We are all Jessies!

The right is claiming victory in the Jesse Macbeth saga with unbearable smugness. Ignoring the continued lies, smears and disinformation that drips daily from the hands of republican loving, so-called news outlets. The right is now acting with a moral indignation derived from years of covering their eyes and crossing their fingers when spreading their own packs of lies.

Having said that it looks very much like our Jesse was not in the US Rangers or possibly even in the military. This is a direct quote given apparantly by Army spokesman John Boyce

“Initial research by the U.S. Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg shows no Soldier with the name of Jesse Macbeth having ever been assigned to the Special Forces or the Army Rangers — which are, in fact, two separate disciplines. This appears to be some sort of hoax. No Soldier by that name at Fort Lewis to our knowledge, in the past, either. Of course, the line about “go into the Army or go to jail” is vintage TV script not heard since the 1960s. There are also numerous wear and appearance issues with the Soldier’s uniform — a mix of foreign uniforms with the sleeves rolled up like a Marine and a badly floppy tan beret worn like a pastry chef. Of course, the allegations of war crimes are vague, as are the awards the Soldier allegedly received.” source

The film was made by Pepperspray production, an indepedant media outlet, with close affiliations to indymedia. The organisation generally would be regarded as a legitimate source, and both them and indymedia in the US seem to have remained quiet on the issue. Jessie has also been active with the anti-war group Iraq Veterans Against War (IVAW.net) although there is no medntion of him or this video on their website.

So the question is who is Jesse Macbeth, a low grade prankster, a delusional misfit, a wannabe actor or a disinfomation op, created by the anti-war left or the reactionary right, to discredit the war or discredit the IVAW respectively.

Or perhaps he is for real .. tho’ it looks ever more doubtful, many leftwing blogs and news organisation are still carrying the video as genuine. An air of uncharacteristic bashfulness seems to have descended on many left wing commentators who supported Jesse however, a few seem to be battling it out but without any real confidence or conviction.

In any event it should be remembered that whilst many of Jesse’s claims were outlandish many of the things he speaks of almost certainly are being carried out right now and in our name. If this video can have any positive effect at all it will be to remind people that’s wars aren’t pretty, children and innocents get killed and that to make the decision to go to war is one of the gravest decisions that can be made …

… and should not be made on the back of a bunch of half truths, downright lies, and pinch of post 9/11 hysteria added to a shedload of Fox News propaganda.

the video is now available on google


the void says give the man an oscar. Whilst the whole stunt is maybe of dubious morality, not particularly helping anti-war activists or pro-war hawks he gives a fine performance. The slight stutter, not bad enough to affect the fluency of his tale, but enough to give a veneer of vulnerability is a genius touch. This man needs his own TV show, along with another wasted talent just waiting for the right vehicle … Saddam Hussein! As a politician a bastard granted, but what a performer, he could be the next Jerry Springer and Jesse could be his first guest. Do I get a job at Fox yet?

STOP PRESS STOP PRESS a message appeared on the peacefilms.org website stating that due to a request from Iraq Veterans Against War the video had been removed. The video and the comments section now appears inaccessible

About these ads

32 responses to “We are all Jessies!

  1. “In any event it should be remembered that whilst many of Jesse’s claims were outlandish many of the things he speaks of almost certainly are being carried out right now and in our name. If this video can have any positive effect at all it will be to remind people that’s wars aren’t pretty, children and innocents get killed and that to make the decision to go to war is one of the gravest decisions that can be made …

    … and should not be made on the back of a bunch of half truths, downright lies, and pinch of post 9/11 hysteria added to a shedload of Fox News propaganda.”

    Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    The story is a lie, a complete hoax …. but it shows the truth?

    And the OTHER GUYS are the liars?

    Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    Gotta love the “reality based” moonbats. This is just priceless.

    Read your post again. Slowly. Have an adult help. See if you can catch all the ironies, hypocrisies, and self-parodies.

    “The videos fake … but it reminds if the truth …”

    Self-parody at its finest. No conservative making fun of liberals could top this post for sheer comedic value.

  2. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha

    Seriously – put a warning on this stuff. You’re KILLING me. Read this part:

    “Ignoring the continued lies, smears and disinformation that drips daily from the hands of republican loving, so-called news outlets. The right is now acting with a moral indignation derived from years of covering their eyes and crossing their fingers when spreading their own packs of lies.”

