back the onslaught…without a full scale revolt, which is unlikely to ever happen…then as cromwell found the inevitable power vacs and no mitigation for them….what do you reasonably suggest other than what is being done atm?….

      • Yes it may be “Legal” but is it moral? I was just following orders? Load the Trains.

  8. prepare for the adult world of work, get an apprenticeship £4 10/- 8d per wk…get up @7 walk 2 miles to work, and 2 miles home in all weathers, get to work for 8, clock in, put overalls and hand cream on, 1st month shattered then gradually get used to the routine, no pre work experience required, as work experience gained on the job, in order to do the job and most importantly get paid for the job….there is no point in these endless rehearsals, unless there is a work role to play which there mostly is not, and if that was/is the point, the point would be quickly diminished, because of people taking worthwhile PAID employments, if available, which they are not …WE serves no useful purpose, and is damaging to self esteem, logic alone proves that, and sure enough the stats back the logic up.. the atmosphere is entirely artificial, it does not work, it cannot work…i know lets do more of it, just to make sure! it’s like practicing going to the barbers, for a cup of tea….there for entirely for the wrong reasons…coz there are no f……..g jobs….

  9. Shaft the government where it will upset them next May. Vote for UKIP and tell the Condemlab to stuff it.

    David Camoron or Ed Millipeed (if he gets into power) will at some point could tweak the lame work programme to include mandatory CWA/workfare; and that as condition of receiving benefits, all work programme slaves will be forced to undertake anything up to 6 months slave labour as part of their humanity-stripping WP attendance.

    Any MP wanting my votes next year will be told to fuck off and will be given the truth about the work programme. I know enough to blow the fucking scam wide open.

    • Party Election Broadcast

      That was a Party Election Broadcast on behalf of UKIP.

    • Unfortunately, UKIP seem to favour workfare as well. Johnny mentioned that in one of his posts a while ago. They have conveniently removed the evidence from their website though (apparently). I say apparently because I have never visited the UKIP website.

      • Oh well. My vote for UKIP won’t now happen. All the political parties are as bad as each other. The only difference between them is the colour of their Eton ties worn. If they all wore the same colour tie, we wouldn’t even know which MP was which or whom they belong to.

      • I think you will find that Johnny is not writing the UKIP manifesto, and at this time it has not been completed so I doubt if he has any real knowledge of what it says or for that matter what UKIP plans in that area.

        • You’ll put your faith in an election manifesto? It’s a bit like believing in Santa, B.

        • From January 2010.
          The gumpff UKIP didn’t want the peasant plebs to see.
          This is what UKIP really thinks about the unemployed, and indeed anyone on any benefits. THEY HAVEN’T CHANGED THEIR MIND ON THIS STUFF THAT FAR AS ANYONE KNOWS.

          4.5 The welfare state has also created a brazen culture of benefit “scrounging”, whereby individuals who are perfectly capable of working refuse to do so, and go on benefits instead. They frequently justify this by feigning illness. As well as promoting laziness and parasitism, the benefit system allows lucrative avenues for fraud and deceit. The benefits system allows for both breaches of the letter of the law, and the spirit of the law.
          4.6 Despite the creation of over 2 million new jobs (?) since 1997, the number of people claiming benefits has fallen by a modest 400,000. This leaves over 5 million people still claiming benefits. This would suggest that many people find the benefits system, with its labyrinthine avenues for collecting additional payments, more appealing than searching for a job. Indeed, an investigation by The Sun newspaper found that many people prefer benefits to a minimum wage job. The same investigation also suggested that the benefits system was being used to purchase bloc-votes amongst Britain’s urban working class.

          6.9 UKIP recommends that Housing Benefit/Council Tax Benefit payments to private tenants be phased out and the money spent on ‘Workfare’ jobs instead. Local councils, together with local employment agencies will assess whatever skills claimants have that are of benefit to society and ensure that the best use is made of them, whether this is sweeping streets, gardening, assisting in pre- or after school clubs, providing extra tuition for failing pupils, care for the elderly and disabled. Full use should be made of this pool of labour when local infrastructure projects are being built (see appendices) before jobs are offered to workers from Eastern Europe. Local councils would also work closely with local employers, for example by subsidising
          training places.
          6.11 UKIP believes that all forms of work – whether paid or voluntary – are of great benefit in terms of social interaction, self-discipline and self-esteem. Workfare jobs will be a useful springboard into employment in the private sector. UKIP accepts that local councils will always not obtain ‘full value for money’ for these jobs, but
          believes that it is better for people to be doing something rather than becoming completely inactive. Under UKIP’s local government proposals, local councils will be freed from central targets and will have more responsibility for their own budgets – there will be less central funding and more local taxation, so there will always democratic pressure to obtain value for money.
          7.9 The three old parties seem keen to adopt the ‘Winsconsin model’, whereby benefits are time limited. UKIP’s view is that if benefits have to be time limited then the system is not working – a lifetime on benefits is only an option if benefits are too generous in the first place.

          11.3 What successive governments have overlooked is that they cannot rely on the goodwill of the unemployed or yet another imaginatively-named scheme. The unemployed respond to incentives as much as anybody else. If they qualify for free social housing and a reasonable standard of living without work, and taking on a low paid job scarcely compensates them for the loss of means-tested benefits, then no amount of cajoling will change that. Indeed it is almost illogical for people in the poverty trap to seek work.

          Among the jobs that will be covered by the Workfare scheme will be caring for the elderly and disabled, so if a person requires more hours care than close relatives can be expected to provide they will be able to apply to the local council for additional practical help.

          1.1. Additional small scale local public projects – low skilled
          Litter patrols
          Cleaning up graffiti
          Snow removal on pavements in harsh weather
          Maintenance of parks and gardens, street furniture, railway stations, bus stops,
          schools, hospitals and social housing
          Directing car parking on days when sports/concerts/other large events are in town
          Running soup kitchens for the homeless
          Packing “goody boxes” for troops stationed overseas
          Delivering leaflets for the council, such as council newspapers or info scheme leaflets
          1.2. Additional small scale local public projects – semi-skilled and skilled
          Extra tuition in the Three R’s
          Teaching English as a foreign language
          Work in nurseries and after-school clubs
          Care for the elderly and disabled
          Working as a guide at local historic sites
          Administrative assistance on local councils and businesses which agree
          Manning telephone switchboard at local council offices
          These projects would be ‘additional’ in the sense that they will be in addition to
          existing baseline local authority services and not supplant existing jobs or employees.

          1.3. Large scale public projects
          All Government contracts for public works would require the use of the Workfare
          scheme, including:
          Rail projects, such as new high-speed rail lines, reopened lines, rail rebuilding works
          Road projects, such as new by-passes and motorways
          Local transport infrastructure projects
          Energy infrastructure projects
          Utility infrastructure projects, such as flood defences, water grids, dams and reservoirs
          New hospital projects New school or college building. Prison building.

          • UKIP site sounds like a lovely place to (not) go.

            The way that’s written is really reminiscent of a very, very bad book … it’s mostly nigh-on impossible to read but it’s theme was the “struggle” against group(s) of “parasites/scroungers”, how to root them out and ostracise, then separate them from ‘civilised’ society.

            Today on the news (radio) the government are cracking down (again/more) against benefit frauds who may have their assets (!) seized via having to show copies of bank statements/financial records in case there are any ‘unusual’ spending patternss being … relentlessly witchhunting and villifying when not sending people out to work in sole-destroying shops for no money.

            • @ Shirley – Did you mean sole (and the rest of the shoe) SELLING shops? Although, they would probably sell our souls for us if they were able, and make a tidy profit for themselves.

            • … have your computer seized! wtf!

              • I’m sorry if this is scaremongering – it was something i heard this morning before being properly awake & so might not be 100% what was reported.

                The gist of it was more cracking down on alleged “fraudsters” on benefits though & then something that sounded fairly shocking at that early hour at least, along the lines of “We will look in all your cupboards – and there had better not be anything nutritious in there …”.

                • I’ve just checked on the BBC’s news site and it mentions confiscating non-essential items like cars (which you might use to look for work/get to work) and computers (which you would have to use to look for work (the library or jobcentres/work programme providers not always being open)). What a charming man Mr C is!

                • totallygivenup

                  yes a new campaign of hate to be posted on bus stops shopping centres and wait fot it..the tv,saying when we catch you we will leave you with nothing,you cant hide! catch these disgusting sciving fuckers grass em up or youll be next,oh how i wish we had ukraines balls

                • Gordon Brown gave the DWP the right to examine bank statements directly without the account holders permission or knowledge if they suspect someone of fraud. And when Cameron first came into office he put measures in place to check to see if benefit claimant were paying money out on cable/satellite tv and such like. So it’s pretty much already been around for years. Personally I’m surprised that the Coalition hasn’t brought back Labour’s lie detector programme!

                • As far as I know they don’t confiscate the cars and computers of convicted criminals do they? How on earth could they do something quite as draconian as this to benefit frauds and not to burglars? This must be bullshit surely?

              • And I think it mentioned somewhere about confiscating TVs WTF!

            • look at the date on it, it’s 4 years old not what is happening now.

          • Gordon that is 4 years old it isn’t current so why are you trying to say it is, are you a libdum ?

            • …..Barry I know you want tor believe otherwise. I do understand that, as Labour is trash now, but……
              To give you a small flavor of UKIP thinking here are a few lines from current ideas..

              …..UKIP would legislate to ensure the scope of claims which can be heard by tribunals will be greatly reduced. In particular, limits on unfair dismissal and discrimination claims will be re-instated and no unfair dismissals or discrimination claims would be admitted by the Tribunals in respect of employees with less than two years continuous employment……

              ON WORLD WAR ONE ……
              It may be fashionable to knock Haig but from the 9th August 1914 to the 11th November 1918 he led what is arguably the most successful feat of arms in the history of the British Army. It was the Allies who won the Second World War: it was Britain who defeated the Germans in 1918 ………………

              Admittedly…. WW1 is a bit way off from employment laws. But it gives a snapshot of their thinking.
              [... For the record.... It was A FRENCH GENERAL IN CHARGE AT THE AT THE END, (GENERAL FOCHS) NOT A BRITIAN, And the Americans helped greatly....]
              Reason you won’t find Social Security stuff on UKIP website, is as Johnny Void made clear….it is way too toxic.
              The fact is, and any one listening to what UKIP ppl have to say on anything will learn, UKIP has not changed its thinking on Social Security one wee bit. There may well be many things in the Farage Party manifesto from 2010 they no longer accept, but the above gumpff on welfare stands. That is their line of thought. The fact the NEW NAZIS at Westminster are following it all thru almost to the letter, is reason enough for the Farage Party to keep relatively silent on the subject, except to girn its face off about access by Europeans and asylum seeker. And UKIP is very much against asylum seekers!
              .

              • Sucking Iain Duncan Smith’s maggoty bumhole would be preferable to voting for UKIP. I would go underground or run if UKIP got in.

              • Gordon read this slowly it may help you understand There is no current UKIP manifesto the one that will be published will be for the eussr elections and then a different one for the UK elections because they need separate policies, if you can’t understand that then go back to your lib dum club and talk about how good hs2 is going to be how no one can use any power to go green and what is the best way to ignore everything you stand for.

              • UKIP in the words of Nigel Farage “we are not against immigration we welcome those who will add to our society, and those in need from places where their lives are at risk”. So stop with the lies and nonsense you are claiming UKIP stands for and is against, you must be an extreme right winger with all the nonsense you are claiming the most left of centre party of the four main parties stands for.

          • Wage compression
            in the late 1990’s a skilled worker was paid £7.50 for 40 hours
            Overtime was time and a half
            Sundays and bank holidays double time
            Night shift £9.45 an hour night shift time and a half overtime
            Such jobs now are paid at £6.31 per hour no matter how many hours are worked
            Costs for food fuel council tax etc have all increased
            Jobs have disappeared completely
            There has been a massive influx of unqualified foreign labour
            400,000 immigrants from europe have never worked here but are on benefits.

            This is what consecutive labour tory and the coalition governments have done for us the people of the UK UKIP have not introduced the gumph Gordon posted above and have no intention of doing so, it is just a troll posting junk about UKIP although the brussells governed old parties possibly could.

            • Where is your source for the 400,000 immigrants from Europe that are on benefits here?

              Post up your source or we’ll draw our own conclusions. So you’re saying that nearly half a million immigrants are here on benefits and have never worked?

              Well all i can say is i don’t think that’s true.

              • The ONS or Office of National Statistics the governments own statistics department, try looking them up you can find out all sorts of stuff.

                • Link? And tell me where it says there are 400,000 immigrants from Europe who are all claiming benefits and have NEVER worked as you state in your post.

                  Prove me wrong post up the link that shows me those statistics.

            • …The above was from the UKIP 2010 election manifesto.
              It may well be four years old, but the very fact we have a UKIP dude defending the garbage of Michael Gove on World War One, a few weeks ago in itself speaks volumes. The Farage Party has not changed its line on Social Security at all. That is FACT.
              It would be truly a great thing for the people of England, for it is mostly England, if UKIP has indeed changed its stance on Social Security. But as UKIP are stuffed full of ex- tory politicians , Neil Hamilton being perhaps the best known, and UKIP is funded by tory donors into the bargain, I don’t see them changing attitudes to the unemployed or the low paid, or anyone else for that matter.

              I have yet to hear UKIP condemn the Bedroom Tax or Benefits Sanctions, etc. If UKIP has really changed as you would wish to hope for, then why have they not said anything on any of these?
              It is very simple. It doesn’t need to wait any election campaign manifesto. They just come out and say it now, we would oppose this, this and this. If they would oppose Bedroom Tax, Benefits Sanctions, Workfare, etc, then Yes, you would have a point, and something worth voting for, even without the Europe side of things.

              As to writing …as a matter of “keen” interest….well I am a writer, (mostly of poetry), and most of it is very much the truth about what is happening in UK society these days.
              Though I am somewhat amused at being compared to a “troll”. Those who are regulars here will also be amused, greatly!

              As for Westminster political parties…. Hopefully they will become history for me after September!

              • So why are you not complaining about the tory mp for Cannock extolling the virtues of the third reich which is in line with the current coalition and labour policy of albeit macht frei, or do you think that everyone of the old fashioned rightwing policy parties are whiter than white. Clearly you are in favour of our nation becoming a state of a corruption ridden democratically deficient union of soviet socialist republics, run by the capitalists from america.

                • GORDON KEANE

                  ….You are the one who views UKIP as an alternative to the NEW NAZIS REGIME, not me. You are the one who thinks UKIP will help the poor. I am merely pointing out to you UKIP hate the poor more than the NEW NAZIS we have at Westminster at present. You are the one who is refusing to accept that fact.
                  What I posted the other day was taken verbatim from the UKIP manifesto. I was able to get hold of it courtesy of a link put here by Johnny Void.
                  It no longer works. I tried it there for your benefit. But many of us regulars to this blog have downloaded just in time. It was because Boycott Workfare got hold of it and sent it to wavering ppl UKIP pulled it.
                  Even for UKIP this was considered way too toxic and damning.
                  UKIP want old Labour voters. If said voters saw even a few lines of UKIP welfare policies Farage wouldn’t get a single vote from these ppl. Farage knows that very well………
                  FROM WELFARE
                  TO WORKFARE
                  A welfare policy for an
                  independent Britain

                  This was the policy name. And they have not changed. Also…You seem to think anyone pointing out how utterly deranged and the Farage Party are, must be anti-poor, or be voters of the 3 main tory groups.
                  You appear relatively new to the forums in the VOID.
                  The only ppl to be found here who support the NEW NAZIS tend to be those “trolls” you go on about. You know the ones who write in telling us all to get jobs, and life would all brilliant out there, if only we had a little workfare thing, You know?
                  The little paragraph I quoted above regards employment rights and tribunals was taken from UKIP ‘s own website That is still their current thinking. How is that showing concern for anyone?
                  Finally, I am not the only one here to point out to you how evil minded Farage can be when it comes to anyone claiming benefits. Others have done likewise.
                  You do not want to accept that reality. I can only suggest you scroll down the VOID archives to March 3rd 2013
                  We have tried to make it very clear to you. UKIP are like Shoezone,…. They are Slavetraders.
                  ….

                • Gordon Keane you do not have any knowledge regarding UKIP policies you are making things up do you work for the BBC propaganda machine by any chance they make up rubbish and publish as factual as well.

                • GORDON KEANE

                  .Got the date mixed up. It was March 5th. Here is the Johnny Void post you should read.
                  UKIP’s Disappearing Welfare Policy: Claimants are “a parasitic underclass of scroungers”
                  Posted on March 5, 2013 by johnny void
                  …………………
                  So….what you are saying here is that Johnny Void, BoycotWorkfare and all the rest of us are all secret rightwing peeps who want to stop the great left leaning ukip from liberating the peasants from slavery?
                  While ukip (I’ve decided to stop using the caps) have no MPs at Westminster, so we cannot see their voting intentions there, we can see how they conduct themselves in Europe, and we see the xenophobes they hang out with. None of which could be considered anything other than Hitler supporters!
                  It is actually not a fiction but a very real truth, that one ukip councillor did ask if tuna were actual fish that swim in the sea !!! …(Boston Councillor Elizabeth Ransome who famously said “I no [sic] this is probably a stupid question, but is tuna a real fish like ones that swim in the sea?”,…) ..(from AAV )
                  While that may not mean anything politically, (all parties have their idiots we suppose) it does give us an indication of what quality of ppl they have.. But anyone who dares claim that World War One was a great achievement on the part of the British army, does indeed show forth their true political colors, as well as both their stupidity, and total lack of knowledge about that fiasco.
                  If after all of that, and try reading the blog, ANOTHER ANGRY VOICE, from which I have just quoted, February 15th 2014 on ukip, I guess, then there is nothing anyone of us can say, will sway you from thinking the Farage Party an alternative.
                  Fair enough if you are anti Europe, nothing is going to matter then, but to view these landed gentry types and those who would aspire to be so, as caring for the plebs on benefits, or caring for low paid, then you are wasting your time there.

                • I repeat the comment I made to you before, Johny Void is not a member of UKIP as far as I know and he certainly does not make the policies for UKIP and you think that the conlablibdum polcies of throwing the needy unemployed and disabled on the scrap heap increasing tax on the poor and cutting it for the rich, building a pointless train set for the rich, giving away £54000000 to the economic black hole of the eussr and giving up all the last vestiges of democracy is a good thing. As such your pointless rambling posts about things that you would like to attribute to UKIP are just so much fiction, and a poor effort at that.