    Ignore the continued lies! (The fake Jessie al-Macbeth, the fake TANG memoes, the fake Karl Rove indictment …)

    “crossing their fingers and spreading a pack of lies …!” (The fake Jessie al-Macbeth, the fake TANG memoes, the fake Karl Rove indictment …)

    C’mon. Fess up. This is a far right satire site, isn’t it?

    No way on Earth you’re saying any of the above with a straight face.

    Well done, sir. Seriously. Excellent, excellent satire.

  3. “but it shows the truth?”

    err yeah man, theres like a war or something happening in iraq. anyway i heard some people died or something dude

  4. Yeah, in the same way that Star Wars “shows the truth”, since I heard that there actually is a galaxy far, far away. In fact, there are a _bunch_ of far away galaxies! Haliburton!

  5. Son Of The Godfather

    WOW!

    The owner of this blog is a master of parody! Well done on trying to mimic an actual moonbat site…

    I was almost fooled into believing it WAS a lefty site (LOL), but could you imagine if these leftards actually believed some of these things!

    Again, WOW. Approaching scrappleface level!

  6. i don’t think this is funny at all. void is actually advancing something he knows to be a lie. this means he litterally does not care about truth. he knows that all he has to do is to keep repeating this lie longer than we stick around to correct it. and this is the dominant mentality of the social justice movement.

    such people cannot be trusted to teach children, contribute to the lawmaking process or gather and present news.

  7. you’re all such fuckwits

    im not advancing a lie at all, im quite clear what i think about the legitimacy of the video.

    i only comment that some of what he says in the video is an accurate description of what sometimes goes down in modern warfare

    at least thats what all the squaddies ive ever known whove served in active combat have told me

    much as some on the left felt delight at the release of the video, you guys on the right feel equal delight at its debunking

    i made it quite clear, i dont think its helped anyone, youre the ones who seem to be enjoying it so much

  8. It’s fake…but reminds of the truth. Has there ever been a less considered, more vacuous statement than this?

    Do you even care about FACTS, sunshine?

    It reflects the truth in the same way that 24 does – it’s FICTION, in other words. The OPPOSITE of facts.

    You lot would need to be invented if you didn’t already exist.

    Nutcake.

  9. im not sure youre paying attention

    you are aware that there is is war happening in iraq?

    you are aware that probably over one hundred thousand civillians have died

    how do you think they died?

    food poisoning?

  10. void, I’m a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. I’ve got the DD-214 to prove it.

    I’ve never heard anything as outrageous as what Mr. MacBeth (falsely) claims to have experienced. Yes, some incidents have occurred where civilians have been mistakenly killed. There have even been some documented cases of deliberate murder.

    But these are rare exceptions. What is described in the debunked video is deliberate wholesale slaughter. If anything like this has happened in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else that the U.S. military is present, we need to know about it — because this sort of thing is unacceptable, and must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Having said that, I haven’t seen any evidence of it. So if you’ve got something — if your “squaddies” have told you stories, let’s see some testimony.

    But if you’re just making this stuff up, you are defaming the entire U.S. military. And I won’t put up with that. This is my family you’re talking about — my brothers and sisters. And if you think the rest of us are going to sit by quietly while you drag our reputation through the mud, you better think again.

    You got evidence of war crimes? Let’s see it. Otherwise, you’re just spreading malicious gossip and rumors.

  11. Looks like Jesse had a name change in 1986 (when he was two years old) — birth name is Jesse Adam AL-ZAID:

    (Source: Pima County [Arizona] Superior Court records)
    http://www.cosc.co.pima.az.us/record_search

    Search for Case # C234837

    Jesse is also wanted in Washington State:
    http://www.co.pierce.wa.us/cfapps/linx/calendar/GetCriminalCase.cfm?cause_num=06-1-01994-8

  12. Facts matter, son.

    When you grow up and get over the immature liberalism, you’ll get it.

    For now … ouch! Getting spanked this bad on your blog must suck.

    Leave this poor sap alone. He can mumble his “hey, stuff like that may happen somewhere at some point so who cares if its fake” argument as he drools in a corner.

    Facts matter, kid.