                  UKIP has said it would scrap the bedroom tax, unlike your conlablibdum party who are all in favour of it, after all it will never affect any of them, just like job centre sanctions won’t or the WCA or the time limited esa, The idea that outsourcing would benefit public services as espoused by the 3 old rightwing parties didn’t work, the answer more outsourcing, and how many of the publicly owned homes that were sold off are still owned by the people who tried to buy them compared with private owners renting them out, you want to talk policies try looking at just what is being proposed by the three european lackie parties.

                • ‘As far as you know’?? Course he’s not a member of Ukip. Shouldn’t that go without saying?

                • No it shouldn’t go without saying I do not know him personally so I do not know if he is a member of ukip or not, so as far as I know he isn’t a member, he may or may not be, but I do know he has absolutely nothing to do with the writing of the UKIP manifesto. Ilike to stick to facts not fiction.

                • GORDON KEANE

                  …..Gosh !! For the very last time, for we are going round and round in circles with this, but …. Johnny Void has merely pointed out what the Farage ukip party had to say about the poor, and those on benefits. I have given you the lead to that actual article, if not the document itself. The name of which I have given.

                  How is it a fiction to tell you what they wrote in their welfare document? They – ukip wrote this garbage not us. People here are simply telling the world what they put in their manifesto. You refuse point blank to believe that. Nothing more we say (by we, I mean myself and others posting here Johnny Void’s Blog) is going to change your mind. You will change you position soon enough. But for now there is nothing more to add to this little discussion. Until you see them say something in a new document, or hear one of them say something in public, you are set in your ways. I guess that is how it is.
                  There is no point adding more. All that needs to be said has been said.

                • Gordon you are the one posting what you claim are facts when the truth is you have no more idea of what the UKIP manifesto will say than anyone else on here, I do however know that most of what you are saying is just anti UKIP propaganda.

        • I’s all very well to not vote at all but how does anything change that way? Saying they are all as bad as each other isn’t really helping; I’ve voted for both parties in the past and needless to say I regret it but you have to put stock in something therefore this time round I’ll try UKIP. Both Labour and Tory encourage Workfare so possibly UKIP won’t be any different on that score but they will be different in ensuring the UK doesn’t curtail to EU overlords. They’ve also promised top job’s priority to the indigenous; something that for me personally is a vote winner. I wouldn’t consider myself a racist in any shape or form but this country is fit to bursting/breaking point therefore we need to get our own house in order first.

          • ….The main reason Europe appears not to work for ppl here is that we have the most obstructive government, who have opposed practically everything of real worth to come from Europe. As has been pointed out heer by many others, things like Human Rights laws, etc, are there to protect us, but that successive Westminster governments have done their damndest to undermine it.
            All Westminster cares about is London City bankers, and their pals in the private finance world, which unfortunately happens also to be an awful lot of the MPs themselves, especially when it comes to private medical companies. Hence the mad rush by MPs of all the main parties to get private care into NHS, and so on. That is not Europe’s fault. These MPs and the like are set against Europe as they see it holding back their own agenda of enslaving the ppl, with things like workfare, low wages, no benefits, etc. They then blame Euro rules for lack of jobs.
            We have lack of jobs because entire industries were closed down, and the works sent to other countries that paid peanuts, if even that, so the bosses of these companies could make lots more money. Europe had nothing to do with that. How comes it, France, Italy Germany, etc, still have huge shipyards? Still have steel mills, car industries, rail road industries (by which I mean still they build their own trains) and a whole host of other things besides?
            European Union may well have its problems, I accept that, but most of the what we see here in UK today has little to do with Europe, and everything to do with the extreme right wing ideologies of the current group of Westminster politicians, in bed with the bankers, be it Milliband or Cameron or Clegg.. But a vote for Farage isn’t going to help you at all.
            As to voting…you could try Green, but there are other s out there.

            • The main reason europe does not work is that it is an empire which the ruling class imposed on to the people who never wanted it, and like all empires it is doomed to failure from the outset.

              The euro has been an unmitigated disaster for the pigs nations who could have revered by now with their own currencies without being told what to do by an unelected body.

              There is nothing or real worth ever to come from Brussells, it is always lowest common denominator one size fits all fits no one edicts from the unelected commission.

              Human rights laws are overturned by unelected Judges with no compunction. Unfortunately we are only in it because the London Bankers pay for lab con libdum and some not all of them want us in it, as they see flooding the market with workers as being a positive for them as it drives down the wages of the workers, other London Bankers see it for what it is and realise they would actually be better off out, the CBI is beginning to take that view as well.

              The Privatisation of the NHS is directly down to political dogma from the eussr, and the recently signed TTIP with America will hasten that procedure along at an even faster pace.

              The eussr is enslaving people, and a large part of why the government is having to “save” money by destroying the lives of those most needy is because of paying out a net contribution of £54000000 a day to the economic black hole of the eussr.

              Our lack of jobs came about when we were dumped into what we were told was a common market, and since then our industrial base has been decimated to a shadow of its former self, add to that the unfettered immigration from failing euro economies and you have an ever increasing amount of unemployment only hidden by the policies of consecutive government to cut benefits and leave people to die.

              The reason that there are still a much reduced amount of shipyards in the other nations is because they haven’t allowed them to go although they are all minuscule compared to what they once were because most ships are built in eastern nations, eussr regulations have made it unprofitable to build in europe.

              You could just vote for same old same old, or even more control by unelected people in brussells by voting green, whitch would destroy the rest of our industry, or you can vote to ensure we have a sustainable democratic nation by voting UKIP. If you truly believe in democracy you should ask who governs, who put them there, why are they there, and how do we get rid of them? Barosso, Van Rumpy, all of the commission? The eussr parliament is for show it has no real role other than to give the impression of democracy.

      • The document was on their website until last year, when it came under heavy criticism and promptly disappeared.

        “From Welfare to Workfare
        A Welfare Policy for an Independent Britain
        A Policy Statement
        January 2010

        The UK’s current welfare system is ridiculously complicated and requires an army of bureaucrats to administer. There are more than 70 separate benefits, each requiring masses of forms and helping to entrench dependency. UKIP’s proposals will humanise the system and help people to help themselves out of the poverty trap. UKIP will:

        · Roll the mass of existing benefits into simpler categories, while ensuring every UK citizen receives a simple, non-means tested ‘Basic Cash Benefit’ (BCB)

        · Roll key benefits – such as Jobseeker’s Allowance, Incapacity Benefit and Student Maintenance Grant – into a single, flat-rate BCB set at the same weekly rate as Jobseeker’s Allowance or Income Support. For students, the BCB will be termed ‘Student Vouchers’ or ‘Training Vouchers’

        · Allow part-time and temporary workers to continue claiming BCB until their wages reach UKIP’s proposed £11,500 personal allowance so they can take jobs without being heavily
        penalised by the system

        · Merge Child Benefit, the Child Trust Fund, Child Tax Credits and the Education Maintenance Allowance into an enhanced Child Benefit, payable for each of the first three children in a family

        · Merge Early Years’ Funding, Sure Start, the childcare element of Working Tax Credit and the tax relief on Employer Nursery Vouchers into a flat-rate, non-means tested ‘Nursery Voucher’ to cover approximately half the cost of a full-time nursery place

        · Ensure British benefits are only available to UK citizens or those who have lived here for at least five years. Currently, British benefits can be claimed by EU citizens in their arrival year

        · Require those on benefits – starting with Housing and Council Tax Benefit recipients in private rented homes – to take part in council-run local community projects called ‘Workfare’ schemes. The schemes will be in addition to council jobs”

        • It is well documented that that manifesto has been scrapped so it is of no relevance.

          • The relevance in this document is that this is how UKIP still view anyone on benefits. This attitude to social housing is appalling. None of UKIP’s ideas on any of this has changed.
            Also, it will be noted we don’t actually need UKP here regards to Social Security….IDS and Gideon Osborne have been quite busy putting it all into effect these past few years. Clearly, IDS and Co. have studied the UKIP trash very well.
            No wonder Farage needs another manifesto !

            • Strange that I would be getting benefits if it wasn’t for the labour and coalition policy to let the poor needy incapacitated and disabled starve to death, UKIP want to alter that and get away from the albeit macht frei policy, and by leaving the eussr the country will be able to afford to.

    • Have your read UKIP’s policies for dealing with unemployment/workfare etc.? Just the same as condemlab.

      • Well you haven’t because they haven’t been made public.

        • Barry, if none of the manifestos posted in this thread are current and the new UKIP manifesto hasn’t been made public, how can you be so sure that a new UKIP manifesto would be to the benefit of anyone claiming benefits?

          Or are you just desperately hoping that UKIP will have a nice, kind to the poor manifesto? How likely is that to happen?

          • UKIP want to use the money currently being wasted on the eussr, something the conlablibdum wants to continue doing on British people especially the ones suffering the most under the current arbeitmachtfrei policies. that is the difference between a centre left party and the three old right wing ones.

            • Barry, the people suffering significantly in this current ideological political climate are the very people for whom membership of the EU and signatory status to the EUCHR act are very important. We have so few rights in this country to protect us as individuals. I can’t see us gaining more if we get out of the EU. Already Cameron and chums are making moves to remove this country from some of the important processes that the EU provides us with.

              UKIP have made it very clear how they feel about those who are surviving on benefits. I cannot see them doing anything but further harm to individuals at the bottom of the economic dung heap. Their right wing, libertarian responses come to the fore when the poor are discussed.

              • Lucy the euchr is far to expensive for the people being denied the help they desperately need to live, it is no use for us whatsoever, and as is self evident to the people who didn’t believe the crap on benefit street, the conlablibdum policies are in line with the 1930’3 ones in Germany where the disabled incapacitated and unemployed were castigated as being untermensch and were to blame for all the ills in Germany before they started on the jews the “for hardworking people” mantra may just as well be stuff the needy because it means the same. UKIP do not subscribe to the current “lets sanction everyone we can, lets say everyone can, and should, be at work” ideation at all, they have not done why you claim they have just because you believe the nonsense in the media from europhile reporters.

                • barry
                  it’s bad enough being in a big european “room” with a ukip supporter, let alone the thought of being in a small “room” with one…i love europe, and being a european…i grant you it does cost too much, or the combination of all the costs of being ruled, many, many, times…get rid of the british parliamentary system et al, that would reduce costs enormously…

                • Overburdoneddonkey I am not a european I am British, this is a blog not a big european room, where is this country called europe anyway, there is a difference between a nation and a supranational committee that doesn’t even comprise of every nation on the area of the globe nominally named europe, ergo no such thing as a european.

                  The democratically deficient eussr governance costs far more than Westminster, just remind me when do we get to vote on our rulers the commission or the president no one in the populace voted for barrosso and his stooges or rumply did they?

                • barry
                  i’m not responsible for the barriers you erect…

                • Overburdoneddonkey I’m not asking you to be responsible for anything that I do, I take responsibility for my own actions. I did not erect the barriers, I did not set the tariffs, I did not make the laws which the echr is supposed to employ.

                • barry
                  i’m sorry that you don’t get what i mean, but right now i’m not in a position to explain it…i do not wish to leave europe….and i certainly have no regard for being “british”, unfortunately we have no control over where we are born…britishness disappeared decades ago…and cannot be resurrected….imv…it’s goned for ever…

                • Overburdoneddonkey you do realise that the euchre is not part of the eussr don’t you. They do make up laws based on the edicts from the unelected commission of the corruption ridden democratically deficient eussr though.

                • barry
                  my final say to your posts unless you have any thing to add on how we get rid of corruption in politics, which as we all know is endemic…is that i have been alive long enough to know my own mind and i’m not interested in turning over grains of sand…i know the root cause of all corruption and have posted on it, regurgitating info, is not my thing..words on paper are m/t, only actions count…human rights will only be delivered through the acknowledgement and restoration of our unequivocal natural rights to the vitals of life…once that is done, politics can take a long walk off a short pier imo…

                • Well as you seem to think sticking your fingers in your ears closing your eyes and going lah lah la lah lah is the answer, rather than exiting the corruption ridden democratically deficient eussr, which would remove us from a huge amount of corruption in government there is nothing it seems can entice thou to participate in anything that would benefit your nation and thereby yourself whatsoever, you just go lie down and leave it to us the people who care.

  10. Reblogged this on Beastrabban’s Weblog.

  11. Reblogged this on Still Oaks.

  12. Ha ha fucking ha to the DWP. You bastards are in meltdown over your bollocked-up fiasco over the Work Programme. Let’s see how you wriggle your way out of this one now.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/14/dwp-meltdown-welfare-projects-margaret-hodge

  13. Greedy grasping bastards. Many young people have much to offer an td good qualifications. Could likely do a better job than the fat morons already working there. At the very least they should receive minimum wage. Firms like this can be stopped. No one buy anything from them online inshop for six months. Before any one states the obvious it also warns those kidding it over the youngsters theyll be in slave line shortly through redundancy. Shut everyone of these exploiters down. No pay no workers. Simple.

  14. Imagine on a friday night that all your work colleges are going to the pub for a pint or two/glass of wine and you can’t go cause you’ve got NO FUCKING WAGES to join in the fun!!!!. Come Monday, they’re all chilled out after a nice week-end and there you are again, another slog, another week with nothing to show for it. No new clothes, no monies for clubbing, can’t by your preferred aftershave/perfume, can’t go on holiday, can’t save for that car you have always wanted, the list is endless. Breaks my heart just thinking about it.

    • bernadette
      even in the days of yops and yts we feared for our jobs because of their presence within the workforce, thin end and wedge came to mind…

      • Iain Duncan Smith MP

        Quite an experience to live in fear, isn’t it? :-) That’s what is is to be a slave: :-)

        Ho, ho, ho :-)

        We are working for you

        The Right Hon. Iain Duncan Smith MP, Secretary of State for the Department of Work and Pensions

        • iain
          much better to live in fear and to know it’s cause, than to live in fear and deny one does..and then inflict that denial on to others, and to hope in vain that others will not notice, we do…

  15. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    I’M QUITE SURPRISED THAT OUR CONDEMN GOVERNMENT HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF FORCING CLAIMANTS UNDERGOING SANCTIONS, TO WEAR A PAIR OF SHOEZONE’S PRODUCTS……………………..

    BEING SHODDY AND MADE IN SWEAT SHOPS GIVES THESE BASTARDS TWO BITES OF THE CHERRY, FIRST THEY FLEECE THE POOR FUCKERS MAKING THEM AND THEN THEY WANT TO MARKET THEM FOR FUCK ALL…………

    SHOEZONE IS NOT A PARTICULAR MERCHANT OF CHOICE AS MOST PEOPLE LEAVING THE STORE SEEM TO BE LIMPING OR IN DOWNRIGHT AGONY.

    LETS BE HONEST, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE IN DIRE STRAITS TO SHOP IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    I AM DISABLED AND RECEIVING £32 POUND A WEEK TO LIVE ON SINCE ATOS FOUND ME TO HAVE BEEN LYING FOR THE LAST FOURTEEN YEARS……….

    THAT ASIDE, I WOULD NOT LET THESE CUNT’S MEASURE ME UP FOR A PAIR OF IAN DURY’S CALIPERS, LET ALONE A PAIR OF SHOES.

    IF YOU WANT YOUR KID TO BE PICKED ON AND SPAT AT IN THE PLAYGROUND, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO VENTURE INSIDE AND HAVE YOUR DAISY ROOTS CUSTOM FITTED BY CROSS EYED LIL.

    ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN, NOW THEY ARE USING SLAVE LABOUR, THE THOUGHT WILL BE INDELIBLE AND I WILL ALWAYS LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR FOOTWEAR, TELLING OTHERS TO DO THE SAME!

    I HOPE SHOE SALES PLUMMET AND THIS CHAIN OF MISCREANTS COME TO KNOW THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.
    THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN MY WORLD, THOSE WHO TAKE FROM THE POOREST ARE NOTHING BUT SCUM………….

    THE PAY IN THESE SHOPS IS ALREADY CRAP AS IT IS.

    “REMEMBER THE PAIN YOU FEEL WHEN TAKING OFF AN ILL FITTING PAIR OF SHOES?”

    “IT WILL BE NOTHING TO THE PAIN THE SLAVES ARE SUFFERING IN YOUR SHOPS, WORKING FOR FUCK ALL”

    WILLIAM WILBERFORCE THOUGHT HE HAD GOT RID OF YOU BASTARDS GENERATIONS BACK………………..

    • still surviving... just

      Don’t know you can survive on that Geoff…I have been surviving, if you can call it that on £43 a week ‘hardship’ for almost six months too…and at death’s door…I keep falling over in the street and have already been in A&E twice because I am so weak. I feel that the evil DWP have greatly shortened my life expectancy.

    • I am surviving on nothing each week. My JSA is given to me in one hand and is taken away from the other hand in rent payments. I can’t afford to buy what the Condemns call as ‘luxuries’ any more. Scrimping and saving up money for a rare treat is no longer possible. And they say that £71 a week is deemed what I can live on. Condemnable cunts.

      I would like to be employed again, but I never hear one response from ANY job application I put in. I’m damned if I do and damned if I dont.

  16. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    CANNOT SEE THIS EVER HAPPENING…………

    The public accounts committee report turns up the pressure on ministers to allow all government contracts to be subject to freedom of information (FOI) laws and examined by the National Audit Office (NAO).

    EVERYTHING THIS GOVERNMENT DOES IS KEPT UNDER WRAPS BECAUSE EVERYTHING IT DOES IS TOTALLY CORRUPT.

    REMEMBER ATOS?

    I AM SURE THE FAMILIES OF THOSE WHO DIED, AND ARE GOING TO DIE, WILL NEVER FORGET…………………..

    THAT IS WHY THE DWP ARE SO ADAMANT THE CONTENTS OF THE CONTRACT ARE KEPT FROM PUBLIC SCRUTINY, FOR FEAR THEIR MURDEROUS INTENTIONS ARE UNEARTHED…………….

    • geoff
      atos who are they? it’s brand new, nip claim in the bud, disability denial at outset OH now..NHS relogo, to HCNAFC (Health Care Not A F….g Chance) now….

      • Actually Atos have had an Occupational health part of the business for a long time they actually do the occy health for the prison service and the nhs, believe it, or no,t they were actually supporting my claim against the benefit side of atos, they said I couldn’t work, the benefit side said I could, what was the difference, with the occy health side I had a full medical taking over 2 hours and several tests were used, this was a real Doctor examining me, the benefit side had a nurse sitting behind a computer with a badly designed idiot sheet.