  13. keen_observer

    Void, are you aware that the ‘100,000 civilians killed’ claim has also been long debunked as misinformed leftist propaganda? Offering unsubstantiated information in support of erroneous claims is doubly misled…

  14. Harry Mallory

    I gotta admit I got suckered in too!

    To this website that is. I thought this was a parody lefty blog and I was laughing along with it!

    “The right is claiming victory in the Jesse Macbeth saga with unbearable smugness. Ignoring the continued lies, smears and disinformation that drips daily from the hands of republican loving, so-called news outlets. The right is now acting with a moral indignation derived from years of covering their eyes and crossing their fingers when spreading their own packs of lies.”

    I thought that was good stuff, exactly what a moonbat would be expected to say, especially since so far, its always been the left who’s been caught perpetrating a fraud in all too many instances.

    Now I find its another genuine moonbat page. {SIGH}

    Obviously, any idiot can start one of these.

  15. “Facts matter, son.”

    you are jack nicholson from a few good men and i claim my five pounds

    “Getting spanked this bad on your blog must suck.”

    this is nothing, have a look round

    the 100,000 figure has been contested but its far from a done deal

    now go back and read the piece again, from the start i said that jesse’s video could be dodgy and nowhere do i endorse it

    the comment youve all jumped on was to point out that the shock of many on hearing that video was perhaps because it brought home the brutality of what war is

    there may well be shock troops acting in the way jesse describes, there may well not be, none of us can say for sure

    what we can be sure about is the continual bombing of civillian areas, abu ghraib, DU and the murders and stories of abuse we have heard

    i guess to those mourning the dead it matters little whether they came through your front door or carpet bombed your village, the end results the same

    we can argue figures, but the fact is tens of thousands at least of civillians have died, many of them women and children

    im sorry smash, you must have been through hell, but that is wholesale slaughter … thats not a moral judgement .. thats war

    we’re no pacifists here, sometimes youve gotta fight, but people should be aware of what that means, not through dodgy videos, but through clear and accurate reporting and a willingness to face up to the facts

    many watch the war through fox news and see little of the consequences for ordinary iraqis, and little of the actual realities of what goes on

    this is true of the left as well, which is why people were so shocked by jesses video

    war is horrific, innocents die in horrific circumstances

    thats why it should always be a last resort …

    in the case it wasnt, your president sold you a dud

    in comparison to the myth of weapons of mass destruction id say that video pales into insignificance

    cos lets face it whos really been responsible for the deaths of so many US servicemen

  16. It seems, void, that you tried to be impartial in your blog, but you failed miserably.

    Do you know what gave you away? I’ll tell you.

    Whenever I hear or read someone referring to G.W.Bush as “your” President, I know immediately what that means.

    It means that person is anti-American. They do not accept, not only our leader, but the whole way this country is run; capitalism.

    They push to spread their socialistic agenda. But, they are spitting into the wind, because all their propaganda and lies, no matter how well veiled, will be exposed, and they will fail. There is nothing wrong with change for the better in this country, but if a person chooses to do it via smears, lies, and exaggerations, without pride in their country, I suggest they don’t belong in *our* country…lead by *our* President.

    In addition, before you tell us what goes on in war, why don’t you don a pair of boots and tell us first-hand what goes on in the battlefield? Then you might not be so quick to criticize *our* troops.

  17. The Conservative UAW Guy

    void – the space, or pertaining to the space, between rabid leftist ears.

    Hey! Wanna trade sidebar links?
    Let me know.

    Funny stuff, void!
    Keep up the great work.

  18. Void,

    You say that nowhere do you endorse this video, bull, your piece is entitled “We Are All Jessies”. Meaning you stand with Jessie, meaning you endorse Jessie, meaning you endorse his video. Get a clue. You say, “there may well be shock troops acting in the way jesse describes, there may well not be, none of us can say for sure” If you can’t say for sure than why are you saying at all? Do you not realize that foreign news outlets are using this FAKE video as we speak to tell the Islamofacists what we’ve “done” which will surely result in more American death?! I mean, I have an inkling that you are seriously mentally deficient, but I can’t say for sure, so I wouldn’t just throw that out there would I? Well I guess I would, after all, you and your ilk ARE all Jessies…lying, fabricating, stammering idiots.