        • barry
          yes, i know but they are switching to concentrate more on OH now…the actual med dispute is between the gp/nhs and the dwp…i do wish that they would get on sort it out so as to leave us sick and disabled alone….

  17. Time to stick the boot in!!!!!!!!

  18. A rock or something was thrown through a window at Aylesbury jobcentre yesterday,police car outside and a manager on the phone continuously outside.

    ian duncan smith,lord freud blatant abuse of people the law.

    • GEOFF REYNOLDS

      ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN KEN, THE FIRST ONE TO DIE WILL GET MORE MEDIA COVERAGE THAN THE THOUSANDS THAT HAVE DIED AT THE HANDS OF THE DWP………….

    • something survived...

      Excellent.
      The only flaw in the plan? That the rock wasn’t coated in toxic diarrhoea first.

  19. I love how they talk (Shoezone) about this being great for gaining experience!! Have you ever read such a pile of tripe in your life? What experience do you need to work in a shop doing what they’re proposing these people that join them do? You don’t need any experience to do that job and you can learn it in a few days.

    Then they have the cheek to talk about their “apprenticeship scheme (scam). Everyone with half a brain cell knows this apprenticeship scam for what it is, a way once again to get a slave cheap workforce. Number one, an apprenticeship is a trade, a skill that you spend 5 years or so learning and crafting. Like an electrician, bricklayer, joiner, plumber. That’s what an apprenticeship is not learning to work a till or stack a store room with shoes.

    OMG i shudder at what this country has become. An apprentice shop assistant!!! The mind boggles.

    And yes it’s the governments fault, but don’t forget if firms refused to take part in the criminal scam then it would quickly fall apart. No the truth is they see a quick opportunity to get free labor and they’re desperate to get their dirty snouts in the trough for everything they can get.

  20. Overburdenddonkey,
    I remember yops and yts although was not part of the workforce at the time.
    If you say, that paid workers at this time, feared for their jobs, then this must be the same today. I just cannot understand why governments upon governments cannot the truth, i.e there are not enough jobs to go around?

    • If you remember YOPS and the YTS, then you’ll remember the Community Programme, which was for 18 to 23-year-olds. I was on it for twelve months between February 85 t0 February 86.

    • YTS was a scam for me. I was working a 40hr per week job placement for nothing (back in 1990-1993) and got a meagre £31.50 YTS allowance per week – all of it went on rent payments. Nothing much has changed in 2014 for me. I’m still being screwed over, this time through the WP.

    • totallygivenup

      bernadette i remeber being on a yop in the 80,s and yes the staff saw me as a threat i was given the shit jobs but many of the least qualified staff did the shit jobs and they treated me with disane,one more point on a yop you recieved 10 pound a week more than the dole,workfare is a divisive way of pitting poor against poorer

  21. I’ve just looked on What do they know, and a Miss Fernandes has just been given a 6 week mandatory activity by the Jobcentre. I thought, currently, they were only supposed to be 4 weeks, and no more.

    And while I’m at it, does anyone know if this 6 month Workfare is coming or not? My JCP adviser told me that initially it may only be people who have just come off the WP from April onwards who will be put on to it.

    Anyone heard anything from their JCP/WP advisers?

    • granpa
      they’ll be teaching people to pray to the jobs fairy, and yogic jobs chanting next, hold that thought, they already are…

    • @ Grandpa Willy – I asked the jcp advisor about it when I was signing ie “Do you know what is going to happen come April 1st, re the different “options””, (as I came off the WP around August last year). She said, “We haven’t been informed about anything like that, and you know we always keep you informed well in advance if that is the case; don’t believe everything you hear about in the media.” That set my mind at rest that nothing is necessarily “coming soon” for us all.

    • As far as I know myself, I was told that MWA is only for a maximum of four weeks, and that referral to the fucked-up work programme follows within 6 months of the end of the MWA placement. Different areas of the country and possibly different WPP’s may recommend anything between 4 and 6 weeks of MWA, and then the initial start date of the WP.

      For me, I was on MWA (four weeks) in Feb 2012 through Seetec, and then after this had finished was put on daily signing for two months, followed by pre- work programme jcp interviews and then in July 2012 bunged onto the mis-work programme.

      Not long now though when I will tell the truth to my JCP advisor (rotten cow) about how the WP fucked me over with CV interference, a lack of confidence in my job seeking abilities and trying to shove me into zero hour work. Complete cluster fuck of what I have gone through for more than two years now.

      As for the CWA, they can sod off as I will insist on daily signing again, and not be expected to work for JSA. I will onyl work voluntary on my terms and not for Idi Amin Dada Smith who has never done a day’s work in his life. Has he ever got his hands dirty in manual un-paid work like myself – such as back-breaking vegetation clearance work on a disused railway line for a heritage railway every weekend? the fuck he hasn’t! Fucking lazy cunt he is.

  22. Ah traineeships what a joke: Training for Training when training should just be training as part of a full wage job.

    I’m betting the next scheme to be announced will be Preparationships which will be 6 months – 1 year unpaid labour that the poor victim will end up paying for as a deduction from their benefits (so paying for the privilege of unpaid work) which will then be claimed to prepare young people for traineeships which are used to claim they prepare them for an apprenticeship which are used to prepare them for a real paid job (which are thriving just as well as a Dodo these days.)

    Therefore give it time for this to become the norm: Paying for the privileged of training to be trained unpaid to be trained at an exploitative wage to maybe get one of those mythical things called a full time paying job.

  23. Shoezone = Slavezone.

  24. So let me get this straight.
    Not only do we have a massive influx of dodgy “apprenticeships” for MINIMUM WAGE JOBS as a means to circumvent the national min wage by paying a pittance in return for “training”… we now have “traineeships” that come BEFORE apprenticeships that involve you doing the same bollocks for free?!

    This is no insult to real apprenticeships. Skilled work like carpentry and the like is absolutely worth having an apprenticeship for – on the basis that you need an extended period of training, like a full year, in order to get to grips with the complex nature of the job and in return for the promise of skills and qualifications that will allow you to get a higher-paying job at the end of it.

    But now we’re going to see people wasting 18 months of their life taking an UNPAID traineeship in retail work followed by an apprenticeship in the same (and what exactly will you learn in the apprenticeship that is more complicated than the traineeship?) in return for… maybe but probably not getting a minimum wage job.

    At least that’s what it sounds like based on “According to the DWP these schemes, which can involve up to six months of unpaid work, are to ‘prepare’ people for becoming Apprentices, at below the minimum wage.”

    • You’ve got it exactly right Bunny. They are now trying to screw people by saying apprenticeships can be things like; learning to work a till and stock a room with shoes. Or be an apprentice admin assistant where you learn how to p/copy a document. No joke i’ve seen them advertise those admin jobs as apprenticeships too. The whole thing is a depressing gigantic con trick.

      Now we have trainee-ships to train and prepare someone to be an apprentice. LOL!

      • Another Fine Mess

        I’ve actually seen NMW jobs disappear, and then exactly the same cut and paste reappear, but now with ‘Apprentice’ stuck on the front and the wage dropped to £100 pw. It’s how they’re ‘creating’ apprenticeships.

        • Shocking it really is. Nice to see the shoe place getting a thorough rollicking on their twitter page while trying to squirm off the hook with excuses.

          These people need to learn their business name will become toxic if they associate with Workfare. They can try to hide it, but when their own employee’s let the cat out of the bag, then that’s it.

          Let it be our watchword that we will expose them wherever we find them. Not only are they taking advantage of the poorest and weakest in society they are also undermining the possibility of someone getting an actual paid job.

          • raining
            a lot of money is being wasted on schools/education, if they can do in a few weeks, what schools have not managed to do over many years!

            • A lot of money is being wasted on the slap-headed berk running the DWP. Let’s vote for his sacking and the money will then be there for job creation.

              • fen
                they could close the lot down, and we’d all probably live well on £20/wk …and have much less illness etc…

                • Too much internal corruption and money laundering fraud abounds within the walls of government and DWP. Things will never change and ultimately stay the same whomever walks the corridors of power.

                  Corruption, greed, power, fraud, expenses fiddling is a way of life for the monkeys in charge. No wonder there is an endless supply of people wanting to become an MP. Not to better their voters, but to simply fiddle the state for their own gains.

    • Costa were advertising for “Apprenticeship coffee servers” the other week…

      It’s all intentionally designed to normalise unpaid (slave or slave-like) or underpaid labour. The spread of unpaid labour is worldwide and the elites are working hard to make it a cultural norm.

      Studio schools will be the next big thing to brainwash young kids into thinking unpaid child labour is a good normal thing. They’ve grown rather large under the radar over the past few years and being hailed as success compared to academies and free schools. Soon, as schools were changed to academies, they’ll be changed into studio schools.

  25. Rosemarie Harris

    What we could do is get ourselfs already set up by organising a voluntary placement for ourselfs in a place where WE want to go! When the time is right, this way the ‘Bloodsuckers for money’ wouldn’t get us,we would be doing it ourself’s .. At least we would have a choice.

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  27. my name is [my] name...

    Your unpaid workers are so poor, when i saw one hobbling down the street with one shoe, I hollered- ” lost a shoe”, and they said-” Nope…just found one…”

  28. Michael Gove criticises ‘ridiculous’ number of PM’s Etonians

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26587418

    It’s not what you know, it’s who you know that gets you a cushy job. Lazy etonian tossers born with a silver spoon up their jacksies and no real concept of life outside of Westminster. Sack the lot of these lazy fucktards.

    • We should all become parliamentarians and vote for how the country is to be run via the internet – Get rid of politicians, advisers, researchers, secretaries and all of the political class.
      We should vote who and where taxes are to be spent and who gets the contracts for public sector jobs that need doing, not given to mp’s wives or councillors to mess up.

    • Fen Tiger, ‘its not what you know or who you know’, its what you know about who you know!!!!

  29. From: Georgina Smith

    13 March 2014

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

    Can you tell me the number of allegedly sick and disabled ESA
    claimants who, after having been found fit for work via a HCPs
    report made after a WCA, were subsequently prosecuted by the DWP
    for making a fraudulent claim?

    Rather than go back indefinitely, could you provide the figures for
    the period 2012 to 2013? To make it easier and less costly for you,
    please feel free to use figures from a set period you already use –
    for example, if you normally would keep figures from April to April
    based on the tax year. Likewise, if Scotland and/or Wales fall
    outside data collection and retention for the purpose of this
    query, I would still like the information for England – although
    the whole of the UK would be preferable, if you have that
    information.

    Furthermore, if there were few or no prosecutions of said
    claimants, could you explain why this is? I ask because when I
    completed an ESA50 I was warned:

    “I understand that if I knowingly give information that is
    incorrect or incomplete, I may be liable to prosecution or other
    action.”

    I had to sign the document to declare that the information I
    provided was true – like an affidavit. It was my sworn testimony,
    if you like.

    I provided information that, on face value and in line with the
    DWP’s regulations, would have placed me in the WRAG (or Support
    Group if my GP’s information had been taken into account), yet I
    was found fit for work. And this happens to thousands of people
    every year. So, as far as the DWP are concerned, I, and thousands
    of other claimants, must have given incorrect or incomplete
    information.

    I know I wasn’t prosecuted, but I would like to know how many other
    people have been prosecuted under these circumstances?

    Yours faithfully,

    Georgina Smith

    Link to this
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/number_of_esa_claimants_prosecut#incoming-492925

  30. Landless Peasant

    I’ve just sent Shoe Zone Ltd a polite but disagreeable email message.

    info@shoezone.com

  31. All these companies are scum plain and simple. Have you all been on the Boycott Workfare site? If not go over there and look at workfare providers and hit the link to take you to all the scum suckers trying to drain people of their souls.

  32. Right, question: are TESCO paying their workfare employee’s? Because they say they’re planning on taking 3,000 of them on.

    I think we should be told and i sincerely hope they are going to pay their staff.

  33. If people could get proper jobs at a reasonable wage, I don’t think most of us here would mind, what we object to is being used as slave labour for what should be ours by right.

  34. When I signed at the jobcentre the other day my new advisor, a young guy suggested volunteering to give my CV some recent work activity. They all suggest volunteering and they all deep down know full well that volunteering only gets a very small number of people into work. He even wanted me to take off my earliest work experience and the dates of any qualifications on my CV so that an employer wouldn’t know my age(not far from 60). I’v completed quite a few work placements of five weeks at a time and they never got me any interviews for jobs. In fact I usually ended up replacing someone who had just completed five weeks and the providers had someone ready to replace me after my stint. These jobcentres must be aware of the crap they spout regarding volunteering but we have to take it withour replying offensively in case we are sanctioned or accused of using aggressive language.

  35. Has anyone seen Bob Chewie about?
    I hope he is ok and he hasn’t been sent to Shoezone for MWA

    • The above comment ^ was supposed to be at the bottom of the page. It doesn’t relate to anything up here (or down there)

  36. Is anyone else here having intermittent trouble getting onto this blog? This is the first time I have managed it after trying for about twelve times today.

  37. Budget next week. I’m interested in hearing about the post Work Programme unending Help to Work scheme.

  38. I went on Shoezone’s Facebook page and was horrified to see comments from someone on workfare defending it, saying how much he was getting out of this golden opportunity, and attacking critics of workfare for telling him his efforts were all wrong. (I replied that it wasn’t his efforts we thought wrong, but the fact that he wasn’t getting paid for them.)

    It’s possible this person was just a Shoezone stooge, but what I fear is that workfare victims may be falling for the story that they’re being done a favour by being given ‘experience’ or ‘training’, or being acclimatized to working life (minus, of course, that part of it that involves a pay packet at the end of the week/month). If this is so, workfare is not just oppressing people materially, but destroying their self-confidence as they come to assume that they can’t possibly be worthy of the dignity of a wage until such time as an employer decides they are — and when’s that going to happen?

    We must attack this mythology as vigorously as we fight the hardship and injustice of the practice itself.

    • @ Katherine – maybe he was given a free pair of shoes for saying it! Plus perhaps some shoe polish, a pair of genuine leather half-insoles and a plastic shoe-horn.

    • Of course they are. The governments (as it is world wide not just unique to the UK) are trying to enforce a cultural norm of unpaid labour. The easiest way is to destroy young peoples confidence or to teach them, while at school age and just after, that working for free for months, (eventually will be years) is perfectly acceptable and not only that, the morally correct thing to do. It is a dystopian nightmare becoming reality in front of our very eyes.

      The job market is in decline as western-styled societies are in decline, therefore shortage of jobs. As someone who is only 25, I have had to put up with the elitist mass media basically telling me and others like me: (i.e. those not born with silver spoons) I am thick, stupid and everything I’ve worked hard for is useless. I’ll never be as good as those who went to fee paying schools as we are all broken aside the chosen few they pick to hail as their rags to riches stories on glossy websites/leaflets. Then they say it is only the future generations they can save as we are all defective rubbish. (Until they grow up to be told the same.)

      Now the effect of ‘the young are stupid discourse’ on those not academically capable is very destructive for their self-esteem. I’ve seen it at those rubbish CV-writing courses, they’ve all been brainwashed into thinking they are at fault, they can’t get a job, not because the system is corrupt mess but because they are broken and need fixing. Experience of failure because the education system does not allow them to thrive at what they are good at and constant rejection while those in comfy positions scream to the heavens at how thick the youth of today are. Therefore the conditions have been created for young people to feel a sense of desperation and need to seek out help. In comes the exploitive ones, not with sticks and whips of yesteryear but with sunshine and smilies, claiming they are here to help them, to support them, they only want what’s best for them. The young person lacking self-confidence sees the happy rainbows and cheery grins, they think finally someone who can help me, so they get suckered in thinking it is ultimately good for them.

      It works and functions exactly like an exploitive cult:

      First, destroy the subject’s sense of self-worth if not damaged first (You’re thick and cannot even comprehend those complex shelf-stacking skills.)

      Then come in claim to be a saviour. (We offer our services at our own expense to cure you, soon you’ll be able to do that complex skill: stacking shelves).

      Tell the subject they’ll be saved if they agree to being a servant/follower of the cult. (Though we are being kind and generous of our own good free will, in order to save you, we must get some payment in return. In order for us to save you, you must work for us for free, it’s entirely for your own benefit, we don’t have to do this, you know, so don’t reject it, don’t be a job snob.)

      Cult leader points out the heretics, doomed to deepest depths of hell, to the subject. (See those other young people moaning the state of the system, there’s nothing wrong with the system, they are just too lazy and think they are entitled to an automatic £250000 salary job, while you, you’re someone who wants to prove you’re a hard-worker who’ll just get on with it. You seem so good, while they are bad, you don’t want to be like them now do you?)

      Subject joins and works for the cult, they either realise the truth and plan an escape or the subject becomes a feverish follower of the cult. (Feverish follower: See I did the placement, it was fun and I learned a lot, I would never get anywhere if it weren’t for the kindness of shoezone, they have all my love and appreciation for helping me. You should do it too, it is the morally right thing to do, you don’t want to be a lazy and entitled scrounger now, do you?)

  39. Shoezone = Slavezone. By the way Jonney, I think MI5 are fucking about with your site.

  40. Read what IDS wrote to the son of one of those people killed in the name of welfare savings.
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tory-hatchet-man-iain-duncan-1453863

  41. my name is [my] name...

    apprenticeship: Latin- ‘apprehendere: to apprehend: to take into custody.
    ship-‘ mind
    apprenticeship: to take custody of the mind

  42. “George Osborne, David Cameron, and their London mayor mate, Bo-Jo may welcome this influx of dirty money, as far as I can tell, the Tories are very relaxed about the sources of criminal cash being deposited in the City, but it does no exonerate banks from ensuring the full implementation of the regulations demanding full due diligence on the sources and provenance of the funds being deposited, and the nature and quality of any PEPs seeking client status.”

    http://rowans-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/financial-conduct-authority-fails-yet.html

  43. Keep on Signing

    When the jobcentre tries to grind you down
    To put you in a state of mind that you will just sign-off
    Remember to just keep on signing… :-)
    Keep on signing… :-)
    Cos its the only thing to do
    Just keep on signing… :-)
    Keep on signing… :-)

  44. something survived...