  19. ‘They do not accept, not only our leader, but the whole way this country is run; capitalism.’

    got it in one, although i thought your country was largely run by borrowing money from the chinese on the never never, fuck have you guys got a fall coming

    i didnt criticie your troops i criticised your government, can you not tell the difference, i mean i know that you guys dont get much of an education but im sure at least some of you can read

    by the way d hoggs, do a bit or research you fucking dipstick, in the north of england and scotland jessie is a slang word meaning dipstick, fool, idiot, or maybe you know that and failed to get the irony

    stick to fox im sure its more your level

    it was a dig at the left, not the right

  20. Unfortunately moron, jessie in the way you thought you were using it, would be spelled with a lower case J. Jessie with an upper case J is a proper name, but I guess you don’t get much of an education now do you now. Stick to falling for absolutely ridiculous claims by boys in army costumes and spreading them all over the web as fact, I’m sure it’s more your level.

  21. I would like to examine the “damage” we have caused to the Iraqi people. Let’s say that 20,000 Iraqi’s died as a direct result of our invasion. Hell, let’s double it to 40,000 to account for those murdered so far by fanatic Muslim terrorists, who excuse their viscious acts as a necessary response to the infidel invasion. Then tack on another 20,000 just to be “fair” with the numbers. That’s 60,000 deaths due to our invasion.

    Now compare this figure to UNICEF’s estimate of 500,000 people (mostly children) who died from the indirect results of the UN sanctions against Saddam Hussein’s dictatorship.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions

    Now include one million casualties in the Iran/Iraq war, started by Saddam, and “The longest conventional war in the 20th century.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_iraq_war

    Top it off with the known use by Saddam of chemical weapons against helpless Iraqi civilians (women and children hardest hit) and those directly humiliated, brutalized, raped, tortured, murdered, and tossed in mass graves, 270 of which have been discovered so far, holding an estimated 300,000 to 400,000 bodies.

    http://www.cpa-iraq.org/transcripts/20040319_Natsios_MGs.html

    Many of those murdered were Shias from the delta area, which was also eradicated as a wetland by order of Saddam, to deprive those rebellious Shias of their ancient homeland. That delta was one of the most ecologically important areas in the entire middle-east, and this along with those oil well fires constitutes a huge enviromental crime. So Saddam destroyed not just millions of innocents, but who knows how many waterbirds, alligators, fish, etc.

    Now compare all this to the loss of 60,000 dead in a war to end the ongoing horror. By the way, 60,000 dead is a pretty skimpy figure by the standards of previous wars of liberation.

    I put it to you that we didn’t START the bleeding in Iraq, we’re STAUNCHING it. Just ask the Kurds and what’s left of the swamp Shias. BTW, the war is over, and we are now in the “clean up” phase, hunting down and exterminating the killer-fanatics, and training the locals to do the job themselves. Yes, people are still dying in this task, just as police officers are killed every day, but it has to be done.

    It’s over, buddy, get used to it. Move on.

  22. “Now include one million casualties in the Iran/Iraq war, started by Saddam”

    all carried out with arms sales and support from the west

    im no supporter of saddam, he was a murdering bastard, but the fact is that by the time the troops went in this time he was a lame duck, well in his cage and growing older by the day

    the human rights abuses and genocide you speak of were horrific, but also ten or more years ago

    why punish the iraqi people for the past crimes of a paper tiger leader

    and more importantly why launch a full scale attack on a volatile state with seemingly no thought as to what would happen once the tanks rolled into baghdad

    since when did the us give a fuck about human rights anywhere else

    including its own prisons

    or those in sudan whose pharmaceutical supplies were destroyed resulting in the death of thousands, or in chile when a democratic government was deposed, or in mexico right now, or the millions working worldwide on slave wages to prop up starbucks and nike in an attempt to rescue youre failing debt ridden economy

    much like me you live in a country built on imperialism and genocide, and much like the uk you have yet to realise the error of your ways

    you wonder why the world despises you so much

    why do you think america is so hated the world over, perhaps everyone else in wrong and you and your neo-con mates are actually leading us to salvation

    id say its more likely youre leading yourselves down the road to hell

    you have one of the highest murder rates in the world, your pretty much the only country that executes juveniles, you have mass poverty that belies your obsecene wealth, most of you never reach old age without dropping dead from a heart attack because you cant even work out how to feed yourselves properly, your culture is inane and vacuous, in fact only black america can claim to have come up with anything of interest or orginality in the last 50 years, your children take shotguns into schools to blow there class mates away, you cant even provide for your own people, you continue to act in an irresponsible and blind way to the environment and every brick, building and car is owned by the banks or the chinese

    america is bankrupt, morally and financially, the last roar of the dragon is always the loudest

    the best thing you guys could do right now is say sorry and start trying to make amends, much as britain had to do not long ago

    your seconds away from becoming the third world nation you seem to despise so much

    the tragedy is everyone the world over can see it coming but you

  23. Quote:
    “you have one of the highest murder rates in the world, your pretty much the only country that executes juveniles, you have mass poverty that belies your obsecene wealth, most of you never reach old age without dropping dead from a heart attack because you cant even work out how to feed yourselves properly, your culture is inane and vacuous, in fact only black america can claim to have come up with anything of interest or orginality in the last 50 years, your children take shotguns into schools to blow there class mates away, you cant even provide for your own people, you continue to act in an irresponsible and blind way to the environment and every brick, building and car is owned by the banks or the chinese.”

    For the murder rate go here:

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_percap

    The US is #24, just 2 spots ahead of peaceful and mostly gunless India. Mexico with strict gun control and no capital punishment is #6 and has 3 times the rate the US has.

    Mass poverty? Where? Doesn’t it depend on your definition of poverty? Compared to most people in China or India, the typical US inner-city tenement dweller is living pretty good, and the potiential for advancement in the US is far higher than in those countries. If this is not so, then why are so many Mexicans sneaking in?

    Most never reach old age? Hardly, but it’s true most Americans eat too much junk food. Your point?

    Our culture is inane and vacuous? That’s true of most every culture and don’t kid yourself. All we ever see from the other cultures is their best, while we are deluged by ours in toto, so naturally it looks bad. However, live in another land and you will see the opposite effect.

    Black culture has done a lot to enrich the US, and so has the Mexican culture, the Asian cultures, the Arabic cultures, and yes, even the Western European cultures. Why give Blacks all the credit? What kind of a snob are you?

    Killings in the schools? In a nation of over 300,000,000,000 people, how many are guilty of a school shooting? Five? How does that equal “..your children take shotguns into schools to blow their class mates away..”? Our children? ALL of them? Who are you to make such a sweeping generalization?

    “..you cant even provide for your own people..” Huh? Aren’t able-bodied people supposed to fend for themselves? Or don’t you buy that concept? Besides, more money gets transferred from rich to poor in the US than anywhere else in the world, and the freebie-dependent class just keeps on getting bigger. Could there be a connection?

    The environment? True, it was getting pretty dirty in some spots decades ago, but now we are a model to the world of how technology need not destroy a clean environment. Unfortunately the developing countries have a ways to go to catch up, and they are not doing so good right now.

    America is bankrupt? Care to provide some raw data to back that up? You won’t find anything that I can’t punch huge holes in, because your case does not exist, at least financially. On morals we could have a long debate. I bet we agree that American morals are pretty bad, but we’ll be arguing from diametrically opposite points.

    One more thing. While plenty of people in the world hate the US, they tend to be people like you, and they tend to have the loudest voices as far as our old media are concerned. The bulk are at worst indifferent, or quite often so admiring that they try hard to emigrate here.

    I deal with intelligent people around the world every day, from every background. There are Indians, Japanese, Brazilians, Mexicans, Kosovars, Spaniards, Italians, Russians, you name it. I get no sense at all from them that they bear animosity towards the US, altho some do disagree with the the Iraq war policy.

    I know that it all seems very black and white to you right now, but things are not always as they seem. I was like you once, and it took me a very long time to even begin to understand the ways I was being manipulated. I’m not putting down everything you say, the US has done many wrong things. All nations have their problems.

    You seem to require perfection, and you will never get it in this world. America needs people like you to keep her honest and point out failures, but an all-encompassing hatred of one’s country is no way to make improvements.

  24. The essence, I think, of a free press is this – the truth gets out, not always the first time, but eventually, by free discussion (a notion I got from journalist Walter Lippman).