    UKIP policy: Workfare: [Amended and Annotated version!]
    sweeping streets, gardening, assisting in pre- or after school clubs [see below], providing extra tuition for failing pupils [if we're as you claim illiterate paedophiles?], ‘care’ [sic] for the elderly and disabled. [We are disabled too, you moronic twat!] Workfare fucks up self-esteem. Workfare jobs will be a useful springboard into death pits, to be dug by unemployed people themselves. UKIP accepts that UKIP are less attractive than a Doberman’s arsehole. “it is better for people to be doing something rather than becoming completely inactive” [Assumes we are inactive.] Under UKIP’s local government proposals, we will introduce a postcode lottery so it’ll depend on where you live, how much money is spent on people and projects. Among the jobs that will be covered by the Workfare scheme will be caring for the elderly and disabled, so if a person requires more hours care than close relatives can be expected to provide they will be able to apply to the local council for additional practical help. [yes and lots of US have those needs, that usually go unmet. Completely mad idea - you can't force DBS checks, and without DBS checks/or even with DBS checks - criminals like thieves, rapists, abusers and drug addicts will get through. Nothing on the quality of the 'care'. So in other words if you are sick or disabled, don't tell anyone, as if you do, when you are at the top of the queue, you'll be sent possibly a random yob to strip/rob/insult you...including if you yourself are subject to being sent on this as workfare.]

    Additional small scale local public projects – low skilled
    Litter patrols; Cleaning up graffiti; Snow removal on pavements in harsh weather [and who pays our healthcare if we get a cold/flu, frostbite, hypothermia, fall on the ice and break a bone? if we break leg/hip do you expect us to drag ourselves out on snow to continue digging snow? if we do our back in?]; Maintenance of parks and gardens [power tools, chainsaws, chemicals, climbing, dogshit, needles, condoms?], street furniture, railway stations, bus stops, schools, hospitals and social housing;
    [so we should fix vandalism and graffiti we didn't do, for no money, though it's a skilled job?]
    Directing car parking on days when sports/concerts/other large events are in town [epilepsy and fall under a car?]; Running soup kitchens for the homeless [under your scheme, stopping our HB makes US homeless!]; Packing “goody boxes” for troops stationed overseas [and if we don't AGREE with the military/the war?]; Delivering leaflets for the council, such as council newspapers or info scheme leaflets [attack by dogs? paid staff get insurance and danger money]
    1.2. Additional small scale local public projects – semi-skilled and skilled
    Extra tuition in the Three R’s [now you ARE idiots. You already said we were all inactive thick illiterate layabouts with no skills! Gods, if we were THAT, we'd be UKIP!]; Teaching English as a foreign language [Maybe some of us can teach some of you? It's something Nigel Farage has yet to master so he really ought to deport himself until such time as he learns to speak English.] Work in nurseries and after-school clubs [see above re police checks]; Care for the elderly and disabled [see above];
    Working as a guide at local historic sites [That is exactly what Cait Reilly was doing before ordered to Poundland] Administrative assistance on local councils and businesses which agree [?????] Manning telephone switchboard at local council offices [???? - will be popular with the current paid staff doing these jobs!] These projects would be ‘additional’ in the sense that they will be in addition to existing baseline local authority services and not supplant existing jobs or employees. [The moon is made of green cheese.] Large scale public projects All Government contracts for public works would require the use of the Workfare scheme, including:
    Rail projects, such as new high-speed rail lines, reopened lines, rail rebuilding works Road projects, such as new by-passes and motorways
    Local transport infrastructure projects; [To build or work on rail/road etc you must pass a special tougher medical, be ablebodied, have all the right qualifications and experience - which real workers take years and spend thousands to attain. How will they feel when laid off to make way for endless hordes of sick people on workfare?] Energy infrastructure projects [Nuclear power stations. And you need a medical and police/MI5/MOD clearance! And if you're against the thing you're ordered to work on?]
    Utility infrastructure projects, such as flood defences, water grids, dams and reservoirs; New hospital projects New school or college building. Prison building. [All heavy manual work. Thousands of ablebodied workers a year are medically retired from getting sick/injured in these jobs. They get insurance, sick pay, compensation, pension. Workfare get none of that.
    Imagine building a prison to house your fellow unemployed who get sanctioned, or building a racist detention centre for immigrants for G4S/Nazis R Us? Again, taking jobs from people who alrady do these things.] [UKIP: racist, fascist, crazy bastards.]

    Workfare. The convenience of having a workforce, without the inconvenience of having to actually pay them.

    • s/survived
      superb post…

    • Oh dear another propaganda post from the conlablibdum party.
      Workfare is an American thing, nothing to do with UKIP, or indeed the UK, and UKIP have not taken on the right wing polices of America unlike the conlablibdums.

      Benefits system under conlablibdum, that is now, Sanction genuine jobseeker claimants to cut the numbers, pay people working at minimum wage top up benefits, because the living wage is higher than the minimum wage, instead of making companies pay their employees properly.

      Blame the sick and disabled for all the problems caused by self serving greedy bankers, and shut down hospitals, tell them they are all idle and must work, even when they are on life support, and demonise them with the continual mantra of saying that hardworking people must be rewarded and that those who can’t shouldn’t be.

      Why would a pupil not doing well at school be a pedophile, it would seem the pedophile ring that apparently was in the government propaganda machine the BBC were not illiterate your ideas mean you probably think all criminals walk about in a hooped shirt a beret and have a bag marked swag on their backs, instead of wearing armani suits.

      In fact everything you are attributing to UKIP are the policies of conlablibdum, and have all been implemented.

    • something survived – Nigel Farage is not popular in Scotland (although neither are the tories) However, unlike the tories, he wants to remove some/all of the powers (such as they are) of the Scottish Parliament.

  45. Should’ve read …plenty pesos to pay ppl…

  46. patriciamcinally@sky.com

    Well done the void for bringing this matter to my attention.

    Email sent today asking them to revisit their decision.

    Thanks

    Ms P McInally

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  48. He actually was a soldier,a fuckin piss poor one,basically a dogs body and he even fucked that up!

  49. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    ………….even Oscar Pistorious gave these fuckers a miss

  50. “FEEL FREE TO RECORD YOUR WCA”

    “More recently it has been accepted that under the Data Protection Act and as we are acting on behalf of the Government we are unable to prevent a client recording an assessment if they wish.”

    – From para 3.1 of Atos’ report of November 2010

  51. Are, trainieeships disguised workfare ?? and, I have noticed from the last couple of sign ons at Jobcentre that my advisor keeps bringing up the words work experience. It’s genuinely stressing me out, I have no confidence, no self esteem, and I have insomnia :(

  52. bam
    you’ll be answered in the morning (sat) at 11am (subject to pc reliability of course)…now try to get some rest…

  53. Landless Peasant

    @ bamboozled

    Yes, in my view so-called Traineeships are indeed Workfare in disguise. If they do ever send you on any “work experience” just continually drop/break everything and make a fumbling clumsy balls-up of whatever crap job you’re meant to be doing. That’s my advice.

  54. Pretty much, for young people without many qualifications. As they appear to be the easiest to bully/exploit. Many are unhappily willing due to no confidence or just complete suckers.

  55. @ bamboozled – I agree with Landless Peasant. I think traineeships are a poorly disguised form of workfare, one step below apprenticeships, ie preparing you to be an apprentice, as if anybody needed to be prepared to be an apprentice, particularly someone who has already done proper work. If your advisor goes on about it, you could always point out that unlike some others you actually have proper work experience, which surely is better than any unpaid experience. I suffer from insomnia sometimes, but not as bad as you are describing. I’m just more of a natural night-time person and it’s sometimes a struggle to get up in mornings. You could try cutting down on coffee and tea, and I found that when I was working at the call centre and doing assorted shifts, I was able to get to sleep and also get up very easily when I cut out chocolate completely. Unfortunately I was unable to cut out chocolate completely for more than about a month. Your insomnia may be a symptom of depression though. Maybe you could ask the doctor to sign you off and claim ESA for a while, although others on here will know more about that than me.

  56. bam
    sorry, i’m a bit early with my response i needed time to consider it, and hoped that you would be reassured that you would get 1, in fact you have had several, as i suspected you might….you sound exhausted by all of the pressure you have been suffering of late….i really don’t know how to remove the weight of oppression we/you are (all) facing from your shoulders, quickly….it seems to me that you are taking it, taking their crap, trying very hard to get it right, and they want more, more, more, from you and “it” is getting bottled up….you’ll need to learn to say no! more, and i get the feeling that this is what you find very hard to do? …imo you need to slowly release this pressure imposed on you and find some time for YOU…it may be that esa is a way for you to do that, for now, as the pressure is making you suffer…just to give yourself a break from the daily grind, esa is also very intense, but not as intense as jsa all the time…primarily it sounds like you need respite, just some time to free yourself from the shackles of jsa, there are not quick solutions as this has slowly crept up on you, esa is a different set of shackles, but is preferable to jsa…depression is always caused by oppression…being dumped on…there are no fcuking jobs, but they try to create the impression that there are, which causes everyone great confusion, for a while…

  57. Reminds me of a TV program i watched the other night about the miners strike. Did you watch it OBD? What we’re suffering now is traced directly back to the seeds of destruction that were sown in that era.

    In came the “i don’t give a toss, i’m alright!” attitude. In came the every person for themselves attitude. in came the destruction of working class unity and solidarity. In came scabbing against your mates and your own kind. In came walking across a picket line when the rest of your mates were suffering from hunger but prepared to stick it out till the end.

    Out went community, friendship, comradeship and in came mistrust, selfishness, hatred, malice and greed. And it can all be traced directly back to those years. The Labour party stand condemned, they wouldn’t come out hard in favor of the miners but were led by a gutless leader prepared to see the NUM be defeated.

    That was a watershed in all our history’s. The unions were broken and the working class divided. That was the plan and they succeeded..