    The beauty of the Internet is that mistakes, errors, misinformation, deliberate lying and so on get caught swiftly.

    I appreciate your moral courage, void.

  25. Mr. Macbeth’s theatrical performance makes me wonder if he is a paid- KarlRovian tool, whose purpose is to discredit all who return home from the Bush-Cheney wars of economic conquest and speak the truth about their experiences. Not that the ploy works, but the pattern is familiar.

  26. “KarlRovian tool”?

    Let’s assume that’s true, adn this whole deal was a guided missile into the heart of the anti-war movement. Tell me, who bought Macbeth’s speil, hook line and sinker, hmmmm? The slightest amount of fact checking would have avoided this damage to the cause, but that didn’t happen.

    The simple fact is that when a group of people want to believe something very badly and the facts just aren’t there, others will find a way to “accomodate” them. The issue is not who fed them the lie, it’s their pathetic willingness to accept lies that fit their preconceptions.

    We are all guilty of that on occasion, but the oft-repeated exposure of such behavior on the part of the left should indicate that a more rigourous treatment of “reality” is needed.

    BTW, I must admit that Void’s demonstrated willingness to openly stand up to the heavy criticsm earlier in the thread is the only reason I bothered to get involved at all. Keep it up, Void.

  27. aw thanks guys

    big john, you make some valid points, and the last comment i made was just republican-baiting made when i was perhaps slightly the worse for wear

    having said that, you quote that the US has the 24th highest murder rate in the world, fair enough although many of the countries listed above are cirtually in a state of civil war

    not only that but 24th out of all the countries in the world is hardly an enviable achievement for a nation that would presume to call itself one of the most civilised and developed

    whilst its true high school shootings are a rarity they seem to be alomst unique to the US in the west

    im not from the us but the uk, i would not consider myself anti-american in terms of having any prejudice towards the people of the us, but to me the current us government epitomises the current capital system and serves as a warning as to there europe and the rest of the world may be heading

    i look to american society from outside, and all i see is a dumbed down, passive population as war with itself and the rest of the world

    and i see signs of the same thing happening here

    the us has a fine libertarian tradition, however what libertarians fail to realise is that whilst (dare i say it) the means of production and the land is held in the hands of the few then we remain in chains

    this is why only anarchy will ever bring true freedom, we need to free ourselves from the tyranny of the dollar, the pound and the euro, as well as those who seek to govern our lives

    thats not to say that that we should not be entitled to food, healthcare, shelter, and that we should not have to work as part of the community to achieve that if we are able

    that said millions of peoples lived wasted in making toys for happy meals, weapons to defend our masters and food that kills is in my opinion a tragic waste of the human experience

    whilst the wealth, both natural and created is held in the hands of a tiny elite this will breed a nation of angry, discontent slaves, whose fear and loathing know no bounds

    whether bombing foreigners, locking people up without trial, state executions or robbing a convenience store this frustration will overspill and often be turned on our neighbours

    the us is a living example of the failure of the capitalist state as much as russia became an example of the failure of the authoritarian hard left

    there’s really only one option left for the world and in time we will get there

    we are all in this together, no-one is illegal, no-one is evil … but collectively we can become so

    when we start looking aftereach other instead of being jealous and angry with each other then the world will begin to heal

    i and firmly believe this planet can get there

    presuming gwb doesnt start ww3

  28. sorry for all the typos in that, am kind of in a rush

    just wanted to add that i do not believe that this was a psy-op to discredit the anti-war movement, but a fantasist who got over his head

    the lack of mainstream media coverage of this story leads me to believe that neither left or right feel that this video has helped, with the left discredited and the right concerned about the impact on troops on the ground

    i think (except for neo-con bloggers) most would just like to see this issue disappear

  29. If socialism and/or anarchy are so great, then why does disaster always seem to follow their occurence? Witness the Soviet Union, Red China, and the current decay going on in ever more socialist Western Europe. A 1% growth rate is nothing to hang your hat on.

    On the other hand, after China embraced even a limited form of capitalism their economy began to spike, and is now at 10% per year! Capitalist India is 6% per year, and the laggardly US is a mere 5.8% for the last quarter.

    You would suggest that most of this growth ends up in the pockets of “The Elite”, and in China that may be true, but they are still dragging their socialist chains. In the US however, that elite includes about half of the population (stock holders), and guess what? That money must be spent SOMEWHERE, and the other half of the population, the “slaves” as you term them, are happy to provide services for that cash, letting said slaves buy fast cars, entertainment systems, computers, big houses, and efficient local police forces. Maybe they can’t get that second vacation home (darn!) but hey, they aren’t the “elite,” right? They’ll just have to suffer with one house, and like it!

    Even the “poor” do pretty well, living a lot like the middle class elsewhere, or even the upper class of some countries.

    If this is slavery, let’s have some more! Okay, I DON’T own a yacht or a beach house in Cape Cod, but I also don’t need a heavily armed security force around me and my children at all times.

    Your error is to focus on the super-rich and compare everything to them. They are an abberation of history, existing only because the bulk of the population is doing extremely well themselves. Focus instead on the average Joe, who lives far better than the average Jose or Yosef or Johann in other countries do. I’m not rich by any means (hah!), and yet I probably live better than a lot of the “elites” in the poorer countries.

    And unlike most other countries, literally anyone in the US really can rise to the top of the heap via merit and hard work. There are no laws to stop them and the system is NOT rigged against them, despite the left-wing propaganda you may see. Yes, it is hard, but millions of immigrants who arrived here with nothing are now rich movers and shakers, or at least their children are.

    As for anarchy, I compare it to a super-saturated solution. Just as a tiny seed crystal dropped in that solution will grow explosively and absorb all available mineral, a small but united group of bullies can easily subsume the population of an anarchy thru intimidation and recruitment into their organization. Again witness the Soviet Union.

    Anarchy is a meta-stable system, meaning that the slightest disturbance will cause a rapidly increasing slide toward a more stable arrangement. Unfortunately the lowest and most stable system is dictatorship, which is the system people have lived under for nearly all of civilization’s history. Only modern communications have enabled people to network sufficiently well to form counterforces against the usual condition of dictatorship.

    Your attempt to create anarchy would really mess up that average Joe’s life in the name of bringing down those hated super-rich. Tsk.

    You say we in the US are at war with ourselves, but that is incorrect, at least so far. It’s called “debate” when there is no shooting going on, so please don’t misuse the King’s English, okay? Certainly the debate is quite energetic right now, but that’s how it is in a free society. Better flying insults than flying bullets, eh?

    Now if you want to argue that America’s rich lifestyle is making us soft and decadent, and we will eventually implode like an overripe fruit, then you may possibly be correct. That certainly is the Islamo-fascist viewpoint anyway. But I’m betting that it’s really those twisted homicidal control-freaks who are doomed to oblivion, not the capitalist democracies (like Iraq) that they hate so much.

  30. If socialism and/or anarchy are so great, then why does disaster always seem to follow their occurence? Witness the Soviet Union, Red China, and the current decay going on in ever more socialist Western Europe. A 1% growth rate is nothing to hang your hat on.

    On the other hand, after China embraced even a limited form of capitalism their economy began to spike, and is now at 10% per year! Capitalist India is 6% per year, and the laggardly US is a mere 5.8% for the last quarter.

    You would suggest that most of this growth ends up in the pockets of “The Elite”, and in China that may be true, but they are still dragging their socialist chains. In the US however, that elite includes about half of the population (stock holders), and guess what? That money must be spent SOMEWHERE, and the other half of the population, the “slaves” as you term them, are happy to provide services for that cash, letting said slaves buy fast cars, entertainment systems, computers, big houses, and efficient local police forces. Maybe they can’t get that second vacation home (darn!) but hey, they aren’t the “elite,” right? They’ll just have to suffer with one house, and like it!

    Even the “poor” do pretty well, living a lot like the middle class elsewhere, or even the upper class of some countries.

    If this is slavery, let’s have some more! Okay, I DON’T own a yacht or a beach house in Cape Cod, but I also don’t need a heavily armed security force around me and my children at all times.

    Your error is to focus on the super-rich and compare everything to them. They are an abberation of history, existing only because the bulk of the population is doing extremely well themselves. Focus instead on the average Joe, who lives far better than the average Jose or Yosef or Johann in other countries do. I’m not rich by any means (hah!), and yet I probably live better than a lot of the “elites” in the poorer countries.