  58. raining
    i have no tv…but yes i do clearly remember the 1984 miners strike, and have often commented on the way social cohesion was deliberately and callously destroyed by thatcher et al…i’ve even seen “billy elliot”, several times, as well….other films of that era are also available….the police goading the miners with their wage slips etc etc…now the same communities are being blamed for being unemployment, and i remember very clearly thatchers reply to, “but what will they do for jobs and money?” “give ‘em benefits.” she replied…
    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/memories-miners-strike-there-people-6802636

  59. TV Licensing Enforcement

    ;-)

  60. Yes not living in a mining town i never saw the full horror of it but many of those towns, if not all, never recovered. A town where everyone was dependent on the pit. From the miners themselves to all the small shops and business’s who earnt their living selling their products to the miners and their families. All wiped out and for an ideology, that’s what it was, and also for spite as the NUM had brought down the Heath government. This was Thatcher getting her own back in her evil demonic way and laying the groundwork for the UK to become the nasty and selfish country it is today.

  61. Obi Wan Kenobi

    Raining:

    Well said, forget the wicked witch, set your sights on Cameron – not that he could give a fuck either!

  62. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    “WHAT A SAD BASTARD, THE QUEEN IS”

    ………………just reading the mirror and the story about the wrinkly old cow with more bedrooms than a hotel……

    Apparently, her majesty, has reportedly said that she is concerned about the growing number of poor people, going on to say that poor people and their problems don’t get reported enough!

    ………..spit out that lump of venison, wipe the opulence from the lenses of your rose tinted spectacles, place your diamond studded tiara on the Louis 14th sideboard and walk just 400 yards to the nearest foodbank………..

    Yes, the fucking foodbank you have created by giving royal assent to the welfare reform acts……………

    As a monarch, the custodian of your subjects, you are nothing but a fucking disgrace abusing your privilege to sponge off the state.

    ………….you will never get to see the poor whilst hiding behind your luxurious drapes or unveiling plaques to yourself………

    Get off your fat arse and come face to face with the peasants and plebs that you helped create.

    Sympathy for the poor! Don’t make me fucking laugh!

    ……………..those fucking corgi’s are eating better than most of your oppressed minions, the very people who look up to you yet deserve better.

    ……………..ask Iain Duncan Smith what the latest mortality rates are from the welfare reforms?

    or bury your head in your ermine collars and pretend all is ok………….

  63. Obi: True, every time i see that idiot on the telly spouting his garbage i feel like puking. Especially his voice, he’s got one of those plummy toffee nosed voices that make you want to vomit uncontrollably.

  64. Yeah why won’t they release the data about the amount of people that have died after getting found fit for work by ATOS?

    Got something to hide?

    I bet the figures are so high it would be devastating if the public knew the full extent of it.

  65. Madge, moaning about the plight of the poor not being reported enough?

    It was the royal moaning Minnie herself who signed off the Welfare Reform Act without any hesitation or questioning.

    Repulsive hypocrite.

  66. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    THE COFFINS KEEP ON COMING,
    ATOS DID IT’S BEST,
    TO CHEAT OUR WEAK DISABLED,
    AND LAY THEM DOWN TO REST.

    YET WORKS AND PENSIONS WORKERS,
    APPLIED THE CLAIMANT CUTS,
    AND PRETEND THE DEATHS AREN’T HAPPENING,
    AND SHOW THEIR LACK OF GUTS.

    YET MURDER IS A CRIME,
    WE’VE SEEN THEM ALL COMMIT,
    ON THE FRAILEST IN SOCIETY,
    THEY UNLEASHED THEIR EVIL SHIT.

    KEEP LOOKING RIGHT BEHIND YOU,
    YOUR SINS WON’T GO AWAY,
    CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY,
    FOREVER HERE TO STAY.

    WE ONLY FOLLOWED ORDERS,
    IS NO EXCUSE TO KILL.
    TAKING LIVES AT RANDOM,
    TO EASE THE WELFARE BILL.

    THE NOOSE OF TRUTH IS TIGHTENING,
    THUS, ONLY TIME WILL TELL
    TO CHOKE THE LIFEBLOOD FROM YOU,
    FOR THOSE, YOU DAMNED TO HELL………….

  67. Geoff look up the page to the link to a daily record story i want you to read. I posted it and it ended up further up the page. I thought it would have been after your poem.

  68. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    Raining, evil has no bounds, every death a price worth paying for the private health insurance lobbyists pulling the government strings.
    Vile by name and vile by nature, like the nazi extermination unit, the PCS UNION……………………

  69. raining
    read it….as if his fathers death is the legitimate consequence of welfare reform, as if it is collateral damage…ie it’s welfare reform what do you expect…?

  70. Well the coalition with the labour party has adopted 1930’s German policies regarding the disabled sick and needy, the dap has albeit macht frei above its doorways.

  71. Yes, impersonal, cold, lacking in humanity and describing the situation as if there’s not even a human being behind it. What these mosters forget is these were people not statistics.

  72. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN,
    NEITHER THE DWP OR PCS CAN STATE, IN COURT, THAT THEY WERE UNAWARE THAT THE POLICY’S THEY FOLLOWED, ENDED UP COSTING CLAIMANTS LIVES…………………………………….

    IT IS SO WELL DOCUMENTED THAT THEY HAVE BACKED THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER…………….

    CORPORATE MANSLAUGHTER, MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS MURDER, HOWEVER ADMINISTERED, IS UNFORGIVABLE AND SHOULD CARRY THE MAXIMUM SENTENCE…………………

    A SANCTION OF IMPRISONMENT………….

  73. I agree Geoff hiding behind a position in a department doesn’t or shouldn’t make these people immune from prosecution. They hide in their departments and the blame is switched to someone else. It’s always someone else that made the decision not them.

    They know their policies are going to cost lives. If someone has no money they can’t eat and they die. They get evicted out on to the street and die of exposure due to the cold.

    How can they refute that they know that’s the consequences of their policies of stripping people of all their benefits?

  74. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    David Moynagh says:
    March 15, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    The number of sick and disabled people driven to utter despair and suicide by Cameron and Iain Duncan Smith does warrant investigation for crimes against humanity. If like me, you wish to see justice, then please write to The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights at… CRPD Secretariat, UNOG-OHCHR,CH-1211, Geneva 10, Switzerland. You will be helping to stop some poor soul being driven to suicide. It MUST stop.

  75. GEOFF REYNOLDS

    WHO THE FUCK, GAVE THIS GOVERNMENT THE RIGHT TO SQUANDER MONEY, STOLEN FROM THE POOR AND DISABLED, TO BUILD A STATE OF THE ART, HIGH SPEED RAIL LINK?

    WHAT GOOD IS A ROAD TO NOWHERE AND WHO WANTS TO KNOCK A COUPLE OF MINUTES OFF A RAIL JOURNEY?

    IF THIS ISSUE WAS PUT TO A REFERENDUM THE ISSUE WOULD GET KICKED INTO TOUCH.

    I CAN’T EVEN AFFORD THE RAIL PRICES AS THEY STAND AT THE MOMENT, SO WHAT BENEFIT WILL IT BE TO THOSE LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LINE?
    NONE WHATSOEVER!

    MAYBE FOREIGN TOURISTS WILL SHOW INTEREST IN NORTHERN SHANTY TOWNS AND THROW BREAD TO THE STARVING…………

    ANOTHER CROCK OF SHIT THOUGHT UP BY THE MULTINATIONALS PULLING THIS GOVERNMENTS STRINGS, OUR MONEY BEING WASTED ON THE BIGGEST WHITE ELEPHANT IN UK HISTORY,,,,,,,

    “HIGH SPEED 2, THE ROAD TO NOWHERE”…………………

    PEOPLE ARE BEING STARVED, EVICTED AND HOMELESS AS A RESULT OF THE SHIT YOU THROW AT THEM EVERYDAY AND YOU WANT TO CREATE A GLOSSY RAILWAY………………..

    GET A FUCKING LIFE YOU BUNCH OF IDIOTS………………

  76. something survived...

    Still not entirely sure which one you mean, as they’re all over the place.
    IDS, Farage, Shapps, Gove… Why can’t they merge it all into one big monster for us to have a chance to shoot it?

  77. See the apprentice vacancy i posted. it should be at the bottom here but it’s a ways up the page. Another crowd trying it on with this apprentice thing.

    Now that should be illegal in any civilized society.

  78. Because Farage is not responsible for the state of the welfare system, you should add Osborne milliband Clegg and IDS to your target practice group though, because they certainly are.

  79. I though this was only legal if part of Govt program? Well….that’s it. I’m gonna boycott WHS Smith. They’ve got plenty pesos to pat pl. The Jerks! I already don’t go to M&S.

  80. I know, that’s pretty sad really to see that. Couldn’t believe it myself. Things are getting worse. But hey! look on the bright side they get a certificate when they finish!

    Just bad news all round this whole attitude is.

    Pay your bloody staff!!!!

  81. Obi Wan Kenobi

    Yeah – a Mickey Mouse Certificate! – not a recognised one.

  82. I read one the other day where they wanted the person to do night shifts. Can you believe the cheek of that? and the insensitivity. All for JSA of course.

    In the real world of paid employment a night shift is paid at a higher rate. I think it’s time and a half or something like that.

    These crooks are wanting people to work a NS for their dole.

    And you thought you’d heard it all!!!

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