    And unlike most other countries, literally anyone in the US really can rise to the top of the heap via merit and hard work. There are no laws to stop them and the system is NOT rigged against them, despite the left-wing propaganda you may see. Yes, it is hard, but millions of immigrants who arrived here with nothing are now rich movers and shakers, or at least their children are.

    As for anarchy, I compare it to a super-saturated solution. Just as a tiny seed crystal dropped in that solution will grow explosively and absorb all available mineral, a small but united group of bullies can easily subsume the population of an anarchy thru intimidation and recruitment into their organization. Again witness the Soviet Union.

    Anarchy is a meta-stable system, meaning that the slightest disturbance will cause a rapidly increasing slide toward a more stable arrangement. Unfortunately the lowest and most stable system is dictatorship, which is the system people have lived under for nearly all of civilization’s history. Only modern communications have enabled people to network sufficiently well to form counterforces against the usual condition of dictatorship.

    Your attempt to create anarchy would really mess up that average Joe’s life in the name of bringing down those hated super-rich. Tsk.

    You say we in the US are at war with ourselves, but that is incorrect, at least so far. It’s called “debate” when there is no shooting going on, so please don’t misuse the King’s English, okay? Certainly the debate is quite energetic right now, but that’s how it is in a free society. Better flying insults than flying bullets, eh?

    Now if you want to argue that America’s rich lifestyle is making us soft and decadent, and we will eventually implode like an overripe fruit, then you may possibly be correct. That certainly is the Islamo-fascist viewpoint anyway. But I’m betting that it’s really those twisted homicidal control-freaks who are doomed to oblivion, not the capitalist democracies (like Iraq) that they hate so much.

  31. Big john sorry its taken me a while been kind of busy working my ass off for peanuts to fund my decadent life of western luxury

    you seem to spectacularly miss my point, im talking about working towards a society where growth doesn’t even matter anymore because everybody’s needs are met, property and land collectivised and used for the benefit of everybody. This does not mean a stalinist approach to private property, just that the fields, the cities, the gas companies and the factories are working towards the commen good not private profit.

    and btw we live on a finite planet, growth cant last forever

    There would need to be a vast redistribution of capital wealth, which would be more than compensated by cultural and social wealth as people begin acting like human beings towards another and the super rich wouldn’t ‘need a heavily armed security force around me and my children at all times.’

    This is an idealist vision and not one myself or my child is likely to see. However by challenging/ignoring authority, by improving my life and those around me as best as i can and by more importantly organising and working towards a freer, fairer society the anarchist revolution becomes personal.

    We are all anarchists! everytime we organise a social event, every teenage rock band that buys a van together, every sunday league football team, any time we make decisions collectively and pool resources we act as anarchists, its the natural human state.

    You claim the most stable system to be dictatorship, i couldn’t disgree more, all dictatorships ultimately fall and fail, the only difference seems to be that the cycle is speeding up. The current US elected dictatorship will also fall, its a question of when not if and it may be sooner than you realise.

    You are correct that in the past anarchist societies ‘a small but united group of bullies can easily subsume the population of an anarchy thru intimidation and recruitment into their organization’ as happened with the russian revolution and the spanish civil war

    however remember that every anarchist society which has established itself has immediately had to go to war due to reactionary attempts to wipe it out. a critical mass will come, and most anarchists have learnt the danger of the authoritarian left through bitter and in some cases brutal experience.

    that said these early flickers of human developed thrived whilst they were able to and sowed seeds which will reach far into the future.

    at best, in these times ait is still possible to live like an anarchist in a dictatorship, we are everywhere and our numbers are rising.

    you also seem to have a confused view of other countries

    ‘And unlike most other countries, literally anyone in the US really can rise to the top of the heap via merit and hard work.’

    the US is hardly unique in this, almost every country in western europe, the capitalist east, australia, most of africa and even much of the middle east this also applies

    and not forgetting south america, look at evo marales and chavez (sorry, guess you probably dont like to think about those guys too much)

  32. Man, this void guy dumb.

    He racist and dumb.

    Hell yeah.

    …. he not realise that only two people speaking to him in whole blog…. ha hah ah ah ah ah ah

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s